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No, I haven't....I've tried alot of NET juices from other people like Walker's tobacco alternative, Clay Packard at www.NET,and they are good, but I find my own extracts to be as good if not better,and I get to use tobaccos,and tobacco blends I really like...recently I'm looking at growing my own tobacco so I can have a tobacco I know is not sprayed with pesticides....also from my experince with food I know varities and how something is grown can,the soil it's grown in really affect flavor.
Only if Inawera's "absolutes" and Hangsen's "essences" and a couple other Chinese/Japanese tobacco-derived flavorings count. I've never messed with the tar-consistency stuff you can buy that has to be diluted just to use it as flavoring. Oh, and never extracted any tobacco myself, either. (Couldn't do that; if there was real tobacco around, I know I'd smoke it.) I'm hesitant on all of these, just don't know which molecules are extracted that I might prefer to avoid, haven't been able to find that info, so I prefer to stick with flavorings. Actually, most of the time, I'd rather vape a cookie.
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mmmm thx to mama j's and some newly purchased Anise, its yum enjoy.
anise 1%, cookie .5%, Vanilla bouron .5% classic .5% and tahiti .5%, Butterscotch .5% and Marshmallow .5% - I added 1 drop of menthol to brighten it all and ive vaped the text mix of 3 ml in about an hour lol. Enjoy.. YMMV ohh it was a shake and vape.
anise 1%, cookie .5%, Vanilla bouron .5% classic .5% and tahiti .5%, Butterscotch .5% and Marshmallow .5% - I added 1 drop of menthol to brighten it all and ive vaped the text mix of 3 ml in about an hour lol. Enjoy.. YMMV ohh it was a shake and vape.
The shut off doesn't matter, because you tare in between adding each component in any event. I have a $15 Horizon scale from Amazon, and it works beautifully!
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Palmscale 8.0 from http://www.oldwillknottscales.com/my-weigh-palmscale8-advance-300.html works amazing and comes with a 200 gram calibration weight. little pricey but i think its worth it
I think Anise is one of the most overlooked great flavors. A lot of people think it's licorice and refuse to try it. It's so goooood with all citrus and berries and vanilla, adds bright sweetness - everyone ought to try it, even licorice-haters. Reading what you've written, I want to try anise marshmallows now.
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I'm a licorice hater - but I remembered I LOVE biscotti....long story short: my mamma j's order with anise in it is on it's way to my door!!!!!
I have dreams of anise, cookie, some cocoa and a dash of almond in my head....
whether or not it'll actually taste like a chocolate dipped almond biscotti is another story.
with my luck it'll end up tasting like the container they come in.
I have dreams of anise, cookie, some cocoa and a dash of almond in my head....
whether or not it'll actually taste like a chocolate dipped almond biscotti is another story.
with my luck it'll end up tasting like the container they come in.
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I can't give enough credit to who ever made this, but it's a clone of Radiator Pluid. I hate eating black licorice, but for some odd reason, I love to cape it.
6% Absinthe
3% Kiwi
3% Orange
3% Mandarin
2% Marshmallow
1% Licorice
All FA Flavors. And I Can't make enough of it!
6% Absinthe
3% Kiwi
3% Orange
3% Mandarin
2% Marshmallow
1% Licorice
All FA Flavors. And I Can't make enough of it!
It depends on what it is. Vg, pg, nic and flavorings all weigh different.
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that sounds really good
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Indeed it was great, Im on a anise kick now but count me in as one of those licorice hater.I think Anise is one of the most overlooked great flavors. Reading what you've written, I want to try anise marshmallows now.
Here is my latest experiment.
anise 1.36% cardamom .68% Fiji apple .68% banana 1% Vienna cream 1% fresh cream 1% and a cinnamon topper at .32%
in the same order with regards to drops - 4,2,2,3,3,3,1- for a 9ml batch (33 drops per ml)
shake and vape
Hope you enjoy it as much as i am but, as always YMMV
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Pretty simple. There are some calculators that do the weights for you, but you can just use any and multiply the mls of what you need by the weight. So if it calls for 1 ml of x flavoring that weighs 1.1 grams per ml, you would need 1.1 grams of x flavoring. You can weigh a syringe, tare it, put 1 ml of flavoring or whatever in it, weigh it agian. That will give you the weight per ml. Get it?
I don't come on here much, but ONLY because it was down, I was jonesing pretty bad. Missed you guys.
On the scale thing, is there a chart somewhere of gram weights, or do you have to look up MSDS sheets for every ingredient?
Is there an e-liquid calculator that figures grams as well as ml?
I've been using those carto condom thingiess as measuring cups, like baking - the ones I have just happen to be 1ml, then I cut some up to .25, .5, etc. Smallest batch I've been mixing has been 30ml. Thinking I might have to step it up, now that I'm hanging out here...
Missed you guys.On the scale thing, is there a chart somewhere of gram weights, or do you have to look up MSDS sheets for every ingredient?
Is there an e-liquid calculator that figures grams as well as ml?
I've been using those carto condom thingiess as measuring cups, like baking - the ones I have just happen to be 1ml, then I cut some up to .25, .5, etc. Smallest batch I've been mixing has been 30ml. Thinking I might have to step it up, now that I'm hanging out here...
B-b-but I thought I read somewhere that ingredients vary in density...
So the multiplier would vary. Is the variance too little to worry about?
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They do vary.. there is a mixing by weight thread here that will give you basic different weights, but I would just check them how I described. Oh btw, I dont weigh my 100 mg nic. Still use a syringe for that. That is the one measurment i dont want to mess up. But this method saves so much time on flavorings. I think you can get away with just the diffenent weights for pg and vg... meaning you dont have to weigh each flavoring you have.B-b-but I thought I read somewhere that ingredients vary in density...
So the multiplier would vary. Is the variance too little to worry about?
I believe ejuicemeup does weight.I don't come on here much, but ONLY because it was down, I was jonesing pretty bad.Missed you guys.
On the scale thing, is there a chart somewhere of gram weights, or do you have to look up MSDS sheets for every ingredient?
Is there an e-liquid calculator that figures grams as well as ml?
I've been using those carto condom thingiess as measuring cups, like baking - the ones I have just happen to be 1ml, then I cut some up to .25, .5, etc. Smallest batch I've been mixing has been 30ml. Thinking I might have to step it up, now that I'm hanging out here...
Missed you guys.
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What she said ^^^^^^. Jonesing bad!I don't come on here much, but ONLY because it was down, I was jonesing pretty bad.
On the scale thing, is there a chart somewhere of gram weights, or do you have to look up MSDS sheets for every ingredient?
Is there an e-liquid calculator that figures grams as well as ml?
I've been using those carto condom thingiess as measuring cups, like baking - the ones I have just happen to be 1ml, then I cut some up to .25, .5, etc. Smallest batch I've been mixing has been 30ml. Thinking I might have to step it up, now that I'm hanging out here...
I predilute my nic - 750ml into a chianti bottle, so I just top off with it. I only measure flavors now. Thanks, I'll look for that thread.
...and here's the link: http://vapingunderground.com/thread...-have-gathered-for-flavors.39963/#post-222239
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Awesome find.
Working my way through the recipes here and testing individual flavours I make a lot of 5 and 10 ml samples. Does anyone find weighing more efficient for small quantities? 1% of a 5ml would be roughly .05 gms for many flavours. Are the garden-variety scales from Amazon accurate enough to do this? You would also have to make a table of the desired cumulative weight at each step as you add each ingredient to the bottle. Is this faster or more accurate than using syringes?
I do much the same. I make pre-made base at 80% VG using my glass cylinders. I use this base to Experiment/Mix samples for quick easy convenience. I learned from Hic/Wllmc the beauty of using drops to experiment and/or make sample flavors to vape.
Ive also learned, if I really like the vape, I dont fuck around. I get out my glass cylinders and make larger batches and store in 4 OZ bottles. Some juices I make 8 OZ or more ( 3 vapers in the family and I give it away from time to time)
I also ( many of you will think this is crazy) use the same syringe for several flavors. I put water in a beaker and have a paper towel laying around and I quickly fill and squirt out the water a few times in between flavors, wipe the syringe needle, pull the syringe back just a tad ( just in case there is a bit of residual flavor from the last flavor that I just used...the fill it up with the next flavor.
I can mix so fast it makes my head swim
I had bought boxes of 100 different sized syringes cheap off Ebay or Amazon ( its been a year of so) and I have so many syringes that it really doesent matter if I throw them away or not. But I usually just run hot water through them a few quick times and leave water in them for a day or so, or until I think about squirting the water out of them and setting them back into some of my glass beakers.
Right or wrong, thats how I do it. ( I wont tell you that many times I lick the syringe off in-between flavors...It helps an old man like me remember exactly what flavor I just added and why.
Damn... I havent rambled like that in a while... excuse the interuption.
Drops are pretty Badass for small samples and small batches. I remember one day I was talking to Hic and he had made a NEW juice and was vaping it in the time that it had taken his coffee to brew in the kitchen. Two amazing things just happened I thought. Number one: he knew his flavorings so well that he could just make a new one from scratch that quickly. Number 2: Using drops accurately..soooo damn fast made it seem like mixing would be less of a chore.
I have set my sights on learning both techniques ever since, and I must say that it is much more fun and is no longer a chore.
Thanks Mr. H. I. Clouds
Im sure that doing it by weight is very fast as well once you get the hang of it and the weights of the liquids figured out. It seems to me you will be putting your juice flavors in a syring anyway and you might need a very steady "thumb" to dispense "just the right amount" of flavor in a bottle on the scale. Once you put the flavor in a bottle of other mixed flavors, theres no taking back a tad of it if you accidentally put too much in ( an uneducated opinion...I have precision digital scales but have never mixed with them....laziness on my part)
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You need your flavors in dropper bottles for mixing by weight.Drops are pretty Badass for small samples and small batches. I remember one day I was talking to Hic and he had made a NEW juice and was vaping it in the time that it had taken his coffee to brew in the kitchen. Two amazing things just happened I thought. Number one: he knew his flavorings so well that he could just make a new one from scratch that quickly. Number 2: Using drops accurately..soooo damn fast made it seem like mixing would be less of a chore.
I have set my sights on learning both techniques ever since, and I must say that it is much more fun and is no longer a chore.
Thanks Mr. H. I. Clouds
Im sure that doing it by weight is very fast as well once you get the hang of it and the weights of the liquids figured out. It seems to me you will be putting your juice flavors in a syring anyway and you might need a very steady "thumb" to dispense "just the right amount" of flavor in a bottle on the scale. Once you put the flavor in a bottle of other mixed flavors, theres no taking back a tad of it if you accidentally put too much in ( an uneducated opinion...I have precision digital scales but have never mixed with them....laziness on my part)
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I love my scale. you can drop it, squeeze it, pour it lol. just keep your eyes on the numbers. Just make sure you get one that reads 0.01 grams. They are great for small batch stuff or bulk mixing. I dont really get into what all the flavors weigh. most of them are close enough it doesnt really matter. I noticed the alcohol based flavors weigh less than PG flavors but that doesnt even really matter, once you decided the amount you want to use then it will always be the same. If that makes any sense lol.
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one more thing. I started with syringes like everyone else then changed to drops and stuck with weight. all methods are close enough. I never had to change recipes or adjust them as I switched methods. Its all about what makes you warm and fuzzy. Im lazy and hate cleaning up lol. so drops and weight are Ideal for me. I used to burn through syringes because I cant bring myself to re use them. I always have this feeling I didnt get them clean enough. I have 3 giant syringes I use for VG PG and nic, thats it and a bag of throw away 3 ml droppers just in case I have a flavor I dont have in a dropper bottle.
Also helpful when mixing by drops. I use flavoring dropper bottles that make 33 drops/ml. I mix juice in 3ml and 6ml bottles.
One drop of flavoring in 3ml = 1%. One drop of flavoring in 6ml = 0.5%.
Since I premix my nic base in bulk, I just add flavoring and fill with nic base.
No math, no calculator, no scale, no measuring, zero cleanup.
Absolute pin from 5 pawns was my ADV for a long time, unfortunately you get these hamfisted ...for want of a better term"juice makers" who just massacre anise by making it overpowering. if a little does a little good alot will do alotta good.I think Anise is one of the most overlooked great flavors. A lot of people think it's licorice and refuse to try it. It's so goooood with all citrus and berries and vanilla, adds bright sweetness - everyone ought to try it, even licorice-haters. Reading what you've written, I want to try anise marshmallows now.
There you go teaching everybody something againAlso helpful when mixing by drops. I use flavoring dropper bottles that make 33 drops/ml. I mix juice in 3ml and 6ml bottles.
One drop of flavoring in 3ml = 1%. One drop of flavoring in 6ml = 0.5%.
Since I premix my nic base in bulk, I just add flavoring and fill with nic base.
No math, no calculator, no scale, no measuring, zero cleanup.
Will it ever end ?
haha I used it because it was the only dark bottle I had at the time. And I can seal it off with one of these:
I concede total class defeat! I'll be mixing in shame from now on.haha I used it because it was the only dark bottle I had at the time. And I can seal it off with one of these:
Not all suppliers are considerate enough to use the nice dropper tips like MamaJ's does. I believe you have said before that you transfer your flavours to the same type of dropper bottles for consistency. If all 5 and 10 ml bottles have the same diameter necks (true?), couldn't we just change all the tips on our existing bottles to be the same so we get the same size drops for everything?Also helpful when mixing by drops. I use flavoring dropper bottles that make 33 drops/ml. I mix juice in 3ml and 6ml bottles.
One drop of flavoring in 3ml = 1%. One drop of flavoring in 6ml = 0.5%.
Since I premix my nic base in bulk, I just add flavoring and fill with nic base.
No math, no calculator, no scale, no measuring, zero cleanup.
Fasttech has these: https://www.fasttech.com/product/1567705 .3" ones and these: https://www.fasttech.com/product/1567702 .38" ones. I assume the larger ones are for 30ml bottles. They also have the nice long thinner ones but they will only fit into taller caps. Going off to measure my bottles now.
Of course the solution is to just buy everything from MamaJ's...
Added: Just tested a bunch of FA, TFA and Capella bottles from various suppliers. The tips were either .3" or .38" depending on the bottle style, regardless of size.
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If only there were a standard. I bought a bunch of dropper tips from Fasttech once, figuring I could snap them in any bottles I had. They were so cheap, I got some of each they had at the time. Only 1 kind fit any of the bottles I had.
So I just bought a good supply of the ones that work for me. I use them for just about everything: flavors, premixed recipes of flavorings, juice.... my coffee sweetener. Thought I'd never run out, but it's time to buy some more now. It's really great to have consistency - makes DIY so much easier!
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Happy Easter to those that celebrate it....I'm not religious but I'm not going to say no to milk chocolate eggs and sausages off the barbecue pit because I'm not either.
I just wanted to post and say that I received my mamma j's order and it was super quick, very well packaged, and not one little teeny tiny mistake....kudos wllmc and jessica for running a tight ship
I just wish I went through more juice than I do so I could give them more business...or that I'd known about mamma j's sooner before I ordered from someplace else
So if anyone is in need of FA flavors or premixed concentrates, you can't go wrong with mamma j's!!!
I just wanted to post and say that I received my mamma j's order and it was super quick, very well packaged, and not one little teeny tiny mistake....kudos wllmc and jessica for running a tight ship
I just wish I went through more juice than I do so I could give them more business...or that I'd known about mamma j's sooner before I ordered from someplace else
So if anyone is in need of FA flavors or premixed concentrates, you can't go wrong with mamma j's!!!
Well I did it after mostly lurking here for the past month or so I ordered my stuff to start mixing. I searched for a 3 or 4 recipes that looked good to me (I think 3 of the 4 were recipes of HIC) and then ordered all of the flavors I could from Mama J's and got the rest of my supplies from RTS and I am going to order VT nic tonight. So by the middle of the week I should be mixing. If it was not for this forum I would not feel so confident of success. I want to thank everyone who post in this thread for all of the great advise. I will let everyone know how my first week of mixing goes later.
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whoo hoo !!! cant wait to hear how it goes
welcome to the club !
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You up the amount of juice you are making to 12ml. That way each drop = 0.25%.
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amazon
look up digital 0.01 gram scale
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I'd rather one be recommended. You guys have way more experience than I do.
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@wllmc Do you have any plans on carrying NIC (VT), PG & VG along with flavorings? Every time I've gone to place an order, BCV has been out of VT 100mg/ml NIC. So I order directly from VT but go elsewhere for flavorings, PG & VG. Since my initial DIY order, I have yet to meet the free shipping threshold. Are vendors mostly repackaging Essential Depot's PG & VG? Thanks and congrats on Momma J's!