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Exactly.. Show it, I'll show it.. Talk shit, and I'll talk shit back.
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ECC BANS ALL CLONES FROM BEING SOLD
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Midniteoyl
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Agreed...
You'd think he'd recall one of the original mods, named the Screwdriver. ;-)
http://www.cavecom.com/screwdriverSD/shopSD/mk1sdkits.shtml
Not to mention the Roughstack and a few others.
Hell, the Panzer mech looks a lot like a certain flashlight that has been made since 2011...
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Try going to B&M stores Joe... I've had several try to pass clones off to me as authentic with the authentic price tag. I'm not the only one either. Would it be right to sell a fake Rolex at the same price as the original Rolex? Even coping the second hand 1/1? Both tell time. Or a Burberry wallet? (200 USD for one of those) that just holds money? A Mont Blanc for 400-2K USD that merely writes? A pair of Johnson and Murphy shoes that you wear on your feet? Bobby Jones Golf Shirt 200-400 USD? The entire inventory of Saks Fifth Avenue and Nordstroms? If expensive shit is so overpriced, why the HELL do they sell? Heck even middle income Dillards can be considered overpriced, just buy all your clothes from Goodwill and Salvation Army, at least then you know your paying what you would in materials. Better yet, make your own clothes!! All you need is a sewing machine!
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FLASH: ECC Vendor sells clone as authentic (tobh), gets served papers and is escorted out the building. This is why fucking clones were banned. THIEF'S selling clones. Good Day. Do not defy the rules.
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Link and proof?
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Look it up on Fb like I did. I have no investment in fabricating stories. FYI No Clone policy in Texas as well at VapeSummit. We can't fight China but we can successfully control what's peddled by thieves .
oh well if it was on facebook it MUST be true!
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I did a search on FB, Twitter and Reddit and a general search via google/bing.. Could find nothing. That is why I asked 
So...they banned clones and some unscrupulous seller sold one as an authentic anyways...tsk, tsk...
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Clone at ECC. Hahhahahahahahahaaaaaaa
http://www.eccvapors.com/The-Gaia-p210.html
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This has to be the most hotly debated subject in the vaping community.
The funny thing is I don't believe that clone makers are hurting the "authentic "makers at all. Most people who buy clones wouldn't pay the price the "authentic " makers ask for their products anyway. The people that buy authentic products will continue to buy them and the people that buy clones will continue to buy them. No business is lost on either end.
And you can't tell me that the clones wouldn't exist without the authentic ones. Somebody has already made "authentic " products at clone prices, or at least much lower prices. Examples include, the Vulcan, every rda Youde makes, the CLT, the Mutation X, etc, etc.
If nothing else it should be a wake up call for manufacturers. It's time to start charging reasonable prices if you plan on competing
The funny thing is I don't believe that clone makers are hurting the "authentic "makers at all. Most people who buy clones wouldn't pay the price the "authentic " makers ask for their products anyway. The people that buy authentic products will continue to buy them and the people that buy clones will continue to buy them. No business is lost on either end.
And you can't tell me that the clones wouldn't exist without the authentic ones. Somebody has already made "authentic " products at clone prices, or at least much lower prices. Examples include, the Vulcan, every rda Youde makes, the CLT, the Mutation X, etc, etc.
If nothing else it should be a wake up call for manufacturers. It's time to start charging reasonable prices if you plan on competing
those prices... for clones...
Looking there makes my ass hurt.
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If clones were truly hurting sales of authentic devices, then it should be safe to assume that authentic devices would be in stock
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If they were in stock they wouldn't be able to charge so much.If clones were truly hurting sales of authentic devices, then it should be safe to assume that authentic devices would be in stock
Demand + no supply = $$$$
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First off I'd like to say; Thanks Whiskey! I believe my sunglasses look best right where you have them!
I believe your more interested in your own set agenda and your response says that quite clearly! What you call thieves are in fact every bit as entrepreneurial as the majority of authentics who as we've seen in this thread have almost exclusively borrowed someone else's image and had it put on there tube! Were I to get a $100 bill tattooed on my d*** and two $20's (1 on each of my gonads) one could say they blew a $100 and almost got $40 back in change. Would that be counterfeit? clone? or just entrepreneurial on my part? (btw you went to sooooooooooooooooo much trouble to "find some bs about clone at ECC" and bring it here but offer no proof? Do ya drama much? )
You point out that you might successfully control so-called thieves at VapeSummit, but, in the end what is that really doing to help or mitigate the issue as you see it? All you're really telling the vaping masses is "Bring your money bitches! or stay home!" So glad I won't be at VapeSuckit! one more time it's money hungry bitches trying to rape the masses and forget what the real message is! I know you forgot what the real message is so lemme refresh your memory: "I'm off the cancer sticks!"
Sad isn't it? It's about money, but not the way you see it! We need to be fighting those that would hinder or destroy the very vaping community with all it's make's, box's, mods, accessories and juices that make vaping so awesome. Clone or authentic may not matter. Truth is Papaw you aren't seeing the forest for the trees! I'm all for authentics but to deem them worth $300. $400, $500 or more is about taking from the community not giving to it!
I believe your more interested in your own set agenda and your response says that quite clearly! What you call thieves are in fact every bit as entrepreneurial as the majority of authentics who as we've seen in this thread have almost exclusively borrowed someone else's image and had it put on there tube! Were I to get a $100 bill tattooed on my d*** and two $20's (1 on each of my gonads) one could say they blew a $100 and almost got $40 back in change. Would that be counterfeit? clone? or just entrepreneurial on my part? (btw you went to sooooooooooooooooo much trouble to "find some bs about clone at ECC" and bring it here but offer no proof? Do ya drama much? )
You point out that you might successfully control so-called thieves at VapeSummit, but, in the end what is that really doing to help or mitigate the issue as you see it? All you're really telling the vaping masses is "Bring your money bitches! or stay home!" So glad I won't be at VapeSuckit! one more time it's money hungry bitches trying to rape the masses and forget what the real message is! I know you forgot what the real message is so lemme refresh your memory: "I'm off the cancer sticks!"
Sad isn't it? It's about money, but not the way you see it! We need to be fighting those that would hinder or destroy the very vaping community with all it's make's, box's, mods, accessories and juices that make vaping so awesome. Clone or authentic may not matter. Truth is Papaw you aren't seeing the forest for the trees! I'm all for authentics but to deem them worth $300. $400, $500 or more is about taking from the community not giving to it!
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Only up to page 6 of yet another clone V authentic thread...clones have a large share of the vaping market..authentics have a smaller share..if clones really hurt authentics, why is demand still outstripping supply? Makers are finally learning..make an authentic device/atty at an affordable price and make shite loads of them, they will sell! Mutation X, doomaday mod, Vulcan etc are just some examples.
I have both clones and authentics..i use clones mainly cause it performs and if it gets scratched/dented/fubard it did not cost me a couple of hundred dollars. I like my authentics, yes they are made better but i wont take something that cost a pretty penny to work to see it get fuked up.
Big prob with costly authentics is supply! Thats great that some one has made an excellent device thats very high quality but you have to be able to supply it, not many people enjoy the whole F5 battle
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I have both clones and authentics..i use clones mainly cause it performs and if it gets scratched/dented/fubard it did not cost me a couple of hundred dollars. I like my authentics, yes they are made better but i wont take something that cost a pretty penny to work to see it get fuked up.
Big prob with costly authentics is supply! Thats great that some one has made an excellent device thats very high quality but you have to be able to supply it, not many people enjoy the whole F5 battle
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ANGRY BITCHES TRYING TO RAPE..........
Wow. Do ya angry much?
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thanks for your contribution, not! go troll elsewhere
Clone peddlers shouldn't get anything negative done to them as long as the distinction that it isnt authentic is made....people selling clones as authentics should get what they deserve...that is fraud and is likely a felony...
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iJoy? http://www.ijoyecig.com/
As far I know, they MAKE stuff. Their own stuff.
need more info if ya can get it.. Who? And what where they selling? And did they simply sell clones or actual counterfeit? And, did they know they were counterfeit?
Thanks for posting
No one is telling you not to buy what you want, it's your money, go nuts. I'm not sure what you mean by "am I apathetic to you as well"..,
If you're asking if I think, based upon your previous statement, you sounded uncaring and apathetic towards those who aren't as fortunate as you, then the answer is yes. You didn't really address that so I don't know why that initial impression would've changed, in fact you strengthened my point by confirming much of what I had said. Listen, it's one thing to be financially comfortable, but that doesn't mean you have to be insensitive to others out there who may not have had all of the opportunities and options you were given in your life. Know what I mean?
Obviously s/he doesnt know what you mean or s/he would have caught on to what you were saying to begin with.....
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Were they selling clones as authentics?
Where they the only ones served with C&D?
Was it Njoy that served them?
To many questions not enough solid facts as of yet.
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Same.. im sure it will all come out.
Honestly something smells totally fucky with how this whole ecc thing went down to begin with and now this and on the last day.
Sound like some PR bullshit.
I'm not gonna read this whole thread, but I only have clones, so there's my stance. If they wanted to ban clones at the event, they had an obligation to make that known to vendors prior to purchasing booths.
As far as ijoye selling a clone as authentic, fuck them if that's true. Also, I was a process server for over a year and a half, crazy fucking job, anyway, if they were served properly, they can tear up the papers, wipe their ass with em, whatever. They were served, and that's that. They will be obligated by law to comply with whatever was contained in said papers, so tearing them up was a foolish attention grab, if this is all accurate.
I'm so sick of this clone vs. authentic crap.
As far as ijoye selling a clone as authentic, fuck them if that's true. Also, I was a process server for over a year and a half, crazy fucking job, anyway, if they were served properly, they can tear up the papers, wipe their ass with em, whatever. They were served, and that's that. They will be obligated by law to comply with whatever was contained in said papers, so tearing them up was a foolish attention grab, if this is all accurate.
I'm so sick of this clone vs. authentic crap.
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So I'm trying to understand. Some one handed them a cease and desist order for clones that may or may not have their stolen logo design on it? As far as I know it's not a counterfeit unless they claim it's authentic and they never have.
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God damn I can't believe how heated people are getting over this shit, hahah..
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A C&D letter is not a court order.. I can send one to any one on this board.
served papers? wtf does that mean? cease and desist or what? you'll be sued? arrested?
I have been served fish in newspaper at several chippies on the northwest English coast
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IJOY sells clones not counterfeit. They are a Chinese company...and it was a CnD order...not a lawsuit. It was an attempt to bully clone sellers....what it did, was push people more towards clones...good job you greedy fucktards....can we say backfire.
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chinese companies get served lawsuits here in the states all the time....nothing ever comes of it unless its a company dealing with hundreds of millions of dollars.
I agree it seems like the whole damn thing was orchestrated
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anyone with written permission and or a license can serve you legal papers. The papers are documented through the courts but are not by the courts.
yea but it's not the same as "you have to go to court or go to jail" being served.
right?
right?
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not to mention, ijoy has more money backing them than the company that served them, and we will be able to see who served them, by tomorrow or tuesday at the latest.