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I've just ordered my first gennys. A Kraken clone and a nextgen clone. I've been building kayfuns and rdas for awhile now. I'm looking forward to trying something different and new (to me lol).
I'm watching tons of vids and reading up as much as I can find till they get here.
To me, gennys are the ulimate in vape experience and challenge of build. I don't care to cloud chase or do fancy builds. For me this is the next step. I feel I'm final up for it.
I'm watching tons of vids and reading up as much as I can find till they get here.
To me, gennys are the ulimate in vape experience and challenge of build. I don't care to cloud chase or do fancy builds. For me this is the next step. I feel I'm final up for it.
A NextGen will be my next purchase. Looking forward to playing with it and experiencing a ss mesh vape. I do have a question for the experienced genny builders. I'll be using my diy juice that's over 80% vg and wanted to know what sizes of mesh I should have on hand. I've seen people using, for example, just 400 by itself or something like 200 inside 400 and other sizes and combinations. I'd like to have the variety I might need, but don't want to buy stuff nobody really uses. Any advice?
I had mixed experiences with a RSST many moons ago, but I'm considering taking another crack at a genny. The Origen looks interesting. http://m.gearbest.com/electronic-cigarettes/pp_123370.html
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The RSST is a piece of crap....as for the Origenny... I don't like the plastic tank, but it looks to be a brilliant atty...and I'll probablly snag a clone....because I'd really like to try making a big porous ceramic wick for one of those 4mm wick holes....it has a chamber reducer..
Scott Bonner igetcha 69 did a review of it, and he reviews alot of high end attys. almost always when he reviews a genny he says the same thing..."it has good flavor what you'd expect from a genisis atomizer" but he actually made a point to say that the origenny was his favorite genny, so it must have pretty good flavor.As for the clones I've heard some of them were really poorly made. Maybe the modder Norbert will make a version with a glass tank. because the rest of the design is real interesting.
Scott Bonner igetcha 69 did a review of it, and he reviews alot of high end attys. almost always when he reviews a genny he says the same thing..."it has good flavor what you'd expect from a genisis atomizer" but he actually made a point to say that the origenny was his favorite genny, so it must have pretty good flavor.As for the clones I've heard some of them were really poorly made. Maybe the modder Norbert will make a version with a glass tank. because the rest of the design is real interesting.
Picked up a sat 22 clone via trade. Got it set-up with 30g 1 ohm coil w/ 400 SS mesh. Rocking 50/50 DRY-4 DIY with the old school genny tilt. 13.5W dense, dense flavorful vape. Love it.
I think another genny is in my future. Can anyone recommend a clone with a little more airflow? The sat has one hole drilled out, but I would love something a tad looser.
Seems like the two main contenders are the NextGen and Origen.
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I'd suggest the Origenny....the Nextgen is good but not great.....also if you are a genny newbie, the nextgen could be a pain.The wick and coil are not easily accessable,in case you need to tweak them. I think the nextgen is just the unicorn du jour, and the blush hasn't faded yet from the bloom,personally I doubt they will ever be considered a great flavor genny.They are convient though.as they don't really leak...
I never really cared for the Sat because of it's tight draw.If your looking for air draw similar to a dripper forget it....that would defeat the whole purpose of vaping a genny.
I never really cared for the Sat because of it's tight draw.If your looking for air draw similar to a dripper forget it....that would defeat the whole purpose of vaping a genny.
FYI fasttech has a NextGen clone for I think $13. How do you like the ipv mini? Is it the 30 or 70w?
Picked up a sat 22 clone via trade. Got it set-up with 30g 1 ohm coil w/ 400 SS mesh. Rocking 50/50 DRY-4 DIY with the old school genny tilt. 13.5W dense, dense flavorful vape. Love it.
I think another genny is in my future. Can anyone recommend a clone with a little more airflow? The sat has one hole drilled out, but I would love something a tad looser.
Seems like the two main contenders are the NextGen and Origen.
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Yep, they have the Origen for cheap also, decisions!
I like the ipv, it's a 30w. I picked it up via a trade on Reddit as a temporary mod, but it seems to stay in rotation.
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No,no they don't count.HMMMMMMM i still have a few RSST's laying around i bring every once in awhile ,does that count
I love the Screen. Build. My RSST has been built 40 or more times. I got it right. 3mm is right as wick. .325 is good screen. .28 Kanthal coil, bingo.
I can get clouds out of Geni's I can't get with any other type coil. Just stupid thick for a couple of pulls. Fill the room clouds.
I put mine in the "Things to figure out when board box" twice.
I love all of them so. It's like a model T & Mom's apple pie all at once. This Kanger Areo Turbo kicks major ass. Mixed Blood Orange & Cherry together. 18 Mls Nic. All VG.
because it's a lousy genny. the atty it was cloned from was a lousy genny.
Kind of subject for me really, I like many different types of motorcycles too so how would I pick one to do everything with, I picked the KTM 640 LC4, a little bit of what I could get from most everything.
Atomizers are cheaper so I can dabble more especially with clones at less than a tenth of the originals price.
I've been tinkering with the Nextgen clone from FT lately and it's absolutely outstanding, enough so I have another on its way to me.
Not exactly for the timid and can challenge experienced builders but well worth the effort once the build is nailed down. My only really good mesh on hand right now is some 500, I wrapped with 6 wraps of two strands of 32 gauge NI200 twisted bouncing between .14 and .15 on my ohms checker. I've been building a little high to be able to move atties from od to mod. Not a serious chain vapers build but keeps up at about a drag every 15 to 25 seconds.
More mesh is on the way and glass replacement tanks, these things are keepers!
If interested I can post builds as I get them where I want them.
Atomizers are cheaper so I can dabble more especially with clones at less than a tenth of the originals price.
I've been tinkering with the Nextgen clone from FT lately and it's absolutely outstanding, enough so I have another on its way to me.
Not exactly for the timid and can challenge experienced builders but well worth the effort once the build is nailed down. My only really good mesh on hand right now is some 500, I wrapped with 6 wraps of two strands of 32 gauge NI200 twisted bouncing between .14 and .15 on my ohms checker. I've been building a little high to be able to move atties from od to mod. Not a serious chain vapers build but keeps up at about a drag every 15 to 25 seconds.
More mesh is on the way and glass replacement tanks, these things are keepers!
If interested I can post builds as I get them where I want them.
I'm not real impressed with the nextgen as a flavor genny....it's good real good,and it is very very convinient, as it doesn't leak....the only down side i have with it, is I'm not so sure how good an atty it is for heavy VG juices. for anything with pg above heavy VG I think it preforms real well, but alot of the people I've heard that have tried it still rate the IN'AX as a better flavor genny, of course the IN'AX only has a puny 1.5ml tank.but it is as convinient as the kayfun,and gives better flavor than a kayfun.I think the concept is good,but I think they have to play around with the chamber to get the best flavor out of it.I found building on it a cakewalk, and I think this will attract alot of noobs to it. I'm going to keep dabbeling around with it, but I don't think it will be replacing my other gennys,any time soon....
I have two IN'AX version 2s and I just don't like building on them as well as I vape enough the tank size just bothers me. Flavor from atties can be subject just as with liquids, the builds can make a big difference.
I haven't developed my builds anywhere near enough to call one better than the other but I'm finding myself partial to the Nextgen personally. Since I have had the one I'm vaping now it's likely dominated the hand fill. If genesis like this and the IN'AX would have came around years ago I'd likely not have the vape gear I do.
I haven't developed my builds anywhere near enough to call one better than the other but I'm finding myself partial to the Nextgen personally. Since I have had the one I'm vaping now it's likely dominated the hand fill. If genesis like this and the IN'AX would have came around years ago I'd likely not have the vape gear I do.
Neither have I .....I vape heavy VG juices, which I can do easily on a conventional genny,but i'm going to have to play around with wicks and mesh to find a build that will work for the nextgen....I agree the tank size on the in'ax is annoying but it maybe the reason it wicks so well..it's just a hair bigger tank than a micro mini, or other mini gen.Honestly I have a bit of a PG sensitivity but i'm thinking of going out and getting like 10 or 15 ml of a 50/50 juice to run through the nextgen just to see how much better it wicks.you can't tilt the thing so wicking is totally dependent on your juice and your wick. have to admitt i'm a bit of a chain vaper.
I started on 80PG /20VG for flavor and found PG isn't so good to me either. I do 50/50 now and have been okay with it for years. It could make the different you're looking for or different mesh could too maybe.
nope, after years of vaping I've gone from 70/30 pg/vg to 50/50 to 100 vg to now at 12pg/88vg...honestly I'm afraid to bump it up to 20pg......I suppose I might add a few drops of PGA to juice to thin it down,but I don't really care for PGA in my juice,or distilled water or saline....I might bump it up to 20%pg, but I'm gonna try diffrent mesh sizes and wicks.
Yeah if you're that sensitive I'd take the mesh route first and just move on to something else if it doesn't work for you. Being I only have the good 500 mesh I've been tinkering with how tight I roll it for the Nextgen, less than really tight seems to be helping wick.
Ive heard so many opinions,I'm about bugshit crazy...you read these threads where these goobers roll up a bunch of wicks and then time them for how fast they wick blah blah blah..I've heard they tested them and that 500 mesh rolled real tight wicks the best....but I use 325 mesh in my other geenys and they do bitching...of course I don't make a plain rolled wick,but still ...trail and error....wick building for a genny is like coil building for drippers there are so many configurations and mesh sizes,it's fun to play with them. I think I was using 400, and rolling is just regualrlly tight nothing special and it seemed to work fine I've also seen a L wick build and a wick within a wick build for the nextgen.I think the important part for the nextgen maybe making sure the wick is fat, I think it may help with the negative pressure system.
Well excuse me for making the effort to assist.
Oh no steam I wasn't talking about you...sorry if you got that idea. I was talking about all the threads I've read over the years...one guy saying one thing one guy saying the other i just throw my hands up and don't know what to believe.so I just try everything and see what works for me..or I just make stuff up....sorry steam no offense meant.
Oh, okay, thank you! No offense taken, just misunderstood.
Some like one liquid and others another, it's just about as subjective with atomizer builds I guess, throw in a little pride of workmanship and then it gets posted on the internet. I know I've posted some builds others didn't like, they worked for me either because they were easily built and produced reasonably or tasted better to me than what I had seen on the net.
As long as people find what they like and stay off the combustibles it's all for the better IMO, so diversity can play a positive roll although sometimes confusing.
The most frustrating part for me in looking for builds was the lack of materials I started with, can't do that one, nope don't have the right Eko, crap wrong mesh...
Some like one liquid and others another, it's just about as subjective with atomizer builds I guess, throw in a little pride of workmanship and then it gets posted on the internet. I know I've posted some builds others didn't like, they worked for me either because they were easily built and produced reasonably or tasted better to me than what I had seen on the net.
As long as people find what they like and stay off the combustibles it's all for the better IMO, so diversity can play a positive roll although sometimes confusing.
The most frustrating part for me in looking for builds was the lack of materials I started with, can't do that one, nope don't have the right Eko, crap wrong mesh...
I was a carpenter for 30 years and I used to tell my apprentices"There's at least a dozen diffrent ways to do a job and at least 6 of them is the right way."......I have boxes of the crap, ....silica,ekowool, xc-116,raime,rayon,ribbon kanthal...after collecting the stuff over a couple of years I just threw most of it out.I'm lucky I live 20 minutes away from TEMCO, the guys who supply most of us with kanthal, so wire is easy to get ....mesh is a bitch to find there are so few vendors that sell a wide range in 6x6 or 12x12 sheets...400 and 325 I got a good source for, but I'd likje to get some 500, 270, and #200 superfine....because I vape such high VG I haven't tried #200 superfine mesh yet, ....I got back to vaping mesh about a year ago,I had been using porous ceramic wicks for about a year,but then I started vaping NET juices and ceramic wicks just clog to fast using NET juices. once I find some high VG juices other than NETs that I like I'll most likely keep one genny wicked with ceramics....but I'm going through a NET phase right now.Although I've heard that 5 pawns is coming out with a line of juice that has an alternative to PG called 1,3 propanediol,that supposedly doesn't cause the dreaded PG allergy...if so, then I could start using it instead of PG and that would be a godsend...supposedly it carries flavor almost as well as PG, and makes better vapor than PG...using that I could go back to vaping on ceramics.
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Have you tried stainless steel cable for your nets?
I'm behind the curve with liquids, I've been DIYing for a while now. NET I've heard of but have never tried. Stainless cable did work well for me both with an Ekowool sock over the top and stainless steel mesh wrap.
No, I haven't ..is there some reason I should try cable with NETs? what's it's advantage.I haven't used cable very much it didn't seem to wick any better than mesh,
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Stainless cable wicks alot more efficiently and is easier to clean than mesh wicks
Yep torch it red hot and reuse.
I don't really clean mesh wicks I just toss them and roll a new one....I might torch a wick once and wrap a new coil on it, but usually just once......so if you wrap a ss mesh sleeve around the top of the cable does it gunk up the cable too, or does it stay clean and you just have to rebuild the sleeve.or does the cable gunk uo to.....wicking is not a problem for me with ss mesh. how do you clean cable torch it or drop it in alcohol....That maybe a good idea..I'll give it a shot..if I could just rewrap a new top sleeve and torch the cable it would save time.
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The mesh will get gunked up but the mesh usually doesn't.
redo that pancho please, I think I know what you mean but I want to be sure.by the way do you vape NETs
Sorry I'm on my phone and it like to auto fill..
The mesh will gunk up but the cable wont. For the most part.
The mesh will gunk up but the cable wont. For the most part.
How did you like the Eko wool wrap on the cable?
personally I didn't care for the ekowrap on cable, I much preferred mesh....
but have you vaped this wick with NETs they get pretty nasty.....
I get my nets from ethervapes.com and they don't gunk my wicks to badly. I haven't tried from any place else though
I used to use the Eko on cable for my tobacco flavors and it was good although it didn't seem to last all that long. I did various things with it, made a sock that was longer than need be, separated strands of the Eko and spread them across the deck as well as the loose end. Did the same and put the Eko through a second wick hole but at the time didn't have enough power to overcome the excess liquid.
I prefer straight mesh as well or mesh on cable. I've been curious about pulling the center strand out of some cable and trying it in the NextGen just to see how it acts but also think it might get the atomizer too hot.
Found some pictures.
Cable U wick with Eko sleeve, thinking about it this may have been the one I didn't have enough power to vaporize the excess liquid at the time.
Kanthal ribbon on mesh on cable.
Customized cap to put the air right on the coil.
Ribbon on Eko on cable.
And the typical mod head Eko on cable.
Eko U wick with dual contact coils.
Another good genny although the 2ml goes quickly is the Slimzy mini slightly customized and dual wicked.
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Well I tried the cable with a mesh sock, and it wicks good, flavor is fine, the only draw back I can see with cable is it's mass...there is so much metal in the wick it seems it tends to act as a heat sink, it carries more heat and holds it longer in the tank, than mesh does..... it seems it cooks the flavor out of the juice more than a mesh wick.....you can hold a cable wick and a mesh wick in your hand and the cable wick is much heavier than a mesh wick, there is more metal and I think it acts like more of a heat sink......I'm going to cut the cable a couple of three mm shorter and see if that helps so there is less wick sitting in the juice...you really tear through the juice with this set up...I'm goona play with diffrent mesh sizes and diffrent lengths of sock material to see which works best, in some ways the wick wicks too fast,but it could just be a matter of finding the right tilt.
If that's the case you could also try using a smaller diameter cable. Since it wicks better than mesh the fact that the wick hole isn't covered up doesn't affect wicking as much
I used to use the Eko on cable for my tobacco flavors and it was good although it didn't seem to last all that long. I did various things with it, made a sock that was longer than need be, separated strands of the Eko and spread them across the deck as well as the loose end. Did the same and put the Eko through a second wick hole but at the time didn't have enough power to overcome the excess liquid.
I prefer straight mesh as well or mesh on cable. I've been curious about pulling the center strand out of some cable and trying it in the NextGen just to see how it acts but also think it might get the atomizer too hot.
Found some pictures.
Cable U wick with Eko sleeve, thinking about it this may have been the one I didn't have enough power to vaporize the excess liquid at the time.
Kanthal ribbon on mesh on cable.
Customized cap to put the air right on the coil.
Ribbon on Eko on cable.
And the typical mod head Eko on cable.
Eko U wick with dual contact coils.
Another good genny although the 2ml goes quickly is the Slimzy mini slightly customized and dual wicked.
For whatever reason it has generally been thought that mesh is the best wick for tobaccos, in regards to flavor,.....cotton in regards to ease of changing out wicks....the mesh sock on the cable gave me good flavor, I don't know if I'm just resistant to change,but I thought the whole mesh wick gave just a little bit better flavor.
I was using 3/32, I'd have to go down to 1/16....might work in regards to cooking the juice,but I think you'd still want the sock to stay the same diameter.since the sock isn't transfering heat to the juice in the tank