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MrMeowgi

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Ok fralien math. My final width is 1.2mm. divided by 3 is .4. Now the decore needs to be larger or smaller? 28g is .32mm wide. 26g is .405. would the 28g work since I'll be stretching or the 26g since it's already the same size.

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Ok fralien math. My final width is 1.2mm. divided by 3 is .4. Now the decore needs to be larger or smaller? 28g is .32mm wide. 26g is .405. would the 28g work since I'll be stretching or the 26g since it's already the same size.

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I actually found a screenshot I took the other day that has that exact math. Sorry

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chrisakasparky

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Ok fralien math. My final width is 1.2mm. divided by 3 is .4. Now the decore needs to be larger or smaller? 28g is .32mm wide. 26g is .405. would the 28g work since I'll be stretching or the 26g since it's already the same size.

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28 will be tight and not very wavy 26 will be more regular waves.
 

mach1ne

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Thanks. I was thinking the same. Trying to figure all this out so I don't have to calculate Everytime. Lol

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generally, as close as you can get to 1/3 of your total core width should work. theres a bit of a window as @chrisakasparky said, where if you use slightly larger decore, you get wavier aliens, so its preferable to be on the larger side than the smaller side imo (if you have the wire available to choose between too small or large). having some odd gauges around is handy for this stuff. there is also a bit of a balance if your decore is a lot larger than your height...like if you are trying to make a really wide one with 30 or 28 gauge frames (or just a big wide .3mm alien staple), where you might need a 26 or even 24 gauge decore. in those situations, sometimes the edges can get a bit weird where it has to wrap around something so much smaller. i dont do many builds like that, and im not sure if its avoidable or not, but its something i noticed in some pics here, and in my own builds when i push that too far.
 

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Not super happy with how this turned out. I failed build after build this week. At 9 tongiht (buildoff deadline is midnight) I decided to do something I know I can do. And even then it didn't turn out as nice as I would have liked.
Binary SSFC - .3KA1, 38g Ni80 binary, 3 ply .3KA1/42g Ni80, 28g Ni80, 38g Ni80 stag/fuse, 3mm ID, .1 ohm dual coil in the KTX

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Not super happy with how this turned out. I failed build after build this week. At 9 tongiht (buildoff deadline is midnight) I decided to do something I know I can do. And even then it didn't turn out as nice as I would have liked.
Binary SSFC - .3KA1, 38g Ni80 binary, 3 ply .3KA1/42g Ni80, 28g Ni80, 38g Ni80 stag/fuse, 3mm ID, .1 ohm dual coil in the KTX

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Man that is an amazing build.

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Not super happy with how this turned out. I failed build after build this week. At 9 tongiht (buildoff deadline is midnight) I decided to do something I know I can do. And even then it didn't turn out as nice as I would have liked.
Binary SSFC - .3KA1, 38g Ni80 binary, 3 ply .3KA1/42g Ni80, 28g Ni80, 38g Ni80 stag/fuse, 3mm ID, .1 ohm dual coil in the KTX

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That’s pretty f***ing insane.
 

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You guys impress the hell out of me. Like a mash up of all the hardest coils. What will I do with these 4 completely different coils? Shit let's fuse them in a staggered 46n80. Simply amazing

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That's pretty much all artistic building consists of. Taking all the known techniques and trying to make them work together. If your lucky you come up with something new. But, mostly its brainstorming on ways to make something interesting by mish-mashing things together.
 

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Wasted 2 days trying to get better pictures with my phone...oh well

Did interlocks...first times...yay

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your lighting is definitely on point now. that last shot with the black background really has that hazy beauty shot look to it that you mentioned. the other two shots look like they have it a lot less. are all three shots taken in the raw format?
 

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your lighting is definitely on point now. that last shot with the black background really has that hazy beauty shot look to it that you mentioned. the other two shots look like they have it a lot less. are all three shots taken in the raw format?


Fuck raw format :tantrum::tantrum::tantrum: all that failed debugging ruined me on it

None .dng, all .png, the bright one and the alien were in my "lightbox" and focus stacked
 

chrisakasparky

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So I wanna get my hedgehog math clear for next time I try. I’m thinking 2x28g, 12x.3r, 36g decored 30g, 40g stitch. I seems like a good fit, maybe one or two more plies in the stack? Last time I tried was 32g decore and I couldn’t stretch it quite far enough before it was locked on the stitch so this time I’m giving more room for stretch with a bigger decore. Or maybe a smaller stitch? I feel like the fuse wasn’t falling into alignment like aliens do, but it was all up to fuse tension so I’m thinking the stitch was making it harder for the alien waves to catch the edges of the stick...
 
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So I wanna get my hedgehog math clear for next time I try. I’m thinking 2x28g, 12x.3r, 36g decored 30g, 40g stitch. I seems like a good fit, maybe one or two more plies in the stack? Last time I tried was 32g decore and I couldn’t stretch it quite far enough before it was locked on the stitch so this time I’m giving more room for stretch with a bigger decore. Or maybe a smaller stitch? I feel like the fuse wasn’t falling into alignment like aliens do, but it was all up to fuse tension so I’m thinking the stitch was making it harder for the alien waves to catch the edges of the stick...

That's exactly the setup I was told works best
 

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Fuck raw format :tantrum::tantrum::tantrum: all that failed debugging ruined me on it

None .dng, all .png, the bright one and the alien were in my "lightbox" and focus stacked
lol shit, i totally thought that was the beauty shot look/haze you were talking about. the pic has a bit of an older film feel to it compared to the other ones. great pics and builds :cheers: you got the hang of para-clap now? your interlocks look easy from here lol :wave:
 

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Fuck raw format :tantrum::tantrum::tantrum: all that failed debugging ruined me on it

None .dng, all .png, the bright one and the alien were in my "lightbox" and focus stacked
I knda feel the same way about most of the photography. I enjoy messing around with it on occasion. I learned to focus stack. And I like to do tiny bits of editing on most of my shots. But more often than not I spend like a total of 1 minute (each) on all my post-shoot pictures. My problem is patience. I spend all me reserves on the building and by the time I'm ready to color and shoot I'm done lol.
So I wanna get my hedgehog math clear for next time I try. I’m thinking 2x28g, 12x.3r, 36g decored 30g, 40g stitch. I seems like a good fit, maybe one or two more plies in the stack? Last time I tried was 32g decore and I couldn’t stretch it quite far enough before it was locked on the stitch so this time I’m giving more room for stretch with a bigger decore. Or maybe a smaller stitch? I feel like the fuse wasn’t falling into alignment like aliens do, but it was all up to fuse tension so I’m thinking the stitch was making it harder for the alien waves to catch the edges of the stick...
I've looked time and time again and can't find a good solid answer to "What is the correct ratio for hedgehogs?". I do them between ~6/1 and ~8/1. I find 6/1 to be easier to stitch, obviously. But, it does give you less pronounced peaks. The answer I found to a stitched fuse catching better was a wider angle or less tension. This lesson I learned when I got into >2 Interlocks. But, depending on your core size for your decore, to little tension can make your core extremely loose and hard as hell to coil.
 

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Mad Dog RDA, Glass Top Cap, Aftermarket Screws Ni80 3*28g 40g Wrap Sitting on top of my Revenger I won from @Heaven Gifts

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I knda feel the same way about most of the photography. I enjoy messing around with it on occasion. I learned to focus stack. And I like to do tiny bits of editing on most of my shots. But more often than not I spend like a total of 1 minute (each) on all my post-shoot pictures. My problem is patience. I spend all me reserves on the building and by the time I'm ready to color and shoot I'm done lol.

I've looked time and time again and can't find a good solid answer to "What is the correct ratio for hedgehogs?". I do them between ~6/1 and ~8/1. I find 6/1 to be easier to stitch, obviously. But, it does give you less pronounced peaks. The answer I found to a stitched fuse catching better was a wider angle or less tension. This lesson I learned when I got into >2 Interlocks. But, depending on your core size for your decore, to little tension can make your core extremely loose and hard as hell to coil.
I think Nick Devine said that the correct ratio for Hedgehogs was 9:1 but it’s gotta also matter how much you stretch the decore. I’ve found that using anymore than minimum tension screws things up pretty quickly for me but I dunno, maybe the perfect way to do it is a little beyond my comprehension at the moment.:drunk::bliss::zombie:
 

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One of my failed builds for the week. I've got another one I'll take a pic of later.
46g mothership, stitched Interlock Enigma. was supposed to be stitched on both sides but by the time I got to the second one It was already failed so I didn't even stitch it lol.
Really needed a bigger core for my decore on the micro clap abd my fuse tension was WRETCHED. That's where things went south. You can see I kind of gave up on the third part.
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Another failed build from last week.
46g clap on a single corrugated piece of .3 ribbon (which was dumb cause you can even see the clap), .3r, 30g frame, 38g clap, 46g groove. Some of the fail was poor angle/tension and some of it was the fuse slipping between the claps caue they weren't tight enough.
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Another failed build from last week.
46g clap on a single corrugated piece of .3 ribbon (which was dumb cause you can even see the clap), .3r, 30g frame, 38g clap, 46g groove. Some of the fail was poor angle/tension and some of it was the fuse slipping between the claps caue they weren't tight enough.
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It might not be what you intended, but with all that space in there it looks like it'll hold a lot of juice for a great flavor coil.
 

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It might not be what you intended, but with all that space in there it looks like it'll hold a lot of juice for a great flavor coil.
The clean parts are exactly what it should look like. The final fuse sits in the groove of the claptons, but not between them, causing a space between the fuse, kind of like a stagger but with a completely different look.
Can't remember if I posted this one ... but here's an older one so you can see kinda what it should look like.
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The clean parts are exactly what it should look like. The final fuse sits in the groove of the claptons, but not between them, causing a space between them, kind of like a stagger but with a completely different look.
Can't remember if I posted this one ... but here's an older one so you can see kinda what it should look like.
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Sounds like your build weekend went about the same as my photography weekend.... :( We shall recover!

lol shit, i totally thought that was the beauty shot look/haze you were talking about. the pic has a bit of an older film feel to it compared to the other ones. great pics and builds :cheers: you got the hang of para-clap now? your interlocks look easy from here lol :wave:


I do have the hang of paraclapping, but did the force fuse method @WPMac explained a while back, wayyy easier! (Clapton, then Clapton again and make it go between the wraps of the first Clapton)

Unfortunately, what I wanted to do was para - Alien lol
 

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Sounds like your build weekend went about the same as my photography weekend.... :( We shall recover!
Yup ... i put a few good long hours into "my plan". It's just to much pealing up ribbon and trying to keep it secure without ruining it. And then trying to fuse with it still attached to the stick. Then laying it back down a little at a time and fusing that. I just don't have a gentle enough touch to make it work.

Then after that I failed 3 different builds, 2 of which i posted, before I gave up and just did something I know lol
 

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Damn I wish I was better at staggers...

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Stags are just like everything else, a practiced skill. The more you do them the easier they become. You have to put a little time to figure out what works best for you. Once you figure that out they get much easier real quick. I do more stags than anything and, as of late, they are easier than any decore.
 

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Stags are just like everything else, a practiced skill. The more you do them the easier they become. You have to put a little time to figure out what works best for you. Once you figure that out they get much easier real quick. I do more stags than anything and, as of late, they are easier than any decore.
I don't practice them much due to my distaste for the way they vape. I can build em (slowly) but I just don't lol

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chrisakasparky

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Didn’t take a picture but made a pair of 2x22g Ka1 parallel coils for the mason dump tank. 5mm id, I think 6.5-7.5 wraps, .21 ohms. They hit good, I haven’t tried them before, but this leaky dump tank is breaking my heart. I’m thinking of wet sanding the ends of the glass section so maybe they can get a little smoother or something.. as far as the airflow leaking not sure what to do. Wick it pretty tight this time so we’ll see.
 

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Well a framed staple (fraple) consists of a ribbon stack and a round wire gauge framing each side of the ribbon and then a round wire gauge fusing it all together. So, what size is your 2 different round wires, what size is your ribbon, and how many ribbon plies are there?
 

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