HCIGAR VT133/VT167 Dual 18650 DNA200/250

[Wingsfan0310]

Thanks steve. Makes me feel more comfortable vaping it now. For a minute I was kinda scetch. I can't wait to get home from six flags and build me a coil. I have used tc with ss316L and didn't care for it
much. Hopefully this experience with ss430 is much better. Everything you have recommended to me so far has been a home run. Just waiting on my supreme to show up. I've learned so much from this thread.

Your welcome my friend and thanks for the kind words. I think we have all learned stuff from this thread. It's because there are a lot of very knowledgeable and helpful people here posting in it (and no I wasn't including me). I think you are going to like the SS430, especially in TC.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[MercuryVaper]

Did I mention I also have joined the SS430 club. Got the free shipping deal from Unkamen, Really liking it twisted up. Not sure I can tell any difference between TCR or Curve though. It's a clean pleasant vape either way.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

@Nevweezy I'll give you a couple of tips you may or may not find helpful with the SS430.

1. Be careful when removing the wire from the hole, if you let it go you might find it has a tendency to unwind from the spool (don't ask how I know this )
2. It's a touch on the springy side so you can do 1 of 2 things. Either coil it on a mandrel that is one size smaller than you want the coil to be (EX: if you want 2.5mm try a 2mm mandrel). or What I do is cut the length of wire I want and lightly torch it with a regular Bic Lighter (just get it to slightly glow and move on - nothing crazy). I find that takes the springiness out. YMMV
3. I always use spaced coils for TC. I'm not saying it's absolutely necessary, it's just how I do it and I get good results.

Cheers,
Steve

Edit If you lightly torch it just use the size mandrel you want the coil to come out as. I find doing that makes the wire easy to work with. Maybe it's just me.

 

[MercuryVaper]

Bic lighter? Who has those laying around anymore lol.

 

[Foggz]

Hmmm...
Polish or Paint, Polish or Paint...

had ordered a spare cover .. just black i think, as was so thinking I can custom the color of it and also since the color covers don't seem to be avail atm.. assuming that is the cover stripped down at this point? royal hunter green.. sounds great!

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Bic lighter? Who has those laying around anymore lol.

LOL, I was just trying to let him know not to go hog wild and break out a torch . Bic's come in handy for lighting candles, charcoal grills, bond fires, etc .

Cheers,
Steve

 

[MercuryVaper]

LOL, I was just trying to let him know not to go hog wild and break out a torch . Bic's come in handy for lighting candles, charcoal grills, bond fires, etc .

Cheers,
Steve

After working with this springy 430. I can see a bic in my future. I turned a 3mm coil in to a 3.5 mm coil. I tugged and tugged. I knew I should have used a 2.5 mandrel lol.

 

[Foggz]

Did I mention I also have joined the SS430 club. Got the free shipping deal from Unkamen, Really liking it twisted up. Not sure I can tell any difference between TCR or Curve though. It's a clean pleasant vape either way.

do you notice any dif between 316l / 430 ? I'm kinda on the not overthinking bandwagon atm and wondering if it will be noticeable .. have had no issues with the 316l and actually am happy with it.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

do you notice any dif between 316l / 430 ? I'm kinda on the not overthinking bandwagon atm and wondering if it will be noticeable .. have had no issues with the 316l and actually am happy with it.

I'm not sure if you wanted everyone's opinion or just MV's. I'm giving you mine anyway lol. For regular wattage vaping I don't think it matters one way or the other. For TC 430 has ~50% higher TCR than 316l so it has a greater resistance change, thus making it easier for the mods to have a more consistent (and accurate)TC graph.

For me 316L can be used in TC but since it's TCR is on the low end of what our mods can accurately TC it can be finicky. SS430 has been rock solid in TC for me. It's never once jumped out of TC and if you look at the TC graph in the Device Monitor of Escribe it produces a smooth line (My UD316L is more like an EKG lol). Maybe if I didn't have Escribe to compare the two wires graphs on I would feel a little different about this.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[MercuryVaper]

do you notice any dif between 316l / 430 ? I'm kinda on the not overthinking bandwagon atm and wondering if it will be noticeable .. have had no issues with the 316l and actually am happy with it.

When I coil a fresh 316l I get a burning in my throat for the first several drags. The 430 was not doing this at all. I'm not a technical guy and really can't say I feel any difference in the way the DNA handles it. I'm glad I got it though.

 

[MercuryVaper]

Not sure if what Steve just said has anything to do with this, but with 316l I had to lock my ohms or it would fluctuate no matter what I did on my Boreas. I just started using the 430, but so far the ohms are stable while unlocked.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

This is what I was talking about. I don't have a SS316L coil in any of my RTA's at the moment so I'm borrowing @f1r3b1rd graph of 316L to illustrate the difference. If you are getting good results then stick with what you are happy with. My 316 results in TC were like I said finicky but I could get it to work.

The red line is what I'm talking about, the smoother it is, the better (holding the temperature steady). I think our mods have to work really hard to try and hold 316L steady.

316L TC graph

SS430 TC Graph


Cheers,
Steve

 

[f1r3b1rd]

I'm using 430 when I want just a straight micro coil, and 316 when immusinf Clapton or fused Clapton.
To me though, while the graph is all lever the place, the vape is still smooth and nice. Much nicer than in power mode

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Last post from me on this subject, at least for a little while . Here's a few of graphs I posted a couple of weeks ago. I was messing around with SS316L using different TCR's to see if I could straighten out the graph a little. The SS304 profile worked the best imo (since 304 has a slightly higher TCR it will make the coils run a touch hot - nothing crazy though).
Note: Red line is the temperature graph.

UD SS316L using SS304's CSV file from Steam Engine

UD SS316L using the SS316L CSV from Steam Engine

UD SS316L using SS317 Haywire CSV from Steam Engine

Edit Here's a link to the original post:
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/hcigar-vt133-dual-18650-dna200.171476/page-26#post-1237532

Cheers,
Steve

 

[SmilinVapor]

Here you go. They ship fast also 5-10 days. It's not springy like the 28awg. No rubber band on this roll... 5.18$ for 330 feet. I have a discount code, let me see if i can find it. The also have
Clapton, Tiger, Hive, Alien & Quad Wires. Look around the site
http://www.wireandstuff.co.uk/products/430-Grade-Stainless-Steel---Magnetic.html
15% Loyalty Discount
Use coupon code ALIENJULY16 (case sensitive) during checkout to receive15% OFF your order. Offer ends midnight on Sunday 10th July.





View attachment 55970

Thanks man. Your coupon worked. Gonna have some new gauges of 430 to try out. As mentioned elsewhere the 28G from unkamen is very springy. I use one of those little jigs from CoilMaster. It woks great with it. I just put on one extra wrap, give it a good tug with the plyers and you get a nice tight wrap, except after the tug the last wrap unwinds.

 

[diyguy]

I love my SS430 25awg. I can't even see 28awg SS it's so thin. You guys must be young and can still see

Where'd you get the 25ga 430SS? Apologies if you've already answered this, I'm still catching up on this thread...

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Where'd you get the 25ga 430SS? Apologies if you've already answered this, I'm still catching up on this thread...

It's in the quoted post directly above your post ^^^^^

 

[diyguy]

Here it is (23mm):
http://shop.steamcrave.com/supreme-lite-rdta_p0939.html

This looks perfect... But my first Aromamizer, the Supreme 4ml is still in route from fasttech to me...

Using a Griffin 22mm now, and have to loosen the fill lid to let a bubble rise periodically to keep it wicking properly. Not sure why, as I thin the cotton quite a bit already. Not a serious problem, but I'm hoping the Aromamizer works better in this regard.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

This looks perfect... But my first Aromamizer, the Supreme 4ml is still in route from fasttech to me...

Using a Griffin 22mm now, and have to loosen the fill lid to let a bubble rise periodically to keep it wicking properly. Not sure why, as I thin the cotton quite a bit already. Not a serious problem, but I'm hoping the Aromamizer works better in this regard.

I have absolutely no problem with wicking on my Supremes (7ml). As a matter of fact it's the only RTA I run without the JFC wide open. I run mine about half way and never get a dry hit. Sometimes I do wonder where all the juice went though. It's as thirsty as a sailor on shore leave

Cheers,
Steve

 

[inspects]

Afternoon--evening 133ers....hope everyone had a lovely Sunday,,,,hotter than the hubs of hell here....was laid-out in the pool most of the day with my vape and cold refreshments......

 

[SteelDriver]

Where in Missouri is UnkamenSupplies I live East of kc

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Where in Missouri is UnkamenSupplies I live East of kc

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

I believe they are in Rolla, Missouri. That's the post office it ships out of.

 

[Foggz]

I'm not sure if you wanted everyone's opinion or just MV's. I'm giving you mine anyway lol. For regular wattage vaping I don't think it matters one way or the other. For TC 430 has ~50% higher TCR than 316l so it has a greater resistance change, thus making it easier for the mods to have a more consistent (and accurate)TC graph.

hahaha.. always welcome your input Steve ! Tend to be a measure / graph guy myself .. but was kind of interested in the like it/don't like it and why answer from MV (anyone really) .. I do appreciate all your info tho, vurry much .. (thats what I have been reading and catching up on for the last hour).. did see about half of these graphs already but nice to have it all laid out here - thank you! Been running the vt133 today for a test spin.. don't know if it's just me and the 'new car' experience but first DNA here and it seems very much smoother of a vape than anything b4 - time will tell of course

[/quote]For me 316L can be used in TC but since it's TCR is on the low end of what our mods can accurately TC it can be finicky. SS430 has been rock solid in TC for me. It's never once jumped out of TC and if you look at the TC graph in the Device Monitor of Escribe it produces a smooth line (My UD316L is more like an EKG lol). Maybe if I didn't have Escribe to compare the two wires graphs on I would feel a little different about this.
[/quote]

yeah am seeing that, the TCR being higher gives it more 'head room' to work with, am thinking.

I'm using 430 when I want just a straight micro coil, and 316 when immusinf Clapton or fused Clapton.
To me though, while the graph is all lever the place, the vape is still smooth and nice. Much nicer than in power mode

nice - I am very much liking the ability to graph this and actually 'see' whats 'waht' ;p So far the 316l is doing well but always room to stretch eh?

Thanx all

 

[SteelDriver]

Ok not next door lol

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

 

[Jim_MDP]

yeah am seeing that, the TCR being higher gives it more 'head room' to work with, am thinking.

Application of the TCR value is very simple...

TCR X Starting (room temp) Resistance = the res rise per 1 degree C increase.

A higher TCR means a higher res rise per degree and that's easier for a mod to see, track and most important... stay ahead of to make power adjustments.

 

[diyguy]

It's in the quoted post directly above your post ^^^^^

Lol... Thanks. Gotta figure out how to look ahead without losing my latest read post number in Tapatalk... Or reset it. Posting that post kept my reading spot in the thread, but editing it a few minutes later reset my place to the latest post..grr.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Lol... Thanks. Gotta figure out how to look ahead without losing my latest read post number in Tapatalk... Or reset it. Posting that post kept my reading spot in the thread, but editing it a few minutes later reset my place to the latest post..grr.

Here you go but the coupon expired because it's already tomorrow in the UK.

BoostAddict said:
"Here you go. They ship fast also 5-10 days. It's not springy like the 28awg. No rubber band on this roll... 5.18$ for 330 feet. I have a discount code, let me see if i can find it. The also have
Clapton, Tiger, Hive, Alien & Quad Wires. Look around the site
http://www.wireandstuff.co.uk/products/430-Grade-Stainless-Steel---Magnetic.html
15% Loyalty Discount
Use coupon code ALIENJULY16 (case sensitive) during checkout to receive15% OFF your order. Offer ends midnight on Sunday 10th July.
View attachment 55970"

Cheers,
Steve

 

[TrollDragon]

Your done, clear coat it and call it a day. That looks great.

No, it still has some non reflective areas to it and my OCD would demand a mirror finish...

had ordered a spare cover .. just black i think, as was so thinking I can custom the color of it and also since the color covers don't seem to be avail atm.. assuming that is the cover stripped down at this point? royal hunter green.. sounds great!

That was my silver cover that I put some Circa 1850 paint stripper too. A little steel wool and some 600 wet paper cleaned up some of the stubborn bits.

The green was as close to it as I could find at the local HW store. Now to see how frustrating using a rattle can to put on a smooth coat will be.

 

[TrollDragon]

Last post from me on this subject, at least for a little while . Here's a few of graphs I posted a couple of weeks ago. I was messing around with SS316L using different TCR's to see if I could straighten out the graph a little. The SS304 profile worked the best imo (since 304 has a slightly higher TCR it will make the coils run a touch hot - nothing crazy though).


Cheers,
Steve

I use Jaquith's V4 from this post here for my 316L as I like the vape a little hotter.
https://evolvapor.forumchitchat.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1289850816&postcount=8&forum=454109

 

[Jim_MDP]

I use Jaquith's V4 from this post here for my 316L as I like the vape a little hotter.
https://evolvapor.forumchitchat.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1289850816&postcount=8&forum=454109

Hey... thanks.

When I was looking for other gauged 430 a few nights ago I stumbled across his name and various "vX" csv references... couldn't locate a damned one of them.

I notice v3 and v7 from that linked post are gone though (seven seemed popular).

I'll have to take a look at the curve, see why so many like his versions.

 

[inspects]

What size 430 wire are you guys generally using?

 

[Jim_MDP]

I think it was all 28g until Boost mentioned 25g.

Now we wait.
What time is it in the UK? Think they've filled our orders yet? Patient? What's that?

 

[dwcraig1]

One more little tidbit on SS, the SS3xx's contain nickel and the SS4xx's are nickel free.
SS4xx is also magnetic where the 3's are not.

 

[BoostAddict]

Happy Monday VT133 peeps! 28 days to doomsday

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Good Morning everyone..

 

[Jim_MDP]

Monday it is.

Fresh beans arriving today.

A different Ethiopian Harrar, and a Maui some here say is close to Kona.
At a quarter the price. Must taste.

 

[BoostAddict]

Maxwell House FTW

 

[Jim_MDP]

Maxwell House FTW

You are dead to me.




.

 

[Jlankford3336]

Just got my supreme on Friday and my ss430 on Saturday. I had to work Sunday but I'm off today so you know what I did this morning. That's right built two coils and wicked that sucker up. I've got to say I don't know if it's the wire or the tank or both but the flavor is outstanding. I bought the stainless one but now my old eyes are saying you should've spent the extra $5 and bought the black because the markings are hard as crap to see lol. But it works great on my VT133. So thank you Steve for the recommendations and the help.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Just got my supreme on Friday and my ss430 on Saturday. I had to work Sunday but I'm off today so you know what I did this morning. That's right built two coils and wicked that sucker up. I've got to say I don't know if it's the wire or the tank or both but the flavor is outstanding. I bought the stainless one but now my old eyes are saying you should've spent the extra $5 and bought the black because the markings are hard as crap to see lol. But it works great on my VT133. So thank you Steve for the recommendations and the help.

I agree with the markings being harder to see on the SS Supreme, I believe I mentioned it in the thread awhile back (I have old eyes as well). I originally bought one of each. After finding out how much I liked them I ended up buying 4 more in Black for my Vaping Chest (Doomsday supply). I believe the Black is $3 more at FastTech ($32 shipped).

The problem with the Supreme is it makes your other RTA's taste like their flavor is muted. I've gotten spoiled by mine and I like it.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[SteelDriver]

Trying to trade for a mage. My smok g2 and my 22 griffin

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

 

[SteelDriver]

I love wheeling dealing on local vape trader

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

 

[Jlankford3336]

I agree with the markings being harder to see on the SS Supreme, I believe I mentioned it in the thread awhile back (I have old eyes as well). I originally bought one of each. After finding out how much I liked them I ended up buying 4 more in Black for my Vaping Chest (Doomsday supply). I believe the Black is $3 more at FastTech ($32 shipped).

The problem with the Supreme is it makes your other RTA's taste like their flavor is muted. I've gotten spoiled by mine and I like it.

Cheers,
Steve

Yup I plan on ordering two more and they will definitely be black lol.

 

[Infinite1]

I love wheeling dealing on local vape trader

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

??? Looks like I am not hip to this. I just know of the buy/sell area of E.C.F

Do share... Thanks in advance!

 

[Wingsfan0310]

??? Looks like I am not hip to this. I just know of the buy/sell area of E.C.F

Do share... Thanks in advance!

I'm not sure what it is either? I've heard of people using Craig's list to sell Vape gear before though. I'd love to trade my Griffin 25, Billow V3 Plus, and Merlin for 2 Supremes. Heck I'd throw in some drip tips too. I've just never sold or traded Vape gear before. However I have given some away lol.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[SteelDriver]

I'm not sure what it is either? I've heard of people using Craig's list to sell Vape gear before though. I'd love to trade my Griffin 25, Billow V3 Plus, and Merlin for 2 Supremes. Heck I'd throw in some drip tips too. I've just never sold or traded Vape gear before. However I have given some away lol.

Cheers,
Steve

Get on Facebook and look for groups search for local vape trade group's. If there are none you can create one.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

 

[SteelDriver]

Get on Facebook and look for groups search for local vape trade group's. If there are none you can create one.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

Pros : find stuff you like trade stuff you don't like for it. Find stuff cheap you'd be surprised people buy vape gear then decide they don't even like vaping 2 days later. Cons: con artists but just be careful check it out. Sometimes they want you to drive 1 mile from their home which is 20 miles from yours. And always meet in a public place.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

 

[Infinite1]

Pros : find stuff you like trade stuff you don't like for it. Find stuff cheap you'd be surprised people buy vape gear then decide they don't even like vaping 2 days later. Cons: con artists but just be careful check it out. Sometimes they want you to drive 1 mile from their home which is 20 miles from yours. And always meet in a public place.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

Unfortunately, does not to appear to be any active groups in my area any longer. Thanks for the tip though!

 

[Infinite1]

I have to say, I loaded my Supreme with a dual 24G Parallel 7wrap pegging at .1Ω (SS 317L) 65W and am in love again with Diana. It's like getting back together with an old flame...ha ha ha.

Anyhow, with all the recent tanks that I have been getting to know over the last 2 weeks, my Supreme has taken kinda a back seat. With this build, I've re-discovered how great she is. I have not used a Parallel build in some months and it is really well suited for the Supreme. The reason that I have put it aside for a bit was the power of the hit was not on par with the other tanks (TFV8, Tornado)... but now the power is right on par along with the classic Supreme flavor as well. Right now in constant rotation are the Supreme, TFV8, Tornado and Mason RDA (30mm). I get my Limitless RDTA in a couple of days...

Supreme is sitting pretty on the VT133, where she belongs!

The only problem is that TC is not working, but to be honest, I have been loving PWR mode so much lately, its not missed. I might get around to adjusting the coils so that TC can work (spaced)... but not concerned atm.

 

[rchmx]

Well, just broke my TC cherry. lol

I had been running the same parallel 28g 6 wrap kanthal dual coils in my Bellus since I got it last December. Figured it was time for a change.

I have a couple 30 ft spools of 24g 316L SS that I purchased a while back, so I did dual 6 wraps, 2.4mm ID, and was just able to squeeze them inside the Bellus. They started out spaced, but I had to squeeze them a bit to get them to fit.

I tried them on power mode on my VT133 first, and just now switched to the appropriate TC mode (using Wing's ecig file). Turned the temp way down, then bumped it up a bit to 360F. I'm liking the vape ok, still getting used to the subtle differences, but I've noticed a few things.

1. The nicotine hit seems to be a lot stronger! I was running the parallel kanthal coils at 28w. With these SS coils, when in power mode, I bumped it up to 32w to get a similar vape, and 360F seems comparable, but I'm getting a little dizzy off of my 5mg juice. Seems surprising to me.

2. I'm vaping a simple INW Biscuit standalone juice I made. There was a subtle cakiness with the kanthal coils that I'm not really getting from these SS. I just found that surpising.

So, given the above information, and the fact that I'm a total TC noob, does anyone have any feedback that would be relevant? I'm not disliking anything about TC and this SS wire, I'd just be curious if anyone has any input.

Also, I've read that certain TC wire should definitely not be dry burned, but my impression is that it's fine to dry burn SS wire. Am I correct in thinking that?