why...the CIA created Bin Laden and Al queda.........The "15 of 19 Saudi Arabian hijackers were actually CIA Agents" had me laughing in tears
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I think I have maxed out on my exposure to stupidity for the day.
Later folks and wankers.
Later folks and wankers.
It's too hot to go outside and vape
and the total cloud cover afforded by those lingering "contrails" at less than 2000 feet
aren't helping...so
I'm going to put my feet up and watch some TV...at least the writes/producers know
it's all about entertaining bullshit and make no effort to disguise their stupidity
while they try to sell us crap..
Catch y'all when the kiddies go to sleep.
and the total cloud cover afforded by those lingering "contrails" at less than 2000 feet
aren't helping...so
I'm going to put my feet up and watch some TV...at least the writes/producers know
it's all about entertaining bullshit and make no effort to disguise their stupidity
while they try to sell us crap..
Catch y'all when the kiddies go to sleep.
You mean you can't come up with anymore bullshit to counter the facts so you're gonna run off to your safe space.
Me? I just need to put my feet up and that makes it hard to type.
...wankers...LOL
Pot>kettle
lol you ladies have a good evening
I definitely don't know all the details of the 9/11 attacks. A few things I find fishy and it's the government's own fault. It appeared we were under attack and our response teams on the ground (fighter jets) were told to stand down. Why? The components and remnants of the crashed buildings were hauled off and locked up, hidden in large storage areas out of sight. Why? I mean what were they afraid of, outside of evidence contamination. What didn't they want people to see, that a couple planes flew into the buildings? We watched live fucking video of it. Cat's outta the bag there - if that's all it was.
I also enjoy watching news footage aired as an incident is happening. Often times truthful things are leaked and then people are shut up or shut down and only certain edited footage makes it to the airwaves for subsequent viewing. Like the janitor who felt a blast from beneath him just prior to the plane crashing into the tower. Stuff like that is quickly shut up. Another example was regarding the news crew that was attacked by a former reporter and he shot the woman mid interview. Lots of discrepancies in how that went down regarding the placement of the camera when the camera man went down on the deck, errors in the timestamps of his footage etc. That story quickly blew over right after it turned into a debated shitshow.
The government appears to be a bunch of bumbling idiots but my opinion, there are subsets within the government. Agencies or groups of people within agencies that are quite brilliant and capable of hiding the really important things. They've hidden area 51 pretty well and kept people out. Then again it's guarded with more ferocity than the white house is. It's not some notion that the whole government is corrupt or 'in on it'. In fact I doubt most are, many are idiots. Those doing questionable things, covering things up likely keep a tight knit group. That's just common sense, if you're planning to prank the teacher in school you don't get the whole damn class in on it. Too many idiots who couldn't keep their mouth shut or would blow it or refuse to go along with it. Similar concept applies to lots of scenarios.
Likely that the government doesn't try too hard to debunk conspiracies if they keep groups of people preoccupied. I think a lot of the mistrust though is directly their fault. When journalists stumble onto things it doesn't always need to be sidestepped and lied about. Yea, ok if you happened to see a large secret weapons depot, sure the gov probably doesn't want everyone knowing about it like enemies and foreign nations. If it's something plain, why not just explain it and be done with it. Many don't trust the government because they lie about everything. They'd just as soon make some convoluted excuse as to why they have cookie crumbs on their ties rather than say 'cause we ate some fuckin cookies'. Act shady and people assume you're up to no good.
I also enjoy watching news footage aired as an incident is happening. Often times truthful things are leaked and then people are shut up or shut down and only certain edited footage makes it to the airwaves for subsequent viewing. Like the janitor who felt a blast from beneath him just prior to the plane crashing into the tower. Stuff like that is quickly shut up. Another example was regarding the news crew that was attacked by a former reporter and he shot the woman mid interview. Lots of discrepancies in how that went down regarding the placement of the camera when the camera man went down on the deck, errors in the timestamps of his footage etc. That story quickly blew over right after it turned into a debated shitshow.
The government appears to be a bunch of bumbling idiots but my opinion, there are subsets within the government. Agencies or groups of people within agencies that are quite brilliant and capable of hiding the really important things. They've hidden area 51 pretty well and kept people out. Then again it's guarded with more ferocity than the white house is. It's not some notion that the whole government is corrupt or 'in on it'. In fact I doubt most are, many are idiots. Those doing questionable things, covering things up likely keep a tight knit group. That's just common sense, if you're planning to prank the teacher in school you don't get the whole damn class in on it. Too many idiots who couldn't keep their mouth shut or would blow it or refuse to go along with it. Similar concept applies to lots of scenarios.
Likely that the government doesn't try too hard to debunk conspiracies if they keep groups of people preoccupied. I think a lot of the mistrust though is directly their fault. When journalists stumble onto things it doesn't always need to be sidestepped and lied about. Yea, ok if you happened to see a large secret weapons depot, sure the gov probably doesn't want everyone knowing about it like enemies and foreign nations. If it's something plain, why not just explain it and be done with it. Many don't trust the government because they lie about everything. They'd just as soon make some convoluted excuse as to why they have cookie crumbs on their ties rather than say 'cause we ate some fuckin cookies'. Act shady and people assume you're up to no good.
Cheney ordered drills that left us defenseless except for 4 alert fighters 2) Boston & 2) Langley & took personal command of NORAD & air defenses that day to insure they could not intercept.
It all happened just the way he wanted it to. Very few would cross pappa Bush (or Cheney) after he killed Kennedy. Who do you think taught HRC everything she knows about keeping people quiet.
There are those who would argue there were no planes at all & we just saw what they showed us
- http://vapingunderground.com/thread...e-voting-for-why.213587/page-341#post-1817334
- http://vapingunderground.com/thread...e-voting-for-why.213587/page-341#post-1817351
The video here is pretty comprehensive & well worth watching: http://vapingunderground.com/thread...e-voting-for-why.213587/page-341#post-1817415 Highly recommend.
Guess he never saw the clip of Peterson Addressing UN Sponsored Climate Change conference in 2007, but that is not surprising.
Sorry Hazy, that's false. They are designed to fall and fall straight down.
Having been a structural steel fitter/welder for a few years I've built the beams that go into buildings such as the Stratosphere in Vegas and many others. They are all built with what I'll call weak points that are designed to fail. These are FEMA requirements. For instance, if you weld a plate on one side only you can knock the plate off with only a hammer if you hit it the right direction but it will not move if you hit it the other way. There are lots of those types of welds in structural beams.
Most fitters/welders of structural steel construction for tall building, while not engineers, are painfully aware of FEMA requirements because they are a huge pain in the ass.
In short, they want buildings to fall down on themselves and not sideways taking other buildings with them. They do not want a domino effect if one building fails. Like crumple zones in a car that are designed to fail, modern buildings have failure designed into them also.
The two towers fell as designed. You can believe that or not but it's true. And I hope any building that has my welds in it, that my welds fail where they are supposed to and it falls straight down and not onto/into other buildings.
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I disagree and so does my cousin the architect; point being that the airplanes crashing would not cause the buildings to fall downwards or sideways because not enough "weak points" were stressed... But I won't argue the point.
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But, they did fall downwards and not sideways.
Wrong FEMA PDF. The towers were made earthquake resistant and earthquake resistant large building are made to fail straight down, if they fail.
995 pages is too mush for me to read through.
https://www.fema.gov/media-library-...c7a1d1a3b864648554198526d671f/FEMA_P-1051.pdf
There is no debate. I was at work, building beams for a earthquake resistant building, on 9-11. My first thought when I watched the towers fall was, at least they fell like they were designed to. Nobody at work was surprised they fell or by how they fell. I can make a heavy beam sag by heating it in 1 to 3 three spots(depending on how much bow the beam is supposed to have) using less than 1200 degrees and when it cools it will bow the other way(up) half the distance of the sag. It doesn't take as much heat as you might think to buckle a beam.
I hear you time, but the level of damage those planes made were not enough to trigger a total failure....designs like that would be insane....designing a building that had total failure with such a low level of damage sustained would essentialy be building a building that would come down taking every human being in the building down with it after sustaining a low level of damage that would be controlable by firefighters.and also it would have been designed to stay erect for a long enough period to evacuate the people inside it.
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yeah Time but the damage say an earthquake can do to a building that high is way more than a plane crashing into it.But, they did fall downwards and not sideways.
Wrong FEMA PDF. The towers were made earthquake resistant and earthquake resistant large building are made to fail straight down, if they fail.
995 pages is too mush for me to read through.
https://www.fema.gov/media-library-...c7a1d1a3b864648554198526d671f/FEMA_P-1051.pdf
There is no debate. I was at work, building beams for a earthquake resistant building, on 9-11. My first thought when I watched the towers fall was, at least they fell like they were designed to. Nobody at work was surprised they fell or by how they fell. I can make a heavy beam sag by heating it in 1 to 3 three spots(depending on how much bow the beam is supposed to have) using less than 1200 degrees and when it cools it will bow the other way(up) half the distance of the sag. It doesn't take as much heat as you might think to buckle a beam.
Point of clarification: Yes they fell downward, but much of the outer steel was propelled outward up to 200' due to explosive force. Pancaking air puffs didn't do that....Realize you are not saying it did, but that failure was a controlled demolition at speeds not attainable in a "natural collapse" and even a former NIST employee came out saying that.
Again, I understand you didn't say it was.
200 feet is nothing..... Shit 2000 seems likely in an UNCONTROLLED collapse.
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But the heat is enough. I can easily bend a beam, with no added weight just the beam itself, by heating parts of it(not the whole beam just small spots) with nothing more than a rosebud to less than 1200 degrees. That's how we put bows in beams that needed bows.
Now imagine a beam with weight on it and not just the weight it was designed for but sharing the weight of damaged beams. It won't even take 1000 degrees to make the beam fail. The weight and the heat together will collapse the beam.
I don't think people are aware how much steel moves under heat. It expands allot. The Stratosphere arcs with the sun every day moving a couple feet at the top simply from the sun heating one side. It's all very cool stuff.
I wish I would have took video of how we put bows in beams. Very heavy beams. Of course we are restricted on how hot we got the metal because too hot would make the beams brittle after they cooled. It doesn't take as much heat as people think to make a beam move.
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yeah but then you wouldn't be able to send a firefighting unit into a building like that, in the event there was a fire, because the building would have been designed to totally collapse on top of them.....they would have to sit there and watch the fire spread until the building collapsed...they wouldn't even be able to evacuate people because it would be putting all the firemen's lives at a very high risk of almost certain death...there are several buildings who have had planes crash into them and they didn't sustain enough damage that it would justify collapsing a whole building and killing everyone inside the building with it.
Name a few other buildings that have had major airliners crash into them? Small private plane yes but no comparison.
The building are designed to stand, as much as possible. But when they begin to fail, they are designed to fall straight down. No one is going to send in firefighters into a building that has already begun to collapse.
I'm saying that once they began to collapse, they collapsed the way they were designed to. The "implosion".
The cause of the collapse was the heat. My experience with steel leads me to believe it is entirely possible, likely probable, that the heat at the top caused the beginning of the collapse and the shear of the weight brought the rest down as it should.
In other words, I think of them as two separate issue. The beginning of the collapse. and the full collapse. The beginning of the collapse being cause by the initial damage at impact + heat. The rest of the collapse being the shear weight of the top crashing down.
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That makes sense. If you shove stuff into a cardboard box, the walls will push out. If you shove several top floors of material into the lower floors of the building, the box beams at the sides will shove out.
I don't think you need an explosive force to push the beams outward.
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Your entitled to your opinion. We are entitle to ours. I have researched & reviewed enough on the subject that I will always be convinced of what really happened that day. Most objective First Responders, Pilots, Intel Agents, Architects, Physicists & Engineers question official events.
Dredged channel allowing barges that removed debris done in advance, Photos of a room full of cases w/ codes for detonators, Israeli art project accessing all parts of buildings for months, Halliburton subsidiary run by Bush's brother in charge of WTC security, Silverstein's billion dollar asbestos problem, insurance restructuring before for disaster & $7 billion insurance windfall, planes performing maneuvers well beyond physical and structural limits in amateur hands when experienced pilots say they couldn't do it, Cell phone calls placed when it was impossible at altitudes, Cheney taking control of NORAD, only 4 armed alert aircraft on east coast too far away to respond (when all other & closer assets earlier directed out over Atlantic in Exercises) & mis-directed out over atlantic when they do, destruction of $7-$10 Trillion in records under congressional subpoena for audit at pentagon, not to mention convenient justification for 2 wars & curtailment of American Privacy freedoms & Due process....The questions abound....all without talking about the WTC collapses themselves.
The video at this post http://vapingunderground.com/thread...e-voting-for-why.213587/page-341#post-1817415 while long brings many questions which when taken as a whole should convince most skeptics of the truth yet still glosses over so many compelling facts, viewpoints and testimony on the subject.
Much like the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building Collapse from a van load of fertilizer & diesel fuel that should only have blown out the windows and discolored or lightly damaged the fascia from the standoff distance it was at, I'm not buying it. Firefighters found unexpended explosives & thermite charges on the columns there & Intel leaks said that entire building was wired as well and the only reason the whole building didn't come down was there was a malfunction in the det wiring (before the Feds shut them up). Another false flag designed to curtail American Freedoms (& conveniently destroy a mountain of evidence under subpoena against Clintons).
Some will never be convinced. Believe what you will.
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very well said .....the idea one plane was liable to make a killing hit was like lightening striking...but the chances of 2 planes bringing 3 buildings down...is like lightening striking in the same place 3 times. ...the odds are beyond acceptable...the buildings were wired to blow the planes were just the lie the public would buy....even taken on face value the odds were ridiculously slim,but once all these other facts are taken in account it becomes obvious that the whole thing was a staged event.,,,,there is just way too many coincedences all happening on the same day..
Many choose faith over facts.
Pot, meet kettle...
True I do have faith that politicians are not to be trusted.
But that faith is based on facts
But that faith is based on facts
And way too many big problems for convenient players in administration solved in one fell swoop.
Seven of the terrorist are still alive today. Plane parts at WTC & Pentagon are not from right planes. No real plane wreckage at Pentagon, NY or in PA. Impossible approach at Pentagon & south WTC. DC most heavily defended airspace in USA. Air defense missiles & CWIS at Pentagon & White House could easily have downed that air target. It is insane to think it was anything but a false flag.
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I listed facts that your faith, attitude & intelligence apparently refuse to allow you to see.True I do have faith that politicians are not to be trusted.
But that faith is based on facts
Congratulations, you got me to unblock just to reply.
I'm sure you consider that a victory.
Well done.
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