STS will be shutting down website due to FDA

[roxynoodle]

This is terrible news.

Roxy, what does Augvapes FB say? I don't have Facebook.

That they're worried about going out of business if the regs stand.

 

[ej1024]

After 90 days from the date of deeming proposals all
ENDS stops!
Can't sell
Can't manufacture
Can't attempt to sell
Within the USA
except products from
2-15-2007 BULLSHIT

MANUFACTURERS
JUICE MAKERS have a 24 months to apply to whatever bullshit they want THEM to apply , during that time,no new products are allowed to be sold
Manufactured within the USA!!
YEAH ITS SO FUCKED UP!!



VAPE ON

 

[Droogbc]

My country tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing.
Land where my fathers died!
Land of the Pilgrim's pride!
From every mountain side,
Let freedom ring!

 

[Time]

I understand that, but 'calls for new rules' doesn't mean that this is in effect as of August 8 of this year - unless I'm misreading here? Or are these expected to go in to effect by then?

I expect it to go into effect 8-8. But, that's just me. I don't know for certain.

Only things that get extra time are for applications for new products and some labeling requirements. But, the face to face thing needs no time to comply.

 

[dave61]

We need a large uhaul van and many friends to donate to a cause mentioned later for trip to STS or pickup of donated tanks and mods
All donations from friends to be given to STS to be given to the cause of his choice

Therefore no sale happened just a gifts between friends

 

[5150sick]

Page 387


Description: On June 22, 2009, the President signed the Tobacco Control Act into law. In this rule, the Agency is extending FDA's "tobacco product" authorities in the FD&C Act to all other categories of products meeting the statutory definition of "tobacco product" in section 201(rr) of the FD&C Act, excluding accessories of deemed tobacco products. (Two options were presented in the NPRM. Under Option 1, all products meeting the definition of a "tobacco product," except accessories of newly deemed tobacco products, would be deemed. Option 2 was the same as Option 1, except a subset of cigars known as "premium cigars" would be excluded. After thorough review of the comments and the scientific evidence, FDA has concluded that Option 1 more effectively protects the public health and therefore has made that the scope of the final rule.) The rule also prohibits the sale of covered tobacco products to individuals under the age of 18 and prohibits the sale of covered tobacco products using the assistance of any retail-based electronic or mechanical device (such as a vending machine) except in facilities where the retailer ensures that no person younger than 18 years of age is present, or permitted to enter, at any time. The requirement that a retailer sell covered tobacco products in only a direct, face-to-face exchange without the assistance of electronic or mechanical devices is not intended to prevent the sale of tobacco products via the Internet, but the sale of covered tobacco products via any medium (including the Internet) must only be to persons 18 years of age or older.

 

[5150sick]

I'd swear of some of these places just asked advocates about this sort of shit then misinformation wouldn't get spread throughout the internet like this.

Don't believe me, fine message Greg Conley, lawyer, ex Casaa board member and President of the American Vaping Association and ask him yourself if the FDA's deeming regulations bans the sale of Eliquid & Vaporizers on the internet yourself:

https://www.facebook.com/grconley

The truth is you can get cigars, pipe tobacco, snus, and chewing tobacco on the internet right now.
The only thing that is banned via the internet is cigarettes.
Just cigarettes nothing else.

 

[5150sick]

Page 323

(Comment 234) Some comments suggested that the deeming rule include a ban on Internet sales.
These comments asserted that manufacturers and retailers are not enforcing age verification effectively and that youth are able to purchase tobacco products when they are not in the physical presence of the seller.

Several comments also recommended that FDA require retailers to verify the age of purchasers of newly deemed tobacco products using methods similar to those found in the Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking (PACT) Act of 2009 (which ensures the collection of Federal, State, and local tobacco taxes on cigarettes and smokeless tobacco sold via the Internet or mail order sales).

Other comments opined that neither the PACT Act nor State laws have been effective in preventing youth access to tobacco products. (Response) Under this rule,
retailers may not sell covered tobacco products (through any medium) to individuals under 18 years of age. FDA will continue to actively enforce the 324 minimum age restriction for mail order sales and Internet sales. FDA will continue to assess whether additional access restrictions would be appropriate.

 

[5150sick]

Page 319

(Comment 226) Several comments discussed Internet sales of tobacco products.
Some comments favored a ban on Internet sales for all tobacco products, some supported a ban on only certain tobacco products, and others opposed a ban on Internet sales of any tobacco products.

(Response) As explained elsewhere, under this rule, retailers may not sell covered tobacco products (through any medium, including the Internet) to individuals under 18 years of age.
FDA will continue to actively enforce the minimum age restriction for Internet sales.
FDA 320 will consider these comments in the future and continue to assess whether additional access restrictions would be appropriate

 

[JuicyLucy]

Page 319

(Comment 226) Several comments discussed Internet sales of tobacco products.
Some comments favored a ban on Internet sales for all tobacco products, some supported a ban on only certain tobacco products, and others opposed a ban on Internet sales of any tobacco products.

(Response) As explained elsewhere, under this rule, retailers may not sell covered tobacco products (through any medium, including the Internet) to individuals under 18 years of age.
FDA will continue to actively enforce the minimum age restriction for Internet sales.
FDA 320 will consider these comments in the future and continue to assess whether additional access restrictions would be appropriate

I do think the owner is in need of guidance for sure: just got an email response and he sounds more depressed and lost than anything

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

Why should we support them if they aren't willing to stay in the fight and support vaping??

 

[Mythical_OD]

Not everyone wants to be a martyr for the fucking cause. Hes just a guy who wants to run his business and do what he likes to do, not everybody is driven by political motives.

 

[roxynoodle]

Worst case scenario, couldn't vendors just ask to see a photo of an ID that matches the name on the credit card?

 

[JuicyLucy]

Worst case scenario, couldn't vendors just ask to see a photo of an ID that matches the name on the credit card?

No doubt - you can buy wine online, which is way worse in the hands of kids than vaping

 

[5150sick]

If you go to a big tobacco website you can not get on the site until the 3rd party verification system sees that you are over 18.
I have a feeling that these 3rd party verification services will be getting A LOT more business that they SHOULD HAVE HAD all along.

 

[roxynoodle]

If you go to a big tobacco website you can not get on the site until the 3rd party verification system sees that you are over 18.
I have a feeling that these 3rd party verification services will be getting A LOT more business that they SHOULD HAVE HAD all along.

Well, that would solve it.

 

[Ogvapez]

Well, that would solve it.

That's what I thought don't we verify when we place orders online with CC to purchase items. Must not all websites require age verification tho.

 

[Ogvapez]

I wish STS the best and everyone's in these times. It just sucks to hear good people hitting hard times with what's going on. Hopefully STS can tuff it out and find a way. #support

 

[JuicyLucy]

I bought 8 replacement glass plus another Boreas there tonight. My two Merlins are preordered there too.

Plus two other orders in the past month...

No wonder I'm broke

 

[BigNasty]

I'd swear of some of these places just asked advocates about this sort of shit then misinformation wouldn't get spread throughout the internet like this.

Don't believe me, fine message Greg Conley, lawyer, ex Casaa board member and President of the American Vaping Association and ask him yourself if the FDA's deeming regulations bans the sale of Eliquid & Vaporizers on the internet yourself:

https://www.facebook.com/grconley

The truth is you can get cigars, pipe tobacco, snus, and chewing tobacco on the internet right now.
The only thing that is banned via the internet is cigarettes.
Just cigarettes nothing else.

Forgot all sorts of other shit also.

But even cigs are not actually banned from purchase online... As long as certain treaties are in fact upheld certain countries cannot have the post fucked with via customs into the US postal service.

 

[mikeyboy74]

I don't know what's to prevent the FDA from holding a meeting on, hopefully, the 12th of Never, and deciding vaping products, cigars, and others will join analogs in face to face sales only.

Also, given US regs and the TPD, how will the hardware manufacturers continue to provide what they already sell in the US? Will popular products, like Kanger sub tanks and tfv4's and their coils continue to be produced for vendors who we purchase from? Not saying they won't, but everyone involved is being forced to reassess and realign.

If some would prefer to move on to something less controversial, or are worried about providing for their families, I completely get that. Just hope it doesn't happen too much or too fast.

 

[Mattp169]

i say its time to fight fire with fire

lets get the environmentalists involved!

e-cigs are the GREEN alternative
millions of cartons, packs and plastic wrappers will not get put in the land fills, saving the land for the children.
billions of filters will not reach land fills
e- cigs are rechargeable
e cigs do not put out the harmful greenhouse gases cigarettes do

someone call Al gore he will be on our side. he will fight the evil BT and FDA for us.

I mean since vaping is a very internet oriented thing.....and he did invent the internet.....he will love to support our cause.

someone tell CASSA call Al Gore

 

[ej1024]

While we fight this shit,
START HOARDING.. Cuz thesE
FUCKERS
DOUCHEBAGS
ASSHOLES
ain't easy to beat!!
SAD SAD SAD


VAPE ON

 

[mikeyboy74]

While we fight this shit,
START HOARDING.. Cuz thesE
FUCKERS
DOUCHEBAGS
ASSHOLES
ain't easy to beat!!
SAD SAD SAD


VAPE ON

What is the shelf life of already made e-liquid, if we get a bunch from one of our preferred vendors?

 

[ej1024]

What is the shelf life of already made e-liquid, if we get a bunch from one of our preferred vendors?

A year I guess

 

[Deucesjack]

i say its time to fight fire with fire

lets get the environmentalists involved!

e-cigs are the GREEN alternative
millions of cartons, packs and plastic wrappers will not get put in the land fills, saving the land for the children.
billions of filters will not reach land fills
e- cigs are rechargeable
e cigs do not put out the harmful greenhouse gases cigarettes do

someone call Al gore he will be on our side. he will fight the evil BT and FDA for us.

I mean since vaping is a very internet oriented thing.....and he did invent the internet.....he will love to support our cause.

someone tell CASSA call Al Gore

Lmfao! Al Gore the guy who invented the internet? He's as useless as tits on a Bull. He's a Democrat and he never met a tax he didn't like. Al Gore is a government hack that could care less about Vapers. When are you people going to open your eyes? This is a Democratic party issue. The Democrats are the ones pushing it. I know this may hurt but its true. All this FDA BS has overwhelming Democratic support. You can't defeat the enemy if you refuse to identify it.

 

[Zamazam]

The truth is you can get cigars, pipe tobacco, snus, and chewing tobacco on the internet right now.
The only thing that is banned via the internet is cigarettes.
Just cigarettes nothing else.

I can buy cigs's on the net no problem.

 

[Doots]

Lmfao! Al Gore the guy who invented the internet? He's as useless as tits on a Bull. He's a Democrat and he never met a tax he didn't like. Al Gore is a government hack that could care less about Vapers. When are you people going to open your eyes? This is a Democratic party issue. The Democrats are the ones pushing it. I know this may hurt but its true. All this FDA BS has overwhelming Democratic support. You can't defeat the enemy if you refuse to identify it.

very true!

 

[Deucesjack]

very true!

All these vapers talk all their shit about fighting for their right to vape yet at the same time they refuse to place the blame where it belongs. So funny how they all walk in lock step even when it conflicts with their basic rights as a human being. Scary and sad at the same time.

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[Bobx]

Al gore he will be on our side.

I mean since vaping is a very internet oriented thing.....and he did invent the internet....

Now here is the joke of the day. Thanks for the laugh!

 

[ej1024]

I thought AL GORE is dead?!


VAPE ON

 

[Mattp169]

Now here is the joke of the day. Thanks for the laugh!

see you get it. I was being sarcastic and trying to get you guys to laugh. I was not being serious

my 2 cents for what its worth
i do not think vaping gear will disappear. The point of these regs is simple - money. States and the Federal govt are losing tax revenue with the increase in vaping leading to the decrease in cig sales. SO they need to get vape stuff deemed as under FDA rule to tax it easier and make up for the loss. i would not be surprised if PM and others already have the paper work started on their cig alikes and are exploring how to get mods and juice lines bought and passed by the FDA so they can monopolize the market. This is all aboujt making more tax revenue and helping constituents, ie BT

They are not trying to get rid of vaping. just tax and control it so the right people make money of it not us average normal people

 

[ej1024]

Hoard away......


VAPE ON

 

[70414]

Future episodes of Hoarders will feature vapers.

 

[5150sick]

I can buy cigs's on the net no problem.

getting something online and it not being allowed to be sold online are two entirely different things.

but if you know a company that's.non native American selling cigarettes from and taxed on American soil link me to it.

 

[saytar]

Roll the Time Machine (tks H.G. Wells) back to the days of the first Reg Mods. I see a bright future for Evolve (and Chinese if they grasp it) in the "Electronics Hobby Kits".......information is not totally blocked yet. These American companies need to start breaking down components and coming up with NON tobacco items (Regulated room aeromamizing dispensers, which could use coils (ceramic or otherwise) for sale containing the basic configuration and software REPROGRAMABLE...leaving spare holes in circuit boards for "upgrades and different models" or create new regulated LED high-power handheld lights with same setup......maybe with 510 Screw on fragrance tanks and LED assemblies.................Make sure they have a 510 connector or way to "upgrade" to a larger fragrance tank or assembly.....

The let good old Yankee ingenuity and a few (few hell..thousands) instructions on numerous blogs as to how to "improve the performance of your item...............in other words a Swiss Knife flashlight and room deodorizer's ............................................Hacking is an America tradition!

What's got me more deeply concerned is the availability of liquid nicotine the one component not ...well.....economically fudgeable............the flavors are used in cooking, soft drinks, soaps, lotions and other items, if they try and go after those the FDA will be buried in Multi-Billion dollar lawsuits coming at them from OTHER entitled corporations (that also pay off politicians) like a swarm of angry Bumble Bees...

For those that know how to mix and those able and willing to learn to do so the e-juice's are reproducible for the most part.....

Maybe the Chinese will just start dumping un-assembled boards and assemblies on the American Market and let that "Yankee Ingenuity" take its course.

IN THE MEAN TIME.............I'M BUYING ALL THE GEAR I CAN AFFORD AND I'M GOING NEED TO LAST THE NEXT 15-20 YRS......

EDIT: Make the items capable of weaponization and the Miltary Industrial Complex will make it for us.....................and sell it all over the world to anybody....

 

[ej1024]

Roll the Time Machine (tks H.G. Wells) back to the days of the first Reg Mods. I see a bright future for Evolve (and Chinese if they grasp it) in the "Electronics Hobby Kits".......information is not totally blocked yet. These American companies need to start breaking down components and coming up with NON tobacco items (Regulated room aeromamizing dispensers, which could use coils (ceramic or otherwise) for sale containing the basic configuration and software REPROGRAMABLE...leaving spare holes in circuit boards for "upgrades and different models" or create new regulated LED high-power handheld lights with same setup......maybe with 510 Screw on fragrance tanks and LED assemblies.................Make sure they have a 510 connector or way to "upgrade" to a larger fragrance tank or assembly.....

The let good old Yankee ingenuity and a few (few hell..thousands) instructions on numerous blogs as to how to "improve the performance of your item...............in other words a Swiss Knife flashlight and room deodorizer's ............................................Hacking is an America tradition!

What's got me more deeply concerned is the availability of liquid nicotine the one component not ...well.....economically fudgeable............the flavors are used in cooking, soft drinks, soaps, lotions and other items, if they try and go after those the FDA will be buried in Multi-Billion dollar lawsuits coming at them from OTHER entitled corporations (that also pay off politicians) like a swarm of angry Bumble Bees...

For those that know how to mix and those able and willing to learn to do so the e-juice's are reproducible for the most part.....

Maybe the Chinese will just start dumping un-assembled boards and assemblies on the American Market and let that "Yankee Ingenuity" take its course.

IN THE MEAN TIME.............I'M BUYING ALL THE GEAR I CAN AFFORD AND I'M GOING NEED TO LAST THE NEXT 15-20 YRS......

EDIT: Make the items capable of weaponization and the Miltary Industrial Complex will make it for us.....................and sell it all over the world to anybody....

Oh
Don't worry bro
Vendors, manufacturers,associations are suing the FDA.. It's obviously BS what they doing
PARTS AND ACCESSORIES
for NICOTINE CONSUMPTION???
like what you said
NICOTINE IS USE DAILY by usa residents soda,food,etc....
I will wait and watch and support the cause
In the mean time
HOARDAWAY!

 

[outwest]

Oh
Don't worry bro
Vendors, manufacturers,associations are suing the FDA.. It's obviously BS what they doing
PARTS AND ACCESSORIES
for NICOTINE CONSUMPTION???
like what you said
NICOTINE IS USE DAILY by usa residents soda,food,etc....
I will wait and watch and support the cause
In the mean time
HOARDAWAY!

Classifying the vaping hardware as a nicotine product is like saying all pipe cleaners are tobacco products, even though many use 'em for arts and crafts, or all matches are tobacco products.

 

[ej1024]

WORD


VAPE ON

 

[haybill]

I totally sympathise with what's going down over there, seems like the FDA is really out to screw up vaping Stateside. Really sorry to hear it.

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[saytar]

Classifying the vaping hardware as a nicotine product is like saying all pipe cleaners are tobacco products, even though many use 'em for arts and crafts, or all matches are tobacco products.

In their silly new world, black is the new white world they can be nothing but a nicotine delivery device component.............. even though most of the rest of the county knows their..

 

[ej1024]

FDA said NICOTINE is non addictive
FDA said SUGAR is safe
Fuck dat agency
FDA


VAPE ON

 

[Ogvapez]

FDA said NICOTINE is non addictive
FDA said SUGAR is safe
Fuck dat agency
FDA


VAPE ON

Sounds to me FDA is a crock of shit!!

 

[Deucesjack]

see you get it. I was being sarcastic and trying to get you guys to laugh. I was not being serious

my 2 cents for what its worth
i do not think vaping gear will disappear. The point of these regs is simple - money. States and the Federal govt are losing tax revenue with the increase in vaping leading to the decrease in cig sales. SO they need to get vape stuff deemed as under FDA rule to tax it easier and make up for the loss. i would not be surprised if PM and others already have the paper work started on their cig alikes and are exploring how to get mods and juice lines bought and passed by the FDA so they can monopolize the market. This is all aboujt making more tax revenue and helping constituents, ie BT

They are not trying to get rid of vaping. just tax and control it so the right people make money of it not us average normal people

Could not disagree more. They are trying to get rid of vaping as we know it. What they're trying to do is position big tobacco in the ultimate drivers seat by putting hard working people out of business. The FDA is just their weapon of choice. That is exactly what the Democrats are doing. Big business rules fuck the little guy. That's their mantra.

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[Ogvapez]

Could not disagree more. They are trying to get rid of vaping as we know it. What they're trying to do is position big tobacco in the ultimate drivers seat by putting hard working people out of business. The FDA is just their weapon of choice. That is exactly what the Democrats are doing. Big business rules fuck the little guy. That's their mantra.

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Couldn't of said it better Bro spot on...

 

[Deucesjack]

Couldn't of said it better Bro spot on...

Thx bro. I don't know when these vapers are going to give up on their broken political beliefs. How much closer to home does this have to hit for them to open their eyes? Now this whole community knows what it feels like to be a gun owner. I'm sick of all these fellow vapers running around worried about cartoon labels and putting flappy bird on a mod. Worried about the negative attention it attracts. I don't give a shit about any of that. The only smart ones are the ones that filed suit against the FDA. You can't win this fight until you change the rules of engagement. You can't win fighting by their rules. All these advocacy people just don't get it. Wtf has CASAA and all those other groups done? They've been fighting this battle for years and have gotten their ass handed to them every time. You want to win the fight start by changing the rules and changing the people you vote for. Vote for candidates that are for less government innvolvment in YOUR LIFE.

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[JERUS]

Could not disagree more. They are trying to get rid of vaping as we know it. What they're trying to do is position big tobacco in the ultimate drivers seat by putting hard working people out of business. The FDA is just their weapon of choice. That is exactly what the Democrats are doing. Big business rules fuck the little guy. That's their mantra.

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Yup, though lets be honest it's a prevalent issue in politics period not just one party. It's simply politicians catering to the money rather than doing their job.

 

[roxynoodle]

Could not disagree more. They are trying to get rid of vaping as we know it. What they're trying to do is position big tobacco in the ultimate drivers seat by putting hard working people out of business. The FDA is just their weapon of choice. That is exactly what the Democrats are doing. Big business rules fuck the little guy. That's their mantra.

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I suspect BP as well. I'm expecting them to market some cigalikes as well. The application process is really set up for them.

 

[Deucesjack]

Yup, though lets be honest it's a prevalent issue in politics period not just one party. It's simply politicians catering to the money rather than doing their job.

Totally not true. Check out the people behind it. One Republican all the rest are Democrats. I posted a list in one of the threads possibly this one. I got it from Grimm Greens page. You see this is the problem. Every Democrat or Democrat sympathizer has the same line, "It's both parties". That's simply not true. How can you defeat an enemy if you refuse to define it?

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[Droogbc]

Which is bizarre to me, because I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume there are a large number of vapers who have traditionally thought of themselves as die hard democrats. Way to completely fuck your constituents.