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Dragon25

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I like my waffles with syrup :giggle::giggle::giggle::devil:. I'm just messing around buddy, I'm the king of typos lol

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No typo I think Waffles are what they call Raffles on facebook etc so they are not known as raffles due to certain rules ,laws etc. Again I may be wrong but seems Like I've seen spots for Waffles on facebook..anyone is this correct !
 

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Are there any mods in our cult ?
I'm still a "New Member" but I see several Gold and Bronze ..Contributors ...wonder why they are not called Gold Members...perhaps something to do with that movie ..???
 

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Dragon25

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I didn't know that. I was just trying to be funny (failed miserably as usual). I was just joking around.
As mentioned I may be wrong..sure would'nt be the first time.. I don't own a cellphone and seldom go on facewook but get lots "spam" on facebbok and pretty sure have seen "waffle' spots Example here is even a facebook page with Waffle in the name https://www.facebook.com/groups/930546620335170/
 

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As mentioned I may be wrong..sure would'nt be the first time.. I don't own a cellphone and seldom go on facewook but get lots "spam" on facebbok and pretty sure have seen "waffle' spots Example here is even a facebook page with Waffle in the name https://www.facebook.com/groups/930546620335170/
I wasn't saying you were wrong, I was just saying I didn't know that. It ruined a perfectly good attempt at humor lmao. I don't go on FB much myself so I really didn't know.
“The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.”

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I wasn't saying you were wrong, I was just saying I didn't know that. It ruined a perfectly good attempt at humor lmao. I don't go on FB much myself so I really didn't know.
“The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.”

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All good , ... I know you werenot trying to say I was wrong -I was saying I could be asI tend to doubt(second guess) my knowledge more & more as I get older But I like waffles with blueberry syrup also !! Also if anyone wants do do the $4 -25 spot Vi133contest I'm in
 

Wingsfan0310

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Man am I ever glad I ordered when I did. Ecig.com only has the Black frame with Silver Cover left in stock now. They should donate us one for a giveaway. This thread had to sell a ton of them (I'm talking about all of us relaying our experiences with it). I can't believe how quick they went! Looks like 5 it is :D:giggle:
http://www.ecig.com/hcigar-vt133-200w-dna-box-mod.html?___SID=U

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Steve
 

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Man am I ever glad I ordered when I did. Ecig.com only has the Black frame with Silver Cover left in stock now. They should donate us one for a giveaway. This thread had to sell a ton of them (I'm talking about all of us relaying our experiences with it). I can't believe how quick they went! Looks like 5 it is :D:giggle:
http://www.ecig.com/hcigar-vt133-200w-dna-box-mod.html?___SID=U

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Steve
lmao Steve....when you posted they were back in stock at ecig I immediately went to ecig to get another yellow 133. I told Zach you posted the link regarding the availability at ecig...Zach said he would brace himself for the onslaught of sales....:)

Didn't take long to wipe them out again.....:vino:

My fifth 133 is in transit.......:crazy:......:cry:.....:giggle:
 

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Man am I ever glad I ordered when I did. Ecig.com only has the Black frame with Silver Cover left in stock now. They should donate us one for a giveaway. This thread had to sell a ton of them (I'm talking about all of us relaying our experiences with it). I can't believe how quick they went! Looks like 5 it is :D:giggle:
http://www.ecig.com/hcigar-vt133-200w-dna-box-mod.html?___SID=U

Cheers,
Steve
Well that's what I get for sitting on the sideline too long. I was just making my way back around to the idea of picking up the Silver. I was outside in garage vaping as usual. I picked up the 133 loaded with my Griffin and said to myself "I should get the silver". Been a long tiring road trying to find another DNA as nice. Dang...this is what happens when u spend too much time looking for Unicorns.

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Dragon25

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Man am I ever glad I ordered when I did. Ecig.com only has the Black frame with Silver Cover left in stock now. They should donate us one for a giveaway. This thread had to sell a ton of them (I'm talking about all of us relaying our experiences with it). I can't believe how quick they went! Looks like 5 it is :D:giggle:
http://www.ecig.com/hcigar-vt133-200w-dna-box-mod.html?___SID=U

Cheers,
Steve
Yep at this rate they will be gone before they could be had at a 20 % July 4th sale(if they offer this deal again). I think that " BOCA10" coupon code helped many pick Ecig over VapeNW (which still has both black/silver black/black models left) even though both were$80 shipped with codes. Wish I'd seen them before I ordered from VapeNW still regret just a tad not getting a blue/black model. I'm really digging my slime green/black example. The black &silver covers are just to slick feeling compared to the rubberized colored models. Still more then happy I scooped up my second one in black for $80 from VapeNW. On another note has anyone actually got one the silver framed examples ? If so who sold those ?
 
VapeNW is send packages signature required. I saw the mailman as I was leaving and was pumped to get my 133 and Aromamizer Supreme. Got home and in the mailbox was a note to go to the Post Office on Tuesday. It will be my second, so at least I am able to enjoy it with my 133 with my Griffin 25.

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Wingsfan0310

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Well that's what I get for sitting on the sideline too long. I was just making my way back around to the idea of picking up the Silver. I was outside in garage vaping as usual. I picked up the 133 loaded with my Griffin and said to myself "I should get the silver". Been a long tiring road trying to find another DNA as nice. Dang...this is what happens when u spend too much time looking for Unicorns.

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I'll be the enabler this time (first time ever :giggle:). Ecig still has the Black/Silver left. It's the only one they have left. Make sure to chat with them to get a 10% code if you go that route (every little bit helps). I have a few 10% codes but I think they change depending on who's manning the live chat.

Cheers,
Steve
 

Dragon25

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VapeNW is send packages signature required. I saw the mailman as I was leaving and was pumped to get my 133 and Aromamizer Supreme. Got home and in the mailbox was a note to go to the Post Office on Tuesday. It will be my second, so at least I am able to enjoy it with my 133 with my Griffin 25.

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Sorry to hear you missed the mailman..sucks when that happens ,least for me as I have to drive 20 miles to P.O.BIG THANKS for the heads up so I'll know to be around . I usually prefer to sign for my mail as 30% time my mailman puts my mail in my drunken gun crazy neighbors mailbox who has a mile long(straight up) private driveway with "no trespassing" signs everywhere. Just last week my mailman put a package of vape gear in his mailbox...which I had to go gank back before he checked his mail. Always fun committing felonies just to get ones mail or have the choice to make past 10 guard dogs then knock on the guys door while you hear him pulling back the slide to chamber a round on his newest glock all why still holding a quart Bud Light.I live in East TN and yes they are several people around here who live up to their stereotypes.
 

Infinite1

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I'll be the enabler this time (first time ever :giggle:). Ecig still has the Black/Silver left. It's the only one they have left. Make sure to chat with them to get a 10% code if you go that route (every little bit helps). I have a few 10% codes but I think they change depending on who's manning the live chat.

Cheers,
Steve
Aha...they do indeed have the silver frame/black cover. Thanks for being an enabler Steve. Seriously contemplating this one. Thanks for the tip about the discount too :)

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So this Aromamizer Supreme everyone is raving about ;) Im going to hop on and try it out, it does look like a good RDTA.
I found it at Vaporwhale on sale and they have a code for 8% off: JULY4 7ml 4ml
EDIT: Fasttech will have that just beat. On July 4th, there will be a code for 10% off. =Freedom. So that where I will get it from.
 
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Deucesjack

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I'll be the enabler this time (first time ever :giggle:). Ecig still has the Black/Silver left. It's the only one they have left. Make sure to chat with them to get a 10% code if you go that route (every little bit helps). I have a few 10% codes but I think they change depending on who's manning the live chat.

Cheers,
Steve
Yo, wtf bro! That shit ain't right

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Jim_MDP

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Man am I ever glad I ordered when I did. Ecig.com only has the Black frame with Silver Cover left in stock now.

See? SEE? What did I say?
You greedy sods... well, piss on all o' ya. :mad:
My Pre-Beaten (Black&Blue) model is already on the road. Ha!

I think that " BOCA10" coupon code helped many pick Ecig over VapeNW

Crap... hoist by my own petard. :rolleyes:

:p

Well, today went sideways so I haven't sat down to roll up the 430 SS... soon.
But there was vape mail and... I have now mech'd.

Tuning etc. still to do, but I'm not rushing to replace my reg mods. :rolleyes:

Though the Nemmy could do with a mag switch upgrade... it's on the list.

:p
 

Douglas H. Aiken

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Man am I ever glad I ordered when I did. Ecig.com only has the Black frame with Silver Cover left in stock now. They should donate us one for a giveaway. This thread had to sell a ton of them (I'm talking about all of us relaying our experiences with it). I can't believe how quick they went! Looks like 5 it is :D:giggle:
http://www.ecig.com/hcigar-vt133-200w-dna-box-mod.html?___SID=U

Cheers,
Steve
I must have gotten my Black & Yellow just in the nick of time earlier.
I figured if I procrastinated too long and I'd miss it.
Happened to 2 other items I was looking at today.
As I pondered how many of each I wanted, they all sold out.
I'm only at 3 so far so I have something to do on Labor Day Weekend.
 

Dragon25

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So this Aromamizer Supreme everyone is raving about ;) Im going to hop on and try it out, it does look like a good RDTA.
I found it at Vaporwhale on sale and they have a code for 8% off: JULY4 7ml 4ml
EDIT: Fasttech will have that just beat. On July 4th, there will be a code for 10% off. =Freedom. So that where I will get it from.
Have you tried https://originvape.com/product/steam-crave-aromamizer-supreme-rdta/?attribute_color=SS
They only have the SS one in the 6ml and 4mlbut they have a killer sale. I've already used up my coupon code so not sure what the discount is for the Aromamizer Supreme. I did buy a bunch of LG HE4 for little under $5 and one those Smok FTV8 for $21.$$ .Not my style but may use it for trade or see how it does with the RBA>You can also add pre-built coils and or wicking with tanks and save even more on the sale.I added Cotton Bacon V2 10g for $3.Great sale but no free shipping till you spend $100 or $125 ..one those You can even get a IPV5 in white for $31

Origin Vape - 40% off non-clearance items & 20% off clearance items , 7/1 - 7/5 - code FIREWORKS

(excluded brands: Yihi, Svoe Mesto, Lost Vape, Phillip Rocke) / Free US Shipping over $125
 

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So this Aromamizer Supreme everyone is raving about ;) Im going to hop on and try it out, it does look like a good RDTA.
I found it at Vaporwhale on sale and they have a code for 8% off: JULY4 7ml 4ml
EDIT: Fasttech will have that just beat. On July 4th, there will be a code for 10% off. =Freedom. So that where I will get it from.
Believe I also need a Supreme....way too many GREAT reviews not to buy one....:deadhorse:....:vapemail:

damn..I need to stay out of this thread....:cry:.....:giggle:
 

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gotta show my silver off got today with the Supreme on it.

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Is this supreme a proven tank . Not trying to be butt head . Just need more RTA tanks in my line up . I bought the Merlin and Boreas and I am giving up on both of them . Any help would be appreciated.


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I believe it tried and tested, been around for awhile, haven't read any leak issues yet.

Hopefully it's a good atty to add a couple to the stockpile.
 

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Lookin good SD...you don't have any leaking issues do you?
Yes I do on both . Every time I think I have it figured out . Bam leaks again . I also have the TF-RDTA and it's a good tank but dam I have to vape at such high watts to get my sweet spot . Also got the Griffen 25 and perfect every time but lacks a little something. . So really hoping to find a few more .


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Is this supreme a proven tank . Not trying to be butt head . Just need more RTA tanks in my line up . I bought the Merlin and Boreas and I am giving up on both of them . Any help would be appreciated.

If a tank will leak, it'll do it for me. Check my signature.
This was easy to build, easy to wick, and a darn fine vape.
I previously used Bachelor tanks that are also great.
This one has the ability to replace them in my day to day use.
We'll see in a week or so.
 

Infinite1

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Is this supreme a proven tank . Not trying to be butt head . Just need more RTA tanks in my line up . I bought the Merlin and Boreas and I am giving up on both of them . Any help would be appreciated.


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Tried and true. No leaks and the best part is that you will be hard pressed to get a dry hit as well. I have no other atties that I can say that about except the TFV-8. Cloud Beast. Lately the only tanks that I have been getting satisfaction out of.

The Supreme is a stellar tank and really is about as close to dripping that I have found (Avocado 22 and 24, various others)....I always come back to my Supreme.

My personal ranking is as follows:

Supreme
TFV-8
Griffin 25
Mason RDA

Everything else just sits with the occasional hit and check up only to realize that I would prefer one of the others above

I hope that helps. I would be shocked if anyone ordered a Supreme and do not at least find it to be worthy of daily vaping if not All time favorite. Everyone is different, bit have yet to hear any egregious con posted about it. Preference is a factor tho.

Good Luck

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Tried and true. No leaks and the best part is that you will be hard pressed to get a dry hit as well. I have no other atties that I can say that about except the TFV-8. Cloud Beast. Lately the only tanks that I have been getting satisfaction out of.

The Supreme is a stellar tank and really is about as close to dripping that I have found (Avocado 22 and 24, various others)....I always come back to my Supreme.

My personal ranking is as follows:

Supreme
TFV-8
Griffin 25
Mason RDA

Everything else just sits with the occasional hit and check up only to realize that I would prefer one of the others above

I hope that helps. I would be shocked if anyone ordered a Supreme and do not at least find it to be worthy of daily vaping if not All time favorite. Everyone is different, bit have yet to hear any egregious con posted about it. Preference is a factor tho.

Good Luck

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Here I go again....more enablin from the 133 crowd......:p....:vino:
 

Infinite1

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Here I go again....more enablin from the 133 crowd......:p....:vino:
Indeed, Steve pointed me toward ecig for a silver frame 133...now I have a cart with that as well as a Hohm Wrecker G2 waiting for me to pull the trigger....enablement at its best. Oh...and I already picked up a Herakles RTA-4 on the Bay for $21 shipped. Could not pass that one up :)

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As I contemplate my ecig cart, me and my orange 133 and TFV8 have a toast of Jameson.
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Looks red in pics, but the orange cover matches the orang o-rings of the TFV8 perfectly.
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My TFV8 arrived today....haven't used it yet, but the coils are massive...the RBA looks easy to build on too.
 

Infinite1

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My TFV8 arrived today....haven't used it yet, but the coils are massive...the RBA looks easy to build on too.
Congrats! I tried the installed coil which I believe was the octa coil...vapes it for a few min and was underwhelmed. NOW, I through in some cotton on the RBA deck loaded with claptons...Mind blowing!!! The RBA deck is where it's at for me :). The prebuilt coils are in the box for when/if I ever feel like going there. I'm really impressed with RBA deck. It's massive and solidly constructed. Vapes like a dream.

I would describe as just "different" than my Supremes. Not better or worse...different. And that's exactly what I wanted. It's on par and different enough to be a great alternative to my beloved Supreme.

I can't wait to hear your experience:)

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Congrats! I tried the installed coil which I believe was the octa coil...vapes it for a few min and was underwhelmed. NOW, I through in some cotton on the RBA deck loaded with claptons...Mind blowing!!! The RBA deck is where it's at for me :). The prebuilt coils are in the box for when/if I ever feel like going there. I'm really impressed with RBA deck. It's massive and solidly constructed. Vapes like a dream.

I would describe as just "different" than my Supremes. Not better or worse...different. And that's exactly what I wanted. It's on par and different enough to be a great alternative to my beloved Supreme.

I can't wait to hear your experience:)

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Yes, I couldn't believe it when I looked at the installed coil, I assume it's eight coils at .15. That's would certainly gain the notoriety of being a Beast. The other coil in the box being vertical, didn't look at the ohms, but the coil is massive.

What I found odd, nowhere does it say what metal the prebuilt coils are built with, I assume kanthal.
 

Infinite1

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Yes, I couldn't believe it when I looked at the installed coil, I assume it's eight coils at .15. That's would certainly gain the notoriety of being a Beast. The other coil in the box being vertical, didn't look at the ohms, but the coil is massive.

What I found odd, nowhere does it say what metal the prebuilt coils are built with, I assume kanthal.
Yeah, the other reason I just put the prebuilts to the side. I'm a builder, kinda psychological but I usu never enjoy a prebuilt BC there is no personal work behind it :). Let me know of you find one those coils worth vaping though :). I'm using it in PWR mode

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Yeah, the other reason I just put the prebuilts to the side. I'm a builder, kinda psychological but I usu never enjoy a prebuilt BC there is no personal work behind it :). Let me know of you find one those coils worth vaping though :). I'm using it in PWR mode

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I build my coils too, but I'll certainly try the prebuilt tomorrow. I've never vaped anything remotely close to that Beast.

The only other tank I have is the Crown, it was decent when it first came out for something to toss in your pocket. Now the coils are garbage and RDA deck isn't much better.

Hopefully the TFV8 works nicely. I'm definitely getting a couple Supremes tomorrow, when I feel like taking a few minutes to figure out who have the best sale going on.

Other than these attys...all the rest I own are bottom fed drippers for squonking. The BF drippers should last forever, one or two o-rings and a 510 pin...hard to screw that up.
 

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I may buy another TFV8 tomorrow....after looking a little closer at it....seems like it should be a decent atty to last for quite some time without many headaches. Like you mentioned, the RDA deck is sweet....!
 

Jim_MDP

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Finally rockin' some 430 SS. :D

316L is workable, especially on the DNAs, but 430 is naturally smoother.
The graphs bear that out (though I never had the sawtooth some of Steve's showed).

It's replaced the WTF Comp Clapton (K) in the Lil' Serpent and that's back on the Pico (such a damn small combo ;) ).
It's the JTech mods that'll show the greater improvement, I should think. They've been a bit neglected the past week (I wonder why :rolleyes: ) so coming up I'll try to compare the two wires on JT's TC. Should be fun.

Glad JTech raised their TC ceiling... I used a larger mandrel than I had plugged into S-E earlier and the build came in at 1.1, a few tenths higher than I was aiming. Oops. :p

I'm still thinking 26g would be preferable but for now... 28g it is. Need to rethink my builds.
 

SteelDriver

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Is this supreme a proven tank . Not trying to be butt head . Just need more RTA tanks in my line up . I bought the Merlin and Boreas and I am giving up on both of them . Any help would be appreciated.


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I have 2 of the original steamcrave loved them and this new one hasn't disappointed. I always thought that the flavor on the original was as good or better than rda.

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I WAS REPLYING ABOUT THE SMOK TFV8 to
Infinite1
I bought a Smok TFV8 from Origin Vapes for less then $22 during the 4th sale I was going for free shipping & added it to my purchase. Hadn't planned on buying it but just picked it up for trade or gift .I watched Danial's (DJLSB Vapes)review on it last night and he said he could not find any cons. A hour long review &he really covered everything . .I think l may have to just keep it for the rba/rta base.I owned the TFV4 and had a love/hate relationship with it. I loved the way it vaped on the pre-built tripe coils but hated breaking in new coils.To me I could taste nothing but machine oil even pre-rinsing them with vodka and water. It would take about two full tanks to remove the taste and could still only use 2-3 flavors without always tasting machine oil. On the Smok TFV8 I plan to only use the rebuildable deck so shouldn't have the problems like TFV4 .I hope its a winner. Lately I've been rocking two IJoy/Limitless RDTA(& Plus on pre-order) but bought the IJoy Tornado Nano RTA and found it to have even better flavor .It's deck doe'nt spin while building like the larger Tornado.The flavor is better then many RDA's I've used. It has a 18.6 build deck(breeze to wick) and holds 4ml. Plenty airflow and huge juice ports for wicking. Plus its short like a RDA.It also comes with a pre-built duel twisted 24-26G on whats called a "chip coil" and it can even be re-wicked.Anyone who loves flavor should give it a try .It can be scored for as cheap as$20 in USA or low as $15 China.Has a color changing glass and a spare clear. They offer a chuff cap but can not find any in stock yet. I just hope the Smok TFV8 is a winner. I owned a Griffin 22 and hated it due to where I use MaxVG. I sat on the Fence forever wondering if I was going to buy the Griffin 25 and when the IJoy/Limitless was released I went that route and bout two I liked them so well. Now those are in my rotation along with the IJoy Tornado Nano (being #1) and a couple RDA(s) . I haven't looked a lot into the Supreme as I've heard mixed reviews along with price but now its starting to come down some I may look more into one. I had also considered the Boreas RTA . However a lot makers are releasing(or soon to release) these shorter RTA(s) much like the Moonshot.Which most to me being shorter I think really helps with flavor Which is also why I also considered and I'm still on the Fence about the Coil Art "Mage" but many those only hold 2-3 ml (Mage 3.5 I think).The Nano was my limit(so far) at 4ml . I was also surprised to see the Smok TFV8 tank to be shorter then the TFV4 and still hold as much juice.UPDATE Just went to Smok website looks like they will also have a "goon style "RBA out for the TFV8. Nice !! Once again guys thanks for helping out !
 

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I WAS REPLYING ABOUT THE SMOK TFV8 to
Infinite1
I bought a Smok TFV8 from Origin Vapes for less then $22 during the 4th sale I was going for free shipping & added it to my purchase. Hadn't planned on buying it but just picked it up for trade or gift .I watched Danial's (DJLSB Vapes)review on it last night and he said he could not find any cons. A hour long review &he really covered everything . .I think l may have to just keep it for the rba/rta base.I owned the TFV4 and had a love/hate relationship with it. I loved the way it vaped on the pre-built tripe coils but hated breaking in new coils.To me I could taste nothing but machine oil even pre-rinsing them with vodka and water. It would take about two full tanks to remove the taste and could still only use 2-3 flavors without always tasting machine oil. On the Smok TFV8 I plan to only use the rebuildable deck so shouldn't have the problems like TFV4 .I hope its a winner. Lately I've been rocking two IJoy/Limitless RDTA(& Plus on pre-order) but bought the IJoy Tornado Nano RTA and found it to have even better flavor .It's deck doe'nt spin while building like the larger Tornado.The flavor is better then many RDA's I've used. It has a 18.6 build deck(breeze to wick) and holds 4ml. Plenty airflow and huge juice ports for wicking. Plus its short like a RDA.It also comes with a pre-built duel twisted 24-26G on whats called a "chip coil" and it can even be re-wicked.Anyone who loves flavor should give it a try .It can be scored for as cheap as$20 in USA or low as $15 China.Has a color changing glass and a spare clear. They offer a chuff cap but can not find any in stock yet. I just hope the Smok TFV8 is a winner. I owned a Griffin 22 and hated it due to where I use MaxVG. I sat on the Fence forever wondering if I was going to buy the Griffin 25 and when the IJoy/Limitless was released I went that route and bout two I liked them so well. Now those are in my rotation along with the IJoy Tornado Nano (being #1) and a couple RDA(s) . I haven't looked a lot into the Supreme as I've heard mixed reviews along with price but now its starting to come down some I may look more into one. I had also considered the Boreas RTA . However a lot makers are releasing(or soon to release) these shorter RTA(s) much like the Moonshot.Which most to me being shorter I think really helps with flavor Which is also why I also considered and I'm still on the Fence about the Coil Art "Mage" but many those only hold 2-3 ml (Mage 3.5 I think).The Nano was my limit(so far) at 4ml . I was also surprised to see the Smok TFV8 tank to be shorter then the TFV4 and still hold as much juice.UPDATE Just went to Smok website looks like they will also have a "goon style "RBA out for the TFV8. Nice !! Once again guys thanks for helping out !
Smok has moonshot style coming also minos

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