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Simply Red

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I entered a contest thread at ECF and actually won a TFV4 mini on 12/04. Have yet to see or hear anything from Koopor/Smok so, I sent them an email Sunday morning. Haven't gotten a response from that either. This is what I sent...



I've been sitting here this morning thinking and contemplating where to send this or if I should post this in the "Wow! Koopor & Smok Giveaway - 200 Koopor Plus and 200 TFV4 Mini's to be won" thread at ECF and decided to send it to you guys first. If I were to post it there, there are sympathetic ninnies that would be extremely "butt hurt" and would tell me to back off but, they are not the ones that 1) held the contest and, 2) might have even won something.

The way I figure it is this. If you're going to hold a contest and give away "X" number of mods and "X" number of tanks, HAVE THEM READY TO SHIP! Stick a "Congratulation" note in the package, print the postage, stick it on the box and SEND IT OUT!! Koopor/Smok have peoples addresses. What's the HOLD UP?? Put a dedicated employee on the task and "Git Er Done!". Gonna do the contest during a busy time of the year?? PLAN FOR IT!

I mean what's the point of winning something if you don't get the actual winnings. Heaven forbid you look for a company to follow through with something they said they would do. How dare anyone hold anyone accountable anymore?? What kind of society would we be if no one had to follow through or were held accountable for there actions?


ECF held the contest. Koopor and Smok are supplying the prizes. We all did our part and entered the contest as required, filled out the form ECF required with our addresses and waited. (I won a TFV4 on December 4th) On December 7th, low_tar_neil said in a "Private Message", "I imagine they are waiting for all the names before shipping, so they will get the rest this week, hopefully very soon after that, I know they were good last time.". The end of that week was December 11. Now, it's 3 weeks later and most, if not all, of us have not heard a word from anyone. There were several members in that "PM" and some had even requested a color preference of the TFV4 that they won. Still no response.

I understand MadVapes will be, or has, received the prizes to be sent out to the U.S. winners. On December 28, I called Koopor and left a message for "Mike", with one of my email addresses and requested a response be emailed to me with the status of the prizes going out. Still no response.

So, my question is this. Does Koopor/Smok intend on making good on the contest or should I post the "above thoughts" on every single forum I am a member of? I'm pretty sure ECF gained a lot of membership due to the contests they hold. I would hate to think that said contests are only a way to increase membership with suppliers/companies not following through and awarding prizes as promised.

I await your reply.

Sincerely,
Simply Red at ECF



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congrats on winning! Good thing its not dependant on waiting for them to het a sense of humor.
 

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Thanks, dude! I've read where people have waited m.o.n.t.h.s. to get prizes they've won which, imo, is complete bullshit. Hence the "The way I figure it..." paragraph.
 

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Haha! I totally agree with that. If you're going to run a contest that big, take some steps to prepare.
Then again, that's if you care about your reputation....this after all ecf
 

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It might be a little more "tolerable" (and I use that term loosely) if someone, either Koopor, Smok or someone from ECF, would just give an update. I've asked for one and have been ignored.
 

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Chinese companies are in no hurry to giveaway free stuff. They conduct contests for 2 reasons...

1. They just want your email contact info.
2. They want to look like they are cool to the public.

In the end, it's free. You'll get it when you get it, if at all (is the way the Chinese businessman thinks).
 

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It might be a little more "tolerable" (and I use that term loosely) if someone, either Koopor, Smok or someone from ECF, would just give an update. I've asked for one and have been ignored.
I reckon. FastTech anyone?? :D
It might be a little more "tolerable" (and I use that term loosely) if someone, either Koopor, Smok or someone from ECF, would just give an update. I've asked for one and have been ignored.
It might be a little more "tolerable" (and I use that term loosely) if someone, either Koopor, Smok or someone from ECF, would just give an update. I've asked for one and have been ignored.
Good luck !I hope u get it
 

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Chinese companies are in no hurry to giveaway free stuff. They conduct contests for 2 reasons...

1. They just want your email contact info.
2. They want to look like they are cool to the public.

In the end, it's free. You'll get it when you get it, if at all (is the way the Chinese businessman thinks).
Sorry but on this one I think you're wrong there.
It was not a contest run by a Chinese company. It was a contest put on by ecf. The prize just happens to be a Chinese made mod or atty. It's also being distributed by madvapes. Had ecf Intended to make contestants wait for kooper or smok that should have been disclosed at the time of the contest.

It's ecfs way of panhandling for membership. In typical asshat ecf fashion, the didn't tell anyone about having to wait for some third; and, in this case fourth party, until AFTER some 'winner' went looking for them to keep their end of a bargain
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Sorry but on this one I think you're wrong there.
It was not a contest run by a Chinese company. It was a contest put on by ecf. The prize just happens to be a Chinese made mod or atty. It's also being distributed by madvapes. Had ecf Intended to make contestants wait for kooper or smok that should have been disclosed at the time of the contest.

It's ecfs way of panhandling for membership

And they sure did up their membership now, didn't they? Saw several new members posting for the contest. ECF should've made sure Koopor and Smok were ready.
 

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And they sure did up their membership now, didn't they? Saw several new members posting for the contest. ECF should've made sure Koopor and Smok were ready.
If they were just upfront and honest that would be different, Red. Had they said from the start that it was handled someone else, that would be different. Or of they cared about there image they would gave made sure this was handled in a timely fashion. But begging for membership, only to.piss them off is just stupid.
 

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If they were just upfront and honest that would be different, Red. Had they said from the start that it was handled someone else, that would be different. Or of they cared about there image they would gave made sure this was handled in a timely fashion. But begging for membership, only to.piss them off is just stupid.

And I can't point the finger at MadVapes either. For all I know, they haven't gotten the product from Koopor/Smok yet. Appearently, membership is all that counts to ECF. Reputation means nothing.
 

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And I can't point the finger at MadVapes either. For all I know, they haven't gotten the product from Koopor/Smok yet. Appearently, membership is all that counts to ECF. Reputation means nothing.
So long as you are a member that does not believe in freedom of speech, thought, or vape style.
And, don't even try and argue with someone without proper grammar or spelling.
Bad member! No donut!
 

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Prediction: By this time next year, MV will no longer have a relationship with Smok.
 

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Because they still won't have the contestants gear?
 

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So long as you are a member that does not believe in freedom of speech, thought, or vape style.
And, don't even try and argue with someone without proper grammar or spelling.
Bad member! No donut!

I know. They didn't give me one when I was in their "Sin Bin". Seriously? Sin Bin?? Can we grow up just a bit?
 

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From a post in the origional thread...

...As a little FYI, I sent a request for some info through Madvapes "Contact Us" page. Just got a response from a Katie Lauer at Madvapes, that they are NOT aware of being the ones distributing this here in the USA, and they do not have any stock...

Seriously?? (here comes that word again) What a bunch of BULLSHIT!!

Thus far, I'm seeing it as a scam to gain membership. Nothing more.
 

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Omg dude,really???
So ecf sends you to madvapes and madvapes has no clue what's up and doesn't have any smok gear in house? And smok still won't respond?
What has the dmz said?
 

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Omg dude,really???
So ecf sends you to madvapes and madvapes has no clue what's up and doesn't have any smok gear in house? And smok still won't respond?
What has the dmz said?

Nothing. No responses to PM's. No responses to folks inquiries in the contest thread itself. No answers to emails. I'm taking it as a "We don't have time for you little peoples." type attitude.
 

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Nothing. No responses to PM's. No responses to folks inquiries in the contest thread itself. No answers to emails. I'm taking it as a "We don't have time for you little peoples." type attitude.
Classwife and fucktard1 have them under their bed.
 
I was one of the winners of the Smok "cloud machine kit" (xcube2 and tfv4), run by ECF.
It was almost a couple of months I had to wait to get my prize, in all that time I was virtually ignored every time I tried to find out what was going on from ECF.
Smok got in touch with me about a month and a half in, and kept me pretty well informed with what was going on.
It was a massive fuckin shit show on ECF's side of it, they were absolutely useless.

Next, I won a cloupor mini plus in the next contest (which I gave away to someone that needed it more than I did), cloupor only took a couple of weeks to get it to me this time, and they were very HELPFUL, unlike ECF AGAIN.

Then I won another contest (global cloud competition survey 2015, or some other ridiculous similar name), for another same Smok "cloud machine kit", this time directly from Smok themselves (bear in mind this was VERY soon after the ECF Smok contest), my prize arrived in under 2 weeks from the date of winning.
It appears that the first Smok contest was mainly run by the fuckwits at ECF and they just fucked right up, because when they weren't involved, it all went VERY smoothly.

ECF's whole attitude to the winners, was basically "go fuck yourselves, we don't give a shit, you'll get it when you get it".

As a side note, both of my Xcube2's are absolutely useless in TC mode, both have got pretty big differences between the way they look, Smok's consistency is absolute bullshit.
Both tfv4's leak like mad (the first tanks I've ever had leaking issues with).

Sorry for the mass of text.

Tl;dr Smok is shit, ECF is worse.

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I'd put this on the manufacturers. When they did a Joyetech contest, I won and the product was shipped direct from Joyetech in a couple weeks. Is there anything Smoktech makes that's worth a damn?
 

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I was one of the winners of the Smok "cloud machine kit" (xcube2 and tfv4), run by ECF.
It was almost a couple of months I had to wait to get my prize, in all that time I was virtually ignored every time I tried to find out what was going on from ECF.
Smok got in touch with me about a month and a half in, and kept me pretty well informed with what was going on.
It was a massive fuckin shit show on ECF's side of it, they were absolutely useless.

Next, I won a cloupor mini plus in the next contest (which I gave away to someone that needed it more than I did), cloupor only took a couple of weeks to get it to me this time, and they were very HELPFUL, unlike ECF AGAIN.

Then I won another contest (global cloud competition survey 2015, or some other ridiculous similar name), for another same Smok "cloud machine kit", this time directly from Smok themselves (bear in mind this was VERY soon after the ECF Smok contest), my prize arrived in under 2 weeks from the date of winning.
It appears that the first Smok contest was mainly run by the fuckwits at ECF and they just fucked right up, because when they weren't involved, it all went VERY smoothly.

ECF's whole attitude to the winners, was basically "go fuck yourselves, we don't give a shit, you'll get it when you get it".

As a side note, both of my Xcube2's are absolutely useless in TC mode, both have got pretty big differences between the way they look, Smok's consistency is absolute bullshit.
Both tfv4's leak like mad (the first tanks I've ever had leaking issues with).

Sorry for the mass of text.

Tl;dr Smok is shit, ECF is worse.

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They're all a bunch of fuckterds! Awesome some of your stuff came "quickly" but, you're right with the dickheads at ECF. They don't give a shit about us folks or they would, at least, have the courtesy to answer with "We're working on it" or "Go fuck yourself". There's no communication from them at all and Koopor/Smok is just as bad. I followed up with another email to them 2 days ago...

To whom it may concern: (yeah, right)

I've been informed, from a reliable source, that MadVapes knows nothing about distributing the prizes won at ECF and they do not have any in stock. Is it your intent to just screw the "little people" and have some deal worked out with ECF to help them gain membership? Are you not going to award the prizes to the folks that entered this, possibly apparent, scam of a contest??

No emails from anyone. No replies from "private messages" at ECF. No responses to anyone's posts in the contest thread. What is one to think??

I'm also beginning to wonder if anyone has the nerve to answer my emails, considering it's been 3 days since I sent the previous.

Still awaiting your reply.

Simply Red at ECF


Nothing. I'm thinking about blowing up their phone lines again until I get some kind of an answer. What's the worst they can do? Hang up on me? It's not so much the tank at this point as the principal.
 

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I'd put this on the manufacturers. When they did a Joyetech contest, I won and the product was shipped direct from Joyetech in a couple weeks. Is there anything Smoktech makes that's worth a damn?

That might be because I believe Joyetech has a USA presence. Kanger, Aspire, Innokin, Ismoka/Eleaf, and Ovale have US distribution centers, too. I could be wrong about Joyetech, but I don't think I am. If your prize was shipped from the USA, that would confirm this. Not to mention, even thugh all of them are less-than perfect, Smok certainly is anywhere near perfect.

Is there anything Smoktech makes that's worth a damn?

I hear ya. It's a shame. Smok puts a lot of effort into making very sophisticated and classy looking stuff (IMHO anyway), but their innards and the company as a whole is utter shite. Their products are usually quite a few cards shy of a full deck.
 

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Put em on blast and keep digging.

So, I went to the Koopor web site (link from ECF contest page) clicked on the "support" tab and called the number again. Talked to "Katie" in customer service. They...know...nothing about any contest or prizes. They're just a "warranty supplier", for lack of a better term. She suggested I contact Smok. I sent the manager my origional email. Can we say...."WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!??" Still calling BULLSHIT!!
 

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I'm thinking you folks got scammed, there was no real giveaway, just a pathetic membership cattle call.
 

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They did. Madvapes has no idea WTF they are talking about.
 

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Im tellin ya red. Follow the trail, I did it with whiteout.
call every person, company and thing that has anything to do with it. Whether they claim to; or, not.
Turn them all on each other and watch how fast someone does something and crawls out from under their rock.
 

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Some peoples over there think ECF can do no wrong. Smh... I found a thread called "Still don't have my prize" and figured I'd check it out. Appearently, there's been other "problems" with other contests. (Go figure) Came across a post from 12/9 and one of their "loyal fans" is, well, "very supportive". Gag me.

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Putting them on blast is step1, step2 is to start shaking the tree
 

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low_tar_neil is posting like a fiend now trying to do damage control. Hahaha!!
 

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low_tar_neil is posting like a fiend now trying to do damage control. Hahaha!!
Just keep shaking the tre, bro.
Call kooper. Madvapes, smok, smoks distributor, call ecf sponsors and ask if they know about any nefarious business dealings.word things as a question, you can ask any question you want but you can't accuse.
 

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Man I am still waiting for Jeepercreeper to send me my juice I won 2 years ago almost to the day.
Same with that scaming outfit vapecrafter.
 

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Man I am still waiting for Jeepercreeper to send me my juice I won 2 years ago almost to the day.
Same with that scaming outfit vapecrafter.

Holy shit! 2 years?? I gotta call BULLSHIT on that! That's just wrong, dude and ridiculous. Yet another vendor not held accountable.
 

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Anyone wanna bet I don't hear back from Smok? :confused:
The idea is for them to call each other. You want them pissed at each other for making each other look bad
-just sayin
 
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I won an Innokin Disrupter from ECF contest and got it in about 2 or 3 weeks. Gal in China contacted me and shipped. Course Innokin has it's shit together.
 

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Some peoples over there think ECF can do no wrong. Smh... I found a thread called "Still don't have my prize" and figured I'd check it out. Appearently, there's been other "problems" with other contests. (Go figure) Came across a post from 12/9 and one of their "loyal fans" is, well, "very supportive". Gag me.

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Less than 2 hours after ^^^that post, a new thread was started called "ECF Giveways - shipping updates and this was posted...

SMOK/Koopor - these are on their way from China to their local hub, in the US Madvapes are responsible, but as they haven't got them yet it will be a little while before they are on their way to you.

Interesting.
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Less than 2 hours after ^^^that post, a new thread was started called "ECF Giveways - shipping updates and this was posted...

SMOK/Koopor - these are on their way from China to their local hub, in the US Madvapes are responsible, but as they haven't got them yet it will be a little while before they are on their way to you.

Interesting.
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Can you pm that to me? I can't read it :(
 

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