I can't speak to any of the others, other than the sx350j, and in that case i do believe you are correct. Albeit, those are at home and I can't verify it. But, in any case I understand the operational reason for doing it that way.I might be wrong about evolve locking-boards. But i know with the other boards you do.
You might want to take that up with Phil then because that isn't true according to the people that made the board. That isn't how you are supposed to run TC.
As to Phil, I've exchanged a few emails with him about tc where the kf4 is concerned. He is a smart dude, and knows his stuff on electronics and has the right outlook that numbers dont lie. I don't vape th same way as he does so his opinions on performance I ignore, but his graphs, charts and the math I find VERY useful.
Lets be honest for a newer vapor or one looking to get started from ego to hobbyist, his reviews would be helpful and as a mouthpiece for the industry, we could do worse. His opinion on gear may be scewed but his assimilation of information is fantastic. Im bias though, his reviews helped me make the switch. Besides, Can you picture the bogan talking to the FDA?
Can you picture the bogan talking to the FDA?
Then you need to re-read the posts then. I am not the one that brought Phil into this. I am the one that knows what ohms lock is for. You are directing this at the wrong person.You see my point though? And I am by no means one to point fingers because as soon as I think I have it all figured out there comes the monkey wrench. I'm just not finding Phil to be much an authority on anything. He's opinionated but not what I consider very technically minded. As for the way YiHi boards function I couldn't tell you. All I know is Evolv actually advises not locking ohms as a matter of habit, but more as a way to counter instability issues with a setup.
Well, I only know him via the personality he wants projected - through his you tube videos.He is actually a gentleman, polite and articulate, and he DOES talk to the 'Strailian equilevant of the FDA.
Then you need to re-read the posts then. I am not the one that brought Phil into this. I am the one that knows what ohms lock is for. You are directing this at the wrong person.
How does the evic do it? And how is with ss?I don't know why this thread turned so Evolve centric, but they don't own the market.
You have to take each mod on a case by case basis.
Some have a user "padlock"... some don't.
Most just auto populate the register and hold that value.
Some use a button press to tell the mod "this is my coil's res".
Some have a New/Same query. I'm seeing more and more of that one.
In my small sample of six, I have combinations of all of the above.
In general then (uh oh), the padlock serves two purposes...
It helps stabilize the TC with dodgy connections, and it allows you to refill a hot tank.
Believe me, even with the padlock unlocked, you would know instantly if your mod used the warm res value next time you fired it.
I have been using TC with ss on the Evic vct and I must say for the price of this mod, it does a great job. You lock in resistance and your off to Vape land. If you change coils to a resistance higher than what was on it, the mod will ask you if it's a new coil. It won't ask if the resistance is lower. It will just read the resistance and then you lock it in. Seemed weird to me but it works oddly enoughHow does the evic do it? And how is with ss?
Believe me, with the padlock unlocked, you would know instantly if your mod used the warm res value next time you fired it.
But they don't.
How does the evic do it? And how is with ss?
You are having a discussion with the wrong poster. Just trying to help you catch up. But if you don't care, feel free to keep quoting people and correcting things that say the same thing you do. At least you know how to quote. That's a plus.Huh? No, cancel that. I really don't care enough to hear more. But I'm glad you know what ohms lock is for, that's a plus.
In general then (uh oh), the padlock serves two purposes...
It helps stabilize the TC with dodgy connections, and it allows you to refill a hot tank.
Believe me, with the padlock unlocked, you would know instantly if your mod used the warm res value next time you fired it.
But they don't.
How does the evic do it? And how is with ss?
Hi man, would you mind PM'ing me the UD SS CSV? I have not tried that one-it could be the answer to my prayers.Dude, so I have a weird idea on what's happening....
Been using SS for tc since I got the dna200 and have been using nothing but the UD 316L, with zero issues at all.
all my coils have been built just like my kanthal. Went through 2 rolls of 24g and a roll of 26g. I opened up a new spool 2 nights ago and now im on my third build with third different atty and its acting hinky.
Can't help but wonder if UD didn't throw out a bad batch or if the did a coca cola move and changed the recipe-bastards.
So are you using contact coils?I only can get 316L to work on my Evic VTC mini single coil, and on my DNA200's.
The wires coefficient is MUCH lower than NI200 or SS, with the Evolv created profiles, my Efusion was rubbish on 316L.
So were my other two.
So I managed to find a CSV thanks to the help of some forum members-but SS is still sub-par for TC compared to NI200 and TI, at least in my case.
I was really wishing it was good. I ordered some extra 316L incase it was the wire I had from a hardware type store causing issue, it was not.
So I know have 3 rolls of SS, 2 316L 26G rolls and a roll of 317L, which I have not managed to find a CSV for that works, the efusion one also does not work correctly.
Even WITH the better Csv file in place, in escribe once it hits temp it is all over the place, jumping up and down.
If anyone knows a good CSV for SS, could you please let me know?
I wanted this wire so I could not get confused, as I could use it in power mode as well as TC-but due to its performance I will be sticking to NI200 and TI for the foreseeable future, and kanthal for standard build.
Its a shame-but oh well. I am hoping as tech improves, we will have smooth SS TC one day soonish.
If not, TI does the job well for me.
Does anyone know of a Mod that actually manages to do SS TC out of the box, preferably dual battery?
If so, that will be January's mod, I like the idea of SS a lot, but am not impressed so far for TC use.
What do you mean by contacting at the top?Honestly, I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around this. In any circuit you can get a short. So a wire 10 cm long between +/- terminals has X resistance. Coil it, loop it and touch only the tops together now you have a short. Not the distance between the two +/- terminals is 2 cm. Who cares... Except now 2 cm of wire only has 1/5 the resistance of the straight wire.
So this is the part I don't get. I can only assume. I going to use numbers straight out of my ass to illustrate the point. I assume measuring the effect of temp on resistance is on a material at a equal temp. So 2 cm of wire at the same temp for the whole length of the wire. 2 cm wire with 1 ohm at 100 degrees. Heat it up to 200 degrees it has 2 ohms. But if 1 cm is 300 degrees, and 1 cm is 100 degrees, the average is 200 degrees. 2 ohms.
If a coil is contacting only at the top, and current is shorted, I could see the short heating up much hotter than the rest of the coil. I could see TC limiting power because it sees the rise. The top is hotter than the bottom and the average is the rise. But if there is a short, then that 10 cm wire is now only 2 cm. And the natural resistance of the wire would show that. 10 cm with 1 ohm is now 2 cm with 0.2 ohm resistance.
The part I don't get is why does my mod see the full resistance of the full length of the wire, but TC seems to only see the rise in one small part of the wire. Path of least resistance should be measured. A 10 cm length of wire shows 1 ohm on mod, not 0.2 of a shorted contact coil? I hope that makes sense.
If I understand your question correctly: Perhaps because the short circuit is imperfect, and the rest of the wire is contributing to the circuit?The part I don't get is why does my mod see the full resistance of the full length of the wire, but TC seems to only see the rise in one small part of the wire. Path of least resistance should be measured. A 10 cm length of wire shows 1 ohm on mod, not 0.2 of a shorted contact coil? I hope that makes sense.
I always think of a microcoil like im building a resister. So the whole coil is a resister with + and - legs.If I understand your question correctly: Perhaps because the short circuit is imperfect, and the rest of the wire is contributing to the circuit?
I am using contact coils at the moment.So are you using contact coils?
So do you know how to make your own TCR curve?
Do you know how to find the TCR of the curves you are using?
When you say your temp is jumping all over the place... Do you mean what you feel, or watching it on the graph on device monitor?
Would I be better to use a spaced coil or contact coils?So are you using contact coils?
So do you know how to make your own TCR curve?
Do you know how to find the TCR of the curves you are using?
When you say your temp is jumping all over the place... Do you mean what you feel, or watching it on the graph on device monitor?
Oh I knew how to do the special and load in the wires coefficient method, I didn't realise that was a custom one woops.You just put in your own TCR. Under the graph on your profile is. 4 buttons. One is the button to click to load your CVS. The far right "special"... Click that. 2 options, click the bottom one... Says custom TCR or something like that. A dialog box pops up.... Put your number in. 0.00???
On steam engine, when you pick a wire... In the blue box on the left of the screen, where all the values are, it has the TCR. So if you pick 316, at the top you should see 910 x10/6. So the TCR is 0.00091. I just say that so you can see what value you actually have.
You can't enter a number below 0.00100. Even though you can load CVS with lower values. So your options are to enter 0.001. That isn't crazy off from what you should have. It's a bump. Enter that and see what you think.
Or you could use the CVS in steam engine for SS 304. That is 105. Again not crazy. Lots of people use the 304 file for 316/317 wire.
Or... There is an option in Steam Engine to make your own CVS. You enter your value, and it calculates 8 points and makes a CVS. I haven't done that, so I can't tell you how to click through it. But it is there and is easy.
Or... If you enter a value in escribe, it will plot one point. The resistance at standard room temp at 68F. Then just add a few more point for added accuracy. At the bottom of the graph on the left there are 3 buttons. Delete, split,?. Click "split" and go to 600F on the graph and click it and it will add a point. I go through and split it at every 100 degrees. There you go, you made your own graph.
What does dual coil mode do?316L works well in my VTC Mini in dual coil mode.
Does it? I Highly rate the EVIC VTC Mini-its my favourite single battery mod316L works well in my VTC Mini in dual coil mode.
Ahh, I have been making pure contact coils with SS. I knew that NI200 HAD to be spaced, but I did not realise with SS the TCR is correct with a spaced coil.As far as spaced or contact... That's what we are debating. Seems you I can use contact with higher TCR, but the correct TCR is correct for the wire when it is spaced
I was just mentioning the Tron tank-I tend to go off on different subjects, sorry about that.You cannot judge the VTC MINI with the Tron tank.
Use an RTA.
Also, you have to set and lock the resistance when the tank is cold.
Not too bad if I am honest. It seems to need about the same power as kanthal, maybe a TINY bit higher, thats with 316L, I haven't tried 317L in power mode yet, only temp.How does ss vape in power mode compared to a1 kanthal or nichrome80?
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I seriously doubt the alloy has anything to do with it. The differences between 316 and 317 are miniscule. It's more probable the 316 you think you have isn't 316. 316 is n9 different for our purposes than 317.OK-I am having MUCH better results with 317L than 316L. Has anyone else found this? As there was even a long thread at the Evolv forum about SS316/316L not working correctly, with TC turning off and firing as a standard non TC coil ETC.
317L has not done that once-yet.
A few days of each one, and hopefully I will have SS TC down and working well, even with 317L, glad I got the 317L actually.
YesDo i need to lock resistance when using ss? Thanks