All i use. Love itI ordered a box of the Cellucotton 100% Rayon... just because. It's dirt cheap and I want to experiment with it some more. Can also give some away.
All i use. Love itI ordered a box of the Cellucotton 100% Rayon... just because. It's dirt cheap and I want to experiment with it some more. Can also give some away.
IMO luck has got very little to do with it. I mean, yes I am well aware that .08 ohms on a single battery mech with the Samsung 30T is vaping way above the CDR of the battery, which is 35A for the Samsung 30T, but no, even in the highly unlikely event that my mech starts auto-firing on me, there's simply no chance I'm letting the battery get discharged continuously for longer than the time it takes for it to end up being just warm, never hot. Everyone is responsible for their own safety so for me I make damned sure the mech will have been safely disarmed a very long time before the battery even stands a fraction of a chance to start getting anywhere near warm. When I'm vaping like this it doesn't even get lukewarm because I put the mod down and I let the battery rest before that can ever happen. But I am also well aware that, on the inside of the battery, there are areas where it can get up to several degrees warmer than the outside surface of the battery.Years ago, when the VTC3 and 4 were the batteries to have, I haven't vented a battery yet, but I have dangerously exceeded its amp limits and caused the battery and mech to get hot. But again, that was years ago, and the resistances I was playing with was .05 and lower. We're talking 3x stranded parallel coils wrapped around 22g needles. Usually 2 wraps (for obvious reasons), wraps touched, vapor was like eating fire, and when it fired, man, was she pissed. If it wasnt the button getting hot, the mod and the battery itself was hot. Maybe you got lucky? Don't know, but I don't dabble with that kind of power anymore.
Love rayon. All i use nowOk, I decided to finally try Rayon in a series tube. I wound some coils to bring up the resistance in my og Goon 24 on the XXX to .34. Quad twisted 30ga Ni80 wrapped with 36ga Kanthal.
One thing is undeniable. Rayon is WAY more absorbent than cotton. Every kind of cotton I've tried. I wicked it quite tight and left some meaty tails in the wells. Not full, but laying fully in there.
I'd done this with various cottons many times, but never with Rayon. I dripped down the middle on the clamps allowing the juice to get to the well without really touching the coils. Cap off.
The juice was changing the color of the Rayon and climbing up to the coils in seconds. No cotton I've ever had is even close. That by itself isn't everything, but, just like everybody says, Rayon wicks FAAAST.
Guess I'll be the outlander - can't stand Rayon - I can literally taste the stuff, no dry hits needed
I just got a 40 foot box from a beauty supply place on Ebay (or Amazon?) for 8 bucks after shipping.I bought a box of cellucotton at Sally Beauty Supply for $12 in 2011 and it will last me the rest of my life.
https://www.amazon.com/Graham-Professional-Cellucotton-Beauty-Rayon/dp/B00PBGJT5A@BobsHere
What brand of Rayon was that you so generously sent me a good while back.
Yep,that's the one I bought. Thanks.https://www.amazon.com/Graham-Professional-Cellucotton-Beauty-Rayon/dp/B00PBGJT5A
Have to watch the number on the box, they have similar only it's cotton, not rayon.
Nah I'm with you there. Tried rayon, not a fan. Just don't like the taste of it and pretty sure that's what's blended into cotton bacon. They can claim it's cotton all day long but cotton doesn't squeak like that. I still seem to get better wicking off regular old muji pads. Cotton bacon does the same thing for me as rayon, it's like dry tasting. Juicy wicks and dry as fuck vape. Great for all those who love it, just not my cup of tea.Guess I'll be the outlander - can't stand Rayon - I can literally taste the stuff, no dry hits needed
I've been experimenting with rolling a piece of cotton and and a piece of Rayon together.
So far I've tried the opposite. Rayon core and and cotton toward the coil. For the same general reason though. Rayon pulling the juice into the cotton from the inside of the wick. I have some other imperfections in those builds preventing me from getting a true representation of the results though. Only so many hours in a dayI have been doing this also. I like to take some muji cotton and just roll a thin layer of rayon on the outside. It's been working absolutely wonderful in some of my leaky tanks. The cotton basically stays saturated, and the rayon wicks directly from the cotton. No more leaks, and it tastes like if it were just rayon to me. I still haven't really tested for longevity yet. Working on that......
Yes, rayon is just absolutely horrific in every possible way... I already pointed that out previously in the thread. Cotton Bacon, if the wicks are saturated it always gives me a really wet taste. With good coils a dry taste only occurs if the wicking job is poorly done and/or if the airflow setting, the strength of your draw, the positioning of the coils, and the wattage setting aren't all working fully in balance with each other... not knowing how to properly wick is a common mistake with Cotton Bacon because the fibers are so tightly compressed that you really need to prepare the piece of cotton that you tore off, scrubbing it between your fingertips and rolling it with the palms of your hands before you can finally insert it into the coils. I know this takes additional time, but it pays off, and, people who love it are loving it exactly because of the paying off part. In the video below, even though the ends of the wicks don't necessarily have to be routed the way that he does because that obviously depends on what you have, you can see what I mean about preparing the piece of cotton first.Nah I'm with you there. Tried rayon, not a fan. Just don't like the taste of it and pretty sure that's what's blended into cotton bacon. They can claim it's cotton all day long but cotton doesn't squeak like that. I still seem to get better wicking off regular old muji pads. Cotton bacon does the same thing for me as rayon, it's like dry tasting. Juicy wicks and dry as fuck vape. Great for all those who love it, just not my cup of tea.
You really need to learn to just speak your mind and stop being so afraid to give your opinionYes, rayon is just absolutely horrific in every possible way.
You're right, I admit... rayon is also absolutely horrific in every impossible way, too.You really need to learn to just speak your mind and stop being so afraid to give your opinion
I'm not going to be able to go long with you here. It's actually working quite good even in a higher powered mech setup. Definitely alot of subjectivity here.You're right, I admit... rayon is also absolutely horrific in every impossible way, too.
I've met multiple dozens of people who vape their mechs at or above 120 watts on Ni80 complex coil builds (mostly aliens and fraliens) and have met them in person due to the fact online sales of vaping products are banned in my country so that causes more people who are passionate about mechs to get together in person at those specific B&M stores that are run by people who are also experienced mech users themselves. Many of these dozens of mech users I've met are strictly using mechs and have been building these build types much more frequently than I have, and for a lot longer, but around these parts not a single person has ever agreed with what you just said... after almost two years of wanting to keep an open mind about this particular subject I just quit asking people because the answers were all clearly pointing in the same direction so, even though you won't hear me deny that everyone's opinion on this is still nonetheless subjective, over here, they are not only being unanimous, but also they all told me that everyone that they themselves had met was unanimous also.I'm not going to be able to go long with you here. It's actually working quite good even in a higher powered mech setup. Definitely alot of subjectivity here.
Well fair enough. I certainly can't tell you that anything you said isn't true. What I can tell you is that I brought the build up to 3.4 for this test, which yes is only about 120 watts. In the XXX and the copper og Goon 24. 2070Cs. Next, I'll bring the build back down some but this setup is vaping good. I mean I can't deny that. It wicks great and tastes great.I've met multiple dozens of people who vape their mechs at or above 120 watts on Ni80 complex coil builds (mostly aliens and fraliens) and have met them in person due to the fact online sales of vaping products are banned in my country so that causes more people who are passionate about mechs to get together in person at those specific B&M stores that are run by people who are also experienced mech users themselves. Many of these dozens of mech users I've met are strictly using mechs and have been building these build types much more frequently than I have, and for a lot longer, but around these parts not a single person has ever agreed with what you just said... after almost two years of wanting to keep an open mind about this particular subject I just quit asking people because the answers were all clearly pointing in the same direction so, even though you won't hear me deny that everyone's opinion on this is still nonetheless subjective, over here, they are not only being unanimous, but also they all told me that everyone that they themselves had met was unanimous also.
I suppose you mean .34 ohms, not 3.4, but on a stacked XXX with the Sanyo NCR2070C this would translate to about 171-172 watts, give or take, not 120, but anyway... not sure what kind of build you're using so I can't compare.Well fair enough. I certainly can't tell you that anything you said isn't true. What I can tell you is that I brought the build up to 3.4 for this test, which yes is only about 120 watts. In the XXX and the copper og Goon 24. 2070Cs. Next, I'll bring the build back down some but this setup is vaping good. I mean I can't deny that. It wicks great and tastes great.
Yes, .34. I was going on 7.4 volts, but that's why I shouldn't do math in my head.I suppose you mean .34 ohms, not 3.4, but on a stacked XXX with the Sanyo NCR2070C this would translate to about 171-172 watts, give or take, not 120, but anyway... not sure what kind of build you're using so I can't compare.
No worries. In a dual battery series mech the DC IR of the battery you're using is doubled, so 2Ă—.0157 ohms for the Sanyo NCR2070C. 8.4 volts / (.34 ohms + 2Ă—.0157 ohms) = 8.4 / .3714 = 22.617 amps. Also, 22.617 amps Ă— 2Ă—.0157 ohms = .71 volts of voltage sag, and, (8.4 - .71) Ă— 22.617 = near 174 watts. (Subtract a few watts to account for the power loss resulting from the voltage drop of the stacked XXX mod itself.)Yes, .34. I was going on 7.4 volts, but that's why I shouldn't do math in my head.
Hmm, I'd considered your wrap a few months ago.. What did you discover? I'd already ascertained that the rayon vs cotton varied about where and what they worked with. Always seemed it might be useful to wrap a core of rayon with a shell of organic.I didn't know where else to put this.
Not perfect, but definitely FASCINATING
Seems to lend some credence to the efficacy of my recent experiments with wrapping rayon in Japanese pads.
Well, I'm not going to call it revolutionary or anything, but it sure does work. This video confirms my suspicions. The best of both worlds. A rayon core for speed and a cotton wrap for volume. I originally thought of it because of the way rayon shrinks when wet.Hmm, I'd considered your wrap a few months ago.. What did you discover? I'd already ascertained that the rayon vs cotton varied about where and what they worked with. Always seemed it might be useful to wrap a core of rayon with a shell of organic.
Does it prefer RDA or RTA? (Yes, I found my choices had their own preferences - bastards)Well, I'm not going to call it revolutionary or anything, but it sure does work. This video confirms my suspicions. The best of both worlds. A rayon core for speed and a cotton wrap for volume. I originally thought of it because of the way rayon shrinks when wet.
I've done it with a flat piece of each roiled together too.
I don't think how you did it would make quite as much difference with an RDA, and with an RTA it seems it would depend on the RTA and how it's being vaped.Does it prefer RDA or RTA? (Yes, I found my choices had their own preferences - bastards)
I don't think how you did it would make quite as much difference with an RDA, and with an RTA it seems it would depend on the RTA and how it's being vaped.
The ratio of rayon to cotton would matter too.
Do you want more juice retention because it's higher power and you're chain vaping it? Or is it lower power and not being chain vaped? Both speed and volume matter more in the former scenario.
As with everything, it seems that experimentation is key.
That's the box I have. It's all I use anymore.
Yes it will. I use it in my stacks with my Serial Killer coils.Has anybody tried rayon in really high power cloudy setups? I love it in lower power mtl situations (that also aren't particularly susceptible to leaking).
I have this mental block, based on absolutely nothing that it won't stand up to a tube stack for instance.
I am having great success with the "hybrid" wicking scheme as described above. It seems that rayon and cotton each have their strong points. I have the 40ft version of that box btw.Yes it will. I use it in my stacks with my Serial Killer coils.