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FlavourArt Club ... formally known as the PureVapes thread
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It figures that YOU would be the one to try them all.
Yeah, I did. Not much of a taste at all. A little sweet and maybe a little musty.
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What percentage are you using? I'm just not tasting it, but haven't really gone over 3%. I actually liked TFA Coconut Extra, and would LOVE to make something with FA that tastes like the inside of a Mounds bar.
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I don't think there are any running atm.
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The Handy Dandy Spreadsheet shows use from 2-9% with an average or 5.71%. I'd say you're safe to go above 3%
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Uh, that spreadsheet shows Breadcrust at 4%..............................LOL Just sayin'!! It's generally a good starting point, but...breadcrust at 4%?
Anywhere from 1-3%. To get a mounds bar, you're gonna need something to act like sweetened condensed milk, butter and confectioner's sugar. Cap cake batter perhaps, with a load of FA fresh cream? I might add a touch of TFA Coconut candy as well. Sometimes one version of a flavor isn't enough. I have several mixes where I use two or three different vendor versions of the same flavor.
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Haha! I hadn't even noticed that. Curiosity is starting to get the best of me and need to see what the fuss is about.
Thanks! I haven't increased it because I'm afraid this may be one of those flavors I just can't taste. I mean, I got nada at 3% so just put it aside instead of wasting it. Now I'm really craving coconut, though, so I'm gonna go for it!
Great suggestions, so much obliged! I've been trying to steer clear of the "bad" flavors, but my cravings may get the best of me
I would never worry about trying things higher if you can't taste them at low percentages, providing you've tried them at those first. I can't taste apricot at low percentages - not sure I can at higher ones either, because I haven't tried yet. But one day I'm going to try it at 6%.
They were great. Hope they win.
You need a lot of sweet for that. In FA-speak, that's Torrone, Meringue, Marzipan, or some combination. Marzipan adds very sweet, almondy 'toastedness,' which may not be like a Mounds center, but it sure is sweetlicious with Coconut. Meringue by itself isn't enough, but it adds good sweetness. Torrone plus one of the others would be the best start..... now I wanna play with coconut.
(edit: and Marshmallow! duh, forgot that one)
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I'M not gonna try it, but there is a chance it tastes great at higher percentages. Flavorings can be unpredictable like that. @wllmc is our best bet!
I like coconut at 1-2% in most mixes I've tried. I just really like that one.
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Has anyone noticed that these low percentages for flavorarts don't hold up with steeping? I am a habitual steeper, just steep automatically no good reason just used to it I guess. When my total mixes are 5% -7% or less steeping seems to void the the flavor, but if I shake and vape its good.
What about everyone else, are your mixes lasting more then a couple of days? (and I don't mean cuz you vaped it all, lol)
What about everyone else, are your mixes lasting more then a couple of days? (and I don't mean cuz you vaped it all, lol)
Yeah, torrone, fresh cream and meringue might be your best bet in avoiding custard notes. BUT, IMO, you're gonna be hard pressed to get exactly what you want without at least SOME diketones. I could be wrong though. That's been known to happen...
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I am about to get on that one again here pretty soon. PBand J and a cracker jacks
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I dont get much loss of flavor. it smooths out and becomes what it is. I agree there is a difference between fresh and a couple days. not enough to bother me tho. I am vaping some banana coconut cream pie thats at least 3 weeks old and just as snazy as when I mixed it.
So, I have been looking around for this info, maybe I'm just not looking in the right place but what are the techniques you use for working up a new recipe. Can you start low and keep adding drops to the same batch and then calculate percentages after? Do you have to just guess at the percentages and put it through a calculator, mix it and change the percentages in the next batch? Are these techniques closely guarded secrets? What about using drops vs ml? The calculators give both so I assume there must be people using both. These things seem like basic knowledge to me. Links would be fine if there are good sources out there. I learn well with videos if they are out there.
Thats going to be my next "copy" recipie. I just have to have some instant gradification from time to time in between alll my other mixing trials
Ive been reading all of your exploits on the "other" forum today. I went from #1 to # 24 as in pages... (post 241). Its pretty interesting seeing the beginnings of some of you...and others switching over from other brands to FA as a main flavor source.
What I see most is that the "core" first members of ther thread/Club are still here for the most part.
I dont have near the mixing time that many here have as Ive only been at it about a year or so and then only when I feel "the force" beckoning me to try something new.
I my self think of what I may want to vape and think out the flavors that may or may not go into it, then I start very low.....maybe as low as 1 to 2 pecent of my main flavor....then add .5 perecent with a I ml syring for the additional flavors (support flavors..lol) ....and use the old antiquated Ejuice me up calculator and make notes on the included note area as I go.
Add, heat, shake vape..... repeat over and over adding a very samll amount here and there as my taste dictates (like .25% to .5% at a time). I usually find a sweet spot but keep going higher or more flavor until I ruin it.....at that point, I dont ever wonder if I went to far or not. Thats just me though. At that poing, I will usually have a mix of that "perfect juice" and will erase the recipies that were not right....but I like to leave all my notes in the good recipie note area "just to refer back to"...
You will also find that some of these more experienced mixers here will actually find a recipie for real food/desert on the internet or a cook book....or a bartenders mix recipie....or the ingredients on the back of a drink bottle and just go to mixing.
I also think some folks are just naturally good cooks and can think these things through.
The possabilities are endless....
Then again, theres those out there that will just "Throw shit on the wall" just to see what sticks. I think these newbie mixers are the ones that end up trowing in the towel after a while.
Just my two cents... (you'll get better answers than this Im sure)
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Disco I have several bottles that are a couple weeks old and still taste good. I've experienced flavor loss before, but only in bottles that were old enough I forget about them lol.
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Thanks, HIC . . . please let me know what you come up with
I do have the Meringue and Marzipan, so think I'll play around with that. Sheesh . . . I recently got another order in, but no Torrone.
Thanks, so in this process do you end up with a whole bunch little 10ml versions of the juice or are you adding flavor to the same batch? Say I make a plain old strawberry banana (I don't even like strawberry banana but just an example). I mix it with equal parts and taste it and I think this needs more strawberry. Do I start over using a higher percentage or could I just add another drop of strawberry and do the math at the end to find percentages? As for the cook book style do flavorings really work like make a perfect crust flavor and a perfect filling flavor and combine? Seems like with artificial flavors they might not really work since its not really cherry extract or butter extract etc.
Last time I tried sweet coconut, I was using WL nic and never got results that really satisfied me. Could have been the nic, could have been my ingredients. I'm using VT nic now. I am at long last satisfied with sweet coconut. Only 3 ingredients plus sweetener - give it try!
Middle of Mounds
2% FA Coconut, 1% FA Meringue, 1% FA Marshmallow, 1-2% Sucralose sweetener (start with 1%; IMO Sucralose is totally necessary)
or for stronger flavor: 3% FA Coconut, 1.5% FA Meringue, 1.5% FA Marshmallow, 1.5-3% Sucralose sweetener (always start low)
Mix as strong/weak as you like, keeping the ratios the same. Definitely vape this fresh-mixed; Sucralose can lose sweetness as it ages (which is why I usually avoid it in my recipes).
what didn't work:
Marzipan, Torrone, Almond - can be very tasty, but almond doesn't belong in Mounds (just add Almond for Almond Joy goop flavor)
Meringue alone is too bright; Marshmallow alone isn't bright enough and adds too much background vanilla.
It wasn't near sweet enough even with my max-VG base - until I added Sucralose.
Use a clean coil (d'oh, that messed me up for a while).
why it works
Here are Mounds ingredients. Ignoring the chocolate, it's just corn syrup, coconut, sugar - plus <2% salt, vanilla/vanillin, hydrolyzed milk protein. Corn syrup and sugars are the the main ingredients in marshmallows. That's why Marshmallow belongs. Hydrolyzed milk protein is used as a binder in commercial candies (just like in cheap hamburger patties, yum). In cooking, egg whites do that. Candy can always use more sugar. Egg whites and sugar make meringue, so that's why Meringue belongs. An equal balance of FA Marshmallow and Meringue gets the vanilla right. There's actually more corn syrup than coconut in the real candy, and the only way to make vapes that sweet is with sweetener. It just didn't pop for me until I added it, but I'm really happy with it now. I'm using just under 3% to satisfy my sweet tooth. If you hate Sucralose....it just won't be sweet enough without it. I suppose you could try ethyl maltol ('cotton candy') instead, but I think it might mess up the flavor.
By the way, lick a drop of mixed liquid off your finger - YUM!
disclaimer: I sadly do not have a Mounds bar to compare with...but I like this sweet coconut.
Awesome, HIC, so thanks a million!! This sounds great, and I even have the Marshmallow
I don't have sucralose, but usually use liquid Stevia in micro amounts (toothpick method) for sweetener (a little goes a loooooong way) so hopefully that will work. Thanks again . . . will definitely give this a try!
I don't keep any secrets about how I mix. I'm just afraid my explanation will seem way more complicated than it really is. Actual mixing is very fast for me, just a couple minutes from an idea to first vape.
The 2 biggest keys for me:
* before I ever mix with a flavoring, I vape it standalone. I work up to the minimum % that gives me full flavor and write that down. I vape it stronger, up to double that percent, to see if there are flavor changes. I take voluminous notes about the flavor..you can imagine...how sweet is it, does it remind me of anything, ideas of what to do with it, etc.
* I always mix the tiniest possible batches of new ideas; it minimizes waste
Usually I mix new ideas using drops, but that's more accurate than it sounds. I know how many drops-per-ml my syringes and droppers make. I've calibrated them all write that info right on the syringe/dropper, so it translates easily to percents.
I write down all the flavorings I think I might use and ponder ratios. I put a number 1 next to the minor-est ingredients and work up from there. Those are the number of drops I use. I write that on tape and stick it on the bottle before I add anything to the bottle. No lost recipes this way. I pick one dropper and use it for every flavor, so they're all the same size drops. For every "x" drops of flavoring, I add 1 ml of base. Shake and vape. If I make changes (more flavoring or base), I write it on tape and add it to the bottle.
When I have a recipe the way I like it, all the ingredients are on the bottle. I know the drop size so can figure out the percents from there. Only then do I mix a larger bottle using those percents, just to double check the recipe percents are right (occasionally to see what effect aging it will have). I try to always post recipes in percents so everyone can use it. Every time I post in drops, someone lectures me, lol.
I hope that doesn't sound really complicated.
I add flavor to my 5 ml test bottles ( I actually use ten ml bottles and do 5 ml tests because thye shake up well with half full tem ml bottle).
I will add addl drops/mls to the same bottle, but sometimes when I think I have it right, I will put that bottle aside and start over and go higher or maybe go In a different direction.
There's no video that I'm aware of..... No one right way. I sometimes think you either got it or you don't........ But I also think it can be learned with time.
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Awesome, guys. Its coming together in my mind. HIC that doesn't really seem complicated to me. I would expect with these super concentrated flavorings and the equipment we are working with meticulous processes would be a requirement.
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HIC nailed it on the head on the try it single flavor first. every time I just try mixing new things its usually a fail. small tasters first. ill start mixing those single flavor batches together and see what happens. you will start to see what flavors can do what. I do not really have a method more just again like HIC I know what percents are workable for me from sampling single flavors. from there its how crazy you want to get with the recipe. sometimes its a commercial like my cinnamon vanilla bailys recipe and it just what I imagine it to be or my favorite memories like my moms biscochitos cookies. I replicated the recipe from my moms cookie recipe and it worked out awesome. and sometimes I just throw shit at the wall like thunderball said lol. adams apple cookies or the creamy lemon lime is a good example. from knowing the percents I like and what they tasted like single flavor I just threw some shit together and viola. doesnt always work like that but sometimes you get lucky. its just trial and error and not giving up. and sometimes you are HIC and you spill magic from your finger tips.
I make small batches with low percentages. I use drops for small batches. Heat, shake, and vape. If it tastes like it needs more of something, I add it and adjust percents accordingly. I hardly ever vape flavors standalone. I go by smell for the most part, and by my cooking intuition. I have a few stinkers here and there, but it works for me more than it doesn't.
Yep, sounds a lot like me. Just as in cooking, I make a recipe and then tweak it as needed (because they always need tweaking lol). I usually only make small batches (15 ml tops, mostly with drops) because I tend to tire of mixes quickly and then want to try something different. Also, as with cooking, I really have to be in the mood to mix so I'll probably always be chasing that elusive ADV
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I have no cooking intuition, lol. Lucky for me, I'm happy vaping fairly simple combos for quite a while, as I ponder what else to add. My most complex creation, Pralines (still not very complex, I know), started as something almost completely different - it wasn't going to be a choc vape at all! Maybe one day I'll get round to solving the original recipe, which was more of a sugared nuts type of thing. But, it wasn't really working, I was getting frustrated, and just started shitwalling with various sweet FA flavours (Hyp Mist, Marshmallow, Meringue, ...). Not a clue where the thought to add Cocoa came from, but then it turned into Something Good. Thing is, most steps along the way were perfectly vapable too, so I did
I love that a lot of the FA flavours are OK at 1 or 2%. So throwing those together is really easy, making 2 or 3ml testers (depending on the tips on the bottles) with 1 or 2 drops of each. Even though the result might be totally unbalanced, you can still get an idea of how the flavours are working together (or not), and make notes to use less or more of certain flavours. Sometimes I immediately tip the tank back in the bottle and change the mix, other times I vape a ml and ponder
I love that a lot of the FA flavours are OK at 1 or 2%. So throwing those together is really easy, making 2 or 3ml testers (depending on the tips on the bottles) with 1 or 2 drops of each. Even though the result might be totally unbalanced, you can still get an idea of how the flavours are working together (or not), and make notes to use less or more of certain flavours. Sometimes I immediately tip the tank back in the bottle and change the mix, other times I vape a ml and ponder
Well, that makes two of us. I make the coffee and an occasional dessert, but if I have to make dinner, mac-and-cheese it is. If it has to be fancy, I head to Costco for something premade. I can't stand cooking.
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just threw this together. I have a ton of apple pie variations. I wanted something different again. the % are kinda high but I wanted a lot of apple pie after all my failed attempts at apple pie for sub ohms.
4% FA apple pie
2% FA fuji
1% FA brandy
.5% FA oak wood
4% FA apple pie
2% FA fuji
1% FA brandy
.5% FA oak wood
Is that intended for sub-ohming only?
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oh no I am back on the kayfun again lol. 1.2 ohms . the loss of flavor wasn't worth the clouds . I normally would not go that high on apple pie. actually I dont think I ever have, I like it around 2 or 3 but it still came out good at 4.
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I never was able to use apple pie and like it at sub ohms. its just not the same. and the worst thing about that is apple pie is one of my most used and favorite flavors. had to get my pie fix
I find that you lose sweetness at really low resistance, and some flavors take over. Mostly the bitter part of flavors. IMO, it just tastes hot to me. I have drippers with fairly large airholes, but even when there's enough air to cool it down slightly, nothing really tastes GOOD, or BETTER, below .4 ohms.
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@Cramptholomew thats pretty much what I figured out. I found out what flavors I did like for sub ohms on my little quest . the best way to find something out is just to try it. your white cake is so good sub ohm at .3 where I was testing. one of the sweetest vapes I have tried. I made a FA version inspired by it. not the same but good. 1.2 seems the best for me and mech mods for the flavor I want.
Vanilla Classic does a pretty good job of handling the vanilla part of Cap's VC, but the rest of Cap's is its own thing. Once I finally tried it, it was all over. I'll vape that shit diketones or not!
I'll have to try the cake at really low ohms. I gave up on sub's a while ago, and haven't revisited.
.5-.6 in the Fogger for me. .9-1.0 in Kayfun. Mechs all the way.
Contemplating getting a reo, and running it at ~.6 or so. Can't make up my mind. I was dead set on it about a month ago, but I'm having second thoughts. Birthday's coming up, and that's what I had in my list...
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Marshmallow! Omg, duh! The missing ingredient! Genius HIC, pure genius..