CLOSED- Debate Invitation to ECF Troublemakers

[Azriel Mysterious]

Inconceivable. How would politicians curry favor with their donors and other friends if there were no deductions, credits, or exemptions for them to carve out? Then there's the problem that every tax increase would be fought tooth and nail by the entire base of tax payers instead of just the subgroups, too small to mount meaningful opposition, that carefully targeted taxes increases are currently aimed at. No sir, this is politically unacceptable -- to our rulers.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I always thought what you and Rosie did with each other was consensual, and that Rosie was a woman and you were ...male?.but then I may have been mistaken on both counts, in which case my most sincere aplogies.
I mean I thought even you would be able to discern the last thing in the world I would want to do is be in the same room with you much less have any physical contact with you...again if I led you on to believe something more I apologize.

What's with your pathalogical obsession with rape? Doesn't seem healthy for you.

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

My favorite with him is Dogma... which is one of my all-time favorites for so many reasons, but he's a big part of my enjoyment.

Andria

Beware the Shit Demons!

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

In my experiences people on forums who get banned for lttle to no reason at all know who banned them.
It was brought up in a thread about people getting moved on and he mention who banned him.
Were you expecting him to lie about it?
Were you expecting him to forget?

How come you aren't a mod any more? You wouldn't conform?

So oliver gets rich and everybody else gets fucked.
That worked great until We made this place.
You can come here after getting "moved on" and bitch about who moved you on.

Considering some of the shit i've heard about ECF mods past and present if this is the worse thing he said about you::

"If this forum let's that asshole surf monkey on this site the mods should be horsewhipped, that little piece of shit hid behind that hog Untamed Rose like a prison bitch, and had her ban anyone who made him look like a fool....many a member of ECF got banned by those two."

He called you a hog and that's it.

Seems like he was complaining about the other mod.

You said this happened two years ago but you can't seem to let it go either.

You basically signed up here no new member introduction nothing but attacking a good member who will no doubt attack you right back as soon as he sees this.

When you "move on" so many people that you don't even remember their screen names you can expect that they will remember you no matter how hard you try to forget them.

So I guess you get an A+ for being a drama queen.

The thing is, I don't think Rose was even a Mod at the time he "moved on".

 

[justincase]

I though Rose was just a mod for the PIF section?? (Pay It Forward)

 

[Surf Monkey]

I though Rose was just a mod for the PIF section?? (Pay It Forward)

According to PCR and pulsvape she's the cause of all problems in the world.

 

[pcrdude]

Well, I have never met an atheist who say's there is no god(s).
Most you'll get is there is no evidence for god(s).


Suppose you have a link to some credible scientific evidence that proves otherwise?

Just look up "new atheist" or "militant atheist"....

 

[Surf Monkey]

The thing is, I don't think Rose was even a Mod at the time he "moved on".

She wasn't. She hasn't been a mod for years. Someone is just naturally angry and needs a target to beat up on to make himself feel better.

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

Still a better love story than Twilight.

 

[pcrdude]

Yeah, you're really lacking in basic self awareness, aren't you?

Having delivered little more than smears, personal insults and demands that I argue against a straw man you built you're in no position to criticize me about either my debate skills OR my integrity.

Surprise. Turns out you're still the same ineffective, rage filled person you were at ECF. Now that your dumb argument has failed here too are you going to have a tantrum, ask the site to close your account and slink off to yet another vaping forum to smear people behind their backs and pretend you're a genius?

Bet on it.

What an excellent debate point!

not

 

[Surf Monkey]

Just look up "new atheist" or "militant atheist"....

No matter how hard you try to put people in these boxes it'll never be a valid argument.

You may want to read up on how a debate actually works. Because inventing terms and then demanding that your opponent defend them? That is THE classic definition of a straw man.

So, show us. Show us your amazing skills. Devastate us with your unassailable reason and prove (as you haughtily claimed you could do with your hands tied behind your back) that atheism is illogical without employing shady tactics like straw men.

Still waiting. Been waiting since this same dumb "argument" of yours failed on ECF and you tried to dodge it by having your account closed and running away.

 

[Pipug]

Who cares about "new" or "militant" atheist? They don't represent atheists, as a whole. Atheists I've known my whole life have said they don't believe there is a god, based on lack of evidence. Simple. Really. Simple.

 

[Surf Monkey]

What an excellent debate point!

not

Still waiting to see any semblance of a legitimate argument from you. Your assertion was that atheism is illogical. So far you haven't even attempted to prove that point. All you've done is blather on and on about "levels of atheism," which is 1) a concept practically no atheists actually subscribe to and 2) a blatant straw man in this context.

So, STILL waiting for your amazing, unassailable argument that atheism is illogical. Based on the exchange so far you've lost this debate. Badly.

 

[VaporCarp]

You fuks need to give it up

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

I hope that the Retarded1's spy's report back to him with pictures and arrows and circles around each one of my posts. I will get his moderator status removed if I can!

He's a fuckwit on a power trip. I'd LOVE to see him get sacked, but I don't think it'll happen. ~.~

 

[Pipug]

You fuks need to give it up

Hi VaporCarp, welcome to the conversation.

 

[always9988]

We are on the same page! Spend the money it costs to print the tests & books in a bunch of different languages & use it to teach people English

Well we tried to save the thread

 

[always9988]

there are 112 languages spoken in the SF bay area...which ever ethnic enclave delivers the most votes for the DNC gets the resources the rest suck it up,and get busy.
Persoanlly if I emigrated to a country I wouldn't feel entitled to take the wealth of the taxpayers to educate me...

The thing is they already employ plenty of people to act as interpreters for their own business and for these offices that do work permits etc. in theory it could go one of two ways. End up as helpful as obamacare (read:sarcasm) or potentially save some money on man hours. Interpreters are actually hard to find for many languages and therefore cost taxpayers quite a bit to keep them employed

Edit: I'll leave it at that. I know I'm not educated enough on the subject to debate this point further, this is just my opinion based on my knowledge of the discussion topic.

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

Soccer does blow. Not as much as american football though.

I have to agree that American Football sucks. It is Rugby for pussies.

 

[Pipug]

Well we tried to save the thread

Did ya see the title of this particular thread? It can never be saved. Doomed from the start...

 

[always9988]

Did ya see the title of this particular thread? It can never be saved. Doomed from the start...

I know I can't help it. I'm a mom. Diffusing situations is what I do

 

[Pipug]

I know I can't help it. I'm a mom. Diffusing situations is what I do

Take a mom break. Sit back and enjoy whatever comes along....every mom deserves a break!!!

 

[ej1024]

WTF GOING ON HERE?


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[Azriel Mysterious]

I bad mouth the americans who go behind other members backs to inform on them.

Or maybe you're one of those types of americans. If not then what's your fucking problem ?.

No one likes informers. Sounds like you do though !.

I think it is in your delivery. No one likes a rat, they have no honour. However, you do come off a bit brusque.

You'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

if it weren't for us having them, england would be speaking german.
Amazing how when the shit hits the fan we are the ones that get asked to send our blood and that of our children.

thank you for reminding us how we are still the shining city on a hill.

America is, after all, a Nation of War.

 

[The Cromwell]

I agree with you on spiritual matters it is pointless to debate them, but wonderful to discuss them.... On politics I disagree they should be rigerously debated,however there comes a point when in political life there is no common ground and people have to make a choice.

Debate in politics is pretty futile. Virtually all will still vote party line. I am writing myself in this time.

 

[justincase]

Just look up "new atheist" or "militant atheist"....

Rather than looking for angry atheist on the internet, why don't you come meet us.
In person.
Talk to us.
Find out what we really think/say/feel?

June 4, Washington D.C.
Free admission.

http://reasonrally.org/

For the record, I'm not an atheist.
I'm an antitheist.

New buzzword for you to create a strawman around.

 

[The Cromwell]

America is, after all, a Nation of War.

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And yet we no longer have the balls to declare war?

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

You don't think the moat already in place is sufficient?

That was fucking funny. I literally lol'd.

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

Hasn't replied yet. I'm just waiting to see some smartass reply, then I'm going to post the chapter-and-verse of what got me suspended and the actual email response I got back from retarded1. He's probably right that some stick-up-the-ass control freak reported that post, but it was up to retarded1 to decide I was talking about something verboten when I wasn't, and suspend me for it. And then insult me when I protested. The unwarranted suspension was bad enough, but to then insult me? That's why I'll never go back.

Andria

Retarded1 is an insufferable Fucktard. Fuck that guy.
(•̀ᴗ•́)

 

[justincase]

Ok all you theists & non-theists lets talk about something based in fact! I believe that the tests for citizenship, drivers license, & all other state & federal documents should be printed in English only! Although I respect a persons right to speak any language they choose I firmly believe they should be able to understand & speak the primary (official) language of this country if they choose to live & work here & especially if they CHOOSE to be a citizen! If you all agree with me on this then let's debate how we let the status quo happen!

I could be wrong, but I didn't think there was an 'official' language of the US.
I remember some chatter a few years back, but I was under the impression that it fizzled out.
The states are supposed to be sovereign and the federal government is limited in what it can impose upon a state, so I don't think the federal government can get any traction there.
Would be up to each individual state, I would think.
:unsure:

Personally, I think more Americans need to be bi/tri- lingual. (even more if that's your fancy)
We are one of very few nations on the planet whose people only speak 1 language.
I have a personal, short term goal of learning a new language every winter, starting this November. I will probably start with one of the languages I already know a little.
French, Spanish and German.

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

I wasn't going to go into the UK/USA thing, since it's really irrelevant; AFAIK, retarded1 is American.

But on the other hand... this idiot troll doesn't have enough balls to PM me directly with whatever the hell his problem is, but wants to drag it all out here in front of all y'all that already know the whole story (I've already posted the exact msg, word for word verbatim, that got me suspended over there), and make a big fucking deal out of it? I guess i have to conclude that brits have no balls whatever, and ought to stay their sorry asses on the brit forum of their choice and leave normal people alone.

As for the stick-up-the-ass puritan control freak that probably did report that completely inoffensive post, puritanism started in England, and the brits didn't have the balls or the sense to put those lunatics in asylums or burn 'em at the stake for heresy (really popular back then), but instead sent them over here to spread their insane poison to North America... we'd like to send them back now, every last one of them who thinks they have the right to control other people; they're a nuisance and a pestilence and we'd like them GONE.

Andria

Retarded1 saw no issue with certain members (not Surf/Kat/Bones) saying things like "black people are poor and starve because of inferior DNA" or "LGBT people are mentally ill deviants" those statements were called "opinions" by Retarded1 rather than bigotry. However when Surf started a thread saying some of the bigoted things (bigotry is against the ECF rules) people were saying, only about leprechauns he got a 2 week "vacation".

Apparently retarded1 has a thing about leprechauns. :shrug:

 

[justincase]

I think it is in your delivery. No one likes a rat, they have no honour. However, you do come off a bit brusque.

You'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

I beg to differ.
I bet you could catch more flies with shit.

 

[SteveS45]

ECF is almost dead when I decided to take a look to see what was going on over there and it is quieter than a Ghost Town.

 

[pcrdude]

No matter how hard you try to put people in these boxes it'll never be a valid argument.

You may want to read up on how a debate actually works. Because inventing terms and then demanding that your opponent defend them? That is THE classic definition of a straw man.

So, show us. Show us your amazing skills. Devastate us with your unassailable reason and prove (as you haughtily claimed you could do with your hands tied behind your back) that atheism is illogical without employing shady tactics like straw men.

Still waiting. Been waiting since this same dumb "argument" of yours failed on ECF and you tried to dodge it by having your account closed and running away.

OK, I gave sources for all the things I posted. One of them was from an ATHEIST WEBSITE. Saying I am making it up, or setting up strawmen is disingenuous.

 

[pcrdude]

Still waiting to see any semblance of a legitimate argument from you. Your assertion was that atheism is illogical. So far you haven't even attempted to prove that point. All you've done is blather on and on about "levels of atheism," which is 1) a concept practically no atheists actually subscribe to and 2) a blatant straw man in this context.

So, STILL waiting for your amazing, unassailable argument that atheism is illogical. Based on the exchange so far you've lost this debate. Badly.

There are lots of levels of atheism. I posted evidence. I am arguing against ONE of them.

Strict atheism (aka new atheism), but consistent with militant atheism, antitheism, etc.

Do you have reading comprehension issues?

 

[UncleRJ]

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[Surf Monkey]

OK, I gave sources for all the things I posted. One of them was from an ATHEIST WEBSITE. Saying I am making it up, or setting up strawmen is disingenuous.

I didn't say you're making it up, but it is a straw man none the less. You want to debate someone that doesn't exist here. You're fighting against points that no one here ever made. I could easily go find some fringe site, attribute its commentary to you and complain that you're not defending it. But you'd (rightly) reject that. Because it's a blatant straw man. You're not arguing with me. You're arguing with some blog you found.

There's zero disingenuity in my argument and a mountain of it in yours. Please do let me know when you're ready to have a real debate, because so far this is a poor excuse for one thanks to your leading questions, straw men and resort to personal insult in place of genuine rebuttal.

 

[Surf Monkey]

There are lots of levels of atheism. I posted evidence. I am arguing against ONE of them.

Strict atheism (aka new atheism), but consistent with militant atheism, antitheism, etc.

Do you have reading comprehension issues?

Nope. I can read just fine.

Latching onto "levels of atheism" based on a questionable Wiki page and a blog and then demanding that your opponent defends it is the definition of bad, fallacious debate.

And adding dumb personal attacks in every post just makes you look like a tool.

 

[Surf Monkey]

ECF is almost dead when I decided to take a look to see what was going on over there and it is quieter than a Ghost Town.

Not really. It's plenty lively. Inter-forum grudges are silly.

 

[pcrdude]

I retort:

Definition:
Atheist:
A person who believes that God does not exist.
Source:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist?show=0&t=1382390871

Oh, but you claim that's not what most people believe!!!!

I retort again:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/05/7-facts-about-atheists/

Not really "fringe" websites now are they?

you lose

 

[pcrdude]

And adding dumb personal attacks in every post just makes you look like a tool.

Oh the irony!!!!!

 

[Surf Monkey]

Ok all you theists & non-theists lets talk about something based in fact! I believe that the tests for citizenship, drivers license, & all other state & federal documents should be printed in English only! Although I respect a persons right to speak any language they choose I firmly believe they should be able to understand & speak the primary (official) language of this country if they choose to live & work here & especially if they CHOOSE to be a citizen! If you all agree with me on this then let's debate how we let the status quo happen!

Disagree.

Go to France, Germany, Itally, Japan etc. etc. Know what you'll see? Signs and labels and forms and lots of things in English and the native language. For an American, getting around in these places is practically as easy as getting around in the US, because these countries provide services in the languages people there speak.

Spanish is spoken by about 45 million people in the US. It's the second most used language here next to English. It makes no sense to exclude 45 million residents of this country due to some kind of loyalty? to English.

The single defining quality of this country is that it's founded on ideas. Not race, not heredity, not wealth or military strength. It's based on ideas, chief amongst them being that the government is of, by and for the people. When nearly 20% of the population at large speaks Spanish, it makes perfect sense that your AND their government would reflect that fact in some way. Because our country is a study in the egalitarian mixing of ideas in a unified yet diverse culture.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Oh the irony!!!!!

Where? You've smeared me in every post you've directed at me. Did you expect not to reap what you sow? I'd say the logical conclusion from this is that you're a disher but not a taker.

 

[pcrdude]

Where? You've smeared me in every post you've directed at me. Did you expect not to reap what you sow? I'd say the logical conclusion from this is that you're a disher but not a taker.

And again, no argument about the topic at hand. Just vitriol, and vitriol alone.

you lost, deal with it.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I retort:

Definition:
Atheist:
A person who believes that God does not exist.
Source:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist?show=0&t=1382390871

Oh, but you claim that's not what most people believe!!!!

I retort again:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/05/7-facts-about-atheists/

Not really "fringe" websites now are they?

you lose

Websters has it wrong. Simple as that. The editors fell into the same trap you did. Atheists do NOT believe in the non-existence of God. We do not believe in God. Very different.

Dictionary.com comes closer:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/atheist

MacMillan gets it exactly right:

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/atheist

And of course the Oxford English nails it:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/atheist

And Webster:

http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Atheist


So, good for you cherry picking a definition that supports your (and your source's) misunderstanding. Problem is, most other dictionaries get the difference between "believes there's not" and "doesn't believe in."

 

[Surf Monkey]

And again, no argument about the topic at hand. Just vitriol, and vitriol alone.

you lost, deal with it.

Declaring victory without actually winning is weak.

So is continually accusing me of what you've been doing all along.

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

Ouch

If a thread goes on long enough, it is bound to get Godwin'd...

 

[Surf Monkey]

And by the way, when it comes to failing to address the subject, you have yet to even begin explaining why atheism is illogical. Evidently you need me to be the stereotype you have in your head in order to have the debate? Sorry. That isn't me. That's a straw man you built and are becoming increasingly frustrated that no one will let you attack.

 

[pulsevape]

And again, no argument about the topic at hand. Just vitriol, and vitriol alone.

you lost, deal with it.

you expected more?...he's an idiot, what did you expect.