FlavourArt Club ... formally known as the PureVapes thread

[RyGon]

So if there are ≈20 drops per ml wouldn't you need 5ml minimum to test anything at 1%. I have seen a lot of recipes with .5% of some ingredients. 2/3ml testers would have to be at least 2.5/1.7% and moving up in those increments. Also this percentage of flavor is a percentage of the total right so the total volume is changing a little with each drop you are adding. Is this just too little to worry about? Rounding flavors seems like it must be pretty common. Do you guys put nic in these testers? On a related note would 50mg still be too crazy high to work with? Cutting 100mg nic 50/50 just seems easy but are there percentages that will work out to more even numbers if my goal is 6mg juice? I'm guessing making a 30ml batch will be done with syringes in ml so I don't really know yet how easy it is going to be measuring out the nic.

Thanks a million though guys you really treat newbs well here.

 

[RyGon]

.5-.6 in the Fogger for me. .9-1.0 in Kayfun. Mechs all the way.

Contemplating getting a reo, and running it at ~.6 or so. Can't make up my mind. I was dead set on it about a month ago, but I'm having second thoughts. Birthday's coming up, and that's what I had in my list...

You guys and your mechs. You gotta try these new high wattage regulated mods. We aren't working with flashlights anymore. IMO these things are the future and much more viable for mass adoption. Plus you can dial in the wattage for whatever resistance coil you make I can take a 1.4Ohm coil from I think 7-50W. If you normally sub below .35 then you would need one of the 100w boxes.

 

[AmandaD]

So if there are ≈20 drops per ml wouldn't you need 5ml minimum to test anything at 1%. I have seen a lot of recipes with .5% of some ingredients. 2/3ml testers would have to be at least 2.5/1.7% and moving up in those increments. Also this percentage of flavor is a percentage of the total right so the total volume is changing a little with each drop you are adding. Is this just too little to worry about? Rounding flavors seems like it must be pretty common. Do you guys put nic in these testers? On a related note would 50mg still be too crazy high to work with? Cutting 100mg nic 50/50 just seems easy but are there percentages that will work out to more even numbers if my goal is 6mg juice? I'm guessing making a 30ml batch will be done with syringes in ml so I don't really know yet how easy it is going to be measuring out the nic.

Thanks a million though guys you really treat newbs well here.

I vape 6mg, so I make up large amounts of nic at 7% (last go was 2 x10 ounce glass diet tonic bottles!). Because I average 6% flavoring, the end results with flavoring puts me in the ballpark. HIC taught me that the Pure Vapes bottles have around 33 drops, so 1 drop in 6ml is 0.5%. So that's how I make up my samples - I transfer 3mls of all my flavorings to little 3ml Pure Vapes bottles, and then it's really easy to make up tiny amounts for playing around with.

I have little 6ml bottles marked in 1ml increments, so I put in my flavoring drops first and then top up to 6ml with nic base.

 

[Vangrl]

Amanda I do exactly what you do, but I'm realizing now (and like Rygon mentioned), that because the percentage of flavour is actually the percentage of the total mix, that adding flavours keeps bringing down your percentage.

for instance-

I've been doing 6ml tester bottles for the last month.
Tic Tac
6ml base = 33 drops x 6 = 198 drops
2.5% peppermint = 5 drops
2% anise = 4 drops
1% vanilla classic = 2 drops
Total = 209 drops

The recipe below doesn't have much flavour added, so it barely changes the percentages, but it does a bit. Example - 5 drops in a 209 drop base is only 2.39%

But when you start doing higher percent flavoured juice it varies a lot.
I got some TFA Bubblegum and I tried a recipe again using a 6ml base.
6ml base - 198 drops
15% Bubbelgum = 30 drops
3% Strawberry - 6 drops
2% Koolada - 4 drops
Total - 240 drops

So... 30 drops of bubblegum in a total of 240 drops now becomes only 12.5%

I'm not sure if it's going to really make a difference? I kinda knew the math would be off a bit doing it the way I was doing it, but just realized tonight when I tried the bubblegum recipe how much it would be off, when the 6ml bottle started overflowing

 

[Vangrl]

haha I get it now!

Amanda, re-reading your post I'm realizing that you add drops first and then fill the bottle up to 6ml !

omg i can't believe I'm only just getting this. I could get kicked out of the club for this brain-fart

 

[CurlyxCracker]

You guys and your mechs. You gotta try these new high wattage regulated mods. We aren't working with flashlights anymore. IMO these things are the future and much more viable for mass adoption. Plus you can dial in the wattage for whatever resistance coil you make I can take a 1.4Ohm coil from I think 7-50W. If you normally sub below .35 then you would need one of the 100w boxes.

I love a regulated device. Have you ever put 50w to a 1.4ohm coil though, Burnt! Now I've been eying up a beast box for $180ish that does 200w but I can take my mech and do it unregulated cheaper (high wattage not 200w,craziness). Although I have an authentic, I got it in trade and cost me a very small fraction of that price tag. I have a 30w device but that just doesn't do it when I want to spit out clouds.
Btw, I asked before so I apologize if you answered and I did not see it, but what rda are you guys using having trouble subohm? I have a plume veil and even at 0.3 I have zero flavor issues. A magma, although I don't recommend going that low with it will give you crazy good flavor as well. A big chamber and lots of air will mute the flavor quite a bit.. Btw, they're clones I cannot justify $125+ on a RDA... Just too much IMHO.

 

[downInTn]

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Btw, I asked before so I apologize if you answered and I did not see it, but what rda are you guys using having trouble subohm? I have a plume veil and even at 0.3 I have zero flavor issues. A magma, although I don't recommend going that low with it will give you crazy good flavor as well. A big chamber and lots of air will mute the flavor quite a bit.. Btw, they're clones I cannot justify $125+ on a RDA... Just too much IMHO.

This.^
For me sub ohm's aren't so much the problem it's these 22mm+ drippers, even if you restrict the airflow, flavor is just... meh. I love my trusty ol' Igo-L, at 19mm it doesn't look very sexy on top of a 22mm mech but I haven't found anything that beats it for flavor. I may have to try a magma, recently got a Mephisto and it'll blow clouds from the heavens but flavor is a big meh.

 

[Smoky Blue]

I just do not know..
I can't get air flow in a tank, atty or carto.. like I can my dripper..
no airflow makes me feel like I can not get what I want and I can never see me going back to those kinds of set ups.
I stay between .4 and .6 ohms.. I use cotton and silica.. silica for new juices I haven't tasted yet..
I guess I am just way too set in my ways, and it works for me..

I know not a thing on vv/vw.. sometimes I wonder if that is good or not.. but will i go snag one for the sake of it?
no.. I like my thick juice and knowing I can make a decent vape turn out good enough for me to vape and enjoy watching others try my juice out..

it's not perfect.. but then I don't think the perfect vape set up is made for everyone
this is why i like vaping.. it can be customized to each of us..

 

[skagit]

I just do not know..
I can't get air flow in a tank, atty or carto.. like I can my dripper..
no airflow makes me feel like I can not get what I want and I can never see me going back to those kinds of set ups.
I stay between .4 and .6 ohms.. I use cotton and silica.. silica for new juices I haven't tasted yet..
I guess I am just way too set in my ways, and it works for me..

I know not a thing on vv/vw.. sometimes I wonder if that is good or not.. but will i go snag one for the sake of it?
no.. I like my thick juice and knowing I can make a decent vape turn out good enough for me to vape and enjoy watching others try my juice out..

it's not perfect.. but then I don't think the perfect vape set up is made for everyone
this is why i like vaping.. it can be customized to each of us..

I like sub at .5 But find myself using the vv/vw 1.0 ohm Kayfun more. Just because I don't have much time to sit and drip.

 

[Smoky Blue]

I like sub at .5 But find myself using the vv/vw 1.0 ohm Kayfun more. Just because I don't have much time to sit and drip.

*whispers.. that is why they made red lights.. so we can drip and then look both ways! lol

 

[RyGon]

I love a regulated device. Have you ever put 50w to a 1.4ohm coil though, Burnt! Now I've been eying up a beast box for $180ish that does 200w but I can take my mech and do it unregulated cheaper (high wattage not 200w,craziness). Although I have an authentic, I got it in trade and cost me a very small fraction of that price tag. I have a 30w device but that just doesn't do it when I want to spit out clouds.
Btw, I asked before so I apologize if you answered and I did not see it, but what rda are you guys using having trouble subohm? I have a plume veil and even at 0.3 I have zero flavor issues. A magma, although I don't recommend going that low with it will give you crazy good flavor as well. A big chamber and lots of air will mute the flavor quite a bit.. Btw, they're clones I cannot justify $125+ on a RDA... Just too much IMHO.

I haven't put 50W to a 1.4Ohm coil but if I open my Plume Veil all the way up I can put 50W through a 1.4Ohm dual coil. Besides, you don't have to make a higher resistance coil. My iPV2 will fire down to .2Ohms if you want. Personally I prefer it with the airflow closed off about 1/3 and at 35-37.5W. I just like a 2-3 second draw better.

 

[Emilie]

Aaaargh! I can't keep up with this thread anymore! :bawl:



That said, I'm really bummed that I haven't been able to buy any new flavors that I need for various recipes for a long time now.

My husband "officially" starts his new job today, so it will be 2-3 weeks before I can get any new flavors. I really need Vienna Cream...

 

[Hermit]

So if there are ≈20 drops per ml wouldn't you need 5ml minimum to test anything at 1%. I have seen a lot of recipes with .5% of some ingredients. 2/3ml testers would have to be at least 2.5/1.7% and moving up in those increments. Also this percentage of flavor is a percentage of the total right so the total volume is changing a little with each drop you are adding. Is this just too little to worry about? Rounding flavors seems like it must be pretty common.

It would, but most/all bottles work out at more drops per ml than that - about 33 for the original FA bottles with the wider nozzle, and about 50 to 60 drops for the narrow nozzles. So that's where the 3ml or 2ml comes from. It helps to have bottles that all have the same nozzle size - I change mine to the narrow ones (since I bought mostly samplers that already had that nozzle). For these early tests, I don't worry much about total volume or strength, just the approx. ratios of flavours. Obviously, to work with 0.5% amounts, do 4 to 6ml instead.

Another trick I learned form HIC is to make diluted versions of strong/difficult flavourings (with PG), such that 1 or 2 drops in a tester is about right.

Do you guys put nic in these testers? On a related note would 50mg still be too crazy high to work with? Cutting 100mg nic 50/50 just seems easy but are there percentages that will work out to more even numbers if my goal is 6mg juice? I'm guessing making a 30ml batch will be done with syringes in ml so I don't really know yet how easy it is going to be measuring out the nic.

Yes, I think most of us do put nic in, but premix some nic base first. You could make it slightly higher % to allow for the reduction when adding flavourings, say 6.3mg if you're aiming for 6mg in the end. And since flavourings are PG-based, perhaps slightly higher VG content as well. But I don't worry about doing that so precisely, and round my premix to easy numbers instead. I currently make 100ml using 15ml of 72mg nic (in PG), 35ml of PG, and 50ml of VG, which comes out to 10.8mg 50:50. I then put some of that into a 30ml bottle with a nozzle, so it's easy to squirt a couple of ml for a tester.

 

[Ld3441]

Aaaargh! I can't keep up with this thread anymore! :bawl:



That said, I'm really bummed that I haven't been able to buy any new flavors that I need for various recipes for a long time now.

My husband "officially" starts his new job today, so it will be 2-3 weeks before I can get any new flavors. I really need Vienna Cream...

Congrats on the hubby's job! Things will look better in no time. Sending PM.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

I haven't put 50W to a 1.4Ohm coil but if I open my Plume Veil all the way up I can put 50W through a 1.4Ohm dual coil. Besides, you don't have to make a higher resistance coil. My iPV2 will fire down to .2Ohms if you want. Personally I prefer it with the airflow closed off about 1/3 and at 35-37.5W. I just like a 2-3 second draw better.

I love the plume wide open! I wish I would have waited for the ipv2, got caught up in the hana clone

 

[HeadInClouds]

So if there are ≈20 drops per ml wouldn't you need 5ml minimum to test anything at 1%. I have seen a lot of recipes with .5% of some ingredients. 2/3ml testers would have to be at least 2.5/1.7% and moving up in those increments. Also this percentage of flavor is a percentage of the total right so the total volume is changing a little with each drop you are adding. Is this just too little to worry about? Rounding flavors seems like it must be pretty common. Do you guys put nic in these testers? On a related note would 50mg still be too crazy high to work with? Cutting 100mg nic 50/50 just seems easy but are there percentages that will work out to more even numbers if my goal is 6mg juice? I'm guessing making a 30ml batch will be done with syringes in ml so I don't really know yet how easy it is going to be measuring out the nic.

Amanda explained well how she makes 0.5% using 1 drop from a purevapes bottle in 6ml of base. I often use those bottles the same way. I use tiny 3ml bottles for most of my testers; one 'purevapes drop' in there is 1%. buuuut...

Some flavorings are so concentrated that I often need 0.25% or less. Instead of making a bigger bottle of the recipe so that I can use one drop = 0.25%, I make a diluted bottle of flavoring. FA Honey, for example. I made a tiny (well labeled!) bottle of 10% FA Honey to use as flavoring. If I'm mixing a recipe in quantities where 1 drop would be 1%, then one drop of that 10% Honey dilution gives me 0.1% Honey. Make sense?

I also use10% dilutions for all FA tobaccos, because I usually mix those at tiny percents and always in small batches. This gives really accurate, easily reproduced results - and little waste if the mix is horrible.

 

[RyGon]

I love the plume wide open! I wish I would have waited for the ipv2, got caught up in the hana clone

They already have the iPV2s (upgradable 60W) and soon iPV3 (100W). Save up for 6 months and you can probably get the iPV5 or 6 .

Amanda explained well how she makes 0.5% using 1 drop from a purevapes bottle in 6ml of base. I often use those bottles the same way. I use tiny 3ml bottles for most of my testers; one 'purevapes drop' in there is 1%. buuuut...

Some flavorings are so concentrated that I often need 0.25% or less. Instead of making a bigger bottle of the recipe so that I can use one drop = 0.25%, I make a diluted bottle of flavoring. FA Honey, for example. I made a tiny (well labeled!) bottle of 10% FA Honey to use as flavoring. If I'm mixing a recipe in quantities where 1 drop would be 1%, then one drop of that 10% Honey dilution gives me 0.1% Honey. Make sense?

I also use10% dilutions for all FA tobaccos, because I usually mix those at tiny percents and always in small batches. This gives really accurate, easily reproduced results - and little waste if the mix is horrible.

Roger that. Everything I got was the sample size from PV so I should have plenty of those little droppers soon.

 

[Hermit]

Well, that makes two of us. I make the coffee and an occasional dessert

That's more than me then! Fairly fussy about my coffee though

 

[Hermit]

They already have the iPV2s (upgradable 60W) and soon iPV3 (100W). Save up for 6 months and you can probably get the iPV5 or 6 .

Is 50 Watts not enough?!

 

[RyGon]

That's more than me then! Fairly fussy about my coffee though

I love to cook. I hope that doesn't mean I will a bad juice mixologist. I have developed some recipes myself, like a yankee chili and a pulled pork rub. We also make a lot of authentic Mexican from scratch. My Father-in-Law is Mexican.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Is 50 Watts not enough?!

Haha, I really want the 200w beast box! I highly doubt I could ever vape 200w but it sure is nice knowing I could! At least until they make the 1.21 gigawatt mod, then I'll be all over that

 

[Ld3441]

Haha, I really want the 200w beast box! I highly doubt I could ever vape 200w but it sure is nice knowing I could! At least until they make the 1.21 gigawatt mod, then I'll be all over that

Boys and their toys. LOL

 

[Hermit]

Haha, I really want the 200w beast box! I highly doubt I could ever vape 200w but it sure is nice knowing I could! At least until they make the 1.21 gigawatt mod, then I'll be all over that

Ah, but would you go back and stop yourself from starting to smoke? There could be... unintended consequences

 

[Hermit]

I love to cook. I hope that doesn't mean I will a bad juice mixologist. I have developed some recipes myself, like a yankee chili and a pulled pork rub. We also make a lot of authentic Mexican from scratch. My Father-in-Law is Mexican.

Nah, should help. Occasional dessert making probably helps more though!

I don't neccessarily aim for replicating real foods anyway... as long as it vapes nice, I'm fine

 

[RyGon]

Nah, should help. Occasional dessert making probably helps more though!

I don't neccessarily aim for replicating real foods anyway... as long as it vapes nice, I'm fine

Yeah I was just joking but come to think of it I haven't made many deserts from scratch. We have an old family recipe for Christmas cookies we make each year and I made some paska buns for my German Mother-in-Law last Easter but most deserts we make usually come out of a box.

 

[HeadInClouds]

I love to cook. I hope that doesn't mean I will a bad juice mixologist. I have developed some recipes myself, like a yankee chili and a pulled pork rub. We also make a lot of authentic Mexican from scratch. My Father-in-Law is Mexican.

I think you're at a huge advantage if you're an experienced cook like you, Cramptholomew, and many others here.
But even if your idea of cooking is pressing buttons on a microwave, you can mix great vapes.

 

[RyGon]

Hey, I just had an idea. You guys could use some of your best mixes to make gourmet hard tack candy!!

 

[AmandaD]

HIC I'm totally shocked to hear you don't cook! I was absolutely convinced you must be a whiz in the kitchen, whipping up little gourmet delights on a daily basis......

 

[RyGon]

Haha, I really want the 200w beast box! I highly doubt I could ever vape 200w but it sure is nice knowing I could! At least until they make the 1.21 gigawatt mod, then I'll be all over that

 

[RyGon]

Let it begin!

 

[Huckleberried]

I see apple tobaccos in your future!

 

[RyGon]

I see apple tobaccos in your future!

Might take me a while to try them all out on their own. I have another 17 flavors still on the way.

 

[maddvaper]

Caution if you make good juice it can be alil addictive .

 

[RyGon]

Caution if you make good juice it can be alil addictive . View attachment 4368

I am going to stay in FA e-cig line so that should help a bit. That yellow bottle in the back looks like break fluid, lol.

 

[maddvaper]

No its Heat for a seperate project.Cut me alil slack it's my kitchen table

 

[HeadInClouds]

No its Heat for a seperate project.Cut me alil slack it's my kitchen table

hahaha - interesting guest you have at your table!

 

[RyGon]

No its Heat for a seperate project.Cut me alil slack it's my kitchen table

Oh yeah HEET, I don't know why I thought break fluid. Fuel additives come in that type of bottle.

edit: Hey, why are your FA flavors nearly empty but the Capellas are nearly full?

 

[maddvaper]

Thanks H.I.C.,He 's the brains behind my operation.I 've read most your stuff on here.The neat thing is that other than our percentages differing I'm onboard with everything you've said.............Good stuff.

 

[HeadInClouds]

HIC I'm totally shocked to hear you don't cook! I was absolutely convinced you must be a whiz in the kitchen, whipping up little gourmet delights on a daily basis......

I can make awesome truffles, cookies, tarts/pies (the more unusual, the better) usually around Christmas. But every cake I've ever made has stuck to the pan, overflowed, or deflated - so I no longer attempt real baked stuff. I can't even get boxed brownies right. The sight of raw meat makes me gag, and I don't know what to do with veggies other than salad. Thank goodness everyone else in my family cooks so well, and everyone with different specialties.

I'm vaping Marzipan + Hazelnut at equal but tiny percents right now. This is so good! It reminds me of German cookies. I'm sure to vape the flavor I have in mind for this, long before I make a real batch. I really enjoy eating and vaping the same flavor at the same time; that motivates me to venture into the cupboard from time to time.

 

[maddvaper]

Oh yeah HEET, I don't know why I thought break fluid. Fuel additives come in that type of bottle.

edit: Hey, why are your FA flavors nearly empty but the Capellas are nearly full?

Flavour art to the left,T.p.a. to the right.Not much on Capalla personally myself'n all.

 

[Huckleberried]

I love to cook, boyfriend is better at it. He's like HIC is to mixing when it comes to cooking. No recipes, just thought process through his head, then he hits the grocery for his flavors. He has so much fun while he cooks! Turns up the music, dances. Love to watch him, plus he can really dance!. This could be one reason I'm not one of those vapers that lost weight since starting. I'm a better baker than I am a cook. He hates baking, so leaves that to me.

 

[RyGon]

So I went ahead and made up a 3ml tester of the kiwi I worked up to 4% before I thought I had something I could recognize as kiwi. Still very light flavor compared to commercial juice and even though I'm using all vg in my base it has almost no sweetness that I can taste. I guess I prefer pretty sweet juice. I don't have any of the sweetening flavors here yet but I do have some whole foods liquid stevia. Any thoughts or hints at using stevia?

Flavour art to the left,T.p.a. to the right.All fully stoc

Flavour art to the left,T.p.a. to the right.Not much on Capalla personally myself'n all.

Oh I saw the one in the middle and just figured all the white caps were the same.

 

[HeadInClouds]

Thanks H.I.C.,He 's the brains behind my operation.I 've read most your stuff on here.The neat thing is that other than our percentages differing I'm onboard with everything you've said.............Good stuff.

I minimize flavorings to minimize my PG intake. If FA were alcohol-based, I could vape with more, but I've come to like less bold flavor.

Lately I've been vaping with stronger flavoring, so my tinnitus is driving me nuts now. I have to keep flavorings extra light a few days. Fortunately many of FA's allow me to still get good flavor. This Marzipan + Hazelnut is flippin' great with under 2% total flavoring!

 

[Smoky Blue]

Aaaargh! I can't keep up with this thread anymore! :bawl:



That said, I'm really bummed that I haven't been able to buy any new flavors that I need for various recipes for a long time now.

My husband "officially" starts his new job today, so it will be 2-3 weeks before I can get any new flavors. I really need Vienna Cream...

Congrats, Emily.. Patience.. I know it is tuff at times..
I hope your hubby's new job will be good and he will enjoy it..

 

[70414]

Anyone else seen the crazy flavors lays potato chips has been coming out with? I tried the Texas bbq ones, a bit scary you can actually taste grilled meat. There's a cappuccino flavor too. Haven't felt up to trying it yet.

Cappuccino was gross. Hint of cinnamon and a rotten something in the background.

 

[RyGon]

No, no nevermind. I am not liking the stevia. Its got a kinda minty molasses taste. Might have to move away from the fruits until I get some sweetening flavors in.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

I love to cook, boyfriend is better at it. He's like HIC is to mixing when it comes to cooking. No recipes, just thought process through his head, then he hits the grocery for his flavors. He has so much fun while he cooks! Turns up the music, dances. Love to watch him, plus he can really dance!. This could be one reason I'm not one of those vapers that lost weight since starting. I'm a better baker than I am a cook. He hates baking, so leaves that to me.

Sounds like me and the wife, minus the dancing, unless I've had one too many... Lol

 

[CurlyxCracker]

So I went ahead and made up a 3ml tester of the kiwi I worked up to 4% before I thought I had something I could recognize as kiwi. Still very light flavor compared to commercial juice and even though I'm using all vg in my base it has almost no sweetness that I can taste. I guess I prefer pretty sweet juice. I don't have any of the sweetening flavors here yet but I do have some whole foods liquid stevia. Any thoughts or hints at using stevia?View attachment 4373


Oh I saw the one in the middle and just figured all the white caps were the same.

I stay away from sweetners, dulls flavors over time. If you have meringue coming give that a try in small percentages

 

[Huckleberried]

Cappuccino was gross. Hint of cinnamon and a rotten something in the background.

Yeah, potato. >shiver<

 

[Ace]

I'm jealous. Wonder when i lost that kind of joy in simple things. Of course i also can't dance for shit and won't even attempt it without a couple (or several) drinks in me.

I love to cook, boyfriend is better at it. He's like HIC is to mixing when it comes to cooking. No recipes, just thought process through his head, then he hits the grocery for his flavors. He has so much fun while he cooks! Turns up the music, dances. Love to watch him, plus he can really dance!. This could be one reason I'm not one of those vapers that lost weight since starting. I'm a better baker than I am a cook. He hates baking, so leaves that to me.