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Fully agree Daintanee. Just want to make sure the information is out there for those who don't know about it.
I try to pretend I don't know because I LOVE it! I figure 1% FA cinnamon is better than 6-12% caps custard. Maybe I'm wrong, but is how I justify. I was simply curious on the storage aspect.Fully agree Daintanee. Just want to make sure the information is out there for those who don't know about it.
I heard fa meringue makes fruits candied. I read in Hics flavor reviews....under fa black cherry
ok I'll check that out. Thanks
I don't know if it will work with all fruits....have not tried. I f you don't like meringue taste, you won't get it at .5% or under.ok I'll check that out. Thanks
Several people do use marshmallow to sweeten. I usually use meringue simply because I like it, lol.
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Marshmallow is sweetness with a bit of vanilla and tiny bit of caramel-like something going on.
Meringue is much brighter sweetness with a bit of tangy - awesome with fruits.
Meringue is much brighter sweetness with a bit of tangy - awesome with fruits.
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Yeah I normally vape with cotton but find the break in period annoying when trying flavours for the first time.
That's why i decided to test on silica, while it's not as cotton overall, it doesn't have the break in period and makes for easier flavour changing.
p.s. should have some koh gen do coming my way next week so will be interesting to see what all the fuss is about japanese cotton. Still wish I could get rayon local to try.
Check out your (a?) hairdresser for the rayon. It's the stuff they use when they do perms, when they wrap stuff around your head (at least I think that's what they do with it LOLOL). My hairdresser had a big box in the back (although I'd already bought mine by then)!
@cardassian when people say "rayon" what they are refering to is cellu-cotton normally used in beauty products. Hair stylist use it around the hair line when using dyes and other products to help keep them off the skin.
http://www.fishpond.co.nz/c/Beauty/q/Cellucotton
here is what I found with a quick google search
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The differences in cotton types are silly once you get past the no GMO point. Learn to use organic cotton balls and you will be pleased with it. Best of all, it is practically free, whereas some of the Japanese pads will cost you ten dollars a month.
$10 a month?? I bought Muji from Amazon for $8 for a huge supply:
Not much difference between this and rayon, except it's sometimes slightly easier to work with the cotton!
I use cellu-cotton because it last a long time and has no break-in period. I think it last longer than cotton and is not as much of a pain as Japanese cotton to get into a coil. I think the flavor is about the same just dont like the break-in of cotton. I also use cotton bacon for my really low sub-ohm builds because I think it wicks a bit faster, but for every day use I dont think it is needed.
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I'm referring to Koga Cotton. IMO the biggest ripoff in vaping over the past year. $6 for five little pads online, or $10 at my local B&M. You're right though, there are cheaper alternatives to Koga Cotton that come in pads.
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I'd just like to say thanks for all the effort you guys put into sharing knowledge.. I've read most of the old pro Vapes thread and nearly all this one.. I'm going through a huge amount of base because of you lot haha loads of lovely stuff.
I've been vaping about 13 months, mixing for about 9 months.. I've got quite a few mixes I'm happy with but since discovering this site and all the skillfull mixers I've learned so much about flavour pairing, balancing, etc.
I'll be sticking around here, contributing because I feel bad lurking when I'm getting so much good tasty stuff here, thanks again
I've been vaping about 13 months, mixing for about 9 months.. I've got quite a few mixes I'm happy with but since discovering this site and all the skillfull mixers I've learned so much about flavour pairing, balancing, etc.
I'll be sticking around here, contributing because I feel bad lurking when I'm getting so much good tasty stuff here, thanks again
Doesn't sound very appetizing, but the latest discovery at the other site is that some tampons are 100% rayon (except for the outer layer and string). Kotex U and O.B. are two that have been tried. In fact, Kotex U says so on the box label (under "composition"). Be careful though - sometimes they put other stuff in there, like synthetics and cotton, or fragrance, so read the label or stick to the known ones. Some have even said that it's better than beauty shop rayon. And be careful with the beauty shop stuff - some of them use 100% cotton (Cellucotton comes in both).
Look in the pharmacy too, for 100% viscose balls (like cotton balls, but 100% viscose instead).
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Haha! I am laughing so hard imagining a line of men with tampons checking out at the store.Doesn't sound very appetizing, but the latest discovery at the other site is that some tampons are 100% rayon (except for the outer layer and string). Kotex U and O.B. are two that have been tried. In fact, Kotex U says so on the box label (under "composition"). Be careful though - sometimes they put other stuff in there, like synthetics and cotton, or fragrance, so read the label or stick to the known ones. Some have even said that it's better than beauty shop rayon. And be careful with the beauty shop stuff - some of them use 100% cotton (Cellucotton comes in both).
Look in the pharmacy too, for 100% viscose balls (like cotton balls, but 100% viscose instead).
I find meringue very distinct and strong--I can definitely taste it at .5%! Maybe it's because there's nothing (i've tasted) quite like it, so it always sticks out a bit, chalky at first, and then smooth.
Dust is a know lung irritant. I refuse to stop inhaling it.Hello fellow mixing fans/geniuses,
Last night I was bobbing around online and starting watching a YouTube video from VPLive; DIY Safety Ep. #82.
Since we are on the subject of "controversial" topics, I am wondering about Cinnamic Aldehyde and the few facts that the PhD Chemist Dr. Kurt Kistler threw out about it. He said "Cinnamaldehyde is a known lung tissue/mucous membrane irritant".
Now, I've made a few juices with FA Cinnamon Ceylon, and enjoyed them much more after a little steeping. The usage is not the main point I'm trying to get at, there is no judgement here in the use of that flavor, obviously it's all our choice and freedom to mix as we wish.
- My main point is that I'd like to hear from the more experienced users of this flavor; how you feel about the fact that, One of the main ingredients used to produce this flavor is comprised of cinnamic aldehyde which "is a natural and key component of any cinnamon flavor or real spice" (that quote came directly from a specific email I sent to FlavourArt on their corporate website, which was responded to today).
- Does anyone see the need to keep a flavor such as this one in a much cooler environment due to the natural components?
- Would you move this flavor in particular into a glass storage bottle rather than the PET bottles that most of our 10ml flavors come in?
If this post was annoying to you, just roll your eyes and VAPE ON!
@lirruping I guess we are all a bit different on tastes. I know Tball hates it. Chalky? It is a light tangy, airy type wafer to me. I love it with cinnamon! I wouldn't like it if it tasted like chalk to me.
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I started with organic cotton then switched to rayon after trying some at a local B and M. The owner was nice enough to give me a ziplock baggy full of it for free. Also bought Some Japanese organic cotton pads but still prefer rayon over all of them. For me, the price didn't justify the performance. Rather save that money to buy more flavors.
These poor guys. First they had to go to Sally's Beauty Supply to get rayon. Now they're having to buy tampons!
So even at 3mg nic you guys notice a flavor difference? I have WL now, and I way overbought when I got it, so that's what I'll have for awhile.
I just have to share my happy - I got my daughter & her hubby back to vaping!!! Yes!
I'm proud of you and @Daintanee and other parents mixing tasty vapes to get their kids off the cigs. Such awesome parents, I'll bet your kids brag about you.
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I normally make 6 mg for tanks and 3 mg for times when I prefer to drip. To me it was noticeable but YMMV. When I first started using FA I had a bunch of WL nic too. Then I ordered a bottle of VT from bull city and immediately notices all my flavors were so much more tasty. After that I haven't touched WL at all. It was the difference between good juice and great juice for me, even at 3 mg.
Oh yes! And with the small samples of VT nic that BullCity sells now, I'd like to try to convince you to put the WL in storage for vape-ocalypse and treat yourself right. First of all, you deserve it - and at 3mg, a little sample will serve you for much longer than the same $$-worth of cigs would have. You can give it a try for just a little over 2 bucks to make 120ml of 3mg/ml nic (you'd have to add PG/VG to that, but still cheap. http://www.bullcityvapor.com/24mg-vt-nicotine-solution/ AAAARRRGH - currently out of stock. Well, I guess you have time to consider that $2 investment.
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Everyone keeps praising VT nic...and I have a quick question...is there a difference in taste between the regular and the throat hit one?
I want to get the VT nic but I'm scared it'll have no throat hit...and if I get the throat hit one I'm scared it'll just taste like all the others and won't make a difference.
Anyone have any experience with the throat hit VT nic?
I want to get the VT nic but I'm scared it'll have no throat hit...and if I get the throat hit one I'm scared it'll just taste like all the others and won't make a difference.
Anyone have any experience with the throat hit VT nic?
cardassian
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Yeah have seen that before but it's never in stock.
This did lead me search around though and there's a new vaping website I've never heard of selling some for $2.50.
So I will try it out and hopefully it's as good as everyone says it is.
I buy only their VG-base nic, both the throat-hit and premium stuff. I have no knowledge of their PG-base, so with that in mind, my
WL was some rough stuff, but I used it exclusively due to low price for 4-6 months. I've also used rtsvapes and Heartland (through a distributor), which weren't drastically different in my opinion, but sure didn't smell as frightening. Then I tried VT's primo stuff and could not BELIEVE how much better my flavors tasted. I've said before it was like upgrading my entire flavor collection in one fell swoop. All other nic went into the deep freeze! Then VT's TH nic was offered at a ridiculously low price, and I eventually caved.
I figured the TH nic would be similar to the other brands - and at least could stay in the freezer for a catastrophe. So now the comparison between VT TH and VT primo, both in VG base. I can barely tell them apart. My partner vapes unflavored a lot; I vape a small tank or two of it daily. We can both taste a little something-something in unflavored TH, but it sure as heck does not make us cough or get the sore throats & morning lung-ache that other brands often did. There's a little hint of (mustiness? not sure how to describe it, but it's not chemical) something in the flavor. I don't mind it at all, but partner claims to prefer the pricier version. Have I ever pulled one over and subbed TH secretly? Yes
. Partner can identify when I do that sometimes, not always.With flavorings... Okay, some flavors taste so much better with VT than the other stuff that you'd think you were using a different bottle of flavoring. Cocoa and Espresso are hugely different. Flavors like that mixed with TH versus primo (VG!) - cannot tell them apart. Absolutely identical. Vaping light and creamy fruit flavors, especially early in the day, sometimes I can tell them apart, but after half a tank or so, I can't any more.
I recently got a second liter of the TH nic. I cracked it open to verify it's okay, and it's even better (less scent/flavor) than the first one. Great use of $45, for sure.
Summary (I saw that eyeroll): VT TH versus primo in VG base: slightly to noticeably stronger aroma when sniffing the freshly-opened, hot-from-the-mailbox bottle. Slight flavor difference some will notice if vaping without flavoring, fewer will notice with light flavoring, and I challenge you to tell the difference at all with bolder/tobacco/heavier flavoring. My partner and I are not super-tasters, so others may note more difference than we have. Neither has the "throat hit" or nose-sting or sore throat/lungs that we got with other brands.
Personally - I plan to hoard a decent supply in the next few months before the FDA can screw things up.
edit: PS - partner and I both vape between 15 and 20 mg/ml nic most of the time now. That's down from 24-36 a year ago. So we're generally using it mixed fairly strong.
ouzel
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I buy only their VG-base nic, both the throat-hit and premium stuff. I have no knowledge of their PG-base, so with that in mind, mycommentsrambling:
WL was some rough stuff, but I used it exclusively due to low price for 4-6 months. I've also used rtsvapes and Heartland (through a distributor), which weren't drastically different in my opinion, but sure didn't smell as frightening. Then I tried VT's primo stuff and could not BELIEVE how much better my flavors tasted. I've said before it was like upgrading my entire flavor collection in one fell swoop. All other nic went into the deep freeze! Then VT's TH nic was offered at a ridiculously low price, and I eventually caved.
I figured the TH nic would be similar to the other brands - and at least could stay in the freezer for a catastrophe. So now the comparison between VT TH and VT primo, both in VG base. I can barely tell them apart. My partner vapes unflavored a lot; I vape a small tank or two of it daily. We can both taste a little something-something in unflavored TH, but it sure as heck does not make us cough or get the sore throats & morning lung-ache that other brands often did. There's a little hint of (mustiness? not sure how to describe it, but it's not chemical) something in the flavor. I don't mind it at all, but partner claims to prefer the pricier version. Have I ever pulled one over and subbed TH secretly? Yes
With flavorings... Okay, some flavors taste so much better with VT than the other stuff that you'd think you were using a different bottle of flavoring. Cocoa and Espresso are hugely different. Flavors like that mixed with TH versus primo (VG!) - cannot tell them apart. Absolutely identical. Vaping light and creamy fruit flavors, especially early in the day, sometimes I can tell them apart, but after half a tank or so, I can't any more.
I recently got a second liter of the TH nic. I cracked it open to verify it's okay, and it's even better (less scent/flavor) than the first one. Great use of $45, for sure.
Summary (I saw that eyeroll): VT TH versus primo in VG base: slightly to noticeably stronger aroma when sniffing the freshly-opened, hot-from-the-mailbox bottle. Slight flavor difference some will notice if vaping without flavoring, fewer will notice with light flavoring, and I challenge you to tell the difference at all with bolder/tobacco/heavier flavoring. My partner and I are not super-tasters, so others may note more difference than we have. Neither has the "throat hit" or nose-sting or sore throat/lungs that we got with other brands.
Personally - I plan to hoard a decent supply in the next few months before the FDA can screw things up.
edit: PS - partner and I both vape between 15 and 20 mg/ml nic most of the time now. That's down from 24-36 a year ago. So we're generally using it mixed fairly strong.
No eyeroll, I promise - you're always very informative with your long posts....not like people who start talking about their grandmas salt and pepper collection.
You've sold me on the TH nic...I don't vape any fruity flavors, mostly coffee/chocolate/bakery type so I think I'll be okay with it.
But I suppose ordering a bit of the primo stuff couldn't hurt me either....you know, just to try it out
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond!
Can't wait to try out pirate truffles with VT nic.
Ha.
Whooo, hold up there a minute @HeadInClouds, wth? I heard the words, FDA, nicotine, stock up, HOARD! What's going on? Oh, and on a lighter note, of course us women prefer the pricier stuff, duh! That's why men only have one wife nowadays.
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LMAO !!!!!!!!!!
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I have both VT nics and have tried both using the same flavor recipe. I don't find any difference in throat hit when I take lung hits, which is my preferred method. I do feel a bit if a throat hit when I mouth to lung. Both carry flavors well and better than does MFS Nic (my first nic). I'm thinking that when I need nIc again, I might buy the throat hit nic. After all, It is less than half the price of the VT's clean nic.
Don't take my words for gospel though, I'm only 10 months into vaping and still use relatively large amounts of flavoring.
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IoI!
Daintainee, Meringue only gives me chalky right at first, and perhaps only with some fruits, since I haven't tried it with everything. I like it too, but have never tried it with cinnamon. I'm looking forward to it now.
I have kind of an embarrassing mixing question. By way of background I'll admit that even after months of doing this I still scribble and use a regular calculator to convert percentages rather than use a juice calculator. For this reason, the fewer calculations I have to do, the better. If I use a 10ml bottle, I fill it with 9mls of base; when I use a fifteen, I fill it with 12 or 14mls of base (depending on whether I'm using more or less concentrated flavors, to leave room for flavoring. But I generally measure and add flavor based on the bottle size rather than the actual mls in the bottle. My end result is a little less than the full number of mls the bottle is meant to hold in nearly every case, and I try to make up for the tendency to over-flavor with this method by being "scant" in my measurements.
My question is: do you guys do something similar, and if so, which amount do you flavor based on--the bottle-size amount or the actual number of mls in the bottle?
Or do you figure it all out exactly so that the flavor + base actually comes to exactly 10 or 15 (or whatever) mls?
(I don't know why I'm so resistant to the juice calculator, I just am.. and because I'm always making small batches, it has yet to be a big issue).
My question is: do you guys do something similar, and if so, which amount do you flavor based on--the bottle-size amount or the actual number of mls in the bottle?
Or do you figure it all out exactly so that the flavor + base actually comes to exactly 10 or 15 (or whatever) mls?
(I don't know why I'm so resistant to the juice calculator, I just am.. and because I'm always making small batches, it has yet to be a big issue).
I use the drop flavoring method. I start with either 3,6,or 12 ml of base. I use the ejuice calc just to get the amounts of flavorings right for the amount of base I am using so in reality my flavorings are lower than what would be used if I measured the nic and pg and vg each time I make a testing amount. My hands are bad so I do it the easiest way for me. I make up the nic base usually 100-120mls at a time. Hopefully I made sense.
I mix by the size of my bottle, but I measure in flavors first (into the bottle), then top off with pre-diluted base (which I make a lot of at a time).
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Just made a mix of
3% fuji
1% peach
0.5% pineaplle
0.5% guava
Now this taste alright but seems to irritate my throat.
I know it's not the peach or fuji doing this as I've vaped both of those standalone.
I'm thinking it's probably the pineapple but it could be the guava.
Does pineapple or guava irritate anyone else's throat?
3% fuji
1% peach
0.5% pineaplle
0.5% guava
Now this taste alright but seems to irritate my throat.
I know it's not the peach or fuji doing this as I've vaped both of those standalone.
I'm thinking it's probably the pineapple but it could be the guava.
Does pineapple or guava irritate anyone else's throat?
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I bet it will probably smooth out over the next day. just a guess. . . pineapple does give me some serious heartburn though lol
So, when you top off the flavors with base into a 10ml bottle, you add whatever amount will end you up with total 10mls - an amount you've figured out using the calculator?
I also mix my base beforehand and use drop measurements if I'm doing 3mls, or sometimes for 9 mls or 12-15mls, too, but I'm not sure how this makes my flavorings lower than they would be if i were measuring everything each time. Heck, I don't even understand the question I asked anymore.I use the drop flavoring method. I start with either 3,6,or 12 ml of base. I use the ejuice calc just to get the amounts of flavorings right for the amount of base I am using so in reality my flavorings are lower than what would be used if I measured the nic and pg and vg each time I make a testing amount. My hands are bad so I do it the easiest way for me. I make up the nic base usually 100-120mls at a time. Hopefully I made sense.
Don't mind me. I confuse easily, especially if I think it has anything to do with math. Everyone, please just move on.
(Thank you both for your input cindy & Dixie, but I have a new plan: rather than continue to disrupt the whole class, I'll get my thoughts together on this another day when my brain is less saturated with stupid and start a separate thread.)