FlavourArt Club ... formally known as the PureVapes thread

[HeadInClouds]

I think its the fuji. If you have banana and fuji just play with those two.

There is more to banana plus apple than meets the eye. Banana fans, butterscotch fans, and meringue-fruit-pie fans, some info for you - it all ties together at the end, I promise.

In making a butterscotch pudding (vape) recipe, FA Butterscotch was just not right with my other ingredients, so I set off researching real butterscotch.

Original (Doncaster) butterscotch used cream of tartar. That's the stuff scraped off wine barrels after winemaking. It's an acidic salt. In the candy, it was used to prevent crystalization, but it has a flavor of its own, likened to apples. In fact, cream of tartar can make a chemical apple pie that tastes like sweet apples but contains no apples at all. I gotta make that sometime.

So I began playing with a little FA Apple and Apple Pie flavorings in my butterscotch, and added it all to my rummy stuff. Along the line I got a great butterrum pudding. One trial tasted like the perfect start of Banoffee (banana toffee creamy pie thing), so I added 2% FA Banana. I expected I'd need lots more, but was surprised I don't. Making the same combination without the Apple or Apple Pie flavorings, it tastes like a toffee-butterscotch pudding, but the banana is only barely there.

So yes, apple flavors do something to banana...and to butterscotch-toffee flavors. I'm going to play with various combinations of Apple, Fuji, Apple Pie to get my (rummy? pudding? pie? haven't decided) Banoffee just right. There's no doubt that some kind of apple is needed for both an authentic Doncaster butterscotch-toffee and for the banana in my recipe.

Banana + cream of tartar (FA Banana plus some combination of FA apple flavors) makes sense. Some banana bread and banana cake recipes use cream of tartar. Real meringue (think banana cream pie) uses it. It's not for the same purpose we'd use it for in vaping, but if it's there in the foods we eat, we'll associate those flavors. I made a note to figure out if FA Meringue includes a note of apple for the cream of tartar, but I won't play with that any time soon. But if the fruit in your fruity-meringue pie needs a boost or doesn't taste quite right, apple is a likely addition -- very tiny bit, probably Fuji for brighter fruits.

The way we've used FA Apple Pie to get the crust flavor for pies without the apple flavor... - same idea is at work, but the apple is standing in for cream of tartar. Maybe that's in part why FA Apple Pie for pie crust works so much better than using TFA Pie Crust or FA Cookie without the Apple Pie.

Sorry I'm in a rambling fugue state...lol! I just know this will all prove valuable info for pies, banana stuff, butterscotch, and probably other fruity (vape) recipes.

 

[Thunderball]

Good Lord...., I love this thread !!

 

[zolt]

Just a note, I also noticed a small amount of Fuji strengthens Jasmine.

 

[Huckleberried]

Good Lord...., I love this thread !!

Because you're a wise one Thunder.


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[M5amhan]

3% FA strawberry 3% FA lemon sicily is damn good.. maybe im just too simple lol

 

[Thunderball]

3% FA strawberry 3% FA lemon sicily is damn good.. maybe im just too simple lol

Sometimes less is more....

 

[Thunderball]

Anyone try a Fruity Pebbles with FA flavors ?

 

[Thunderball]

Anyone try a Fruity Pebbles with FA flavors ?

Copied from internet...

In 1971, Post Cereals capitalized on the success of the children's cartoon "The Flintstones" by releasing Fruity Pebbles. The name of the cereal is a bit misleading: Fruity Pebbles contains no actual fruit. Instead, a combination of artificial and natural flavors produce the fruity flavors. The original flavors included cherry, lemon and orange. The company has since added several new colors and flavors to its Fruity Pebbles: grape, lime, Berry Blue, Incrediberry Purple and Bedrock Berry Pink.

 

[Huckleberried]

You remember Kriga from the other place? He made a version posted over there.


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[AyeJay]

Anyone know of a good Blood Orange recipe? Having issues getting a good strong sweet orange flavor. By the description, blood orange has a hint of raspberry taste to it.

 

[havok333]

3% FA strawberry 3% FA lemon sicily is damn good.. maybe im just too simple lol

I've mixed that very same thing in the last couple months!

 

[kabalm18]

Any ideas on a peach spiced/chai tea? Do you think that even sounds good? I was thinking black tea, one of the peaches (which one?) And cardamom. Anything else? Fresh cream? Vanilla? What percentages? Thanks!

 

[HeadInClouds]

Butterscotch, toffee, and FA flavorings... fun stuff!

In Victorian England, a British confectioner traveled to Italy. He found Italian candies were vastly better than English candies and set out to fix that. He called his new candy, "butter scotch." His Dorchester butter scotch became very popular. It used 4 parts by weight of (salted) butter, 4 parts brown sugar (actually moscovado), 1 part treacle, and cream of tartar. Treacle is basically molasses, but this confectioner cooked for the queen, so he may have had pricier, lighter treacle - now called "golden syrup." Commoners used darker treacle (similar to blackstrap molasses). The ingredients were cooked into butter scotch syrup, or cooked longer to make soft butter scotch, or longer yet for candy to crack with a hammer (butter scotch that would call toffee). Some used lemon or vinegar instead of cream of tartar - all for proper crystallization. In the past few decades the original Dorchester recipe has again become popular worldwide, though it has been in Europe all along - especially in England. The hard version is now called treacle toffee - check out how dark that stuff is! The color is mostly from the type of treacle used; it's not burnt, like it looks.

As the recipe spread through Europe, ingredients like Rum (to give molasses flavor), honey (in areas with no treacle), Whiskey (because why not?), refined white sugar (especially in America) were added or subbed for the basic ingredients. By the time butterscotch became popular here, it was one word, and it sure wasn't the same recipe. Those bright yellow hard candies in the yellow, cellophane wrappers are not even CLOSE! What we know as English toffee is similar, minus the nuts and chocolate.

Now...mix up 2-3% plain FA Butterscotch. Imagine brown sugar, butter, and light molasses, all cooked together into soft candy. There ya go. I've always said FA Butterscotch is not like the yellow discs, but now I understand what it IS. That's very helpful! Mostly I've found FA Butterscotch should be half or less of the total flavoring, to get the 'Americanized' version with the creamy vanilla-ness we expect.. It makes a fabulous ice-cream topping or pudding flavor, but won't ever taste like the yellow discs. But the resulting butterscotch pudding, butter rum, toffee, and all that IMO are way better! Back to mixing....vaping....tweaking.

 

[Huckleberried]

Any ideas on a peach spiced/chai tea? Do you think that even sounds good? I was thinking black tea, one of the peaches (which one?) And cardamom. Anything else? Fresh cream? Vanilla? What percentages? Thanks!

I have 4 in experimental stage using cardamom right now! One does have black tea & cardamom.


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[HeadInClouds]

Any ideas on a peach spiced/chai tea? Do you think that even sounds good? I was thinking black tea, one of the peaches (which one?) And cardamom. Anything else? Fresh cream? Vanilla? What percentages? Thanks!

For sure it sounds good. I like a blend of spices in chai, like these two:
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/hics-coconut-chai-latte.1859/
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/hics-vanilla-chai-latte.1861/
You'd describe those as 'gently flavored'...before you doubled all the percents

Cardamom is da BOMB with both Peach and White Peach!

 

[Ace]

My dad used to make treacle Toffee. So good. Similar to molasses but totally different flavor. Beware Those little hard candies. They pull fillings, break crowns and destroy bridges. But you don't care.

Butterscotch, toffee, and FA flavorings... fun stuff!

In Victorian England, a British confectioner traveled to Italy. He found Italian candies were vastly better than English candies and set out to fix that. He called his new candy, "butter scotch." His Dorchester butter scotch became very popular. It used 4 parts by weight of (salted) butter, 4 parts brown sugar (actually moscovado), 1 part treacle, and cream of tartar. Treacle is basically molasses, but this confectioner cooked for the queen, so he may have had pricier, lighter treacle - now called "golden syrup." Commoners used darker treacle (similar to blackstrap molasses)...The hard version is now called treacle toffee - check out how dark that stuff is! The color is mostly from the type of treacle used; it's not burnt, like it looks.

 

[kabalm18]

For sure it sounds good. I like a blend of spices in chai, like these two:
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/hics-coconut-chai-latte.1859/
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/hics-vanilla-chai-latte.1861/
You'd describe those as 'gently flavored'...before you doubled all the percents

Cardamom is da BOMB with both Peach and White Peach!

LOL! I made the vanilla chai tonight and didnt double it! I only bumped it up 50%! Ha! Pretty good fall/holiday vape.

 

[HeadInClouds]

Anyone know of a good Blood Orange recipe? Having issues getting a good strong sweet orange flavor. By the description, blood orange has a hint of raspberry taste to it.

I see Flavor West has the flavoring, but I've never tried it. Since blood oranges originated in Sicily, it sure would be a good new flavor for FA to work on!

It's been a long time since I've eaten any. Would Mandarin be a better start than Orange? It's a more intense flavor, so it (along with berries) might be a start. I know Mandarin's tasty with Raspberry, but dunno if it's anything like a blood orange. Some descriptions say strawberry, too.

oh - wow - look at this stuff! http://www.spiritsreview.com/reviews-liqueur-solerno.html WANT!

 

[kabalm18]

I see Flavor West has the flavoring, but I've never tried it. Since blood oranges originated in Sicily, it sure would be a good new flavor for FA to work on!

It's been a long time since I've eaten any. Would Mandarin be a better start than Orange? It's a more intense flavor, so it (along with berries) might be a start. I know Mandarin's tasty with Raspberry, but dunno if it's anything like a blood orange. Some descriptions say strawberry, too.

oh - wow - look at this stuff! http://www.spiritsreview.com/reviews-liqueur-solerno.html WANT!

See...Pyrat Rum would be perfect!

 

[CurlyxCracker]

OK so, I fell several pages behind. All caught up now.
@wllmc and others having difficulty subohming, what rda are you using? Your coil (or resistance) may not be your issue with FA flavors.
@All VT nic users, I have some unflavored and some batches I know how they taste with WL nic made up with VT nic to compare. Can you guys/gals tell me what flavors benefited most from VT nic over your previous nic? I think I remember HIC said FA cocoa was the most "influenced" flavor, any others?

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Also, I finally mixed up some white peach. Where has this been all my life?!!!!??!?! Officially my #2 fruit vape, after TFA Key Lime. I normally am a complex kinda DIYer, But I definitely see standalone in the line up.

 

[Huckleberried]

I think HIC also mentioned Vanilla Classic being good as standalone with VT nic. I could be wrong, but seem to remember HIC telling wllmc he needed to try it out. Of course, he was excited, lol.

 

[HeadInClouds]

Can you guys/gals tell me what flavors benefited most from VT nic over your previous nic? I think I remember HIC said FA cocoa was the most "influenced" flavor, any others?
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I finally mixed up some white peach. Where has this been all my life?

For me, no other single flavor changed as much as Cocoa. I didn't really like fruit flavors in general - especially standalone - until I tried them with VT nic. Now some are among my favorite flavors.

My usage of FA Espresso changed drastically. I enjoy at a much higher percentage with VT nic. I stayed around 0.5% with WL nic and had to use additions with it (thus all those fancy coffee recipes!) but with VT nic I can vape it at 2-3% standalone. It's much smoother, and I love it in max VG - it tastes sweetened now, which is ideal for ME. I still use those fancy recipes in VT nic with no percentage changes, but I don't have to be so light-handed and precise measuring out the Espresso.

 

[scottw]

How do you all compare FA Custard to CAP v2 custard? I wanted to give the FA a shot, but I am in love with CAP v2

 

[Huckleberried]

Scott, those are 2 completely different flavors. HIC has a much better description, but the FA Custard is kind of lemony.

 

[scottw]

Scott, those are 2 completely different flavors. HIC has a much better description, but the FA Custard is kind of lemony.

exactly what I needed to know.. I will go ahead and order the FA one too. I want to start playing with FA, I am new to FA so I am excited to be able to use far less % vs TFA, FA, etc.

Thank you in advance!

 

[Huckleberried]

You're about to have a LOT of fun. Welcome aboard

 

[scottw]

Thank you very much Huckleberried!! I can not wait.. Placing an order now, have about 30 in the cart, making sure I don't miss anything haha.

 

[Huckleberried]

I've seemed to always turn up one flavor short, so I ordered a bunch of samples a while back. Cruise through the recipes section, see what sounds good, double check it's in your cart, lol. We're enablers.

 

[Sully]

OK. Looking for melon ideas. I have watermelon and melon cantaloupe. I'd like to include another fruit or two. I'm thinking bilberry and maybe a touch of coconut? Recommendations for what %'s I should mix these at? I'd also like to hear if you have a delicious melony mix. Thanks!

 

[Mr Joshua]

I've seemed to always turn up one flavor short, so I ordered a bunch of samples a while back. Cruise through the recipes section, see what sounds good, double check it's in your cart, lol. We're enablers.

I am always one flavor away from something, never can reach the summit, always need more! lol Hi, I am Josh, and I am a flavorholic.

 

[Huckleberried]

OK. Looking for melon ideas. I have watermelon and melon cantaloupe. I'd like to include another fruit or two. I'm thinking bilberry and maybe a touch of coconut? Recommendations for what %'s I should mix these at? I'd also like to hear if you have a delicious melony mix. Thanks!

Peach or White Peach? Bilberry might overtake those, not sure. TFA Whipped Cream? Similar to FA Fresh Cream but has a subtle sweetness.

 

[Sully]

Peach or White Peach? Bilberry might overtake those, not sure. TFA Whipped Cream? Similar to FA Fresh Cream but has a subtle sweetness.

Thanks. Peach sounds good, but no peaches on hand atm. I do have TFA Whipped Cream though. I'll keep that in mind. Hopefully others will chime in too throughout the day

 

[scottw]

I've seemed to always turn up one flavor short, so I ordered a bunch of samples a while back. Cruise through the recipes section, see what sounds good, double check it's in your cart, lol. We're enablers.

just about did that on the first order today haha.. found 1 I missed.

What do you all think about their Oakwood?

 

[HeadInClouds]

just about did that on the first order today haha.. found 1 I missed.
What do you all think about their Oakwood?

It's not one I use daily, but when I need it, nothing else will do. You'll only use it if you vape tobaccos, or liquor flavors... or coconut...or if you want to make a cider flavor. http://vapingunderground.com/threads/my-notes-on-flavourart-oakwood.2915/

 

[HeadInClouds]

OK. Looking for melon ideas. I have watermelon and melon cantaloupe. I'd like to include another fruit or two. I'm thinking bilberry and maybe a touch of coconut? Recommendations for what %'s I should mix these at? I'd also like to hear if you have a delicious melony mix. Thanks!

I can't get into vaping most melon flavors, but I sometimes get in the mood for FA Watermelon. It's not a very strong flavor; I use 4% or so standalone - or better yet with <1% Lime Cold-Pressed or mint added. A little Koolada (or menthol if you vape menthol) is good for the coolness.

 

[scottw]

It's not one I use daily, but when I need it, nothing else will do. You'll only use it if you vape tobaccos, or liquor flavors... or coconut...or if you want to make a cider flavor. http://vapingunderground.com/threads/my-notes-on-flavourart-oakwood.2915/

Exactly what I was thinking, a really good Cider, I have never had a good one that I can vape more than 1/2 day. I want an all day vape apple type cider and was thinking oakwood would be something I could add that its missing.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Peach or White Peach? Bilberry might overtake those, not sure. TFA Whipped Cream? Similar to FA Fresh Cream but has a subtle sweetness.

Thanks. Peach sounds good, but no peaches on hand atm. I do have TFA Whipped Cream though. I'll keep that in mind. Hopefully others will chime in too throughout the day

White peach is a new found love of mine! You NEED it

 

[AyeJay]

I see Flavor West has the flavoring, but I've never tried it. Since blood oranges originated in Sicily, it sure would be a good new flavor for FA to work on!

It's been a long time since I've eaten any. Would Mandarin be a better start than Orange? It's a more intense flavor, so it (along with berries) might be a start. I know Mandarin's tasty with Raspberry, but dunno if it's anything like a blood orange. Some descriptions say strawberry, too.

oh - wow - look at this stuff! http://www.spiritsreview.com/reviews-liqueur-solerno.html WANT!

That looks delicious!! I would say a mix of orange and mandarin with a touch of Raspberry? Wonder if a very small amount of lemon would pop the oranges? I'm gonna play around.

 

[scottw]

Damn it. Forgot White Peach haha. I looked at it 11 times and missed it.

 

[Thunderball]

Damn it. Forgot White Peach haha. I looked at it 11 times and missed it.

You had better order it right now. White peach is one incredible flavor


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[Mr Joshua]

White peach is likely hands down my favorite overall, I like the normal peach too. I have Inawera's and the Honey Peach from jungle flavors, but have not mixed with them enough yet, but I think they are likely good.

 

[scottw]

You had better order it right now. White peach is one incredible flavor


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Put an order in for 30 ml about 20 min ago lol. I think I have everything. I have 39 flavors coming.

 

[Thunderball]

exactly what I needed to know.. I will go ahead and order the FA one too. I want to start playing with FA, I am new to FA so I am excited to be able to use far less % vs TFA, FA, etc.

Thank you in advance!

Far less percentage thanTFA is the least of your worries. After a day of mixing flavor art, you will turn your back on most of your TFA flavors. I have about 120 flavors I need to put in a fire sale.

I've been a faithful TFA flavor mixer for over a year and just recently have ordered flavor art and started reading this thread. It is incredible the improvements in all of my juices. I am not exaggerating.

Huckleberried is correct, you're fixing to have a bunch of fun


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[Mr Joshua]

I have jumped ship from TFA to FA mostly, but I still like TFAs green tea. I like their strawberry and their waxy pear too, but more so as a background for FA versions in blends.

 

[Cramptholomew]

I have jumped ship from TFA to FA mostly, but I still like TFAs green tea. I like their strawberry and their waxy pear too, but more so as a background for FA versions in blends.

What % do you mix the green tea? I tried and failed to use it once, and didn't try it again.

 

[Mr Joshua]

In a peach green I have tried 6% and 7%, but have gone as high as 10%. and it was okay, but only because of a lot of peach, and tiny bit of mango in it likely. For me 7% is max and I like it more at 6, but it needs something with it like peach, pear,. As a stand alone green tea with mostly the green tea being up front somewhat unflavored, it needs to be blended to me with another tea like CAPS sweet tea, or FA black tea at 1% or so. The lemon in CAPs helps it out.

I have not tried it with jasmine or other florals and herby like flavors other than Zen garden...but I wrecked it with Zen, but I think 0.25% zen may work..

 

[RyGon]

Hello FA club, I'm glad I found something like this. Please bear with a newb. I read about the clearstream project and had this crazy idea to try my hand at DIY and stick to only flavors that have passed their cytotoxic analysis. The list I found was pretty limited and after finding your "club" I thought if anyone could help it would be these guys/gals. So feel free to roll your eyes but anything that might point me in the right direction would be much appreciated.

My tastes are pretty diverse and I enjoy a stable of distinct profiles to vape from when I get the craving rather than a highly complex all day vape. Ideally, I would eventually build a group, for example a Hawaiian punch, a malted milk ball, a fresh fruit, a cherry cavendish, and a whiskey Cameroon cigar. These are just examples but I think you can understand what I'm saying. I avoid banana, anise, and menthol. I tend to like commercial juices with creamy undertones but vanillas often taste perfumey to me even in small amounts.

Please don't think I'm coming on here with my first post demanding miracles. Just had an idea, came across your group and thought I'd throw it out there. I read the first 19 pages I think and you seem like good people that know your stuff. Glad this group exists.

 

[Huckleberried]

HIC founded the original group, lol, over on ECF. That was an epic thread and worth reading every page. For lack of better terms, I'll call that one "the infancy through toddler years". We've chosen to continue efforts here at this fine vaping forum, thanks to @VaporJoes . Many people pop in from time to time saying they've read both and feel like they know everyone. Glad you're joining in the fun!

Anything at all that I've learned about flavoring has come from the fine people in this thread. There was some amazing stuff going on before, and it continually grows.

As far as fresh fruits go, FlavourArt is sure to please! Very real tasting, very bright and delicious fruit flavors. Vanillas, I've been blown away by. I've always enjoyed creamy vapes, myself, and have not been disappointed in the creams by FA. Vienna, Fresh, Vanilla Classic... Vanilla Tahiti is one I've yet to get but gets rave reviews, too.

Browse through the recipe section, too. HIC, wllmc, DownInTn, Cramptholomew, SmokyBlue, ChickenMonkey, RocketPuppy... who am I forgetting? All great recipes, some mostly FA, some all FA. GREAT STUFF. Also browse the reviews section. HIC has developed some astounding reviews of FA flavors standalone and also how they work for recipes. Very passionate about creating good vapes. Totally blown away, I'm tellin' ya.

Welcome aboard RyGon

 

[Smokachino]

Hello FA club, I'm glad I found something like this. Please bear with a newb. I read about the clearstream project and had this crazy idea to try my hand at DIY and stick to only flavors that have passed their cytotoxic analysis. The list I found was pretty limited and after finding your "club" I thought if anyone could help it would be these guys/gals. So feel free to roll your eyes but anything that might point me in the right direction would be much appreciated.

My tastes are pretty diverse and I enjoy a stable of distinct profiles to vape from when I get the craving rather than a highly complex all day vape. Ideally, I would eventually build a group, for example a Hawaiian punch, a malted milk ball, a fresh fruit, a cherry cavendish, and a whiskey Cameroon cigar. These are just examples but I think you can understand what I'm saying. I avoid banana, anise, and menthol. I tend to like commercial juices with creamy undertones but vanillas often taste perfumey to me even in small amounts.

Please don't think I'm coming on here with my first post demanding miracles. Just had an idea, came across your group and thought I'd throw it out there. I read the first 19 pages I think and you seem like good people that know your stuff. Glad this group exists.

Welcome, RyGon! You've definitely come to the right place . . . lots of knowledgeable, friendly and helpful folks here. I don't get to come in here as much as I'd like, but I always learn something new. I've been a "member" for quite a while, but still consider myself to be a novice at mixing flavors together to get that "wow" vape. Therefore, I'm going to yield the floor to the experts . I think a malted milk ball juice would be awesome!