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Yes. For the most part it's what I expected.
Who did you you have in mind for those positions?
You do realize. The very fact of your response on this forum proves my point and your hypocrisy on this subject. What's the difference between posting here or there. OK so you wouldn't comment on FB or T. But VU. Sure. That different??Nope don't tweet or fb. And no I would not even if i tweeted. Whining butt hurt
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Well, at least here you aren't limited to 140 characters, which does make it considerably easier to convey complex thoughts and ideas. Just sayin'
Hey it probably was Russia.... Using info brought to them by the HERO of the left Snowden.
I'm also 100 % sure the GOP was also hacked...... there just wasn't anything there to release..... maybe the Repubes were just smarter than the dems. And kept the dirt talk OFF-LINE. Where it belongs.
We have know since the days of the telegraph.... you don't discuss sensitive or criminal stuff over unsecured electronic means. Governments and spys have been listening since the first wire was strung.
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I'm also 100 % sure the GOP was also hacked...... there just wasn't anything there to release..... maybe the Repubes were just smarter than the dems. And kept the dirt talk OFF-LINE. Where it belongs.
We have know since the days of the telegraph.... you don't discuss sensitive or criminal stuff over unsecured electronic means. Governments and spys have been listening since the first wire was strung.
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How can that be? The liberal elite claim they're the smartest people in all of known space.
I do agree.... limits on speach, often does lead to mountains being made of mole hills.
A phone call can just be a phone call. It's only an international incident... AFTER a Politician makes it one.
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How can that be? The liberal elite claim they're the smartest people in all of known space.
The ELITE yes. But not just the libs.....
Obviously they are using common core to calculate IQ.
How else could DONALD TRUMP out SMART all of them?
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The Russians backed the hack... but not to help Trump... Both Candidates were equal targets.
Clinton we get that part. Too easy.
The Trump part may be yet to come. Hint: Hacker = Plumber
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Clinton we get that part. Too easy.
The Trump part may be yet to come. Hint: Hacker = Plumber
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The Iraq WMD's was not the first government agency lie to get the US into a war. There have been plenty of others. I won't be believeing anything from the CIA, NSA or any "Congressman" without proof. The whole "intelligence agency says" this or that does not convince me of anything anymore. Don't tell me the government has proof, show me the proof. And not through some annonimous leaker.
The government has not supplied one shred of evidence that Russia hacked anything. Just saying that they have proof is not enough. I won't be falling for that again.
The government has not supplied one shred of evidence that Russia hacked anything. Just saying that they have proof is not enough. I won't be falling for that again.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-intelligence-community-232463
What I fail to understand if the intelligence community is deeply adverse to the politicization of intelligence, why are we reading about how Russia hacked the DNC to help Trump win the election in the first place? Isn't this the very definition of the politicization of intelligence?
Apparently they are not at all concerned about the previous administration doing so....
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Iraq having WMD wasn't info created to give JR reason to invade IRAQ.... that was an accepted FACT held by EVERY inteligence agency on the PLANET.... at least as far back as the Iran/Iraq war where we backed Sadam.
If i hear it from the CIA NSA FBI ect. Direct then I might believe. But an interpretation by a talking head or politician. That I never trust....
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Do your homework. The information was false, the CIA knew it was false. I'm not wasting my time looking it all up for you.
Not disputing the lie just the origin and purpose of the lie.... FWIW, the ELITES know the truth and Bush JR didn't lie. It's just more convenient that we believe so.
Take the Russian DNC hack crap. It's only a big deal because this time it the dems getting burned. These are the same people that have spent 70+years of US history extolling the virtues and defending the actions of those same Evil Russians and the Nazis before that.
I did my homework.. The Party of Deflection (democrats) is at it again and everybody is falling for it.
Funny the double standard. Trump isn't 'presidential' for his tweets and the libs go apeshit. Where was all their upset over slick willy or is it more 'presidential' to be wasting time blowing your load all over your interns? Pretty sad when the question is asked 'so where is our president' and the answer was more than likely accurate - 'idk, probably jerking off somewhere'. Apparently it's only news if it adds to the butthurt of the left. lmao. Guess they'll need something more effective than preparation H.
How do you know JR didn't lie? His daddy was the head of the CIA at one time. Who better to get advice from about trusting everything the CIA says than your own dad? Under Bush SR we watched the lie about babies being thrown from incubators in Kuwait. Both Bush's are the elite. Always have been.
There is a huge difference, so far, between Bush JR and Trump. Bush pushed the narrative of the intelligence agencies. Trump says he doesn't believe it.
Even now, the R elites are pushing the narrative that Russia did the hacking, even without a shred of proof. The only thing they contest is that it had an affect on the election.
Yes the WMD stuff was false BUT if every Intel agency on the planet except Sadams BELIEVES it is true and you repeat and act on this false info....
THAT IS NOT A LIE................ that's a mistake.
Blaming a Russian hack job for an election loss by a Mobster...
. IS
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Yes the WMD stuff was false BUT if every Intel agency on the planet except Sadams BELIEVES it is true and you repeat and act on this false info....
THAT IS NOT A LIE................ that's a mistake.
Blaming a Russian hack job for an election loss by a Mobster...
. IS
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Every Intel agency on the planet did not BELIEVE the story. They made it. They knew it was false when they said it.
Bush needed an excuse to invade Iraq and he asked the CIA to give him one, so they did. That's not a mistake, it's a lie.
Except for the little fact that the CIA assessment used predates, his being in office. Even predate his predicessor. You could of course be refering to Daddy Bush. But then he was a politically appointment to CIA, NOT an opperative. He believe the bad data also.. maybe he knew it was bad maybe not. AND was not just from OUR agencies. Beside the CIA SOLD Sadam some of the WMDs.. another reason why we knew he had some. Hell, BOTH ISIS and Syria have even been using some of those WMD that didn't exist. But you have to believe that every intel agency in the would was cooperating to perpetuate this lie.
Now that is a fantasy. They can't even cooperate with counterparts within their own governments. They are all going to get together to Help the Bushes lie.... The bushes are a powerful family. But if they were this powerful JEB would be the PE.
With failing to find any fraud on the Republican side in recount efforts in 5 States, its Looking pretty obvious where a lot of people are pinning their hopes. The CIA report which will allege Russian hacking of polls to guarantee a Trump victory will probably be published somewhere around the 17th in a last ditch effort to add fuel to the Elites attempt to deny the victory to Trump.
I have no doubt the faithless will deny Trump 270 and kick the decision on our next president to congress.
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So as usual If the media say it about the Republicans it true..... if the media says negative things about the left........ then it's fake news.
Lies wrapped in truth are still lies. We just have to parse out what is true and lie......
Most of us even those that are republican didn't like Bush.... our prejudice Makes us more likely to believe stuff.
Now we just have to use logic not prejudice to decipher the truth from the lies. Of the WMD narrative.
Fwiw.. the military did find WMD in Iraq.... but we couldn't admit it because of the Made in USA labels on them. Maybe Daddy or Bill can explain that for us maybe not.
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I'm done. Most of your assertions are not correct. I'd have to do the searching for you to correct them and I don't have the desire to do it.
For some reason, you want to defend Bush. I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat. I don't tow a party line. Bush was and is one of the elite. He was no good.
To be expected.. this is a story created for NEVER TRUMP elites and sheep to feed on.........
I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that while Russia did the leg work....... the DNC pushed the reset button. You know revenge for Watergate and Bills impeachment.
Y 'all can't tell me you don't see this whole hacking thing as the plot of a TV show. Too thin for a book or movie... but 30 to 60 minute episode sure.
By the way The GOP is protesting too much as to if they got hacked.... PROOF THEY DID? That data will be used over the next 4 to 8 years. They are more valuable to both the Russians AND their allies the DNC for later release. Save Obama care as example.. next election cycle for sure.
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Not defending Bush.... arguing against perpetuating false narratives.
Fact Is I agree with you I think about the Bushes. I voted 3rd party in all 3(4) of those elections. I almost voted against Ronny the 2nd time because of Daddy.
I just have issues with the WMD part. That doesn't mean there were not plenty of other reasons and justifications to do Iraq. I wasn't for doing Iraq... Afghanistan I can justify.
But Iraq was purely about finishing the job Daddy started in GW1. But that was Daddies job to do... maybe Bills.... BUT not a job George had any right to do. Especially if you are not going to fight to WIN.
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Vin has better writers. That CIA was eliminated during the first Clinton term.
And there are NO CIA or other agency results...... there is a list of possibilities. The current narrative being one of them. Maybe even at the top of the list.
Imo.. the DNC hack smells more like Isreal than Russia. ...... All the the others Russia suspected actual Government intrusions of recent history. . Have no direct evidencing links to Russia. They are the most likely suspect though... but in the case of Hilary we apparently do have links to Russia. .... Why the change of tactics/methods?
It might be a Russian it's not Russia. Naw this is somebody else with a grudge against both Obama and Clinton. When they interfered with that countries elections......
See I just don't buy the whole Russia backing Trump angle........ Hilary would be better for them........ Almost as good as Obama has been. Trump unless he really is a puppet. Is too much of a wild card.
Trump does benefit Bibi, though....
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The question is are they going to cut their losses and abandon this hastily laid and poorly conceived plan to topple a President Elect before he takes office?
We the People have to let them know this will not stand.
Russia does have a grudge against Sorros after he crashed their economy for profit. Obama & Hillary have been putting pressure on Putin on Sorros' behalf to pressure him into dropping the International Arrest warrant against him. They are willing to risk a war for this end. Putin would be entirely justified if they had a hand in it. I would think they would have left a trail of breadcrumbs blaming someone else if they were responsible though.
You are right though. The one that has the most to gain hands down is Israel. They could easily have the finesse to leave a trail of breadcrumbs Leading straight to Russia's door in order to achieve their long term strategic goals against the Iran deal and have the USA & Russia team up to wipe out ISIS.
Wiki leaks was more likely a disgruntled insider than anything IMO.
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Disenfranchising so many voters will lead to violence. Right now the elites are evaluating the risk. This won't be just a constitutional crisis if they get their way, it could mean a violent and polarized America that has not been seen since the Civil War. The faithless electors better have plan to move to a foreign country for real. They will have destroyed their lives here in the U.S.
I pretty much think it was americans within the intelligence community that wanted to prevent a war with russia...and wanted to save the republic from the globalists.
I think it was someone within the DNC.
yeah apparently a high level British MP said he met the leaker and they were in the DNC....I'm going with Bill.
Interesting. All this time I thought they would install Hillary, but it never occurred to me they would attempt to invalidate the results of the Election to retain Obama in office until a new election could be held. Wonder if they will try to eliminate the term limits next.
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An investigation will probably never expose the Truth as the Supplier of the Emails to Wikileaks is supposedly an NSA Operative pissed that CIA agents were exposed and had to flee for their lives, some of which were not successful, due to Hillary's mishandling of classified material in the State Department when she was Secretary of State.
Word is the DNC was never hacked at all and the emails were acquired by accessing the NSA Servers secret system which houses copies of every email sent anywhere. No one will ever admit this system exists, and therefore any investigation will fail to uncover this.
I think the leaker was that dead staffer guy....... now the route between him and Wiki leaks is where things get murky..... Russia for me is too easy. That 17 US Intel agencies agree. Is also Strange and out of character. These are people who don't agree on the events of Dec 7 1941.
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That's very plausible. I thought it was pretty well accepted that the NSA collects everything. The whole metadata debate that Snowden revealed, Clapper admiting he lied to Congress. And then there was the release of the recorded phone calls of the Boston bombers, well after the fact, when no agency had them under investigation. Nobody asked where those came from.
I have a huge man crush on the Judge. I'd have his baby but sadly neither one of us swings that way. LOL.
LOL. The judge has a way about him.
It is well accepted as true the database exists, but will never be officially confirmed. It would certainly never be admitted to be misused in spying domestically, much less by a rouge operative spying on the DNC to leak secret emails to Wikileaks to undermine the legitimacy of HRC prior to the Election.
The NSA would certainly sooner risk a war with Russia, and a civil war in the USA, than to come clean and confirm that little tid bit of information to a Congressional Investigative Committee.
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