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No ypu thank him next year when the $384 is more like $425 instead..

SO horrible we get to NOT give as much money to the Government.....


Now if we can get them to spend less money. Government taking less and spending less would really stimulate the economy. Only thing better would be World War.

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Roy Moore Takes Polygraph and Files Complaint for Election Fraud: DEMS Cheated; We Finally Have the Proof

The election experts, who submitted affidavits in the complaint, agree that the irregularities in 20 precincts of Jefferson County alone are enough to reverse the outcome of the election. Richard Charnin, who holds three degrees in applied mathematics, and who has written four books on election fraud, calculates the probability of the election results in these precincts happening naturally is “less than one in 15 billion.”
 

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Roy Moore Takes Polygraph and Files Complaint for Election Fraud: DEMS Cheated; We Finally Have the Proof

The election experts, who submitted affidavits in the complaint, agree that the irregularities in 20 precincts of Jefferson County alone are enough to reverse the outcome of the election. Richard Charnin, who holds three degrees in applied mathematics, and who has written four books on election fraud, calculates the probability of the election results in these precincts happening naturally is “less than one in 15 billion.”

Of course. He wants to sell more books :)

It is all that Chad's fault.
If he would just not hang out around the polling places.
 

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So Trump renewed Obama's Iran Nuke deal 2 times...
yeah a crappy non deal but Trump renewed it 2 times and the republican controlled congress has not take actions either....

 

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Prediction.
After Trump leaves the office of president he will officially become a Fox 'news' commentator.​
 

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So Trump renewed Obama's Iran Nuke deal 2 times...
yeah a crappy non deal but Trump renewed it 2 times and the republican controlled congress has not take actions either....

They are not getting rid of it because its a good deal. Iran is not building nuclear weapons and they played a huge hand in defeating ISIS. All the allegations trump likes cite as reasons to cancel the deal have been such bullshit, they've resorted to claiming the "spirit" of the deal has been violated.
 

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They are not getting rid of it because its a good deal. Iran is not building nuclear weapons and they played a huge hand in defeating ISIS. All the allegations trump likes cite as reasons to cancel the deal have been such bullshit, they've resorted to claiming the "spirit" of the deal has been violated.
I consider 90% of what Trump says as bullshit.
Like his fake news claim to have signed the most bills evah!
 

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Trump touts the proposed Foxconn (Taiwan based) plant in WI as a MAGA thing....
In reality it is just a continuation of the globalized selling of America.


The $3 billion incentive package used to lure Foxconn to Wisconsin to build a giant factory was only the beginning.
Associated sweeteners have now grown to more than $4 billion -- adding in the cost of local government incentives and various infrastructure projects, like roads and highways, sewer and power lines.
Foxconn is also being allowed to skip state environmental rules and oversight it would otherwise have had to follow.
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But the low unemployment in the state has some existing businesses worried that the plant, which could employ up to 13,000 workers, will make it that much harder for them to find workers. Unemployment in Wisconsin is just 3.2%, near its record low. The entire state has only 102,000 unemployed workers.
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n fact, among the additional costs to the Foxconn project is a $6.8 million advertising campaign to woo workers from out of state to work in Wisconsin, including at the new plant.
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The state's package is poised to give the company up to $3 billion in tax credits and breaks. It would be one of the biggest incentive packages ever promised a company to locate a plant in the United States. And, according to Wisconsin's estimates, it will take until at least 2043 for the state to recoup that lost tax revenue.
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In addition, the local electric utility is upgrading its lines and adding substations to provide the necessary power that will be used by the plant, at a cost of $140 million. The cost of those projects will be paid by 5 million customers in the area.


http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/28/news/companies/foxconn-wisconsin-incentive-package/index.html
 
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So now Trump is saying that he is at least as good as Obama?

"While the Fake News loves to talk about my so-called low approval rating, @foxandfriends just showed that my rating on Dec. 28, 2017, was approximately the same as President Obama on Dec. 28, 2009, which was 47%...and this despite massive negative Trump coverage & Russia hoax!" he tweeted.
 

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So now Trump is saying that he is at least as good as Obama?

"While the Fake News loves to talk about my so-called low approval rating, @foxandfriends just showed that my rating on Dec. 28, 2017, was approximately the same as President Obama on Dec. 28, 2009, which was 47%...and this despite massive negative Trump coverage & Russia hoax!" he tweeted.
Not like The Big O Left the bar real high.

A presidents rating being a reflection of MSM coverage. .. more you cover a President the lower the rating..... the more you AVOID covering the president the higher.... after 8 years of cheerleading and covering up. you would think Obama would have a higher rating.

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Not like The Big O Left the bar real high.

A presidents rating being a reflection of MSM coverage. .. more you cover a President the lower the rating..... the more you AVOID covering the president the higher.... after 8 years of cheerleading and covering up. you would think Obama would have a higher rating.

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Actually at this point in his presidency Obama was a bit higher in ratings than Reagan :)
And this was at the same time in their presidency not after 8 years :)

Yep some cheerleaded for Obama and some do for Trump.
I did for neither.
Most have difficulty iunderstanding that.
If I am against their guy I just have to be for the other side. LOL
I am just for my side.
 

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Just saying poll rating are worthless g
As they more accurate reflect coverage of the president vs actual deeds of the president's.....

Obama had high early ratings due to constant cheering and the fact that he blamed Bush for all bad things that happened. At least for the first 6 years. Then there was the fact that if one were to talk negative of BO it was racist. It was racist to not support the president.....

Now it's racist too support the president.

The left needs to decide what is Good and What is bad... then stick to the decision. But then being on both sides of all issues is the Democrat way.

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It appears that Trump ignoring Puerto Rico's hurricane damage is making America less great.
Talked with a nurse a while ago. She had just spent 8 hours doing a manual syringe IV due to the critical shortqage of IV bags that used to come from Puerto Rico.
Went to pick up wifes meds at the pharmacy.
No Levothyroxin in stock due to it being made in Puerto Rico...
And when they do get some it will be 2X the price...

Yep Trump is making America Grate again.

Trump claims to be a business man and his worshipers seem to think so as well.
He is just a loud mouthed ass with very little business sense at all.

Still at this time about 50% of Puerto Rico is without power.
KY just sent some Power technicians down there.

Downright shameful to treat a US protectorate this way....
I doubt that they will ever want to become a state and may want to be a protectorate of some other nation.
 

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Downright shameful to treat a US protectorate this way....
I doubt that they will ever want to become a state and may want to be a protectorate of some other nation.
Since they've steadfastly refused to speak English for 100 years now, I have just one thing to say to them:

Adiós, amigos!

Maybe they'd be a better fit with Venezuela or Cuba? :wave:
 

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Since they've steadfastly refused to speak English for 100 years now, I have just one thing to say to them:

Adiós, amigos!

Maybe they'd be a better fit with Venezuela or Cuba? :wave:
Adios to lower priced medications since many are made there.

Well we should just cut them loose then?

Ohh wait they are a good cheap labor source....
 

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Adios to lower priced medications since many are made there.

Well we should just cut them loose then?

Ohh wait they are a good cheap labor source....
If you think there's any real relationship between the cost to produce a particular medication and the price that American consumers (or more likely, their "insurers") are charged for it, you need to put down the medicinal herbs.
 

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If you think there's any real relationship between the cost to produce a particular medication and the price that American consumers (or more likely, their "insurers") are charged for it, you need to put down the medicinal herbs.
Irrelevant in this case.
But is ALSO true.
We have medical supply shortages in the USA due to the hurricane damage in PR and our lax aid for them.
 

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Irrelevant in this case.
But is ALSO true.
We have medical supply shortages in the USA due to the hurricane damage in PR and our lax aid for them.

There's nothing preventing you from sending em a check. ... I mean when/ if ever you get done complaining about America.
 

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There's nothing preventing you from sending em a check. ... I mean when/ if ever you get done complaining about America.
Trump is NOT America.
Too bad the rest of the world does not understand that.

Also Trump complains more about America than I do :)
 
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It appears that Trump ignoring Puerto Rico's hurricane damage is making America less great.
Talked with a nurse a while ago. She had just spent 8 hours doing a manual syringe IV due to the critical shortqage of IV bags that used to come from Puerto Rico.
Went to pick up wifes meds at the pharmacy.
No Levothyroxin in stock due to it being made in Puerto Rico...
And when they do get some it will be 2X the price...

Yep Trump is making America Grate again.

Trump claims to be a business man and his worshipers seem to think so as well.
He is just a loud mouthed ass with very little business sense at all.

Still at this time about 50% of Puerto Rico is without power.
KY just sent some Power technicians down there.

Downright shameful to treat a US protectorate this way....
I doubt that they will ever want to become a state and may want to be a protectorate of some other nation.
And How are any Of Puerto Rico s problems Donalds fault? He is the president NOT the governor or a member of congress. He's not the one responsible for the corruption or weather.

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And How are any Of Puerto Rico s problems Donalds fault? He is the president NOT the governor or a member of congress. He's not the one responsible for the corruption or weather.

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As Reagan said the buck stops there.
Plus his party controls both houses of congress.

He is the CEO and has been dissing PR's disaster recovery needs.

Would you have said this in defending Obama as well?
Using your logic Trumps deserves no credit for the Republican Tax Reform.
 

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Irrelevant in this case.
But is ALSO true.
We have medical supply shortages in the USA due to the hurricane damage in PR and our lax aid for them.
They live on a island in the middle of Hurricane Alley...... maybe they should have bought a couple umbrellas..........

Lack of preparation was not the fault of CURRENT Administration..or any administration.... NEXT season........you can blame Trump for the weather.

It like saying Bush was involved in the 911plot...... unless you are also saying he was continuing work started by Bill or papa. Jr just wasn't in office long enough to be responsible.



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Yep which is why any senator that didn't vote cutting taxes needs to be voted out of office.....

Because it's the NO votes that made them temporary.



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It was planned political maneuvering by the Republicans is why they are not permanent.
 

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It was planned political maneuvering by the Republicans is why they are not permanent.
The Republicans would happily have made them permanent, but that would have required 60 votes in the Senate due to that chamber's parliamentary rules. In the end, the reason those cuts aren't permanent is because no Democrat was willing to vote for any cuts at all.
 

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The Republicans would happily have made them permanent, but that would have required 60 votes in the Senate due to that chamber's parliamentary rules. In the end, the reason those cuts aren't permanent is because no Democrat was willing to vote for any cuts at all.
And why was it introduced in the Republican controlled senate in the way it was vs in the Republican controlled house.
As I say political manipulation to gain their desired result and still blame it on the Demoncrats.
I can see it worked very well for most....

Your understanding of the situation is not deep enough.
Republicans could have worked it differently.
But it worked as they wanted it to.
 
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Senate rules don't authorize legislation that adds to the deficit after 10 years without 60 votes.

So they made the individual cuts expire instead of some of the corporate cuts expire too?

This WAS a CHOICE by the Republicans in the Senate.
They could have chosen to make some of the corporate tax cuts expire too to avoid the 60 vote rule AND keep some personal cuts.

End of story.

 

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Senate rules don't authorize legislation that adds to the deficit after 10 years without 60 votes.

So they made the individual cuts expire instead of some of the corporate cuts expire too?

This WAS a CHOICE by the Republicans in the Senate.
They could have chosen to make some of the corporate tax cuts expire too to avoid the 60 vote rule AND keep some personal cuts.

End of story.

It also how we got Obama care.....

Hey these tax cuts are crap.....
But they are crap not because of the cuts.... they are crap because they don't include major reductions in spending.... IMO. If corporate America can be force to do 5 to 10 percent cost reductions per year.... Government should be able to do likewise....
Step one get Government OUT of the charity business. That's what nonprofits and churches are for....
Step 2 get government out of the healthcare business.
Do those 2 things you eliminate about 80% OF federal spending.

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That's what nonprofits and churches are for....
Ahh Chuches seem to have a 10% payroll tax....
I will avoid those 'Church' taxes.
Besides our taxes paid for state and local support the services tax free churches get.
Churches seem to spend most of their money on being a church and new buildings, etc.
And ohh those Building funds :)


eager for the elderly and poor to die scrooge?

And 80% for health care?
Not even if you figure in military health care obligations.

And Medicare collects premiums which are not show as offsetting part of the budget dollars spent on Medicare.
Same with social Security.
Technically SS has a couple trillion or so surplus....
 
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This is NOT a parody or joke. Well I guess it is but not intended that way.
It is a proud product of the right Wing. Just like Donald is.

 

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Ahh Chuches seem to have a 10% payroll tax....
I will avoid those 'Church' taxes.
Besides our taxes paid for state and local support the services tax free churches get.
Churches seem to spend most of their money on being a church and new buildings, etc.
And ohh those Building funds :)


eager for the elderly and poor to die scrooge?

And 80% for health care?
Not even if you figure in military health care obligations.

And Medicare collects premiums which are not show as offsetting part of the budget dollars spent on Medicare.
Same with social Security.
Technically SS has a couple trillion or so surplus....
Yeah it will require repeal of many laws that make it illegal for churches and charities to do things they.. histirically used to.... before the Government assumed those activities... in complete violation of the constituion.



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Adios to lower priced medications since many are made there.

Well we should just cut them loose then?

Ohh wait they are a good cheap labor source....

Maybe those Pharma companies should have put their factories in a place with a secure electric grid. PR's grid has always been shit and I'm pretty sure most everyone knows about the hurricane risk.

Pharma companies with poor business practices are not Trump's fault. That is on the companies. Their poor choice of location and failure to back up with generators in the case of the COMMON risk of huricanes is their own failure. Moving that blame to Trump is liberal logic at it's best. Trump didn't put those factories there.

And, it really is that simple.
 

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And why was it introduced in the Republican controlled senate in the way it was vs in the Republican controlled house.
As I say political manipulation to gain their desired result and still blame it on the Demoncrats.
I can see it worked very well for most....

Your understanding of the situation is not deep enough.
Republicans could have worked it differently.
But it worked as they wanted it to.

Your understanding of the situation is too deep. It's really quite simple.

If Democrats wanted the cuts to be permanent, they could have got on board and voted for them. At any vote count. R's would have voted for them so if the Dims wanted them it would have passed.

But the Dims did not want middle class tax cuts at all. So the R's gave us what they could. Ten years is better than zero years.

And yes, it's really that simple.
 

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And the moonbats won't stop spending... ever.
It really is that simple.
The really sad thing is...... being generous....... the cost of government could be cut by at least 50%.. without reducing any Benefits paid to or on behalf of individual citizens.....
government should not be the Largest employer in any field except security or defense. As it is government is the largest employer PERIOD.

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The really sad thing is...... being generous....... the cost of government could be cut by at least 50%.. without reducing any Benefits paid to or on behalf of individual citizens.....
government should not be the Largest employer in any field except security or defense. As it is government is the largest employer PERIOD.

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All governments Federal, state and local are the largest single employer yep.
And they have the best unions as well.
Both political parties could also be considered unions in many ways.
 
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