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voicenyerhed said:
I was a history major in college. Far more accountable than journalism & the first thing they teach is that there is NO such thing as an unbiased source. Not only is this taught, but it is inherrently true due to human nature. It is not possible for people to keep their biases out. They will always come through in some way. So to tell me that there is a media source out there that does not tells me that you have not done your research. We can all go to whatever sources we want. I may view one as less bias than what you view as unbiased & or differing opinions will likely be due to our personal experience which makes us biased. Fact is, I have lived all across the country & in many different settings & those experiences do influence me, just as yours do you, which is why we will never see eye to eye. I have personally witnessed Joe Arpio's racism in Arizona first hand, as well as been first hand witness to police racism in Baltimore, St Louis, and Washington DC. These experiences will always remind me to look beyond myself for the truth. I don't believe you are doing that. You don't like what you read so you look for someone that is writing what helps you make your point.

And as far as respect, it was made clear that no one has any for me from the get go since I don't agree with what is being said.

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And you are different how?

These are quotes from every article you posted on the "statistics";

"But while it’s true that there is no adequate federal database of fatal police shootings (F.B.I. director James Comey has described the lack of data as “embarrassing and ridiculous”),"

"But as data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population."

"Any “analysis” of police killings will of course show that in absolute numbers, more white people are killed in police shootings than black people, because (non-Hispanic) whites comprise a roughly five times greater share of the U.S. population (62% vs. 13%). So any “analysis” that is based on nothing more than absolute numbers and does not take demographics into account is inaccurate and misleading"

"The truth is that the raw statistics can't tell us whether the police are treating African Americans differently from white people."

In every one, they admit the official numbers don't show a racial bias, unless they make "adjustments". Another word for adjust is manipulate.

ma·nip·u·late
məˈnipyəˌlāt/
verb
verb: manipulate; 3rd person present: manipulates; past tense: manipulated; past participle: manipulated; gerund or present participle: manipulating
  1. 1.
    handle or control (a tool, mechanism, etc.), typically in a skillful manner.
    "he manipulated the dials of the set"
    synonyms: operate, work; More
    turn, pull
    "he manipulated some knobs and levers"
    • alter, edit, or move (text or data) on a computer.
    • examine or treat (a part of the body) by feeling or moving it with the hand.
      "a system of healing based on manipulating the ligaments of the spine"
      synonyms: massage, rub, knead, feel, palpate
      "she manipulated the muscles of his back"
  2. 2.
    control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly, unfairly, or unscrupulously.
    "the masses were deceived and manipulated by a tiny group"
    synonyms: control, influence, use/turn to one's advantage, exploit, maneuver, engineer, steer, direct, gerrymander;
    twist someone around one's little finger
    "the government tried to manipulate the situation"
    • alter (data) or present (statistics) so as to mislead.
      synonyms: falsify, rig, distort, alter, change, doctor, massage, juggle, tamper with, tinker with, interfere with, misrepresent; More
      informalcook, fiddle with
      "they accused him of manipulating the data"
 

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Time said:
And you are different how?

These are quotes from every article you posted on the "statistics";

"But while it’s true that there is no adequate federal database of fatal police shootings (F.B.I. director James Comey has described the lack of data as “embarrassing and ridiculous”),"

"But as data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population."

"Any “analysis” of police killings will of course show that in absolute numbers, more white people are killed in police shootings than black people, because (non-Hispanic) whites comprise a roughly five times greater share of the U.S. population (62% vs. 13%). So any “analysis” that is based on nothing more than absolute numbers and does not take demographics into account is inaccurate and misleading"

"The truth is that the raw statistics can't tell us whether the police are treating African Americans differently from white people."

In every one, they admit the official numbers don't show a racial bias, unless they make "adjustments". Another word for adjust is manipulate.

ma·nip·u·late
məˈnipyəˌlāt/
verb
verb: manipulate; 3rd person present: manipulates; past tense: manipulated; past participle: manipulated; gerund or present participle: manipulating
  1. 1.
    handle or control (a tool, mechanism, etc.), typically in a skillful manner.
    "he manipulated the dials of the set"
    synonyms: operate, work; More
    turn, pull
    "he manipulated some knobs and levers"
    • alter, edit, or move (text or data) on a computer.
    • examine or treat (a part of the body) by feeling or moving it with the hand.
      "a system of healing based on manipulating the ligaments of the spine"
      synonyms: massage, rub, knead, feel, palpate
      "she manipulated the muscles of his back"
  2. 2.
    control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly, unfairly, or unscrupulously.
    "the masses were deceived and manipulated by a tiny group"
    synonyms: control, influence, use/turn to one's advantage, exploit, maneuver, engineer, steer, direct, gerrymander;
    twist someone around one's little finger
    "the government tried to manipulate the situation"
    • alter (data) or present (statistics) so as to mislead.
      synonyms: falsify, rig, distort, alter, change, doctor, massage, juggle, tamper with, tinker with, interfere with, misrepresent; More
      informalcook, fiddle with
      "they accused him of manipulating the data"
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Again, the statistics coupled with racist statements perpetrate this as a racial issue. You're too biased to actually understand what I've said.

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voicenyerhed

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Rossum said:
You have obviously never been to a certain section of that other forum. :)
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Haha, I'm sure they are out there, but so far it hasn't happened to me. You're sure to find a nut in every candy shop. It's just that I haven't had to look to hard to find them in trump's.

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Rossum said:
You have obviously never been to a certain section of that other forum. :)
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Only when Retired1 threw some of my posts over there because they referred to somewhat negative aspects of our society.
OHH nothing bad or rule breaking by any means. Was even in an OT thread.
I got really pissed and told him to consume excrement and expire.
hence I am here :D
 
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voicenyerhed said:
Haha, I'm sure they are out there, but so far it hasn't happened to me. You're sure to find a nut in every candy shop. It's just that I haven't had to look to hard to find them in trump's.

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And they seem to be getting more desperate as Trump continues to fizzle.

The person I had been having the recent discussion with is a case in point.
Seems to have gone downhill recently in his posting style.
 
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Rossum said:
So I'm "not too bad though". o_O
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You know your one of the good ones, but you didn't spend time there like those guys do. You used to come buy once in a while and drop a little wisdom on them and they would just go off like the rabid cucks they were. Too funny. You were definitely a highlight there.

I just couldn't keep reading all the blatantly slanted lying articles they were posting to support their insanity any longer.
 
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Rossum said:
Ouch. A 5-hour long video?
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And it is just facts and honest examination of the many very questionable events. Never even mentions that the first two hijacked planes crossed each others flight paths within sight of each other only 5 miles from an air national guard base whose entire contingent was ordered off base to Texas for exercises which also had twin engine command & control planes that may have been used in the attack both for command & control and attack after an Operation Northwoods style swapout in flight.

It is very well done. You will be shaking your head for another five hours after watching it.
 
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voicenyerhed said:
I was a history major in college. Far more accountable than journalism & the first thing they teach is that there is NO such thing as an unbiased source. Not only is this taught, but it is inherrently true due to human nature. It is not possible for people to keep their biases out. They will always come through in some way. So to tell me that there is a media source out there that does not tells me that you have not done your research. We can all go to whatever sources we want. I may view one as less bias than what you view as unbiased & or differing opinions will likely be due to our personal experience which makes us biased. Fact is, I have lived all across the country & in many different settings & those experiences do influence me, just as yours do you, which is why we will never see eye to eye. I have personally witnessed Joe Arpio's racism in Arizona first hand, as well as been first hand witness to police racism in Baltimore, St Louis, and Washington DC. These experiences will always remind me to look beyond myself for the truth. I don't believe you are doing that. You don't like what you read so you look for someone that is writing what helps you make your point.

And as far as respect, it was made clear that no one has any for me from the get go since I don't agree with what is being said.

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Oh, so you were a revisionist major in college? I see. When I went to school they didn't teach
"Journalism for Social Warriors" or "Let's re-write history and make Commies seem like heroes"

You have no idea. I've seen racism, have relatives who were burned to death by the Klan.
I have always questioned authority and have suffered at the hands of cops for it.
What of it?
Do you think you're special? Re-read your post above: "those experiences do influence me, just as yours do you, which is why we will never see eye to eye. " Well if you insist but I think that's rather presumptuous of you.
42...yea, it isn't surprising that a snot nose thinks he knows it all and only his experiences count.

"I don't believe...you don't like...blah, blah, blah." Fucking typical bullshit.
I don't "believe", I KNOW after verifying facts. I don't like anything but have an open mind.
You don't.
You were a history major but still think that serving makes you some big shit deserving of more consideration
when all it does is make you a fool who didn't do his homework in history class.

Tell you what, asshole. You're *way below* my standard.
I enjoy discussing with people who take the time to look for the truth
but have much disdain for idiots who think left wing media outlets know it.
As far as I'm concerned you must have been a carrier parrot in the service.

Go lick Cromwell's nuts I'm sure you two dogs fit each other's idea of intellectual.
 
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Oh, so you were a revisionist major in college? I see. When I went to school they didn't teach
"Journalism for Social Warriors" or "Let's re-write history and make Commies seem like heroes"

You have no idea. I've seen racism, have relatives who were burned to death by the Klan.
I have always questioned authority and have suffered at the hands of cops for it.
What of it?
Do you think you're special? Re-read your post above: "those experiences do influence me, just as yours do you, which is why we will never see eye to eye. " Well if you insist but I think that's rather presumptuous of you.
42...yea, it isn't surprising that a snot nose thinks he knows it all and only his experiences count.

"I don't believe...you don't like...blah, blah, blah." Fucking typical bullshit.
I don't "believe" I KNOW after verifying facts. I don't like anything but have an open mind.
You don't.
You were a history major but still think that serving makes you some big shit deserving of more consideration
when all it does is make you a fool who didn't do his homework in history class.

Tell you what, asshole. You're *way below" my standard.
I enjoy discussing with people who take the time to look for the truth
but have much disdain for idiots who think left wing media outlets know it.
As far as I'm concerned you must have been a carrier parrot in the service.

Go lick Cromwell's nuts I'm sure you two dogs fit each other's idea of intellectual.
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Thank you for that enlightening and very intellectual post ;)
 
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voicenyerhed said:
I was a history major in college. Far more accountable than journalism & the first thing they teach is that there is NO such thing as an unbiased source. Not only is this taught, but it is inherrently true due to human nature. It is not possible for people to keep their biases out. They will always come through in some way. So to tell me that there is a media source out there that does not tells me that you have not done your research. We can all go to whatever sources we want. I may view one as less bias than what you view as unbiased & or differing opinions will likely be due to our personal experience which makes us biased. Fact is, I have lived all across the country & in many different settings & those experiences do influence me, just as yours do you, which is why we will never see eye to eye. I have personally witnessed Joe Arpio's racism in Arizona first hand, as well as been first hand witness to police racism in Baltimore, St Louis, and Washington DC. These experiences will always remind me to look beyond myself for the truth. I don't believe you are doing that. You don't like what you read so you look for someone that is writing what helps you make your point.

And as far as respect, it was made clear that no one has any for me from the get go since I don't agree with what is being said.

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They don't have respect for you because you're a stupid twat. not because of whether or not they agree with you.If you had half a brain people may not agree with you but they'd respect you...
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voicenyerhed said:
Funny thing is in not an Obama or Clinton fan either, but I've never been attacked by their supporters for disagreeing.

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yeah all those people getting beaten who attended Trump rallies just sort of didn't reach your astute brain huh?...or the fact all those good libtards like you on college campuses keep wanting to end the first amendment...you don't offer any points you just lie, you are emblematic of the current left...you are just a cuck...
 
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HazyShades said:
Oh, so you were a revisionist major in college? I see. When I went to school they didn't teach
"Journalism for Social Warriors" or "Let's re-write history and make Commies seem like heroes"

You have no idea. I've seen racism, have relatives who were burned to death by the Klan.
I have always questioned authority and have suffered at the hands of cops for it.
What of it?
Do you think you're special? Re-read your post above: "those experiences do influence me, just as yours do you, which is why we will never see eye to eye. " Well if you insist but I think that's rather presumptuous of you.
42...yea, it isn't surprising that a snot nose thinks he knows it all and only his experiences count.

"I don't believe...you don't like...blah, blah, blah." Fucking typical bullshit.
I don't "believe", I KNOW after verifying facts. I don't like anything but have an open mind.
You don't.
You were a history major but still think that serving makes you some big shit deserving of more consideration
when all it does is make you a fool who didn't do his homework in history class.

Tell you what, asshole. You're *way below* my standard.
I enjoy discussing with people who take the time to look for the truth
but have much disdain for idiots who think left wing media outlets know it.
As far as I'm concerned you must have been a carrier parrot in the service.

Go lick Cromwell's nuts I'm sure you two dogs fit each other's idea of intellectual.
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Yeah, that post screams intellectual...well, maybe at a trump rally.

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The Cromwell said:
If they do they are stalking which is against the rules.
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There you go, another example of stupidity and a demonstration that you're a dimwit.
D-D-D...we can go wherever in this forum we want to.
You need to look up the definition of "stalking"..
Maybe you need to call retired1 to come rescue poor wittle Crumbie
 
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pulsevape said:
yeah all those people getting beaten who attended Trump rallies just sort of didn't reach your astute brain huh?...or the fact all those good libtards like you on college campuses keep wanting to end the first amendment...you don't offer any points you just lie, you are emblematic of the current left...you are just a cuck...
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Lol!

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HazyShades said:
There you go, another example of stupidity and a demonstration that you're a dimwit.
D-D-D...we can go wherever in this forum we want to.
You need to look up the definition of "stalking"..
Maybe you need to call retired1 to come rescue poor wittle Crumbie
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Umm stalking on a board is following a poster from thread to thread and harassing them.
 
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Tpat591 said:
ECF is completely & utterly cucked in the Outside. They live by the illusion of propaganda as fact and Fox is fiction. Just no talking to those schills. Between Bones and SurfMonkey your better off beating your head against a brick wall. Some of the others aren't too bad though and can at least maintain an illusion of rationality .
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There you are..I thought Rossum said this 'cause I've seen him "Outside" a few times.
I agree, Bro. A few months ago I had to intercede for a friend, Laura..Bones was giving her all kinds of grief
and she isn't half as conservative as us. A couple of weeks ago I found another bud Opi in heated argument with both Bones and Surfmonkey.
How do you explain to a very opinionated woman that she's way over her head
and wasting time arguing with two dudes who won't give an inch?
I had to intercede there too.
 
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Yeah, that post screams intellectual...well, maybe at a trump rally.

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And you scream a banal and adolescecnt mind with a pedestrian education....that parrots the corporate propoganda machine.someone to insecure to think for themselves....take a knee bitch.
 
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Umm stalking on a board is following a poster from thread to thread and harassing them.
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Umm, define "harassing". I understand that to you it means disagreeing with since you and your buddies can't cope with opinions different than your opinions and you get all violent and need safe rooms and such. But methinks you confused VU with ECF.

Why don't you run along and get a moderator and ask?
I think Huck is here
maybe EJ will get her for you.

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And you scream a banal and adolescecnt mind with a pedestrian education....that parrots the corporate propoganda machine.someone to insecure to think for themselves....take a knee bitch.
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You're fucking hilarious, man!...and an angry little whacko. Stay crazy.

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It took me a while, but eventually I learned that there's more to be lost than gained by crapping on people.
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I would agree had you not qualified your statement with the word "people"
By his own mouth Crumb has stated he is not human.
 
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voicenyerhed said:
Again, the statistics coupled with racist statements perpetrate this as a racial issue. You're too biased to actually understand what I've said.

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Like I said, I'd support some resistance to the police bullshit. But, not while it's attached to the racist bullshit. You BLM fucks are on your own with that. And it ain't working out so well for ya.

Maybe in a few more years you'll pull your head out and realize that ALL police misconduct is wrong and we can make headway on getting things right. Until then, waste your time fucking around with a false cause. I'm not wasting mine, nor are others that aren't falling for the dumb shit.
 
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Like I said, I'd support some resistance to the police bullshit. But, not while it's attached to the racist bullshit. You BLM fucks are on your own with that. And it ain't working out so well for ya.

Maybe in a few more years you'll pull your head out and realize that ALL police misconduct is wrong and we can make headway on getting things right. Until then, waste your time fucking around with a false cause. I'm not wasting mine, nor are others that aren't falling for the dumb shit.
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I'm not BLM, ANTIFA, or any other acronym. I'm just a realist. But I honestly don't think our opinions differ that much. All I'm saying is that, while I don't think it is as simple as just a racism issue, I understand that because racism often plays a part in the acts against minorities I can understand why some see it as that. But I agree, ALL police brutality needs to come to an end.

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Like I said, I'd support some resistance to the police bullshit. But, not while it's attached to the racist bullshit. You BLM fucks are on your own with that. And it ain't working out so well for ya.

Maybe in a few more years you'll pull your head out and realize that ALL police misconduct is wrong and we can make headway on getting things right. Until then, waste your time fucking around with a false cause. I'm not wasting mine, nor are others that aren't falling for the dumb shit.
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I spent too much time working for equality to be able to condone the racist bullshit
disguised as social justice being spewed by BLM and all the little white wannabe's.

I know a very liberal Catholic family who prides themselves in being social justice warriors.
The last time I heard the dreaded "N" word was over at their house.
 
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Rossum said:
It took me a while, but eventually I learned that there's more to be lost than gained by crapping on people.
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I've wondered about that but after reading your well reasoned and respectful posts and the responses you get, I've come to the conclusion that you don't change any opinions any better than I do while I'm crapping on people that really need to be shit on. :D

Plus, there is the satisfaction of being able to say exactly what I think. :cheers:
 
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