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this is making me feel stupid... no matter how perfectly square I get my drill, I cant get my spin lt to spin... it only wants to do a half spin at a time, far from smooth...
 

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I don't see why so many people like the Spin LT. It's okay, but good quality ball bearing swivels offer a lot more control. I've put the 2 together, and it's working quite well for me.
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this is making me feel stupid... no matter how perfectly square I get my drill, I cant get my spin lt to spin... it only wants to do a half spin at a time, far from smooth...
Did you oil it? Does it spin free when you try to spin the peg thing?
 

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Oil collects dust - a bad thing for free spinning bearings that need the precision smoothness necessary for coil building. Graphite is a much better option, and is on my "grocery list" next time I'm out.
 

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View attachment 68995 so... This is what my first attempt at a fused ALIEN coil 3strand looks like!! Pretty nice huh? I think I fucked up.. couldn't get it right.. only bout a half inch went right.. I realized you caint really "back up" as well as you can on a reg Clapton coils.. gotta find the right tension, speed and patience lol .
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it turns freely by hand but when i put wire on it, it spins like its off center no matter where i put my drill.... its like the little triangle loop on the shaft isnt square.
 

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I'm new to this forum. Hello everyone! Here is some of my builds. 6x30g. 38g/ 3x30g, 38g
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6x.4n80, 6x.4ka1, 2x28g, 38g
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9x.4, 2x28g, 34g, 42g
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Welcome! Your lizard is funny
 
That works for a stagger fuse but not on a ssfc because the clap can't move.

I use the loop method to start my spacing till I get 1" from the chuck. Then I take a clip (strong spring, wide bite wrapped in electrical tape) and clamp it over the spacing leaving my spool wire sticking out of the middle. Then I go full speed down the wire. When I get to the end I leave the clip on and cut my wire. Take some hot glue and hit beside the clip, where I startex with the clip and the middle. Then I cut on the other side of the glue and cut the stick in half through the glue.
The glue keeps it from springing back.
I parallel Clapton for all of my staggering.

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I'm new to this forum. Hello everyone! Here is some of my builds. 6x30g. 38g/ 3x30g, 38g
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6x.4n80, 6x.4ka1, 2x28g, 38g
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9x.4, 2x28g, 34g, 42g
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Welcome to Vu mate :). I belive im already following you on IG if not ill give u a follow mate. Nice builds/shots
 

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Welcome to VU @WrapGod123 !

This is something Ive wanted to make since the first time I saw it, every attempt until now the Ribbon Framing was more round then square like I wanted but this time its exactly how I wanted it..I found that I was using too much tension when paraclapping and it would make it seem more round along with using 38g wire...I think I may try something similar but use 42g Staggering and 44g Fusing...that should make it so it seems perfectly squared.

I made the length too long for single coil and too short for dual coils...so Ill be making another coil and removing wraps from this one but I did as many wraps as I could to show how well it actually went...not a single flaw...well except one wonky fuse from using a toothbrush to clean it!!!

SPECS: 12 x .3R/40TMN80/42TMN80

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You need lighting in the 5000K-5500K wavelength, can grab some E27 5500K Bulbs on Ebay. You can lay Tissue paper or similar diffusing material over the lamp and aim it into your box.
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All the cool kids use Hand vises and Ryobi's :)

I'm not terribly happy with my ryobi tbh but it works I have the small 12v one so it's not all that fast. I'm liking working with the handvise so far small learning curve to start as per usual with any new tools but it works well.


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So.. any tips on a staggered fused Clapton? Tricks to make the stagger?
Thanks
 

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I'm not terribly happy with my ryobi tbh but it works I have the small 12v one so it's not all that fast. I'm liking working with the handvise so far small learning curve to start as per usual with any new tools but it works well.


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I have the 18v, the only major flaw that i overlooked when picking it up was to see if the chuck closed down all the way.
The cordless i had before this was a panasonic which did fully close.

Hand vises are also great for wrapping your coil's with, if you get a second one you can straightening out your low gauge wire with it by stretching rather than twisting it in a drill

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So.. any tips on a staggered fused Clapton? Tricks to make the stagger?
Thanks

One way is to clapton onto your main wire and then follow through with a second clapton in between the first, and for what its worth when ive done this ive always stripped the first clapton that was laid just bc its probly not as tight to the main wire, it has been opened up and moved about.

Mind forge has some great vids where he shows how to use a weighted loop which is also a great way
 

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So it's not much to look at, but this is a great flavor and ramp-up build for a parallel mech mod.

Parallel fused Claptons - 2x30K/38N, 3.0mm ID, 4/5 wraps. Not sure what the resistance is - my Goon is friggin' stuck to the Infected mod so I can't put it on an ohm meter. :xD:

I figure it's right around 0.20Ω though. I think 42 or 44 gauge would have been a better outer than the 38, but what's done is done.

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IMG_20161215_151425.jpg I have twisted fever ... Seems to be the best dual build in my hog ..not too hot not too cold big clouds and no burnt hits with semi tight wicking. 0.29 ohm running @230ish watts!
 

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So.. any tips on a staggered fused Clapton? Tricks to make the stagger?
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Watch Mind_Forge's Tutorial on Youtube...for other methods you really need to practice to get it perfect but the Paraclap method will get it right the first time
 

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So, ya'll, I'm more than blown away by the artistry and craftsmanship. Q? Do these lovelies vape well?
 

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So, ya'll, I'm more than blown away by the artistry and craftsmanship. Q? Do these lovelies vape well?

Most of them are just challenging builds showing skills learned and more...If you want something that vapes well then there are a few that are great for every setup but you should really have something tailored to what your using. Out of all the builds this year Ive posted Ive maybe vaped 8-9 of them in total...I like a specific vape and when I get it I usually use it until it disintegrates ;)

Think of it this way..
Core Count and core type offer different temps/ramp up characteristics and resistance load. The core is the main factor in how fast the coil lights up, how hot it gets, and what resistance it will be in the end..

The Outer wrap will give you different wicking properties but they all perform better then a naked strand of wire since they hold juice and also act like a heatsink for the surface of the coil letting it ramp slightly slower at the surface so the juice and vaporize more evenly offering "better" flavor. The Increase in surface area also lends to more juice being vaporized, again increasing flavor properties.

The thicker your outer wrap is the more wattage you will need to heat the coil as the outer wrap acts like a heatsink and it can effect the amount of heat a core wire will shed.
The more wraps/larger the coil ID you have the higher in resistance the coil is, the higher the resistance the more Voltage you need...lower the resistance the more wattage/amperage you need.

For regulated mods you want to find a sweet spot in resistance for best battery life and how it vapes at a certain wattage.

For Parallel Boxes/Series you need to build the coil specifically to what you want out of it this is where coil building has become more then a hobby but a lifestyle in itself.


The Fused Clapton is a great simple build that gives a great vape experience and almost anyone with a drill or dremel could make them. Using different Core sizes/metal types you can tailor to your specific want without any tricks or special tools...you can also adjust how quickly it will ramp and its peak temp by using thicker or thinner outerwrap.

The Alien is one of the best vapes there is in just about anything you put it in. Its wavy outerwrap actually holds and disperses the juice and it acts like wicking layer over the bare strands underneath. The 3 cores in parallel offer a great amount of heated surface and it rammos pretty quickly.

Alien Framed Staples I would say are the best vapes depending on materials used/wrap count and coil ID. The Outerwrap still keeps the same properties on these coils but the added Ribbon gives more surface area and heats up faster then the round wires so its for people that like a bit warmer/faster ramping vape.

SSFC/Corrugated Builds and Enigma's/Naked Staples and more can be "Spitty" and some are violent due to instant ramp up and how much juice they can actually hold....These can be great vapes but they are also where skilled builders like to show off their talents...they take a ton of time and are not for the impatient!

Coils arent one sized fits all....you wont get a good experience from a All SS 28g/36g 5 Wrap/3mm ID Alien in a Derringer on a Series Mod but you would in most recent RDAs on a Tube/Parallel Box.
 
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Most of them are just challenging builds showing skills learned and more...If you want something that vapes well then there are a few that are great for every setup but you should really have something tailored to what your using. Out of all the builds this year Ive posted Ive maybe vaped 8-9 of them in total...I like a specific vape and when I get it I usually use it until it disintegrates ;)

Think of it this way..
Core Count and core type offer different temps/ramp up characteristics and resistance load. The core is the main factor in how fast the coil lights upm how hot it gets and what resistance it will be in the end..

Outer wrap give you different wicking properties but they all perform better then a naked strand of wire since they hold juice and also act like a heatsink for the surface of the coil letting it ramp slightly slower at the surface so the juice and vaporize more evenly offering "better" flavor. The Increase in surface area also lends to more juice being vaporized, again increasing flavor properties.
The thicker your outer wrap is the more wattage you will need to heat the coil as the outer wrap acts like a heatsink and it can effect the amount of heat a core wire will shed.

The Fused Clapton is a great simple build that gives a great vape experience and almost anyone with a drill or dremel could make them.
The Alien is one of the best vapes there is in just about anything you put it in.
Alien Framed Staples and SSFC I would say are the best vapes depending on materials used/wrap count and coil ID.
Corrugated Builds and Enigma's/Naked Staples and more can be "Spitty" and some are violent due to instant ramp up and how much juice they can actually hold....

Coils arent one sized fits all....you wont get a good experience from a All SS 28g/36g 5 Wrap/3mm ID Alien in a Derringer on a Series Mod but you would in most recent RDAs on a Tube/Parallel Box.
Dang brotha, way to drop the knowledge on them!

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Dang brotha, way to drop the knowledge on them!

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Ive made some posts on just the properties and traits of just the outer wrap and gauge sizes in many threads here....I could write a damn book if going on about every build section, every build type, builds in certain RTA's/RDA's tips/tricks and metal characteristics...
 

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Watch Mind_Forge's Tutorial on Youtube...for other methods you really need to practice to get it perfect but the Paraclap method will get it right the first time
I can't find that video you posted that showed me the clip method. It does take some practice though.

Can you show me how to use a spool tamer? They won't be here till Monday probably.
 

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I can't find that video you posted that showed me the clip method. It does take some practice though.

Can you show me how to use a spool tamer? They won't be here till Monday probably.

I second this motion! :)


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I can try ;)

@Twin_Coils on Instagram was the one with the clip video....LINK
That's it!
Any one that doesn't have a good spacing method should try this.
Use the loop method for about an inch then clip on it and rock. Goid enough for SSFCs if you practice a bit.

And about the tamers, I got them for stagertons and maybe a replacement for the clip method over round wire. I almost can't go any further in my building till I learn to use them so it's super appriciated.
 

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Is there a similar method for fused claptons? Or would that not work. I'm having trouble with the wire wrapping onto itself. Also what do you use at the other end of the wire to keep it spinning without tightening?

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Most of them are just challenging builds showing skills learned and more...If you want something that vapes well then there are a few that are great for every setup but you should really have something tailored to what your using. Out of all the builds this year Ive posted Ive maybe vaped 8-9 of them in total...I like a specific vape and when I get it I usually use it until it disintegrates ;)

Think of it this way..
Core Count and core type offer different temps/ramp up characteristics and resistance load. The core is the main factor in how fast the coil lights up, how hot it gets, and what resistance it will be in the end..

The Outer wrap will give you different wicking properties but they all perform better then a naked strand of wire since they hold juice and also act like a heatsink for the surface of the coil letting it ramp slightly slower at the surface so the juice and vaporize more evenly offering "better" flavor. The Increase in surface area also lends to more juice being vaporized, again increasing flavor properties.

The thicker your outer wrap is the more wattage you will need to heat the coil as the outer wrap acts like a heatsink and it can effect the amount of heat a core wire will shed.
The more wraps/larger the coil ID you have the higher in resistance the coil is, the higher the resistance the more Voltage you need...lower the resistance the more wattage/amperage you need.

For regulated mods you want to find a sweet spot in resistance for best battery life and how it vapes at a certain wattage.

For Parallel Boxes/Series you need to build the coil specifically to what you want out of it this is where coil building has become more then a hobby but a lifestyle in itself.


The Fused Clapton is a great simple build that gives a great vape experience and almost anyone with a drill or dremel could make them. Using different Core sizes/metal types you can tailor to your specific want without any tricks or special tools...you can also adjust how quickly it will ramp and its peak temp by using thicker or thinner outerwrap.

The Alien is one of the best vapes there is in just about anything you put it in. Its wavy outerwrap actually holds and disperses the juice and it acts like wicking layer over the bare strands underneath. The 3 cores in parallel offer a great amount of heated surface and it rammos pretty quickly.

Alien Framed Staples I would say are the best vapes depending on materials used/wrap count and coil ID. The Outerwrap still keeps the same properties on these coils but the added Ribbon gives more surface area and heats up faster then the round wires so its for people that like a bit warmer/faster ramping vape.

SSFC/Corrugated Builds and Enigma's/Naked Staples and more can be "Spitty" and some are violent due to instant ramp up and how much juice they can actually hold....These can be great vapes but they are also where skilled builders like to show off their talents...they take a ton of time and are not for the impatient!

Coils arent one sized fits all....you wont get a good experience from a All SS 28g/36g 5 Wrap/3mm ID Alien in a Derringer on a Series Mod but you would in most recent RDAs on a Tube/Parallel Box.
Whoa...lot to ponder there. Thanks man...
 

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Is there a similar method for fused claptons? Or would that not work. I'm having trouble with the wire wrapping onto itself. Also what do you use at the other end of the wire to keep it spinning without tightening?

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If you mean overlapping then that's all you bro. You need to lead with the spool a little bit.
To fasten the wrap wire you bend an L into the core and put it in the chuck and wrap around the peg sticking out.

He's how I fuse:
Bend the core in half with pliers so there's a perfect 180° turn. Bind the ends and put them in the chuck.
Stick the fuse wire between the cores and turn the drill a few times. Keep light tension on the spool and start off perpendicular to the cores. Keep the spool turned horizontally and get about 6" or more from the cores.
Get a few wraps then open the drill up and stay about 10° ahead of the clapton.
 

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If your overlapping or back tracking try lowering your swivels a quarter inch and try again if this doesnt fix it entirely then you will need to lead more forward
 

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If your overlapping or back tracking try lowering your swivels a quarter inch and try again if this doesnt fix it entirely then you will need to lead more forward
I forgot about that. If you're using fishing swivels it's a great tip. It helped me with my aliens.
 

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So I tried the Mind_Forge technique and it works quite well - even with the drill wide open. I've only been able to free hand spaced Claptons before, because I just couldn't get any other way to work for some reason. At any rate, I made a set of staggered framed staples. They came out not so great, but I kept on rushing it to see how fast I could go with the drill. I guess I'm gonna need some more practice. I also have to say, I'm not a huge fan of the vape quality of these heavy metal, dense builds. It actually seems like I'm trading the flavor quality for clouds. Although I do like the cloud aspect of vaping, I guess I'm really more of a flavor chaser.

6x0.4K cores, 26K frames, 36N stagger, 38N bind

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Good job dude.
I know what you mean about the vape quality. It's hard to beat a staple with an alien wrap.
I like 8 ply half framed staggers a lot too using 0.4mm and 28g.

Next time you make one use 28g frames. 26g is just too much if you don't want to dump power into it. Plus I like the frames to resist more than the ribbon.

6-8ply with 28g frames and fused with 38g is hard to beat.
 

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Next time you make one use 28g frames. 26g is just too much if you don't want to dump power into it.

Normally, I prefer larger frames than most people do for my staples. I don't like the raised middle that the smaller frames create by being smaller than the ribbon. Here's a pic of a regular framed staple I made using 0.4 with 26g frames:

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