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Jefferson did not have the media controlling the masses.
People were mostly actually independent thinkers back then.

and I am not just speaking about the nooze media either.

LOL. Bullshit.

Bread and circuses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses

"Bread and circuses" (or bread and games; from Latin: panem et circenses) is metonymic for a superficial means of appeasement. In the case of politics, the phrase is used to describe the generation of public approval, not through exemplary or excellent public service or public policy, but through diversion; distraction; or the mere satisfaction of the immediate, shallow requirements of a populace,[1] as an offered "palliative". Its originator, Juvenal, used the phrase to decry the selfishness of common people and their neglect of wider concerns.[2][3][4] The phrase also implies the erosion or ignorance of civic duty amongst the concerns of the commoner.

As usual, you are full of shit. Todays media is just promoting todays version of bread and circuses.
 
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bullshit?
Then how does a TV star become president?
Becuase of his vast expoerience in government?
Or governor or congressperson?
 

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LOL. Bullshit.

Bread and circuses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses

"Bread and circuses" (or bread and games; from Latin: panem et circenses) is metonymic for a superficial means of appeasement. In the case of politics, the phrase is used to describe the generation of public approval, not through exemplary or excellent public service or public policy, but through diversion; distraction; or the mere satisfaction of the immediate, shallow requirements of a populace,[1] as an offered "palliative". Its originator, Juvenal, used the phrase to decry the selfishness of common people and their neglect of wider concerns.[2][3][4] The phrase also implies the erosion or ignorance of civic duty amongst the concerns of the commoner.

As usual, you are full of shit. Todays media is just promoting todays version of bread and circuses.
Full of shit you say...you must be talking to Bobby....why do you even bother with that pussyhated simpelton....it's like listening to MSNBC ....with even less testosterne.
 
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Finally.... all the proof CNN and the DNC need.....between this and the Russian dressing on Trumps salad we have an open and shut case.
 
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Why do those who whine the most about 'False News' post the keep posting it to supposedly support their views?
 

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Full of shit you say...you must be talking to Bobby....why do you even bother with that pussyhated simpelton....it's like listening to MSNBC ....with even less testosterne.

I had a foal a couple weeks ago that was too stupid to eat after it was born. It tried and tried but could not find the teat. I thought it would starve to death and had about made up my mind to name it the "The Cromwell" and bury it. True story.

The vet came out every two hours and we stuck a tube down it's throat to feed it, just trying to keep it alive for awhile to see if it would finally learn and find a teat. I spent two days in the barn holding the colt where it's nose was always near the teat. Little by little, the foal figured out where the milk was and finally learned how to eat. I had to come up with a new name.

I'm not a bleeding heart liberal, if the foal had died it would have been natural. But, I do like to give them every opportunity within reason.

Like the foal, I have my doubts that Bobby will ever figure it out but I'll tube feed him and point his nose in the right direction so he at least has a fighting chance. So far, the foal has proven to be smarter though. If he can't figure things out, well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,nature has it's own way of dealing with that. :)
 

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The Cromwell is just fine and hopes you get it figured out someday.

I know because he just told me so :)
 

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You've become quite the defeatist.

No, nothing is predetermined. History is full of examples of oppressive ever expanding governments/leaders that have risen and fallen. From third worlders to Empire. It's a simple cycle. The US(and western alliances, effectively a rather large empire) is just the latest example.

This time is no different than any other.

Thomas Jefferson understood the cycle quite well;

"the people can not be all, & always, well informed. the part which is wrong [. . .] will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure."

The people "in smoke filled rooms" exist, that's true. But they ain't fucking gods. They're just men. They are not all knowing. Like the men in smoked filled rooms before them, they will fall. It's just takes a really long time for the cycle to complete. Generations. It has to start some time and it looks to me like it's time for my generation to get the end of this cycle going. It's already started but it's just beginning.

I disagree. I've become nothing that I haven't already been and that is an educated and cynical realist.
While those guys in smoke filed rooms are not "Gods" their wealth makes them as Gods.
True, they aren't all knowing but it isn't necessarily what they know that counts but who they know
and who can be bought...Most everybody has a price.
You may think leaders rise and fall according to the wiles of the people they govern
but my reading of history and searching in between the lines as well as following the money and the eventual manifestation of hidden agendas betrays that notion and points to those guys in the smoke filled rooms
changing or masquerading the way they govern so as to appease (or agitate depending on what needs doing) the peons.
Wars are fought to fool citizens and stimulate economies but the true rulers remain the same as do their rules.

Here you, PV, and several others bemoan that Trump seems to be a hypocrite
and/or has betrayed us, sold out, or been blackmailed.
I only bemoan that Trump has once again confirmed my assertion that all politics is bullshit
and all political outcomes prearranged regardless of who the figurehead is or the party represented.

You quote an often quoted Jefferson statement, one of my favorite mouthpieces, boy could he spin and inspire!
But it's out of context if you don't quote the whole thing and what he was referencing "Shay's Rebellion".
Jefferson went on to say
"The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them."
Now if need be I could show you that old Tom was totally full of shit even though he was quite inspiring...

"All men are created equal"...Indeed, we are all the product of our parents having sex.
But if you happened to be a slave at Monticello you certainly weren't treated as an equal.
He was a strict Constitutionalist who knowingly violated the U.S. Constitution for a pretty good land deal.

He was a fiscal conservative who was so reckless with his own money he was forced to sell his private library – one of the finest and most comprehensive in the new world.

While claiming to cherish and respect Native Americans, he fathered policies that all but ensured their systematic annihilation.

He gave us the words “all men are created equal” yet in the latter part of his life consistently and unceasingly supported, expanded, and defended a system where one man was lawfully able to own another.

Jefferson was a self-absorbed aristocrat who had one set of principles for himself and another for everybody else. Beyond the glaring contradiction between his “all men are created equal” pronouncement and his racist views on African-American slaves, he also lectured others about the need for frugality and the avoidance of debt while he lived a life of personal extravagance and was constantly in arrears to creditors.

In 1781, when he had a chance to put his own blood where his mouth was, when a Loyalist force led by the infamous traitor Benedict Arnold advanced on Richmond, Virginia, then-Gov. Jefferson fled for his life on the fastest horse he could find.

Jefferson hopped on the horse and fled again when a British cavalry force under Lt. Col. Banastre Tarleton approached Charlottesville and Monticello. Gov. Jefferson abandoned his neighbors in Charlottesville and left his slaves behind at Monticello to deal with the notoriously brutal Tarleton.

I could go on about Jefferson but this isn't a history lesson, rather it's an objection to your using
a quote by a known hypocrite and actual embarrassment to any American ethics student to support
your theory that war and rebellion actually accomplish anything but get the pawns who fight said wars killed
in order to enrich or protect the wealth of the wealthy.
You might as well say, "Make America Great Again." But don't forget to ask how and who will be great
'cause at this rate it sure doesn't look like you and I will be great again
and it certainly seems that Trump is just as full of shit as old Tom Jefferson was.

You're right about one thing, this time is no different from before..
All empires from Babylon to Rome to Napoleon have risen from smoke filled rooms and have fallen
from the same with a little theatrics to convince the peons.
All third world dictatorships too.
Castro was placed in power by the CIA, the decision was made in a smoke filed room
because the US wanted to annex Cuba as a commonwealth and keep the mafia from using Cuban banks as money laundries.
Chavez was allowed to "be elected" in Venezuela because the US figured the US could
more readily profit from Venezuela's petroleum with a hick like Chavez in power than with Marcos Perez Jimenez.

Why are we in Syria? Freedom? Does Assad pose any danger to US?
No. A decision was made in a smoke filled room regarding petroleum dollars..Same for Iraq
and Lybia.
ETC, ETC.
If you want to wax all patriotic and fool yourself into thinking
any of this bullshit is real, ethical, or sincere, while you wave Ole Glory
I can't blame you...
But,
“You can fool some people some times but you cant fool all the people all the time”- Bob Marley

Lemme know if you want to get to know the REAL George Washington..
(hint: The cherry tree story was invented by one of Washington’s first biographers, an itinerant minister and bookseller named Mason Locke Weems.) It gets better and weirder the deeper you go down the rabbit hole
 

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bullshit?
Then how does a TV star become president?
Becuase of his vast expoerience in government?
Or governor or congressperson?

The short, sweet answer to your question is money and connections.
No experience necessary..heck, you don't even have to be born in the US anymore,
you can even be elected Senator of a state where you've never resided
(it applies equally because radically it's all the same bullshit)
 

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good Stuff Hazy.
Jefferson was not working class either. he was upper crust or the in the loop of the powerful as were pretty much all of our 'founding fathers'.
 

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Like the foal, I have my doubts that Bobby will ever figure it out but I'll tube feed him and point his nose in the right direction so he at least has a fighting chance. So far, the foal has proven to be smarter though. If he can't figure things out, well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,nature has it's own way of dealing with that

See what I mean? You're too much of an idealist to cut through the bullshit.
Put your shades on...By his own admission Cromwell is an alien but you keep trying
to make him human...that's like Kirk trying to make Spock have emotions
 
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See what I mean? You're too much of an idealist to cut through the bullshit.
Put your shades on...By his own admission Cromwell is an alien but you keep trying
to make him human...that's lie Kirk trying to make Spock have emotions
LOL I am pretty alien to the thought process of most Americans.
I think they way I want to think not the way someone else wants me to think.

As to whether a real alien.... Best that Trump does not find out :)

Spock is dead again isn't he?
Well one of them anyway.

In any case I am enjoying all the Trump foolishness.
And just waiting on him to resign.

President Pence is who the Trump fanboys voted for.
 

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Comey testified to congress may 2 that no one asked him to alter or stop any investigation to Russia . But he says on February 14 trump asked him too ?


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I disagree. I've become nothing that I haven't already been and that is an educated and cynical realist.
While those guys in smoke filed rooms are not "Gods" their wealth makes them as Gods.
True, they aren't all knowing but it isn't necessarily what they know that counts but who they know
and who can be bought...Most everybody has a price.
You may think leaders rise and fall according to the wiles of the people they govern
but my reading of history and searching in between the lines as well as following the money and the eventual manifestation of hidden agendas betrays that notion and points to those guys in the smoke filled rooms
changing or masquerading the way they govern so as to appease (or agitate depending on what needs doing) the peons.
Wars are fought to fool citizens and stimulate economies but the true rulers remain the same as do their rules.

Here you, PV, and several others bemoan that Trump seems to be a hypocrite
and/or has betrayed us, sold out, or been blackmailed.
I only bemoan that Trump has once again confirmed my assertion that all politics is bullshit
and all political outcomes prearranged regardless of who the figurehead is or the party represented.

You quote an often quoted Jefferson statement, one of my favorite mouthpieces, boy could he spin and inspire!
But it's out of context if you don't quote the whole thing and what he was referencing "Shay's Rebellion".
Jefferson went on to say
"The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them."
Now if need be I could show you that old Tom was totally full of shit even though he was quite inspiring...

"All men are created equal"...Indeed, we are all the product of our parents having sex.
But if you happened to be a slave at Monticello you certainly weren't treated as an equal.
He was a strict Constitutionalist who knowingly violated the U.S. Constitution for a pretty good land deal.

He was a fiscal conservative who was so reckless with his own money he was forced to sell his private library – one of the finest and most comprehensive in the new world.

While claiming to cherish and respect Native Americans, he fathered policies that all but ensured their systematic annihilation.

He gave us the words “all men are created equal” yet in the latter part of his life consistently and unceasingly supported, expanded, and defended a system where one man was lawfully able to own another.

Jefferson was a self-absorbed aristocrat who had one set of principles for himself and another for everybody else. Beyond the glaring contradiction between his “all men are created equal” pronouncement and his racist views on African-American slaves, he also lectured others about the need for frugality and the avoidance of debt while he lived a life of personal extravagance and was constantly in arrears to creditors.

In 1781, when he had a chance to put his own blood where his mouth was, when a Loyalist force led by the infamous traitor Benedict Arnold advanced on Richmond, Virginia, then-Gov. Jefferson fled for his life on the fastest horse he could find.

Jefferson hopped on the horse and fled again when a British cavalry force under Lt. Col. Banastre Tarleton approached Charlottesville and Monticello. Gov. Jefferson abandoned his neighbors in Charlottesville and left his slaves behind at Monticello to deal with the notoriously brutal Tarleton.

I could go on about Jefferson but this isn't a history lesson, rather it's an objection to your using
a quote by a known hypocrite and actual embarrassment to any American ethics student to support
your theory that war and rebellion actually accomplish anything but get the pawns who fight said wars killed
in order to enrich or protect the wealth of the wealthy.
You might as well say, "Make America Great Again." But don't forget to ask how and who will be great
'cause at this rate it sure doesn't look like you and I will be great again
and it certainly seems that Trump is just as full of shit as old Tom Jefferson was.

You're right about one thing, this time is no different from before..
All empires from Babylon to Rome to Napoleon have risen from smoke filled rooms and have fallen
from the same with a little theatrics to convince the peons.
All third world dictatorships too.
Castro was placed in power by the CIA, the decision was made in a smoke filed room
because the US wanted to annex Cuba as a commonwealth and keep the mafia from using Cuban banks as money laundries.
Chavez was allowed to "be elected" in Venezuela because the US figured the US could
more readily profit from Venezuela's petroleum with a hick like Chavez in power than with Marcos Perez Jimenez.

Why are we in Syria? Freedom? Does Assad pose any danger to US?
No. A decision was made in a smoke filled room regarding petroleum dollars..Same for Iraq
and Lybia.
ETC, ETC.
If you want to wax all patriotic and fool yourself into thinking
any of this bullshit is real, ethical, or sincere, while you wave Ole Glory
I can't blame you...
But,
“You can fool some people some times but you cant fool all the people all the time”- Bob Marley

Lemme know if you want to get to know the REAL George Washington..
(hint: The cherry tree story was invented by one of Washington’s first biographers, an itinerant minister and bookseller named Mason Locke Weems.) It gets better and weirder the deeper you go down the rabbit hole
Wow right out of a revisonist History book...Jefferson inherted his slaves..he didn't buy them...the first act that jefferson did when elected to the state legislature was to introduce a bill that made slavery illegal in Virginia...this was an extremely unpopular act and won him the life long enemies of most of the others in the state legislation, his bill was predictablly soundly defeated...when at last jefferson was sent to represent Virginia on a national level one of his first acts along with another man was to introduce a bill to end slavery in the entire country this time it was very narrowly defeated....What next Haze you gonna try and sell us the old BLM myth that Jefferson fathered a bunch of babbies by slave women..don't even try it's been disproven by a number of genetic scientists..As for "fathering" Indian policies that is nonsense...Jefferson was dead before the Indian Removal Act even occured......also I believe at the time in Virginia it was a requirement that if a slave owner wanted to free a slave he had to put up a considerable amount of money to the state as a bond that the freed slave didn't become a burden to the state and as you say Jefferson was bankrupt spending most of his attention and time on trying to get the republic started, and not as you would imply being reckless..You imply that Montecello was his...that he could just do what he wanted with it...it wasn't... there were something like 20 members of his family living there, who also had a voice in it's mangement and it's expenses.....also as for leaving his slaves to the brutal "Tarleton"..wtf ...the British didn't kill slaves ...they were offered freedom and money for fighting for the king....you are not a realist you are a cynic...which is a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.....neither Time nor myselff were under any illusions that Trump was beyond reproach or immune from corruption we voted for his policies and not the man, we were well aware that if by some miracle Trump lived up to his word it would be the exception not the rule....we are well aware of the history of the central banks their influence, the deep state and the historical nature of the corruption of power you are not tell us anything we don't know already...but like I said before as the skinny dude said...what you do may be of no importance but it is vital important that you do it. What next Haze..you gonna tell us Saul's conversion on the road to Damascus was just Saul pulling a fast one... trying to stuff his own purse. I respect to a point a realist,but a cynic is just an excuse to do nothing at best or a canard to excuse one's own indulgences at worst....besides.... you lying little weasel I know you'd be the first mother to man the barricade, and hoist the colors.
 
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Pulsevape... awesome post.
I'm not a hunna' percent you always know whatcher talkin about,
but I do appreciate your apparent devotion to history facts
and I enjoy the thought provoking nature of your posts.
Thanks man,right back at ya... my wife can attest to the fact that I rarely know wtf I'm talking about..that's what makes this thread so interesting there's alot of off the wall thinkers, and freaky heads.and well read backwood philosiphers throwing shit up one the wall for us all to look at...and kick around.
 

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You quote an often quoted Jefferson statement, one of my favorite mouthpieces, boy could he spin and inspire!
But it's out of context if you don't quote the whole thing and what he was referencing "Shay's Rebellion".
Jefferson went on to say
"The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them."
Now if need be I could show you that old Tom was totally full of shit even though he was quite inspiring...

Reread my post. That line is in the quote.

You can remain defeatist if you like but it serves no purpose. Why bitch if you're just gonna lay down and take it?

Seriously, there's no point in spending time and energy learning anything or discussing it if all you hope to accomplish is venting about it. Better to enjoy life as far as the guys in the smoke filled room will let you. That's how they control you anyway because the vast majority of the population either wants them to take care of them and the rest that don't won't do anything about it. Win win for the smoke filled room.

Smoky guy 1, "Some people are bitching that we rule everything."

Smoky guy 2, "Hahahahahah! Fuck 'em. They won't do anything about it anyway."
 

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Reread my post. That line is in the quote.

You can remain defeatist if you like but it serves no purpose. Why bitch if you're just gonna lay down and take it?

Seriously, there's no point in spending time and energy learning anything or discussing it if all you hope to accomplish is venting about it. Better to enjoy life as far as the guys in the smoke filled room will let you. That's how they control you anyway because the vast majority of the population either wants them to take care of them and the rest that don't won't do anything about it. Win win for the smoke filled room.

Smoky guy 1, "Some people are bitching that we rule everything."

Smoky guy 2, "Hahahahahah! Fuck 'em. They won't do anything about it anyway."
Time is right Haze..if there is a Forlorn Hope you'd probablly be the one leading it..otherwise you wouldn't have worried your pretty little head over all this nonsense..you'd have spent your considerable talents and energies making a fortune plotting with Hilary about how to smuggle in another 30 nine year old girls from Hati to sell into a sex ring....

also I just remembered something Haze....twice , two times Jefferson defended Pro Bono two Black men who were arrested as runaway slaves but were in fact free Black men,both times Jefferson won the cases and the men were freed....that must be a couple of more examples of his reckless expenditures, or perhaps examples of his aristocratic airs.
 
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See what I mean? You're too much of an idealist to cut through the bullshit.
Put your shades on...By his own admission Cromwell is an alien but you keep trying
to make him human...that's like Kirk trying to make Spock have emotions

I'm not trying to make Cromwell anything. All I'm doing is showing him the teat. If he's too stupid to latch on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :deadhorse:

:p
 

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Wow right out of a revisonist History book...
[...]

So? Jefferson talked a lot of crap about equality but he sure as shit didn't set any of his slaves free..
rather he fucked his girls and made more little Buckwheats to serve his aristocratic ass.
While he may have introduced a bill to end the practice he certainly didn't set an example by freeing his own slaves.
By the time old Tom served as president he had backed out of his anti slavery notions
in order to not alienate the south...

Jefferson developed plans for Indian Removal to lands West of the Mississippi, including forced removal such as that carried out by later presidents in the Trail of Tears. Before and during his presidency, Jefferson discussed the need for respect, brotherhood, and trade with the Native Americans, and he initially believed that causing them to adopt European-style agriculture and modes of living would allow them to quickly "progress" from "savagery" to "civilization". Yet beginning in 1803, Jefferson's private letters show increasing support for a policy of removal.

In cases where Native tribes resisted assimilation, Jefferson believed that to avoid war and probable extermination they should be forcefully relocated and sent west. He told his Secretary of War, General Henry Dearborn (who was the primary government official responsible for Indian affairs): "if we are constrained to lift the hatchet against any tribe, we will never lay it down until that tribe is exterminated, or driven beyond the Mississippi.
Jefferson's first promotions of Indian Removal were between 1776 and 1779, when he recommended forcing the Cherokee and Shawnee tribes to be driven out of their ancestral homelands to lands west of the Mississippi River. Indian removal, said Jefferson, was the only way to ensure the survival of Native American peoples. His first such act as president, was to make a deal with the state of Georgia that if Georgia were to release its legal claims to discovery in lands to the west, then the U.S. military would help forcefully expel the Cherokee people from Georgia. At the time, the Cherokee had a treaty with the United States government which guaranteed them the right to their lands, which was violated in Jefferson's deal with Georgia.

You want little Buckwheats? Otay:
I guess you don't know about Sally Hemmings.
Based on documentary, scientific, statistical, and oral history evidence, the Thomas Jefferson Foundation (TJF) Research Committee Report on Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings (January 2000) remains the most comprehensive analysis of this historical topic. Ten years later, TJF and most historians believe that, years after his wife’s death, Thomas Jefferson was the father of the six children of Sally Hemings mentioned in Jefferson's records, including Beverly, Harriet, Madison, and Eston Hemings.
n September 1802, political journalist James T. Callender, a disaffected former ally of Jefferson, wrote in a Richmond newspaper that Jefferson had for many years "kept, as his concubine, one of his own slaves." "Her name is Sally," Callender continued, adding that Jefferson had "several children" by her.

Although there had been rumors of a sexual relationship between Jefferson and an enslaved woman before 1802, Callender's article spread the story widely. It was taken up by Jefferson's Federalist opponents and was published in many newspapers during the remainder of Jefferson's presidency.

DNA test results were released in November 1998, the Thomas Jefferson Foundation formed a research committee consisting of nine members of the foundation staff, including four with Ph.D.s. In January 2000, the committee reported that the weight of all known evidence--from the DNA study, original documents, written and oral historical accounts, and statistical data--indicated a high probability that Thomas Jefferson was the father of Eston Hemings, and that he was likely the father of all six of Sally Hemings's children listed in Monticello records--Harriet (born 1795; died in infancy); Beverly (born 1798); an unnamed daughter (born 1799; died in infancy); Harriet (born 1801); Madison (born 1805); and Eston (born 1808).

Don't accuse me of being a revisionist, it's you and the rest of most of Amerika who have swallowed the
"Americana" narrative. Revisionism is the fairytale that the founding fathers were all ethical
good hearted men.

Jefferson acquired most of the over six hundred slaves he owned during his life through the natural increase of enslaved families. He acquired approximately 175 slaves through inheritance: about 40 from the estate of his father, Peter Jefferson, in 1764, and 135 from his father-in-law, John Wayles, in 1774. Jefferson purchased fewer than twenty slaves in his lifetime, in some cases to unite spouses and in others to satisfy labor needs at Monticello.
Indeed he owned Monticello.
Do you own your home? If so it doesn't matter how many people live on your estate,
you are the head of said estate and therefore responsible for what goes on in it.

Sir Banastre Tarleton was a Brit soldier and politician.
Banastre Tarleton was known for his British military service in the American War of Independence, which started when Tarleton was twenty-one. As a military commander he was the subject of a rebel American campaign which claimed that Tarleton's British Legion had massacred surrendering Continental Army troops at the Battle of Waxhaws, South Carolina, in 1780. In the 19th century those killings became known in American history as the "Waxhaws Massacre".

Dubbed "The Butcher" or "Bloody Ban" by colonials, Tarleton was dashing and ruthless.
In 1781, Tarleton drew an important mission. After Lord Cornwallis and his army invaded Virginia and the turncoat Benedict Arnold led raids around the state, Bloody Ban was ordered to capture or kill the governor of Virginia — Thomas Jefferson.
Jack Jouett learned of the plan and set off to warn Jefferson. Thanks to Jouett, Jefferson and his family managed to escape capture or death. However, Tarleton seized seven members of the Virginia legislature.

Blacks played a part in the War of Independence, on both sides.
While most American slaves chose to fight against the Brits, the Brits forced captured slaves
into conscription, especially toward the end of the Revolution when the Brits were running low on men.

But FREE THEM? LOL.
The slave trade in Great Britain continued, unabated. ... Britons owned slave-worked mines and plantations and invested in countries which were dependent on slave labour until the 1880s when slavery was finally abolished in the Americas. In fact, the role of slavery in Britain's wealth did not diminish.

"What next Haze..you gonna tell us Saul's conversion on the road to Damascus was just Saul pulling a fast one..."
Must I? 'cause I sure can.
Whatever the Jewish Lawyer, Saul of Tarsus' motives for ceasing to persecute Christians were
he sure proceeded to a. Claim to be an original apostle though he never met the man Jesus
and b. As Paul he proceeded to spew a Gospel totally contrary to what Jesus preached, one that to this day
causes much confusion and is rejected by many "Christian" denominations.

Oh yeah,cynic
cyn·ic
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noun
noun: cynic; plural noun: cynics; noun: Cynic; plural noun: Cynics
  1. 1.
    a person who believes that people are motivated purely by self-interest rather than acting for honorable or unselfish reasons.
    a member of a school of ancient Greek philosophers founded by Antisthenes, marked by an ostentatious contempt for ease and pleasure. The movement flourished in the 3rd century BC and revived in the 1st century AD.
re·al·ist
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noun
noun: realist; plural noun: realists
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a person who accepts a situation as it is and is prepared to deal with it accordingly.
"I am a realist, with no time for your world of make believe"

If you wanna believe in fairy tales that is your prerogative but I prefer to dig for truth
even if it means spelunking the wabbit hole.

As far as being a lying little weasel...I'm more of a big bear, lying is against my religion,
I wear my colors on my sleeve, and my barricade goes all the way around my house
but this isn't the USA I grew up in...or maybe it is..But I refuse to fight except for myself and family
and I've been in the trenches for years.
 

HazyShades

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I'm not trying to make Cromwell anything. All I'm doing is showing him the teat. If he's too stupid to latch on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :deadhorse:

:p
I'm gonna cut you some slack 'cause you're not afraid to go poking around in the wabbit hole
but Cromwell ain't the only one here too stupid to catch on... ;)
 

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twice , two times Jefferson defended Pro Bono two Black men who were arrested as runaway slaves but were in fact free Black men,
But he did this while owning hundreds of slaves..the latter kind of nullifies the merit of his alleged pro bono defense of two
supposed freemen.

Throughout his adult life, Thomas Jefferson owned hundreds of African-American slaves, and his position on slavery has been studied and debated by his biographers and by scholars of slavery. Starting in 1767 at age 21, Jefferson inherited 5,000 acres of land and 52 slaves by his father's will. In 1768, Jefferson began construction of his Monticello plantation. Through his marriage to Martha Wayles in 1772 and inheritance from his father-in-law John Wayles, in 1773 Jefferson inherited two plantations and 135 slaves. By 1776, Jefferson was one of the largest planters in Virginia. However, the value of his property (land and slaves) was increasingly offset by his growing debts, which made it very difficult to free his slaves and thereby lose them as assets...
 

HazyShades

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Reread my post. That line is in the quote.
You can remain defeatist if you like but it serves no purpose. Why bitch if you're just gonna lay down and take it?
Seriously, there's no point in spending time and energy learning anything or discussing it if all you hope to accomplish is venting about it.

Nah man, I'm not a defeatist.
de·feat·ist
dəˈfēdəst/
noun
noun: defeatist; plural noun: defeatists
1
.
a person who expects or is excessively ready to accept failure.
Rather I believe in perceiving the truth, that awareness of the truth can indeed help one stay free or regain freedom. An educated consumer is the best customer
and an informed soldier tends to survive the war.

Have I said anything about "laying down and taking it"? No. What I have said
is that I pick my battles very carefully and going out to a college or down town to fight with a bunch
of idiots in black isn't my battle to fight.

Have I spend much time venting? No. While I do occasionally express frustration I do spend much more time exposing bullshit
so that heroes like you and farmboys like pulsevape maybe get the urge to go down the wabbit hole and learn
so you know what is worthy of spilling your blood...most of the bullshit you read or watch is only that, bullshit
regardless of the mouthpiece spewing it.

But I don't toe anybody's line but my own
 

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You want little Buckwheats? Otay:
I guess you don't know about Sally Hemmings.
Based on documentary, scientific, statistical, and oral history evidence, the Thomas Jefferson Foundation (TJF) Research Committee Report on Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings (January 2000) remains the most comprehensive analysis of this historical topic. Ten years later, TJF and most historians believe that, years after his wife’s death, Thomas Jefferson was the father of the six children of Sally Hemings mentioned in Jefferson's records, including Beverly, Harriet, Madison, and Eston Hemings.
n September 1802, political journalist James T. Callender, a disaffected former ally of Jefferson, wrote in a Richmond newspaper that Jefferson had for many years "kept, as his concubine, one of his own slaves." "Her name is Sally," Callender continued, adding that Jefferson had "several children" by her.

Although there had been rumors of a sexual relationship between Jefferson and an enslaved woman before 1802, Callender's article spread the story widely. It was taken up by Jefferson's Federalist opponents and was published in many newspapers during the remainder of Jefferson's presidency.

DNA test results were released in November 1998, the Thomas Jefferson Foundation formed a research committee consisting of nine members of the foundation staff, including four with Ph.D.s. In January 2000, the committee reported that the weight of all known evidence--from the DNA study, original documents, written and oral historical accounts, and statistical data--indicated a high probability that Thomas Jefferson was the father of Eston Hemings, and that he was likely the father of all six of Sally Hemings's children listed in Monticello records--Harriet (born 1795; died in infancy); Beverly (born 1798); an unnamed daughter (born 1799; died in infancy); Harriet (born 1801); Madison (born 1805); and Eston (born 1808).

bullshit
 
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Nah man, I'm not a defeatist.
de·feat·ist
dəˈfēdəst/
noun
noun: defeatist; plural noun: defeatists
1
.
a person who expects or is excessively ready to accept failure.
Rather I believe in perceiving the truth, that awareness of the truth can indeed help one stay free or regain freedom. An educated consumer is the best customer
and an informed soldier tends to survive the war.

Have I said anything about "laying down and taking it"? No. What I have said
is that I pick my battles very carefully and going out to a college or down town to fight with a bunch
of idiots in black isn't my battle to fight.

Have I spend much time venting? No. While I do occasionally express frustration I do spend much more time exposing bullshit
so that heroes like you and farmboys like pulsevape maybe get the urge to go down the wabbit hole and learn
so you know what is worthy of spilling your blood...most of the bullshit you read or watch is only that, bullshit
regardless of the mouthpiece spewing it.

But I don't toe anybody's line but my own

Who asked you to go to Berkley?

I didn't go but I certainly support the rights of those that want to speak or listen to a person speak to do so along with their right to protect both themselves and their speech. I certainly didn't ask you to go. It's one thing to not go yourself and another thing to say others should not fight for their rights. Of course they should.
 

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There's a difference between going down the rabbit hole and digging your own hole and calling it a rabbit hole.
The Revisionist bullshit that Jefferson had childeren with a slave woman is nothing new..Jeffersons introduction into the Virgina legislature of a bill that called for abolition made him the enemy of the richest and most powerful men in Virginia....who started the rumor that Jefferson had childeren with a slave woman so this so called new finding is nothing more than an old lie..In fact it was a lie that Jeffersons neighbors and town folk ridiculed, they knew that the childeren had been fathered by Jeffersons brother...

"Ever since a 1998 DNA test was performed on Sally’s youngest child, Eston, scholars have thought for years that a Jefferson male, assumed to be Thomas
Jefferson, fathered the boy. But those tests didn’t even involve DNA from Thomas Jefferson and only established that Eston was probably fathered by any one of more than two dozen Jefferson men living in Virginia at the time, “The Jefferson-Hemings Controversy” asserts. In fact, the scholars point to Jefferson’s brother, Randolph, as the likely father of Hemings’ son."
 
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There's a difference between going down the rabbit hole and digging your own hole and calling it a rabbit hole.
The Revisionist bullshit that Jefferson had childeren with a slave woman is nothing new..Jeffersons introduction into the Virgina legislature of a bill that called for abolition made him the enemy of the richest and most powerful men in Virginia....who started the rumor that Jefferson had childeren with a slave woman so this so called new finding is nothing more than an old lie..In fact it was a lie that Jeffersons neighbors and town folk ridiculed, they knew that the childeren had been fathered by Jeffersons brother...

"Ever since a 1998 DNA test was performed on Sally’s youngest child, Eston, scholars have thought for years that a Jefferson male, assumed to be Thomas
Jefferson, fathered the boy. But those tests didn’t even involve DNA from Thomas Jefferson and only established that Eston was probably fathered by any one of more than two dozen Jefferson men living in Virginia at the time, “The Jefferson-Hemings Controversy” asserts. In fact, the scholars point to Jefferson’s brother, Randolph, as the likely father of Hemings’ son."

Believe what you want.
I'm well aware of Jefferson's character flaws and I'm well acquainted with his affair(s)
many of which his own relatives spoke about.
I'm also aware that there has existed an ongoing effort to clean up Americana by creating myths
as in Washington's cherry tree or denying history as in the case of Jefferson's history as an irresponsible
slave owner and aristocrat. If Hillary Clinton had won the election
eventually the facts of what occurred at Benghazi would be generally denied instead of only by some.
So, believe what fits into your preferred narrative, it's all bullshit anyhow
 

HazyShades

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It's one thing to not go yourself and another thing to say others should not fight for their rights. Of course they should.

I didn't say that.
What I have said, repeatedly, is that such a "fight" is a waste of time as far as actually protecting our right to free speech.
I've said that protecting our right to free speech is the job of our police force
who aren't doing their job..they have been told to stand down and let shit happen.
Given that order to stand down
any rumbles between Antifa and Patriots are likely to develop into tragic confrontations
with lethal consequences.
Now, pay attention 'cause this is the main point that I've been trying to make.
A situation of open warfare in the streets is precisely what the "Shadow Government"
wants and needs in order to legitimize establishing martial law.

Capiche?
Surely you've suspected that 911 was an inside job.
You know 911 was the rationale for the Department of Homeland Security, TSA, ETC.
That was the first phase. They've spent time and money since then to condition us to surrender our weapons.
Now they're itching to start phase 2.

That's what I'm saying. If anybody wants to rumble let them do their thing.
I just think it's a waste of MY time that plays right into the Elitist's trap.
 

pulsevape

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No.
I'm saying as I said the other night that AJ has been accused of being Mossad.
The other guy has an obnoxious voice.

Yeah, well accussations don't make something true..if the Mossad wanted an agent they have the entire MSM for that. they could of picked somebody better looking than AJ.I've seen no real proof that AJ has any ties to Zionists other than his wife is a jew supposedly, which is no proof at all....AJ has always been accussed of being a gatekeeper.The only reason I don't dismiss the idea out of hand is,Jones has for years been a platform or clearinghouse for many many conspiracy theroies, some of them quite out there, people like David Icke and many others, and yet he has never ever touched upon any of the Zionist conspiracies despite the fact that Rothschild has been very supportive of the zionist movment if not it's outright creator.There is ample proof of zionist conspiracies and yet Jones refuses to touch that line of inquiry.to even mention it. His site almost never mentions Isreal or is critical of their goverment, which is conspicuous by it's abscence.Infowars over the years it seems to me has been co-opted it used to be an interesting site that as I say was a clearinghouse of alot of different conspiracy theroies to now where it seems banal, a MSM lite, with a heavy bent toward Trump.What do you think of Jeff Rense...
 

pulsevape

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I didn't say that.
What I have said, repeatedly, is that such a "fight" is a waste of time as far as actually protecting our right to free speech.
I've said that protecting our right to free speech is the job of our police force
who aren't doing their job..they have been told to stand down and let shit happen.
Given that order to stand down
any rumbles between Antifa and Patriots are likely to develop into tragic confrontations
with lethal consequences.
Now, pay attention 'cause this is the main point that I've been trying to make.
A situation of open warfare in the streets is precisely what the "Shadow Government"
wants and needs in order to legitimize establishing martial law.

Capiche?
Surely you've suspected that 911 was an inside job.
You know 911 was the rationale for the Department of Homeland Security, TSA, ETC.
That was the first phase. They've spent time and money since then to condition us to surrender our weapons.
Now they're itching to start phase 2.

That's what I'm saying. If anybody wants to rumble let them do their thing.
I just think it's a waste of MY time that plays right into the Elitist's trap.
Yeah, yeah..we get your point Haze, and I'm not disagreeing with it..civil unrest will be used as an excuse to instigate the NCAA and declare martial law,but tell me....didn't we just get through with 8 years of de facto martial law under Obama?
We had a stupid meat head with good looks who...had a media that were not only uncritical of any move he made regardless of how evil or illegal it was, but were actual cheerleaders for said meat head....we had a strawman of an opposition party the GOP who were totally complacent to the agenda ,didn't raise a single issue against the agenda, the only pushback Obama recieved was not from the GOP but from citizens organizing themselves into the Tea Party.We had massive corruption,stuffing the courts, and indeed every single branch of the goverment with leftist/globalist apperetchicks we had a country who in effect had disovled it's legislative branch and was run by executive orders being issued almost daily.We had a goverment funded program installed that daily pushed a program of thought control that villified the entire American experince, rewrote it's history like Orwell warned us would happen, and demonization of the entire white race. We had an almost Maoist mass reducation/cultural revolution going on.Just like Orwell envisioned the elite didn't NEED to issue martial law they were able to create a de facto martial law by outlawing dissent. and using the wealth and the power of the state to drown out or silence, or to actually pass laws like the fairness doctine, or so called hate speech laws that criminalized dissent. That made critical thought a hate crime...that is martial law Capiche?
 

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he majority of the Republicans supported the Patriot Act and the majority of Demoncrats opposed it.
So who likes martial law most?
 
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