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Just Frank

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Watching you become an amazing builder over the last several months has been awesome @Just Frank!! I would love to try out your staggered fused claptons ever mail any to Canada?
Thank you for the kind words. I haven't mailed any to Canada but it shouldn't cost much. PM me your address and I'll try mail some soon.
 
I'm on my way! Posted this in my having trouble with staggered thread:
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Staggered builds are a whole new avenue I've been trying. I fly through aliens as fast as my drill can go it seems like sometimes. I had to slow everything way down to start having success with just regular staggered claptons. I was really having trouble with smaller gauges but Im doing better now. I made 2x28/40+40 SFC's today.
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If you don't make these let me know, I can mail you some. The flavor is outstanding. I tried a 3x28/38 alien coil in my Druga RTA and it seemed good. I switched it out for a 2x28+38 staggered fused clapton and it's amazing now. For whatever reason the SFC was a better "fit" for that particular tank. I got one in one of my E.Dragons now too. The flavor is just intense.

I'll probably never be able to make the kind in the photo you posted though .

Edit- I just noticed I posted a month ago about started staggered builds. I've made significant strides since then.

Looking great! have also been working on SFC coils a lot lately. I think the flavor is amazing and they are a beautiful looking coil. I have found a bunch of people around the country who really like them as well. I am building dual core 26 or 28g with 36 or 38 wrap. Someone told me they preferred 24g cores, so I made a few of those.

I use the clamp method and find that it works reliably with 36g, but I have more issues with 38g.
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I only want it to taste amazing. Is that too much to ask?
 

~Don~

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I finally got the hang of/feel for multicore. 2 solid builds, about 8 sets in all, and my friends all want a set. 3x26/38 and 3×26/36g.

I am going to attempt SSFC next.
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I only want it to taste amazing. Is that too much to ask?
All I want to know is the cutters you're using lol

NONE! of my cuts are like this! It's like a hydraulic sheet metal sheer clean, my goodness
 

Wb80

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2x25ni90/26ss316/.4 ni80 ribbon
5 wrap coming in at .09
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You sent a pair of those i an rda i purchased from you. Good colis.
 

Just Frank

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I got one of these things:
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Then I made two (actually 4) of these things:
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It's all N80: 28ga frames, .3 ribbon, 38ga fuse.

I made another stick before this which was bigger. 26ga frames, .4 ribbon, & 36/38ga.
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I noticed how wavy the corrugated part was and wanted to get rid of some of that. The single pieces on the outside of the corrugated part looked funny to me as well so the next one I did 2, 2, 2.
 

~Don~

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I got one of these things:
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Then I made two (actually 4) of these things:
QFlTGhE.jpg

It's all N80: 28ga frames, .3 ribbon, 38ga fuse.

I made another stick before this which was bigger. 26ga frames, .4 ribbon, & 36/38ga.
5xfPl8G.jpg

I noticed how wavy the corrugated part was and wanted to get rid of some of that. The single pieces on the outside of the corrugated part looked funny to me as well so the next one I did 2, 2, 2.

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Seriously though, super rad watching your progression, much more involved than I am.

I always wanted to venture out and do more elaborate builds, old age ailments (far sightedness and RA) I accepted my limits and happy with Aliens and Fraliens


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Wb80

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I got one of these things:
517gmxRj5FL._AC_SX679_.jpg


Then I made two (actually 4) of these things:
QFlTGhE.jpg

It's all N80: 28ga frames, .3 ribbon, 38ga fuse.

I made another stick before this which was bigger. 26ga frames, .4 ribbon, & 36/38ga.
5xfPl8G.jpg

I noticed how wavy the corrugated part was and wanted to get rid of some of that. The single pieces on the outside of the corrugated part looked funny to me as well so the next one I did 2, 2, 2.
Your coils are looking amazing. Coil porn all the way.
 

gsmit1

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Member For 3 Years
I got one of these things:
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Then I made two (actually 4) of these things:
QFlTGhE.jpg

It's all N80: 28ga frames, .3 ribbon, 38ga fuse.

I made another stick before this which was bigger. 26ga frames, .4 ribbon, & 36/38ga.
5xfPl8G.jpg

I noticed how wavy the corrugated part was and wanted to get rid of some of that. The single pieces on the outside of the corrugated part looked funny to me as well so the next one I did 2, 2, 2.
AWESOME!!!

All ya gotta do now is mix up the metals and put some heat to em for that groovadelic Crayola look :D

You know. Like make the corrugated ribbon kanthal, the staple ribbon and the frames stainless, and the fuse wire nichrome. Or some combination. Then heat em up slowly for the coloring.
 
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Just Frank

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AWESOME!!!

All ya gotta do now is mix up the metals and put some heat to em for that groovadelic Crayola look :D

You know. Like make the corrugated ribbon kanthal, the staple ribbon and the frames stainless, and the fuse wire nichrome. Or some combination. Then heat em up slowly for the coloring.
I'm not sure if I'll get that intricate. I've seen some of those kinds and they look pretty cool. I watched a coil wars video last night and some of that stuff was unbelievable. I skipped over a whole progression called Helix. It looks pretty easy though so I might try it. Some of the micro stuff looks really cool too.
 

gsmit1

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I'm not sure if I'll get that intricate. I've seen some of those kinds and they look pretty cool. I watched a coil wars video last night and some of that stuff was unbelievable. I skipped over a whole progression called Helix. It looks pretty easy though so I might try it. Some of the micro stuff looks really cool too.
Well, you're already that intricate. I'm just talking about mixing up the materials. Not that there's any necessity or anything, but just a suggestion :)
 

~Don~

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Thanks. I really took a liking to spinning wires. I never planned on getting too fancy but staggering/staggered frames has opened up a lot more builds. It's been pretty fun for me.
Well there is a lot of people who love these types of coils for their personal use, and you really could make some decent money. Builders who charge $15+ a set of coils aren't making anything much more difficult than you already have.

Some coils I know and saw, they are charging $60 a pop... for coils! I get the time involvement, truly do... and lets take Josh's coils for example...

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To me this is more Art than actual vape tailored coils... but something like this would take time to make and I can see the cost.

Food for thought if you wanted to take it step further and add some supplement income.

Be an easy endeavor... can set up a store front here, and if you're not sure on what coils you make ohm out to, make everything, fire them up, write it down, post pics, and viola... can probably even link the store front here on IG/Reddit/FB etc... I'd probably name them Wire Art for Photographic representational reasons ;)

Be rad!
 

Just Frank

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Well there is a lot of people who love these types of coils for their personal use, and you really could make some decent money. Builders who charge $15+ a set of coils aren't making anything much more difficult than you already have.

Some coils I know and saw, they are charging $60 a pop... for coils! I get the time involvement, truly do... and lets take Josh's coils for example...

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To me this is more Art than actual vape tailored coils... but something like this would take time to make and I can see the cost.

Food for thought if you wanted to take it step further and add some supplement income.

Be an easy endeavor... can set up a store front here, and if you're not sure on what coils you make ohm out to, make everything, fire them up, write it down, post pics, and viola... can probably even link the store front here on IG/Reddit/FB etc... I'd probably name them Wire Art for Photographic representational reasons ;)

Be rad!
Yeah that's something to think about. "Miniature wire art sculptures" *unintended for vaping* lol.

That camera shot looks awesome. I'm pretty hobo at all this. I've been holding the end of a BB gun scope up to my phone to get close up photos. Today I finally got a proper macro clip for my phone. I took a few shots of one of the corrugated coils I wrapped up. I have to hold my phone pretty close to the coil. It blocks light so I'll have to try some different things. Here's a few shot I took using the clip on thingies:
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I noticed a piece of crud on one of the end wraps. Not sure if it's from my nylon pliers. Hopefully I can get better at photos. Maybe I should look for a decent digital camera instead of the clips.
 

~Don~

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Member For 5 Years
Yeah that's something to think about. "Miniature wire art sculptures" *unintended for vaping* lol.

That camera shot looks awesome. I'm pretty hobo at all this. I've been holding the end of a BB gun scope up to my phone to get close up photos. Today I finally got a proper macro clip for my phone. I took a few shots of one of the corrugated coils I wrapped up. I have to hold my phone pretty close to the coil. It blocks light so I'll have to try some different things. Here's a few shot I took using the clip on thingies:
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yfnEizK.jpg

S8TR720.jpg

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I noticed a piece of crud on one of the end wraps. Not sure if it's from my nylon pliers. Hopefully I can get better at photos. Maybe I should look for a decent digital camera instead of the clips.

I really think you’re skilled, enough so that I really think you SHOULD invest in yourself much more and make a small business of these skills.

For photos, you can’t go wrong with a decent camera, but even cell phones have them; clearly not as well as DSLRs, but with photo specific lighting and light box and focus stacking you can create some radical picture sets.

Even just a homemade light box, simple phone tripod is a good start.

I do hope to see you make a name for yourself in the coils for sale scene, I’ll cheer you on!

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gsmit1

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Member For 3 Years
Yeah that's something to think about. "Miniature wire art sculptures" *unintended for vaping* lol.

That camera shot looks awesome. I'm pretty hobo at all this. I've been holding the end of a BB gun scope up to my phone to get close up photos. Today I finally got a proper macro clip for my phone. I took a few shots of one of the corrugated coils I wrapped up. I have to hold my phone pretty close to the coil. It blocks light so I'll have to try some different things. Here's a few shot I took using the clip on thingies:
8m1On11.jpg

yfnEizK.jpg

S8TR720.jpg

eSEPkL5.jpg


I noticed a piece of crud on one of the end wraps. Not sure if it's from my nylon pliers. Hopefully I can get better at photos. Maybe I should look for a decent digital camera instead of the clips.
That is really impressive, especially since you haven't even really been building that long.
 

~Don~

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I heard Nick Devine (who's gonna question that boy's skills?) say that his go to coils for actual vaping are like fused claptons and aliens :D

He said the rest is all about the challenge and the art form.
I agree with that...

Time to benefit ratio on coils is a real thing... Whip up simple .10 Fused that is nearly identical in surface area, mass as my aliens... I can't tell the difference between the two... besides one only taking me 3 minutes to spin up 3 feet, and the other taking me 15ish minutes to make half as much.

BUT! I love seeing the creative side of coil masters... and I can fully understand the challenge aspect.
 

Carambrda

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I agree with that...
I don't. In direct comparison to aliens, fused claptons are lacking in flavor production. The difference is easily 20%-25%. Easily. But I can make the difference go away. Also easily. :p
 

~Don~

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I don't. In direct comparison to aliens, fused claptons are lacking in flavor production. The difference is easily 20%-25%. Easily. But I can make the difference go away. Also easily. :p

I have to respectfully disagree.

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One is a fused Clapton and one is an alien Clapton...

Between the two, I really can’t tell a difference, for they are very similar.

I will defer though to that this is a specific example and generally Aliens are better


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gsmit1

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I definitely appreciate complex coils and the folks who can build them. I look at somebody like Raymo (where's he been?) and you have to give somebody like that credit for even being able to imagine some of that stuff to say nothing of actually doing it.

I had aspirations of maybe going n that direction for about a half hour until I tried it. There is just NO WAY I will ever have the time or patience to pull that stuff off.
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Carambrda

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I have to respectfully disagree.

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One is a fused Clapton and one is an alien Clapton...

Between the two, I really can’t tell a difference, for they are very similar.

I will defer though to that this is a specific example and generally Aliens are better


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Those are a bunch of numbers on a screen. Aliens only really start to shine the moment after you realize that what you're doing right now is you are trying to study a river by taking out a bucket of water staring at it on the shore. Vaping at higher power than most, you also need to factor in things like juice flow rate. This is where fused claptons are lacking. You'd think the cotton is all that matters, that keeping it well saturated at all times is what gets you there. But you are forgetting about the rate at which the boiling juice flows through the numerous tiny cavities and crevasses that are interlinked, just like you are forgetting the fact that fast evaporation causes increased pressure that also explains the loud crackling sound that can be had with aliens at least if certain criteria are met. The more important thing to note about that is, there exist different types of spitback. One type tends to just burn your tongue like a volcano, but this doesn't also mean that all types of spitback are necessarily always a bad thing.

When a tiny droplet of boiling juice shoots out into the surrounding airflow, it continues to evaporate while it remains airborne for a short period that can be just long enough for it to be cooled down to such an extent that the vape experience does not tend to be abrasive. At this specific point is where it adds texture and some level of wetness, and warmth, but the flavor production also receives a very noticeable boost that I know not everyone likes, which is why I chose the word 'difference', not 'improvement', albeit the fact that this is what keeps some people─myself included─vaping, is still called an improvement anyway. Instead of a slow running creek, when I look at aliens, what I am factually looking at is something more akin to Niagara Falls. And the sound they make is fairly similar, too...

I find that violent, volcanic spitback correlates with using thicker wire strands, at least to some degree. There are tipping points. If the wire is too thin, the pleasant, lively, full-bodied, meaty/rich texture gets drowned in over-smoothness. But with fused claptons I am unable to reproduce these kinds of characteristics, as the second half of the inhale is burning the juice from not getting enough juice to get sucked into the coils in spite of the fact the cotton is perfectly soaked and the wicking job is done right also. Only if I turn the wattage down, this problem disappears. But if I do that, then the flavor is held back, and the texture also feels like not enough butter smeared on too much bread or like a pop soda gone flat with ice cubes melted.

Maybe you aren't aware of this fact, but there actually are thousands upon thousands of high wattage vapers out there who share this same observation, that the total surface area of the coil, the total amount of metal that the coil is made of, the level of power and airflow, the wicking job, the type of juice used and the saturation level of the cotton are not the only variables when it comes to how fast it can keep wicking the juice while the juice boils. Coil construction is an important factor in spite of the fact that the importance can be reduced by forcing it in that direction, purposely or not purposely, by playing with the variables. Just because reducing it is possible, doesn't mean you have to.

About seven years ago, this is what some people were slowly but surely starting to discover, and the number of vapers who have acknowledged it keeps going up, even today. What's more, those who never liked the fact that this number has been rising so fast are usually the ones who tend to be the most vocal about how they never liked it. They come to places like this to gather up and pretend that those who can taste differences must be deluded. Not trying to point any fingers here, but you don't have to dig very deep to see the real truth about why most of those who can taste differences have moved away from places like this as far as they possibly were able to... respectfully.
 
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~Don~

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Those are a bunch of numbers on a screen. Aliens only really start to shine the moment after you realize that what you're doing right now is you are trying to study a river by taking out a bucket of water staring at it on the shore. Vaping at higher power than most, you also need to factor in things like juice flow rate. This is where fused claptons are lacking. You'd think the cotton is all that matters, that keeping it well saturated at all times is what gets you there. But you are forgetting about the rate at which the boiling juice flows through the numerous tiny cavities and crevasses that are interlinked, just like you are forgetting the fact that fast evaporation causes increased pressure that also explains the loud crackling sound that can be had with aliens at least if certain criteria are met. The more important thing to note about that is, there exist different types of spitback. One type tends to just burn your tongue like a volcano, but this doesn't also mean that all types of spitback are necessarily always a bad thing.

When a tiny droplet of boiling juice shoots out into the surrounding airflow, it continues to evaporate while it remains airborne for a short period that can be just long enough for it to be cooled down to such an extent that the vape experience does not tend to be abrasive. At this specific point is where it adds texture and some level of wetness, and warmth, but the flavor production also receives a very noticeable boost that I know not everyone likes, which is why I chose the word 'difference', not 'improvement', albeit the fact that this is what keeps some people─myself included─vaping, is still called an improvement anyway. Instead of a slow running creek, when I look at aliens, what I am factually looking at is something more akin to Niagara Falls. And the sound they make is fairly similar, too...

I find that violent, volcanic spitback correlates with using thicker wire strands, at least to some degree. There are tipping points. If the wire is too thin, the pleasant, lively, full-bodied, meaty/rich texture gets drowned in over-smoothness. But with fused claptons I am unable to reproduce these kinds of characteristics, as the second half of the inhale is burning the juice from not getting enough juice to get sucked into the coils in spite of the fact the cotton is perfectly soaked and the wicking job is done right also. Only if I turn the wattage down, this problem disappears. But if I do that, then the flavor is held back, and the texture also feels like not enough butter smeared on too much bread or like a pop soda gone flat with ice cubes melted.

Maybe you aren't aware of this fact, but there actually are thousands upon thousands of high wattage vapers out there who share this same observation, that the total surface area of the coil, the total amount of metal that the coil is made of, the level of power and airflow, the wicking job, the type of juice used and the saturation level of the cotton are not the only variables when it comes to how fast it can keep wicking the juice while the juice boils. Coil construction is an important factor in spite of the fact that the importance can be reduced by forcing it in that direction, purposely or not purposely, by playing with the variables. Just because reducing it is possible, doesn't mean you have to.

About seven years ago, this is what some people were slowly but surely starting to discover, and the number of vapers who have acknowledged it keeps going up, even today. What's more, those who never liked the fact that this number has been rising so fast are usually the ones who tend to be the most vocal about how they never liked it. They come to places like this to gather up and pretend that those who can taste differences must be deluded. Not trying to point any fingers here, but you don't have to dig very deep to see the real truth about why most of those who can taste differences have moved away from places like this as far as they possibly were able to... respectfully.

That’s a lot of words to defend your position, of which I agreed with before your marathon response.

I admit too, I didn’t read it all, much, ok not more than a few sentences; I’ve learned even from a young age how structure of a stance is, the point is first sentence and last, rest is fluff.

It’s like watching a Disney movie, the template being, All is good, the drama, the trials, the victor, happily ever after. Where some of Disney’s movies are great and some are less so.

Reminds me of a time long ago, I must of been 11 or 12… I was walking along the creek bed that ran from the Geneseo River… looking at the tadpoles and small fish, thinking to myself of how life (I know right, a pre-teen thinking about life) was good, not a care in the world really, just a kid, his stick and the creek.

Anyway, as anyone knows about creeks and sludge, there are points of where you walk that you might step in some erosion of the creek bed and end up taking a small bath.

Well, bath was not going to be this day I remember saying, and proceeded to eye the makeshift bridge; simple fallen tree a bunch of us neighboring kids moved into place one summer past.

Anyway…

As interesting as it may of been to read the wall of text I half made up (there was some truths) it’s was unneeded, since the first sentence was more than enough, and sometimes the last.


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Carambrda

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That’s a lot of words to defend your position, of which I agreed with before your marathon response.

I admit too, I didn’t read it all, much, ok not more than a few sentences; I’ve learned even from a young age how structure of a stance is, the point is first sentence and last, rest is fluff.

It’s like watching a Disney movie, the template being, All is good, the drama, the trials, the victor, happily ever after. Where some of Disney’s movies are great and some are less so.

Reminds me of a time long ago, I must of been 11 or 12… I was walking along the creek bed that ran from the Geneseo River… looking at the tadpoles and small fish, thinking to myself of how life (I know right, a pre-teen thinking about life) was good, not a care in the world really, just a kid, his stick and the creek.

Anyway, as anyone knows about creeks and sludge, there are points of where you walk that you might step in some erosion of the creek bed and end up taking a small bath.

Well, bath was not going to be this day I remember saying, and proceeded to eye the makeshift bridge; simple fallen tree a bunch of us neighboring kids moved into place one summer past.

Anyway…

As interesting as it may of been to read the wall of text I half made up (there was some truths) it’s was unneeded, since the first sentence was more than enough, and sometimes the last.


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I generally just try to avoid people who only read the first and last sentence. That's just because I don't do bottomless pits.
 

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