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How did you get it square with round frames?
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How did you get it square with round frames?
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Thanks these were my 1st attempt staggering ribbons gets pretty tricky.Super clean build great job
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For a first build that’s really impressive better than my first attempt for sure!
I'm no pro practice makes perfect if you can build a framed stapled then it'll make these a breeze.
I'm not 100% sure what you're asking, do you mean how it's flat across the top and round on the edges? It's just 2 strands of 26, no ribbon
I didn't want to try 46awg for the first time on any ribbon
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I'm not 100% sure what you're asking, do you mean how it's flat across the top and round on the edges? It's just 2 strands of 26, no ribbon
It looks like a staple in the pic, in that it’s got that rectangle look to it, can normally see a straight up rounded look on fused claptons using round wire
Got some camera voodoo going on?
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I think it's just the camera angle. I've noticed the same thing in my builds using small gauge wire.
It looks like a staple in the pic, in that it’s got that rectangle look to it, can normally see a straight up rounded look on fused claptons using round wire
Got some camera voodoo going on?
Definitely got some camera wobble and poor focus going on lmao, they do look pretty flat to my eyes too, though. Maybe cause the wire is so thin, it flattens out a lot easier between the cores!
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Went ahead and bought the Patinos revolver swivel system today .....liked that it’s got bone Swiss ceramic bearing in it and twists as you pull the wire tension so centre stays straight
Nice!! No more fishing swivels
Have to update us with how you find it performs la.
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I'll put it this way, I couldn't make Aliens without them and use them to this day. Need to break them in a bit so they slide freely on the cores but they are a god send.
EDIT: Sorry didn't realize you were talking about the swivel. I NEED that in my life!
Been a while since I've been on, sorry for the absence lol. Haven't been doing alot of building. Still waiting for my clamps from Raymo to turn up, can't wait haha. An alien staggerton I threw together to replace my setup. Not perfect but I do think I'm figuring more out each time I attempt this build. Think next time I need to try a double frame as that might stretch the outer alien enough to fill in the gaps properly. Time will tell I suppose. Until that time though here's some colours
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The Revolver swivel?
Been a while since I've been on, sorry for the absence lol. Haven't been doing alot of building. Still waiting for my clamps from Raymo to turn up, can't wait haha. An alien staggerton I threw together to replace my setup. Not perfect but I do think I'm figuring more out each time I attempt this build. Think next time I need to try a double frame as that might stretch the outer alien enough to fill in the gaps properly. Time will tell I suppose. Until that time though here's some colours
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Very nice, getting better I do say, and your ideas on improvement are insightful
Sorry I saw Patinos and got excited thinking we were talking about the alien makers lol. I need to check out that swivel though!
Lol I've tried the patino's, bought 2 sets of them. Now my setup is at a stage where I don't need them. I managed a 4 30 core alien without any sliders or anything haha was quite chuffed with that
Edit. Picture of said 4 core alien.
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Gorgeous @KarmicRageBeen a while since I've been on, sorry for the absence lol. Haven't been doing alot of building. Still waiting for my clamps from Raymo to turn up, can't wait haha. An alien staggerton I threw together to replace my setup. Not perfect but I do think I'm figuring more out each time I attempt this build. Think next time I need to try a double frame as that might stretch the outer alien enough to fill in the gaps properly. Time will tell I suppose. Until that time though here's some colours
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That's insanity man! I probably don't need them anymore but when starting out I was having my cores constantly collapse and basically having yelling rage fits in my basement. The wifey was concerned. But I guess that's the best and in most cases, the only way to learn.
Nice one meg, appreciate it. I haven't managed to get a set that look anything like Raymo's yet lol he said he threw in a set with the clamps for me so that's more of a reason why I can't wait for them to turn up
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What does that ohm out to about?Lol I've tried the patino's, bought 2 sets of them. Now my setup is at a stage where I don't need them. I managed a 4 30 core alien without any sliders or anything haha was quite chuffed with that
Edit. Picture of said 4 core alien.
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looking good @KarmicRage
I don't think anyone has done this yet.An alien staggerton dayum.Been a while since I've been on, sorry for the absence lol. Haven't been doing alot of building. Still waiting for my clamps from Raymo to turn up, can't wait haha. An alien staggerton I threw together to replace my setup. Not perfect but I do think I'm figuring more out each time I attempt this build. Think next time I need to try a double frame as that might stretch the outer alien enough to fill in the gaps properly. Time will tell I suppose. Until that time though here's some colours
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Will do ... by the way those alien stags are really coming along mate the spacing is great ..
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Damn you are killing it with these coils mate how you finding the clamps? Still waiting on mine
What was the quickest way of breaking them in? Got 3 sets coming in
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mine took a while to clear through customs too (compared to everyone in the states that seemed to have them a week before me lol). i think they are great. i put the big one in my big drill, and the swivel one in my hand drill, and i have the usaohmmeters swivel clamp if i need one on the swivel side. i have only done two builds with them so far, but they are very nice feeling. i would recommend them all day long over the usaohmmeters one i recently exploded.Damn you are killing it with these coils mate how you finding the clamps? Still waiting on mine
have you put that revolver swivel setup to the test yet?
What guage is the frame?
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Yeah can see the package on tracking it got delivered to my local sorting centre on the 12th so should be with me soon don’t know what they’ve been doing past few days with it though
haven’t given the revolver a go yet mate not allowed to use till my birthday wasn’t even allowed the get it out the pack haha
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What I did was just straighten out 3 cores, put 2 of them on there and rolled up the ends on either side so I could just slide them back and forth on the wire to break them in. My jank apparatus was about 6" in length (TWSS). Looks suspicious if someone sees you doing it behind your back
Then you can just break them in while watching TV or what have you. Probably spent a good hour on them.
They may have been improved since the last time I bought them, but I initially noticed they would get hung up and wouldn't slide perfectly until I "seasoned" them.
You just gotta do the old switch-a-roo and swap it with a decoy right? No one will know, although swapping it back might be an issue..
"I got an empty box for my birthday...! Oh well, happens I already had one of these already...
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What I did was just straighten out 3 cores, put 2 of them on there and rolled up the ends on either side so I could just slide them back and forth on the wire to break them in. My jank apparatus was about 6" in length (TWSS). Looks suspicious if someone sees you doing it behind your back
Then you can just break them in while watching TV or what have you. Probably spent a good hour on them.
They may have been improved since the last time I bought them, but I initially noticed they would get hung up and wouldn't slide perfectly until I "seasoned" them.
Sounds good... I got 3 sets so my hands are going to be full haha. I was going to go meet Chris and just pick them up from him but I got lazy... so now I gotta wait for USPS to bring em haha. Ironically if I wasn’t lazy and did go and pick them up, I would have missed the 50% off sale he had going on his website yesterday
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Thanks for the nice comments guys. It really helps me out and keeps me working on more. For that 4 core alien I haven't a clue what the ohms are as I haven't mounted it, soon as I do I'll throw up some colour shots and ohm ratings and such.
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the frames are 3 x .3mm.
Cool..
Today was full of fails, tried stacking 16 .3 ribbon and gave up til tomorrow, and popped my 46 awg and decided to cut it...it's gonna magically disappear on me someday now but I got the kink out.
Also got in a hurry and triangled a fused clapton which was going great with sliders lol :/
Day of fails over, twisted and claptoned some 26 just to have something Work
And capped it off with losing my patience and heating one coil before installing the other one LOL
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ugh i hate those days. sometimes its just not going to happen though. im not usually superstitious, but if i am failing things i can normally do, i feel like its time to take a break and wait it out (planetary alignment, angry spirits, evil eye etc).Cool..
Today was full of fails, tried stacking 16 .3 ribbon and gave up til tomorrow, and popped my 46 awg and decided to cut it...it's gonna magically disappear on me someday now but I got the kink out.
Also got in a hurry and triangled a fused clapton which was going great with sliders lol :/
Day of fails over, twisted and claptoned some 26 just to have something Work
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Have you tried stacking 4 LONG lengths? Double it over, cut off the loop, then double again for 16 stacks. That's what I did (but with 5 lengths) for the 20 core staples I posted a while back. Works great!
Just found this in the discard pile, what an alien stagg looks like when the gaps are too small to run into. Put a framed staple in the middle of this one. Definitely need to try a double framed one or even a sandwiched framed staple and see if that gets the outer wire stretched enough. By that I mean the same framed staple that's in the middle put on around it. Will probably give that a go tomorrow and update y'all
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ill have to have another crack at alien staggs soon. i have been trying to work on staggering in general lately because i always sucked at it. i also just got a quad parallel box that loves to fire low builds like these, so i have been experimenting in a whole new range of resistance (for me).Just found this in the discard pile, what an alien stagg looks like when the gaps are too small to run into. Put a framed staple in the middle of this one. Definitely need to try a double framed one or even a sandwiched framed staple and see if that gets the outer wire stretched enough. By that I mean the same framed staple that's in the middle put on around it. Will probably give that a go tomorrow and update y'all
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heres a couple color shots from the all ribbon ssfc i did last night. in total 14 x .3mm (3 x .3 for each frame). paraclaptoned with that 38g fishing line and 38n80. 3.5 wraps 3mm .08 ohms. i dunno if my skill level recently made a little jump, or if the new clamps are helping more, but my last 5 or so builds are all things i didnt really think i could do, yet i did
one thing i do know for sure has helped me, has been this thread and its participants 
ill have to have another crack at alien staggs soon. i have been trying to work on staggering in general lately because i always sucked at it. i also just got a quad parallel box that loves to fire low builds like these, so i have been experimenting in a whole new range of resistance (for me).
heres a couple color shots from the all ribbon ssfc i did last night. in total 14 x .3mm (3 x .3 for each frame). paraclaptoned with that 38g fishing line and 38n80. 3.5 wraps 3mm .08 ohms. i dunno if my skill level recently made a little jump, or if the new clamps are helping more, but my last 5 or so builds are all things i didnt really think i could do, yet i did
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Looking good brother!! Clamps do make a giant difference man, EVERYTHING with coil building is in the prep work. Hell im using the 3D printed drill clamp from USAOhmmeter and that’s even helping (after a few long Rants I had about wire slipping out of it, I think I finally figured out the issue haha). I am going to be grabbing Raymo clamps next batch tho, things are super clean.
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thanks man
yeah prep is really the key. bad prep can make a fused clapton build hard, or a framed staple impossible, but good prep makes both of those builds pretty much equal in difficulty (stack your cores, clapton, vape).
thanks man
Yeah, for sure. I went to my local bait & tackle shop the other day and bought some weights to hold the loop for staggering... it actually worked out really well. I didn’t do a full wire build, I only staggered a 17” 26g to make sure it would work. I got it set aside for when I’m done with the next few sets of fraliens I have to make (can’t wait to get a build into my new Phobia RDA.. it was pretty cheap but it’s a gorgeous RDA in the matte black).
It’s funny... when I stopped building wire, the only way to stagger was to either para Clapton and remove 1 or do the loop/finger method haha... when I started looking around on YouTube for newer tricks, I couldn’t believe the things people came up with... pretty incredible community we’re a part of, I can’t believe I ever stopped building!!!!
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