That's dern good for a first shot man
I've never tried more than 2 cores.
That's dern good for a first shot man
Hey. looky here. Nick's latest with TM.Have you tried Caterpillar track coils? I make them with about 30 cores of 38g wire, wraped with something between 30-34 gauge. Then pound the crap outta the wire, so it ends up looking like the treads on a Cat bulldozer. They're just a bit labor-intensive but have really great flavor.
Damn nice results, especially 4 a 1st go at em.
Honestly? I think yours are cleanerEverybody wants to be like me...
Honestly? I think yours are cleaner
Hey. looky here. Nick's latest with TM.
That's Twisted Messes. I can't remember his real name. Ken I think. NICK was giving a tutorial of his tutorial LOL! TM was one of the earlier pioneers of complex coil builds and he designed some RDA's too. Some of these vets will know more than me. Twisted Messes and Ohmboy OC recently collaborated on the Dang RDA. Which I want, but wish was about 40 dollars cheaper.ok. who was who ?
and. did you see ol boy trying to twist that coil, lol. bro, its not rebar
That's Twisted Messes. I can't remember his real name. Ken I think. NICK was giving a tutorial of his tutorial LOL! TM was one of the earlier pioneers of complex coil builds and he designed some RDA's too. Some of these vets will know more than me. Twisted Messes and Ohmboy OC recently collaborated on the Dang RDA. Which I want, but wish was about 40 dollars cheaper.
I was there first bubare you following me around the globe ?
i like the look of some of those TM's
There was one for 45 in the hardware thread. R3alJim Shady had it.That's Twisted Messes. I can't remember his real name. Ken I think. NICK was giving a tutorial of his tutorial LOL! TM was one of the earlier pioneers of complex coil builds and he designed some RDA's too. Some of these vets will know more than me. Twisted Messes and Ohmboy OC recently collaborated on the Dang RDA. Which I want, but wish was about 40 dollars cheaper.
His real name is Kent Hill. He's not just "one of" the pioneers BTW... he basically invented advanced coil building, as the advanced coil building community came to existence because of what he did, him being the first to have started posting advanced coil pics and build tutorials on social media with the type of builds interesting enough that others quickly followed suit, i.e., back at the time on social media nobody else but him had yet been using relatively thin wire sizes to build vapable coils with.That's Twisted Messes. I can't remember his real name. Ken I think. NICK was giving a tutorial of his tutorial LOL! TM was one of the earlier pioneers of complex coil builds and he designed some RDA's too. Some of these vets will know more than me. Twisted Messes and Ohmboy OC recently collaborated on the Dang RDA. Which I want, but wish was about 40 dollars cheaper.
Interesting.. but i have a way that will be much faster with very good results on cat tracks.Hey. looky here. Nick's latest with TM.
That's very ingenious. Did you design that building station?Quarantine and build
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Nah...i bought it.. the maker gifted me the swivel but i bought the station
Gave me a couple ideas. That is very cool.
Damn it...theyre kickimg me in my ass. I cant get em..
Made a few Aliens today...
Might order another 1000’ of 36/38/40 wire, to be set for a long while.
And some more key rings
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Noted...thanks...been at them for a bitIt took me a while to get them down well enough.
The few things I suggest is getting key rings, you twist them on the cores as a slider or utilize flat wire the same and pinch... I use 3- 3/4” diameter key rings across a 12” run
Next is having the drill anchored also, this allows you to pull the tension tight rather than relying on holding a drill stationary, I use speed clamps like this
And lay the drill on its side and clamp it to my desk... others use a vise... these are lighter and do the same thing. And since your build station allows you to adjust your swivel height, this might be something to aid in getting tighter tension.
Next I don’t do the whole 12” run let’s say left to right, I start left and go to the middle, then reverse the drill and right to left, this I’ve found eliminates additional twisting of the cores.
Lastly is the stretch, probably the most pivotal point. I suggest understretching the Decore... start trying to wrap, if you need to put tension for it to wrap, stretch just a tad more, then spin a few wraps worth... you should barely have to hold a lead on wrapping for it to just wrap itself...
Then it’s all about speed, I can’t wrap aliens fast like some, I have the drill on low speed which is like a max of 250 rpm, and I half squeeze the trigger to go slower.
I’m no magician, I still mess up making them... plus it only takes 8” of total wire to make a pair of 3mm 5 wraps
Oh yeah, I don’t place the cores within the jaws of the drill clutch, I cut the length down on a Bobby pin, can use a simple eye hole threaded bolt also, but wife had Bobby pins so I stole a few
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My coil techer(yoda) as i call him says u canndo staggs but not aliens. Your an opposite type of person..lolAlso, just to boost ya some... you can make staggered fused claptons... I booger those to hell and back, I don’t even attempt them anymore
I can’t space the regular claptons to save my life... and I know of the beadalon and or using the wire loop method to space the Clapton wraps... but yeah... I suck and can’t do it
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You use key rings to hold your cores? Looks to work well. One method I never tried.
Made a few Aliens today...
Might order another 1000’ of 36/38/40 wire, to be set for a long while.
And some more key rings
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I got a spool of 40 one time. Still have that spool. It's fine like hair
Grab the key rings and throw them as far away as you can possibly throw. Do not understretch the decore. (A very, VERY tiny amount of understretch is still Okay.) Also when you cut your clapton, you don't actually need to remove it from your swivel. Just cut at the drill end, and, leave the core attached to your swivel when you decore so, next, this will be your middle core. As for the length of the cores, having about 1 ft., or more, of excess in the cores is going to help to prevent additional twisting of the cores, thus eliminating the hassle of having to stop in the middle and of having to go in reverse and etc.. Next, loop a single long piece of wire around the swivel in such a way that this will be your other two cores, and, at the same time also, be sure to not pull on it too hard... the little bit of spacing that goes on between the three cores at the swivel end of the cores is going to help keep the cores from wanting to bunch up. If you notice you're getting twist in the cores, either it's because you're pulling too hard on the drill or it's because you just need to get better swivels... or both. When aliening, start your drill on slow speed, and, after watching it catch, go full speed on the drill. Staying on slow speed actually increases, not decreases, the risk of fucking it up. It doesn't take to be a magician. All it basically takes is to never apply more tension than actually is needed for keeping the wires snug. This is true not only as for the cores, but also as for every other step throughout the whole process of building aliens. The harder you pull, the harder you will curse. And, the slower you go on the drill, the harder you will curse.It took me a while to get them down well enough.
The few things I suggest is getting key rings, you twist them on the cores as a slider or utilize flat wire the same and pinch... I use 3- 3/4” diameter key rings across a 12” run
Next is having the drill anchored also, this allows you to pull the tension tight rather than relying on holding a drill stationary, I use speed clamps like this
And lay the drill on its side and clamp it to my desk... others use a vise... these are lighter and do the same thing. And since your build station allows you to adjust your swivel height, this might be something to aid in getting tighter tension.
Next I don’t do the whole 12” run let’s say left to right, I start left and go to the middle, then reverse the drill and right to left, this I’ve found eliminates additional twisting of the cores.
Lastly is the stretch, probably the most pivotal point. I suggest understretching the Decore... start trying to wrap, if you need to put tension for it to wrap, stretch just a tad more, then spin a few wraps worth... you should barely have to hold a lead on wrapping for it to just wrap itself...
Then it’s all about speed, I can’t wrap aliens fast like some, I have the drill on low speed which is like a max of 250 rpm, and I half squeeze the trigger to go slower.
I’m no magician, I still mess up making them... plus it only takes 8” of total wire to make a pair of 3mm 5 wraps
Oh yeah, I don’t place the cores within the jaws of the drill clutch, I cut the length down on a Bobby pin, can use a simple eye hole threaded bolt also, but wife had Bobby pins so I stole a few
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Meg sent me a pair that were wrapped with 42. I can't remember offhand what the cores were. (I think 4 ribbons) I really doubt there's any way I could work with that.
No problemo.
The thinnest round wire I'll ever use is 40g, and, I'll never use it for anything other than a traditional-old stapled helix build (that is, with 2×32g twisted for the frames, .3×.1 ribbons for the ribbon stack). For aliens or fraliens, I found that 36g or 38g always vapes better than 40g so, because I have no interest in building coils that are more about looks than they are about how it actually vapes, I don't even want or need 42g anyway... and that is in spite of the fact I still love to make art. (I'll simply be happy to make paintings instead lol).
It took me a while to get them down well enough.
The few things I suggest is getting key rings, you twist them on the cores as a slider or utilize flat wire the same and pinch... I use 3- 3/4” diameter key rings across a 12” run
Next is having the drill anchored also, this allows you to pull the tension tight rather than relying on holding a drill stationary, I use speed clamps like this
And lay the drill on its side and clamp it to my desk... others use a vise... these are lighter and do the same thing. And since your build station allows you to adjust your swivel height, this might be something to aid in getting tighter tension.
Next I don’t do the whole 12” run let’s say left to right, I start left and go to the middle, then reverse the drill and right to left, this I’ve found eliminates additional twisting of the cores.
Lastly is the stretch, probably the most pivotal point. I suggest understretching the Decore... start trying to wrap, if you need to put tension for it to wrap, stretch just a tad more, then spin a few wraps worth... you should barely have to hold a lead on wrapping for it to just wrap itself...
Then it’s all about speed, I can’t wrap aliens fast like some, I have the drill on low speed which is like a max of 250 rpm, and I half squeeze the trigger to go slower.
I’m no magician, I still mess up making them... plus it only takes 8” of total wire to make a pair of 3mm 5 wraps
Oh yeah, I don’t place the cores within the jaws of the drill clutch, I cut the length down on a Bobby pin, can use a simple eye hole threaded bolt also, but wife had Bobby pins so I stole a few
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Hey man good to see you around.I actually mess up more when I’m going slower.... I think it’s the slower I go the more time my brain has to think I’m at the wrong angle or too much tension in the decore, etc... when I go faster my brain has less time to think and my instincts take over.
I tend to make a lot more Fraliens then I do normal Aliens, just what I prefer to vape. Lately, if I’m making an order for someone or just stocking up on tri/quad core Incase someone places an order I tend to go a bit slower then I typically do with my Fraliens but only because I need to make sure the cores aren’t binding up. This could be because I’ve taken a long break for coil building to deal with real life issues because I don’t remember slowing down for straight round aliens in the past lol
The biggest tip I could give anyone who’s just starting to make aliens is to use SS316L as the decore. IDK why, but IMO it does the alien wrap so much better then n80, especially kanthal. I think it’s a bit softer then n80/kanthal, I could be wrong though. No matter what cores I’m using, I always have a SS316L as the decore.
And I know most of you guys probably don’t know me or remember me but I’m one of the older members of this coil building forum
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My brain thinks waa-aaaa-aaaaaaay faster than my 2000rpm cordless drill can keep up with so, my instincts don't easily take over. That's just part of who I am, how I've always been so there's seriously nothing I can do about it... yet, despite this, I also actually mess up more when I'm going slower... in fact it didn't take long for me to notice the fact there aren't too many people who don't. So then I got curious about why that is, as my wanting to know everything about everything (or almost) also is part of who I am. The answer is really simple. At high speed it just slaps it into place so that buys you more leeway.I actually mess up more when I’m going slower.... I think it’s the slower I go the more time my brain has to think I’m at the wrong angle or too much tension in the decore, etc... when I go faster my brain has less time to think and my instincts take over.
I tend to make a lot more Fraliens then I do normal Aliens, just what I prefer to vape. Lately, if I’m making an order for someone or just stocking up on tri/quad core Incase someone places an order I tend to go a bit slower then I typically do with my Fraliens but only because I need to make sure the cores aren’t binding up. This could be because I’ve taken a long break for coil building to deal with real life issues because I don’t remember slowing down for straight round aliens in the past lol
The biggest tip I could give anyone who’s just starting to make aliens is to use SS316L as the decore. IDK why, but IMO it does the alien wrap so much better then n80, especially kanthal. I think it’s a bit softer then n80/kanthal, I could be wrong though. No matter what cores I’m using, I always have a SS316L as the decore.
And I know most of you guys probably don’t know me or remember me but I’m one of the older members of this coil building forum
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Then, what would anyone expect from me. *chuckles* I butter both sides of my toast.
I wasn't trying to suggest that I'm fast at everything I do. I'm not. Just the think processes inside my brain always are fast, and, I cannot change this fact, as it really is just part of who I am. The good thing about it is, it enables me to be ahead of other people in situations and environments where it actually does matter. But you betcha there are way more than plenty of environments where everyone just assumes it is abnormal for a person to be like this. As a result from this, in many cases it creates serious problems at the personal level. But I don't think it makes me abnormal, and also I don't think it makes me special, or better. Instead, it only means I'm different. I.e., normal is just that which most people think it is.I can agree with this theory of yours, up to a point. Used to be a bit of a speed demon at doing stuff as well and know your theory holds a good bit of merit and validity from that experience. Met my wife, she is slow, methodical. Did I mention she is slow?
Over the past twenty years married to her, I've developed being "normal" speed. Of course, I still go too fast for her. She complains I have only one gear and it's full speed ahead. Still, in finding a common ground tempo I'm learning of doing slow.
There's a reason some of the best special services soldiers are taught a mantra. "Slow and steady, slow is smooth, smooth is fast, fast is lethal." If you take time and work gradually, ensuring you are doing the doing correctly, it does move the whole process along with a lot less adversity. It goes "smoother". And that makes it ultimately go faster.
Speaking here from seeing both sides of the fence. I still have trouble going slow. Still get told "take it easy", and still reply, "I go any easier, may as well be in a grave." That personal difficulty aside, I see validity to going slow or fast.
I actually mess up more when I’m going slower.... I think it’s the slower I go the more time my brain has to think I’m at the wrong angle or too much tension in the decore, etc... when I go faster my brain has less time to think and my instincts take over.
I tend to make a lot more Fraliens then I do normal Aliens, just what I prefer to vape. Lately, if I’m making an order for someone or just stocking up on tri/quad core Incase someone places an order I tend to go a bit slower then I typically do with my Fraliens but only because I need to make sure the cores aren’t binding up. This could be because I’ve taken a long break for coil building to deal with real life issues because I don’t remember slowing down for straight round aliens in the past lol
The biggest tip I could give anyone who’s just starting to make aliens is to use SS316L as the decore. IDK why, but IMO it does the alien wrap so much better then n80, especially kanthal. I think it’s a bit softer then n80/kanthal, I could be wrong though. No matter what cores I’m using, I always have a SS316L as the decore.
And I know most of you guys probably don’t know me or remember me but I’m one of the older members of this coil building forum
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Instead, it only means I'm different. I.e., normal is just that which most people think it is.
