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March 28th Vape mail ban

looks like they are coming after batteries soon boys and girls this is beyond bullshit .. anyone have any thoughts ??? the highest drain protected cell i can find is 10 amps and dont even think it would work even in my mech mods...... / https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/8/22221366/vape-battery-explosions-warning-fires-death-injury-cpsc
I quit using batteries to vape years ago, not because I was concerned about it exploding in house. But i read about cases where people were using standard packaged ecigs like Juul (not mods) and even they were catching fire and I was concerned about it exploding in my face (it made me overly self conscious when vaping). So I switched to using a USB Variable Voltage Passthrough adapter (no battery needed), you plug it right into a USB power adapter that plugs into electric outlet or even a computer. The passthrough adapters are getting very difficult to find anymore, but I have a big stock. At first it was a little awkward vaping with a cable connection to USB power outlet, but I have been doing it for years so I don't even notice now. The other benefit is not having to charge my vape batteries. I vape all day and it got annoying keeping track of all my batteries and charging them for hours each week (plus they are expensive). I don't go out much anymore (even before COVID), but for when I am on the road I plug the USB VV Passthrough into a portable USB battery pack (the kind that looks like a small car battery jump pack or camping power pack, it lasts way longer than a standard USB battery that comes with vape mods).
 

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looks like they are coming after batteries soon boys and girls this is beyond bullshit .. anyone have any thoughts ??? the highest drain protected cell i can find is 10 amps and dont even think it would work even in my mech mods...... / https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/8/22221366/vape-battery-explosions-warning-fires-death-injury-cpsc
I saw an article like that in The Verge several years ago, never heard anything more about it until now. Since use of the 18650 is not limited to vaping, I felt, at the time, it was just some ANTZ alarmist trying to stir the pot. The current article you're linking references a warning by the Consumer Product Safety Commission, and that could actually go somewhere. In the mean time, my prepper radio and prepper flashlight use the 18650. The radio will also operate with AA alkaline batteries, or the hand crank if you have all day.

Sigh. I have decided that the thing to do is just get more eLeafs. I bought my first ones, the 30W, in 2015, and I'm still using them. I bought three, and have only had to dispose of one. After that the 40W came out, and I hoarded a few of those, still in their original packaging in the fridge. Since these have lasted for years, rotating two of them, one in my mouth and one on the recharger, even if everything gets banned I think I'll be covered. I have some 18650 in the freezer, and all of these plastic bolt mods I bought, thinking the batteries at least would never get banned, so more eLeafs will good money after bad, but I'm more comfortable using them anyway.

I realize that won't be the solution for everyone. The saddest thing, to me, is all of the smokers who will never be delivered from the killer demon tobacco, once vaping is banned and memory holed. The next saddest thing is the disappearance of the economic miracle of hundreds, if not thousands, of small businesses, the vape sellers and genius flavor brewing labs, the creativity, the shared interest, the personality, the love.
 

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There are very few reviewers who I'd listen to talk about the vape industry, Matt does his homework and has my respect. Anyway, here's his thoughts on this situation

Thank you for this. I love that guy.

I no longer have any illusion that government represents the people, but the vid you posted reminds me of a few things, and makes me hopeful.

This is one of my favorite presentations of his, from 2016, about the "triangle of f*ckery" we face when government colludes with big business to defeat the citizenry:

 

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Thank you for this. I love that guy.

I no longer have any illusion that government represents the people, but the vid you posted reminds me of a few things, and makes me hopeful.

This is one of my favorite presentations of his, from 2016, about the "triangle of f*ckery" we face when government colludes with big business to defeat the citizenry:

Old news but still relevant, unfortunately the list of ANTZ has grown.
 

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Tried to to attach a screenshot of the message I received from Liquid Barn, gave up trying. In a nutshell the nicotine concentrate, that I use to make my own eliquid, will no longer be available to the public because of the PACT Act. Big tobbaco(and the Govt.) is clawing at us !! I will be stocking up on nicotine. Wire, cotton, pg/vg and flavors I can get but the nicotine... Basturds !!
 

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Tried to to attach a screenshot of the message I received from Liquid Barn, gave up trying. In a nutshell the nicotine concentrate, that I use to make my own eliquid, will no longer be available to the public because of the PACT Act. Big tobbaco(and the Govt.) is clawing at us !! I will be stocking up on nicotine. Wire, cotton, pg/vg and flavors I can get but the nicotine... Basturds !!

This?

Link: https://www.liquidbarn.com/blogs/news/the-pact-act-online-vape-ban

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Ya, a bit differently formatted on the email vs the website it seems.
You're welcome!
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Huh makes you wonder #!#%ers how they know how to hit us . PMTAS anyone? Don't be surprised if flavors are next to fall don't they have to reveal all sources of their mixes .
 

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If you ever do, please share. I am sure some people here would be interested to at least see the process.
I just realized nicotine gum is still available in drugstores, no prescription necessary. I'm tempted to experiment with soaking that in pg to extract the nic, just to know if it can be done. That's how people used to make tinctures of herbs, by soaking them in oil. I'm not suggesting doing nic with oil, because you don't vape oils, but with pg or vg it should work if you hammered the gum as thin and flat as you could, to expose max surface area, before soaking. The nicotine in the gum is really strong. I tried it many years ago, and it didn't help me stop smoking, but the gum was so strong that when you chewed a piece, you had to wait a long time before smoking, or you'd shoot through the ceiling.
 

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anyone know or have an idea if a package sits at customs after the usps mail ban date will that said item still be delivered? or is it going to be a turkey shoot from there on out .. I think its at customs not sure never ordered from Canada. it was mailed expedited US but been reading lots of horror stories people waiting over a month for a package

Feb. 269:22 am
International item being forwarded to destination country
Montreal, QC
Additional information
Your shipment is on its way to the country you sent it to.

We rely on local postal services to share tracking information. We will update the delivery information when it becomes available.

Feb. 238:57 pm
Item processed
Montreal, QC


Feb. 226:29 pm
Item accepted at the Post Office
Montréal, QC
 

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anyone know or have an idea if a package sits at customs after the usps mail ban date will that said item still be delivered? or is it going to be a turkey shoot from there on out .. I think its at customs not sure never ordered from Canada. it was mailed expedited US but been reading lots of horror stories people waiting over a month for a package

Feb. 269:22 am
International item being forwarded to destination country
Montreal, QC
Additional information
Your shipment is on its way to the country you sent it to.

We rely on local postal services to share tracking information. We will update the delivery information when it becomes available.

Feb. 238:57 pm
Item processed
Montreal, QC


Feb. 226:29 pm
Item accepted at the Post Office
Montréal, QC
turkey shoot mostly depending on what is declared and if it is opened by customs
 

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turkey shoot mostly depending on what is declared and if it is opened by customs
Thank You for the response now the next question is will paypal cover my loss if it gets snapped up .. considering its a evil tobacco product ( SARCASM SIGN) what a crock of shit...
 

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Thank You for the response now the next question is will paypal cover my loss if it gets snapped up .. considering its a evil tobacco product ( SARCASM SIGN) what a crock of shit...
normally i would say no if they are told the truth but usually yes which is why alot of overseas vendors stopped taking paypal.
 

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It is with great sadness that we are being forced to shutter our online business.

Under "the cover of darkness" (Christmas time/end of year government budget omnibus bill) the United States Congress amended the 2009 PACT and JENKINS ACT's to include Electronic Cigarettes.

They did this deep inside the 5000+ page "COVID RELIEF BILL" that was passed.

It's often common practice for our government to legislate in this way - in one huge, all-or-nothing "budget bill" at the end of the year that contains thousands of extras and "riders". These greatly impact various industries, including ours.

This most recent amendment makes it a felony to ship any vape items to consumers.

USPS, Fed-Ex and UPS have announced that they are cancelling our internet shipping accounts at the end of March/April.

At the moment, there is NO viable solution to continue "Business to Consumer" mail/phone/internet orders.
A few of the onerous requirements to stay in business include:
  • Having a registered agent within each destination state
  • Monthly reporting to each State Attorney General
  • Monthly Reporting to the ATF
  • Monthly Reporting to Local County Sheriff's Department, if Required for County-Specific rules (Flavor bans, county-specific taxes, etc.)
  • Associated state/local Taxes collected & Remitted
  • Cannot use the United States Postal Service
  • Fed-Ex/UPS have both opted out
  • Adult Signature required upon delivery IF private courier can be found.
At this time, we feel like we will only be able to operate the website for about another month or so, given that the USPS is still "publishing the final rule", and there is no private courier willing to handle national distribution of individual consumer packages.

As it stands, the murmured effective date of the law is April 6, 2021.

We started this business to do one thing – to help folks quit smoking. Since opening, we have helped over 30,000 people get off & stay off of cigarettes with this miraculous harm-reduction technology.

Unfortunately, our government benefits more when people are smoking.

Tobacco is the most taxed product category in the world, and electronic cigarettes have posed a tremendous threat to those tax revenues on which state, local and federal government have become dependent.

As many of you are aware, we have taken a stand on many occasions - fighting for vapor rights both locally & nationally.

The reality is simple, however. We simply do not have the capacity to comply with these latest mandated regulatory actions.

Thank you all so much for your patronage over the years. It has been our absolute pleasure and privilege to serve you.

As a measure of gratitude, we have deeply discounted pricing throughout March to help our customers stock up.

Our final shipping date will be March 25th.​

Sincerely,

Steve Nair
Mountain Oak Vapors
www.mountainoakvapors.com
844-390-7589​
 

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