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Is there a God?
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Sadly, I don't make much time to read anything - other than what's on computer monitors.
Ahh, I can hear it now.. "at the late-night picture show.."
(The memes are friggin' awesome, BTW. Well played!!!
)Sure. My point is that there is no way to believe, with having knowledge. Or put more simply, unless you've been preached to and believe, you will go to hell. I don't believe in a god that will condemn a person to hell that has not been preached to just because he refuses to reveal himself directly. If there was such a god, he would be known to us directly, at birth or direct contact, so that no person that has not been preached to will go to hell.
The problem is not with religion itself, it's with the implementation of religion.
How many people died in the name of god and christianity by the inquisition? During the crusades? During the dark ages?
How many people are still dying in the name of allah and Islam right now?
How many people died in the name of god and christianity by the inquisition? During the crusades? During the dark ages?
How many people are still dying in the name of allah and Islam right now?
You know what the saddest part of threads like this is?
Its when you see people on this forum that you thought you had something in common with or similar views say things and it rubs you the wrong way and and that opinion of them is "soured".
I usually stay away from topics to do with religion and politics. Ive done a pretty good job with the subject of religion and never had too many head butting moments or lost friends over it, Politics, thats one that really has left a sore spot.
To think that someone you had in high regard, great moments, kind and caring times , and BOOM, its gone in one moment over something petty as human rights, racism and politics.
Ive had some of the worst things in my life happen to me by so called " good church going folks" Ive heard the foulest comments on race also.
So Im a bit leary of those that are a bit too zealous of whatever religion they wear on their sleeves and the bibles they carry around while slinging hate and bigotry with the other hand.
Its when you see people on this forum that you thought you had something in common with or similar views say things and it rubs you the wrong way and and that opinion of them is "soured".
I usually stay away from topics to do with religion and politics. Ive done a pretty good job with the subject of religion and never had too many head butting moments or lost friends over it, Politics, thats one that really has left a sore spot.
To think that someone you had in high regard, great moments, kind and caring times , and BOOM, its gone in one moment over something petty as human rights, racism and politics.
Ive had some of the worst things in my life happen to me by so called " good church going folks" Ive heard the foulest comments on race also.
So Im a bit leary of those that are a bit too zealous of whatever religion they wear on their sleeves and the bibles they carry around while slinging hate and bigotry with the other hand.
I'll beAhh, I can hear it now.. "at the late-night picture show.."
(The memes are friggin' awesome, BTW. Well played!!!
I love the Batman one because it is so PERFECT! Superman and Wonder Woman as Brad and Janet, Joker and Harley Quinn as Riffraff and Magenta, Batman as Frankenfurter and even Robin as Columbia all perfect!
so is that the nature of religon..or is that the nature of man....mothers beat their childeren..is motherhood bad?
God is revealed everywhere ...least of all in churches.
I'm not...because I don't see the enlightended teachings of Christ or Budhha as a code of ethics or morality I see them as a roadmap to human conciousness and I don't expect people to be enlightened just because they are on the road to enlightenment. the teachings have nothing to do with ethics or morality.
There is something, but I wouldn't define it as God. And yes, it is revealed everywhere.
well then mabe you might wanna revaluate your definitions.
it's funny nowdays in secular society we have our own set of behaviors we can't tolerate and we are as just as self righteous and just as damning and just as convinced of our moral high ground that gives us license to condem other people for their "sins" instead of realizing and have understanding for their lack of consiocness.
Maybe. But the word "god" carries baggage along with it's many definitions. There is no word for my definition.
Thats basically what I think of when it comes to religion and beliefs. I dont see anything wrong in growing up with guidance. After all, the basics in all religions are basically the same. Treat others as you would like to be treated. Basic wrong and rights.
Someone famous had a quote , something on the lines of : Theres nothing wrong with religion, its man that ruins it .
SO true. I just dont think that anything should be followed with a narrow mind. Religion should be a guide and a basis but any religious person that can condemn, hurt, kill, wipe out others for not believing as they do cant be something I can have in my life.
Im not against religion, GOD or GODS etc, its the evil in the guise of goodness that Im afraid of.
for me...as a trout fisherman,probablly why I'm a trout fisherman...when I'm spiritually lost ...I go and sit by the river and spend a weekend listening to the river just letting it's sounds and motions heal me and then wisdom is revealed to me, I know my place in the universe or as some people would say I accsess my higher conciouness, or open my crown chakra or talk to God. how do you define a conciousness that is as vast as God..it is impossible for humans to do that ...we can try,but it is futile.we put the baggage on God.when we try to put him in a bottle.
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I like that. I tend to feel something for religions that give respect to the Earth. Those that realize that we are so insignificant compared to the amazing life that is going on around us.
We love to manipulate all life around us and put ourselves on a pedestal of importance to which all other life is compared to.
Think about this, we Humans are the only species I can think of that if it disappeared tomorrow the world would be better off with out.
If we lost any other species like the bees, the world as we know it would be affected and start a chain reaction that could devastate all life.
No question: nature of man.
I know of what you speak. But, the way I try to look at is "I'm the one with the problem with it." When the problem is "over here" in my chair, it's on me to sort it out and get clear as to what has me upset by it.
"He made me mad!" is failing to be responsible for you being how you feel. The other person just said or did something, and your interpretation of that resulted in your decision to be mad about it. They didn't make you anything.
Get it?
I think I do
I had posted that video earlier on this thread on that exact subject. We can interpret things so completely different than someone else. Usually it comes down to life experiences , events that lead us to be who we are.
I try everyday to keep all my experiences in check, Its hard sometimes to keep those "old wounds" from swaying something one way or another.
You and I are on similar ground of thought. Religion in and of itself is not the problem - it is how humanity often uses it as a justification of means to subjugate someone else. When applied in such a fashion, at it's very core, it is nothing more than an "I'm right and you're wrong" conversation. In the case of the Christianity/Islam clashes, both lay claim to being the "true" faith. The conclusion I reached a long time ago is if two groups are claiming that each is "right" about something that can't be proven, neither can be right - or wrong - about their position.
I suppose I could settle on the use of the word "god" as a limitation of human languages. But, I'll probably always rebel against it's use. It's tainted. And it falls short. But, I see your point.
Just to be clear I personally did indeed like it...Nuff said.
Good point...However you're forgetting 1 big important factor.We people...That's all of us by the way.Have a tendency to be rather foolish and foolhardy.
Holy hardware batman.That's literally enough to arm a small army.I have a arsenal...or did before I lost it in the lake on my last fishing trip...
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Alright you just beat out all of my Laura Croft Fantasies...Damn.
Actually the word Christian literally means (Like unto Christ)
You're kind of misrepresenting that.
(Who* will render to every man** according to his*** deeds.) - Romans 2:6
*God in this case.
**Yes everybody.
***That person's alone.
Therefore yes all will be judged,but only for what they themselves have done.
Er...In short yes.
Although it is a bit more convoluted.
Remember each will be judged according to their actions.There's a caveat in there for a reason I think.
**Keep in mind modern law states that ignorance of the law is no excuse for failure to comply with it.**
The laws in the Bible predate those laws so there's a Grandfather Clause built in...Cheers!
Not sure why.
If you don't believe in a god it to begin with.It just kind of makes sense you wouldn't seek to learn much if anything about religion.
And yet you could sit at my table anytime you wished...Cheers!
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Minor correction (It was closer to 3 centuries...Yes you read that right Three Hundred Years After)
As far as I know, virtually all cultures in the history of mankind have attempted to answer the question of how we got here and why. As it remains beyond our understanding, I suppose we humans will keep looking for the answers.
Thinking one has the answers gives great comfort. Unfortunately, it leads people to compare answers, and instead of seeing ourselves as all part of the same journey, separates us.
Accepting another human's definition of the answers and following the rules that come with it may make one's journey seem easier, but I can't help but wonder how we can think anybody has an accurate map of the unknown.
Those that claim to have the answers seem to have used that claim to control other people most all the time. I'm pretty sure that's not our highest purpose.
Thinking one has the answers gives great comfort. Unfortunately, it leads people to compare answers, and instead of seeing ourselves as all part of the same journey, separates us.
Accepting another human's definition of the answers and following the rules that come with it may make one's journey seem easier, but I can't help but wonder how we can think anybody has an accurate map of the unknown.
Those that claim to have the answers seem to have used that claim to control other people most all the time. I'm pretty sure that's not our highest purpose.
That might not work.
If we're talking about the catholic church it's easiest to just denounce god at the altar in front of witnesses.There's no coming back after that...Period.
Fine you can be Dr. Frakenfuter.Only if I can rock it like Tim Curry.
I'll be Eddie and my wife will be Columbia.
That would include Catfish as well.
Fins but not scales...Fuck me running.
Well goodnight and make an extra pot of coffee when you wake up.
I have it on good authority that there is a God, and he uses a series box mod and a dripper.
If there is no god than life serves no purpose.
What is life then? Procreation? Longevity of mankind? We are doing a pretty good job of destroying the planet so by that mindset we are doomed. Then what? Reincarnation? Lights out?
Im actually curious to know what the non believers believe we are here for and where we are going.
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What is life then? Procreation? Longevity of mankind? We are doing a pretty good job of destroying the planet so by that mindset we are doomed. Then what? Reincarnation? Lights out?
Im actually curious to know what the non believers believe we are here for and where we are going.
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I'm more of a Riffraff guy myself..
And we're 2-0 with people needing to quantify an otherwise correct statement. I'm curious as to why that is? (As in, actually curious as to why you and @martnargh felt compelled to quantify it, not that I'm trying to troll you out on it.)
That is one view or opinion. Not invalid. But get that's what it is.
Purpose, value and meaning are all going to be what you decide to ascribe to life. Up to you to decide how you play in the sand box.
You should see the ones in hiding
I understand, not forcefeeding, we are discussing. Which is why i asked the questions i asked.
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Also, what about rapists, thieves, murderers, people who do wrong and get away with it. People who didnt get the chair or didnt get life in prison, if there is no god than did they just get with all of that? Even if you believe in karma, there would be an inbalance, is there no divine justice?
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This life is all that we have. Make the most of it and do not belittle it with a promise of reward after you die.
Life is it's own purpose.