To Date which US Presidential candidate will you be voting for & why?

[voicenyerhed]

As we all can, hence some of the responses you saw. May I ask what about my response or post makes you think you wouldn't want to talk to someone at my level. Is it the ingrained stigma that I am a conspiracy theorist nutcase because I believe that Dick Cheney allowed Mossad to plant Demoliton charges in three buildings at the WTC to:

• solve Larry Silverstein's Asbestos problem
• institue the Patriot Act provisions that were written prior to 9-11
• give justification to attack Afghanistan to take over the poppy fields and install a central bank
• give justification to attack Iraq to take over the oil fields and install a central bank

Is it because I believe the Southern Poverty Law Center (a creation of the CIA) orchestrated the entire Charlottesville False Flag event on behalf of the Democratic Party literally bussing in both sides of the demonstrators on the same buses and employed stunt people and crisis actors to stage the Challenger attack?

Is it because I believe Vegas was a staged event orchestrated by rouge elements of the CIA and FBI co-opting a planned National Preparedness Exercise behalf of Mike Chertoff & Associates to sell backscatter scanners (in that video I just posted) that conveniently resulted in one American death for each Tomahawk missile Trump fired into Syria so it can be blamed off on ISIS - a group created by the CIA/Mossad/GIP so we could have an excuse to invade Libya, Syria & Iran (and install central banks in each).

Do you not believe your government capable of the atrocity of killing its own citizens to have an excuse to take away our freedoms and send our sons and daughters off to war for profit of a select few?

As a veteran who put your life on the line and served honorably, do you not believe you deserve better from your country than for it it pursue these hidden agendas by staging these false attacks tainted with the blood of Americans?

I do believe that there are some government conspiracies out there that result and instigate atrocities in our country against our own people and those of other nations, I just don't stray as far from the main as you do. Everything you mention above is a bit too outlandish for me, and I am not saying that you are completely wrong but I would require some actual proof to believe any of it. And everything I have seen to support this has been lacking in evidence. But I said what I said simply as a jab to irritate you, which is what made it immature and unproductive.

 

[Time]

I do agree, somewhat, it is not a black only issue. However, it is statistically a high majority black issue. But, the fact is police need more accountability, period. No one should feel that they are above the law, and some of them do simply because the traditional recourse for unlawful actions by a law officer is minimal at best. But the fact that it is easiest for them to get away with it in inner city poor areas which tend to be mostly black combined with the unfortunate racially charged statements that SOME officers get caught saying perpetrates this as a race issue.

Statistically, police kill more white people than black.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/

"Based on that data, Mr. Moskos reported that roughly 49 percent of those killed by officers from May 2013 to April 2015 were white, while 30 percent were black. He also found that 19 percent were Hispanic and 2 percent were Asian and other races."

Unless you mean that there are a fewer percentage of black people in the population than accounts for the difference but you also have to account for the higher percentage of crimes in those areas which to my mind even things out. A high crime area has a higher population of police and thus a higher probability of police abuse. It's not a race issue.

And, it's all moot anyway when it comes to race. Police abuse of power is abuse of power regardless of race. A man dies(or woman or child) or is otherwise mistreated is wrong no matter what the race of the abused is. It's not a race issue, it's a police issue. Period. Whether or not race had an underlying factor in the abuse doesn't matter because you have to address the abuse itself no matter what caused it. Each US citizen now has exactly the same rights by law. Enforcing those rights, whether they were broken by underlying racist tendancies or not, is universally the way to solve the problem. Making it a race issue divides support and is not relevant. The only thing that is relevant is if the police abused their power, not why.

 

[HazyShades]

I have done my research. Again, I am not saying it is a black only, or even a minority only issue, I am saying that some key factors in play perpetrate it to be just that though. And in many cases, the brutality is, in fact, racially motivated. Enough to promote this issue in this direction, anyway.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/data-police-racial-bias

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.9569dcd9fac8

http://www.snopes.com/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36826297

These are just a few articles that explain why this is so.

Note that you posted four media outlets known to be biased toward the left. It is not so.
Example, Snopes said:"Overall, black Americans are several times more likely to be killed in police shootings than white Americans are."
But Snopes left out that black Americans commit crimes disproportionately to their minority status.
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white, and that was between 1980 and 2008 BEFORE Obama wound up the black tin soldiers
and convinced all of them except Ben Carson that blacks are all under the white racist thumb.

 

[The Cromwell]

But I said what I said simply as a jab to irritate you, which is what made it immature and unproductive.

I thought that was what political discussions were all about?
Virtually no one ever changes their opinion based on a political discussion.
A good place for those who enjoy belittling and insulting others though.

 

[Tpat591]

You'll get no argument from me there..All agreed..except I think Donald has been playing us all along

Sadly, you are probably right. Still he was much better than the alternative.

I still have hopes that when push comes to shove, Trump will do the right thing to avoid thermonuclear war with Putin.

 

[HazyShades]

LOL at least I do not have to results to insults.
Your doing so speaks volumes about you.

but I will be nice and not spell out the psychological implications on here.

Oh did I insult you?
If my stating indirectly that Kentuckians are a bunch of inbred hicks insults you
you should take the matter up with your inbred family.

If my stating that you are mentally disjointed bothers you then stop acting like a dumbshit, runt.

 

[The Cromwell]

Oh did I insult you?
If my stating indirectly that Kentuckians are a bunch of inbred hicks insults you
you should take the matter up with your inbred family.

If my stating that you are mentally disjointed bothers you then stop acting like a dumbshit, runt.

I appreciate your agreeing with my post
Thank You.

 

[chuck333]

It's strange. In Canada a Conservative is a person who believes in little government, low taxes, low government spending. That's about all. A Liberal believes in huge government, high taxes, spend like there's no tomorrow for "The public good". That's about all. I am a staunch Conservative here in Canada. If I were American, well, who knows?
In the U.S. it's really become painted quite differently. The fundamental ideologies probably stand for the most part but they've taken on a very unsavory smell. When you think of things most people would find loathsome you can almost always assign these ideologies by party. Similarly when you think of admirable traits they too can be assigned by party. It's very strange the way the U.S. parties have an entire identity association outside of governance.

 

[HazyShades]

I do believe that there are some government conspiracies out there that result and instigate atrocities in our country against our own people and those of other nations, I just don't stray as far from the main as you do. Everything you mention above is a bit too outlandish for me, and I am not saying that you are completely wrong but I would require some actual proof to believe any of it. And everything I have seen to support this has been lacking in evidence. But I said what I said simply as a jab to irritate you, which is what made it immature and unproductive.

Again, do more research. Everything Pat mentioned is true. It may seem outlandish but I think Pat
might be the first to admit that he used to be a normie and would have though it all outlandish as well.
But then he swallowed the red pill and saw the light.

 

[HazyShades]

I appreciate your agreeing with my post
Thank You.

See what I mean jellybean?
You can't even use sarcasm properly. Runt.

 

[chuck333]

Again, do more research. Everything Pat mentioned is true. It may seem outlandish but I think Pat
might be the first to admit that he used to be a normie and would have though it all outlandish as well.
But then he swallowed the red pill and saw the light.

I'm getting on in years. I need blue pills from time to time.

 

[The Cromwell]

See what I mean jellybean?
You can't even use sarcasm properly. Runt.

You just have to keep hammering your resorting to insults and name calling.
What do rules of debate say about that?

 

[Tpat591]

I have done my research. Again, I am not saying it is a black only, or even a minority only issue, I am saying that some key factors in play perpetrate it to be just that though. And in many cases, the brutality is, in fact, racially motivated. Enough to promote this issue in this direction, anyway.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/data-police-racial-bias

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.9569dcd9fac8

http://www.snopes.com/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36826297

These are just a few articles that explain why this is so.

Hazy is right. Your sources are full of crap. You should do your research with more reliable sources using original data as published by Justice Department.

The propaganda outlets will say anything to justify any position they choose at the time.

 

[chuck333]

You just have to keep hammering your resorting to insults and name calling.
What do rules of debate say about that?

The rule is to make the debate entertaining not informative. Treat it like a game show instead of a test of knowledge. The mindless sheeple will eat it up and elect you and your stupid haircut to the presidency.

 

[HazyShades]

You just have to keep hammering your resorting to insults and name calling.
What do rules of debate say about that?

Debate!?
You don't know the first thing about debate..If you did, maybe,
just maybe you would keep your retorts in context to the actual subject matter
and stop spewing off the cuff leftist propaganda especially when totally out of context.

Now if you like I'll dig up my copy of Robert's Rules of Order
and wipe the forum floor with it and your stupidity.

 

[Time]

The rule is to make the debate entertaining not informative. Treat it like a game show instead of a test of knowledge. The mindless sheeple will eat it up and elect you and your stupid haircut to the presidency.

Actually, the rule is that you must be a US citizen to vote for the US President and most of us don't give a fuck what you think if you can't vote so the debate is pretty much moot, on your end anyway.

 

[voicenyerhed]

BBC has no dog in the race & vanity fair used multiple references including government references. As for DOJ, you can't get more biased that an agency governing itself so that would not be a considered a primary source without bias. Fact is, there is no such thing as a non biased source, just less biased. That's a fact based on historical record. You will maintain your biases & I will maintain mine, I suppose. I believe I tend to look to multiple sources, this reducing my biases & giving me a more accurate look at reality. But that's just me.

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[Time]

BBC has no dog in the race & vanity fair used multiple references including government references. As for DOJ, you can't get more biased that an agency governing itself so that would not be a considered a primary source without bias. Fact is, there is no such thing as a non biased source, just less biased. That's a fact based on historical record. You will maintain your biases & I will maintain mine, I suppose. I believe I tend to look to multiple sources, this reducing my biases & giving me a more accurate look at reality. But that's just me.

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But you were the one that claimed "statistically".

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain.

Statistics today are often like polls today. A statistician or pollster can tweek the results by accounting for this or that and not accounting for other things. That's why polls are often wrong and people no longer believe statistics at face value.

Here is an example. The DOJ numbers are the only numbers anyone has. You don't trust the DOJ numbers, but you trust the numbers of others,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that tweeked their numbers from the DOJ numbers. Adjusted for the percentage of minorities..........................

Explain that. The BBC did not get reports from every US sherrif, police chief, FBI, and other LE to get their own numbers. What reports we have are only from the DOJ and not everybody reports.

 

[HazyShades]

BBC has no dog in the race & vanity fair used multiple references including government references. As for DOJ, you can't get more biased that an agency governing itself so that would not be a considered a primary source without bias. Fact is, there is no such thing as a non biased source, just less biased. That's a fact based on historical record. You will maintain your biases & I will maintain mine, I suppose. I believe I tend to look to multiple sources, this reducing my biases & giving me a more accurate look at reality. But that's just me.

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I again suggest you do more research.
I have worked in journalism and radio/TV broadcast journalism as well as production.
My major in college was journalism and I was editor of the college rag.
The BBC is a state run broadcaster which leans so far to the left it's amazing they don't topple over.

Vanity Fair? Washington Post? Snopes! Holy shit man why don't you get your factoids from
Salon and be done with it?
While true that most media outlets have some kind of bias
it is also true that many aren't biased and remember the 5 W's and the need to be unbiased when reporting news.
The sources you quote don't indulge in journalism they indulge in editorializing.

The DoJ has no financial interest in their reports. They report police data.
Are you saying that cops report that more whites commit crime than blacks do
even though that is contrary to the argument police would make in justifying their killing
more blacks if that was indeed the case?

While I'm not suggesting that you get your facts from Fox
I am suggesting that you get some real facts and stop believing "fake news",
that's if you really expect some respect around here.

 

[HazyShades]

Actually, the rule is that you must be a US citizen to vote for the US President and most of us don't give a fuck what you think if you can't vote so the debate is pretty much moot, on your end anyway.

I blocked the Canadian comedian. It's funnier if I think you're arguing with yourself.

 

[The Cromwell]

Debate!?
You don't know the first thing about debate..If you did, maybe,
just maybe you would keep your retorts in context to the actual subject matter
and stop spewing off the cuff leftist propaganda especially when totally out of context.

Now if you like I'll dig up my copy of Robert's Rules of Order
and wipe the forum floor with it and your stupidity.

LOL you jump when I throw out de bait.
Hook line and sinker

 

[HazyShades]

LOL you jump when I throw out de bait.
Hook line and sinker

Is that what y'all call having the courtesy to reply in Kentuck?
Dude, in my neck of the swamp we use humans as gator and/or shark bait.
You think I take your silly comments as bait you must have missed the part where I said
I trained attack dogs for close to 15 years.
Try as much as you like you cannot agitate a professional agitator.

 

[Tpat591]

I do believe that there are some government conspiracies out there that result and instigate atrocities in our country against our own people and those of other nations, I just don't stray as far from the main as you do. Everything you mention above is a bit too outlandish for me, and I am not saying that you are completely wrong but I would require some actual proof to believe any of it. And everything I have seen to support this has been lacking in evidence. But I said what I said simply as a jab to irritate you, which is what made it immature and unproductive.

Fair enough.

I was the same way until I couldn't figure out why everyone was acting crazy just because Trump won the election so I started a deep dive on these things to understand why. My whole world changed. Now I cannot believe all these things go on regularly right in front of everyone all the time and no one knows. I felt like an idiot for being so gullible all those years. Still do. One you see the truth, the ramifications are scary as hell so no one wants to see it, or accept it. Happened to all of us.

Please Do Me a Favor Though: watch this full video on Pearl Harbor and the events of 9-11 all the way through. It is strictly fact based so it does not contain many of the more outlandish theories (which I'm confident you will investigate on you own after watching this). This video includes the efforts of Popular Mechanics and other Debunkers and discusses both sides so it is very balanced. While long, you should at least be aware of these facts, especially if you served in one of the resulting conflicts.

After that suggest you watch this video that reviews ww1, ww2, JFK, & 9-11, but realize this was in all probability produced by Israel and greatly minimizes their own involvement in anything.

Charlottesville has been thoroughly debunked by citizen journalists in close to a hundred separate videos, but i'm not sure if anyone has pulled all the errors they made in that fiasco together into one video yet. I'll look though.

I really am confident that if you honestly watch the first video all the way through you will look at things differently.

PS the BBC announces that WTC7 had collapsed 1/2hr before it did with the building still standing behind the reporter because she was confused about the time and read the script too soon. That will tell you how trustworthy the BBC is.

 

[HazyShades]

LOL you jump when I throw out de bait.
Hook line and sinker

BTW, liking all of my posts where I disparage you will not put you in my good graces.

 

[Tpat591]

BBC has no dog in the race & vanity fair used multiple references including government references. As for DOJ, you can't get more biased that an agency governing itself so that would not be a considered a primary source without bias. Fact is, there is no such thing as a non biased source, just less biased. That's a fact based on historical record. You will maintain your biases & I will maintain mine, I suppose. I believe I tend to look to multiple sources, this reducing my biases & giving me a more accurate look at reality. But that's just me.

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DOJ publishes the government statistics all other info is derived from. They have a responsibility to Congress to do so accurately and all other statistical studies presented by the news outlets rely on these figures. DOJ is the source.

 

[The Cromwell]

BTW, liking all of my posts where I disparage you will not put you in my good graces.

You have good graces?

That was just a bit more bait.

 

[HazyShades]

BBC has no dog in the race

None of the assigned homework goes into the Rothschilds present abode,
the Bank of England or the reptilian lineage of the Queen of England, right?

 

[HazyShades]

You have good graces?

That was just a bit more bait.

Trying to turn your butthurt around? At least you stopped taking the bait
and are trying to recoup some honor.
Hint: You can't get back what you never had

 

[hellcatrydr]

BTW, liking all of my posts where I disparage you will not put you in my good graces.

I have the same problem with my... therapist.

 

[The Cromwell]

Trying to turn your butthurt around? At least you stopped taking the bait
and are trying to recoup some honor.
Hint: You can't get back what you never had

worst case of projection I have seen in a while.
My butt is fine. so fine.
Want to kiss it?
LMAO

 

[Tpat591]

It's strange. In Canada a Conservative is a person who believes in little government, low taxes, low government spending. That's about all. A Liberal believes in huge government, high taxes, spend like there's no tomorrow for "The public good". That's about all. I am a staunch Conservative here in Canada. If I were American, well, who knows?
In the U.S. it's really become painted quite differently. The fundamental ideologies probably stand for the most part but they've taken on a very unsavory smell. When you think of things most people would find loathsome you can almost always assign these ideologies by party. Similarly when you think of admirable traits they too can be assigned by party. It's very strange the way the U.S. parties have an entire identity association outside of governance.

From the first election held on earth there were those trying to figure out how to control the results in their favor. This was perfected long before our countries were founded. Your parties are as much an illusion as ours are. Your masters want you to have the illusion of control. You are just as fucked as the rest of us.

You just haven't figured it out yet.

 

[Tpat591]

None of the assigned homework goes into the Rothschilds present abode,
the Bank of England or the reptilian lineage of the Queen of England, right?

When did I say that? Must have been a bad edit of that poor naive veteran's post.

 

[HazyShades]

I have the same problem with my... therapist.

View attachment 94123

We all know about your strange perverted habits, Shark.
That's okay, we don't even mind where you live either...

 

[HazyShades]

When did I say that? Must have been a bad edit of that poor naive veteran's post.

No, I quoted from your reply to the dude with a voice in his head...I knew you'd get confused about it and
I still did it...

 

[HazyShades]

From the first election held on earth there were those trying to figure out how to control the results in their favor. This was perfected long before our countries were founded. Your parties are as much an illusion as ours are. Your masters want you to have the illusion of control. You are just as fucked as the rest of us.

You just haven't figured it out yet.

ECF has a new rating system they're using. There's likes, agree, winner, disagree, love...that's a winner

 

[HazyShades]

worst case of projection I have seen in a while.
My butt is fine. so fine.
Want to kiss it?
LMAO

I knew you were beating around the bush out of context and irrelevantly
trying to come up with the courage to come on to me.
No thanks. I prefer peanut butter vape. Try Sharkvape, he's weird that way..

 

[hellcatrydr]

We all know about your strange perverted habits, Shark.

For the last time... tattooed midget latex gymnastics is not perverted.

 

[HazyShades]

For the last time... tattooed midget latex gymnastics is not perverted.

I just read, "tattooed midget mice".
As long as what/whoever is a midget and not a gnome I do not care
whether you prefer latex, couch 'tater mice, or you like tattoos in B&W shoe leather ink or Technicolor.
Don't mess with the gnomes though. Take Cromwell instead, while he might not be a physical midget
mentally he fits the description to a Tee.

 

[Tpat591]

ECF has a new rating system they're using. There's likes, agree, winner, disagree, love...that's a winner

ECF is completely & utterly cucked in the Outside. They live by the illusion of propaganda as fact and Fox is fiction. Just no talking to those schills. Between Bones and SurfMonkey your better off beating your head against a brick wall. Some of the others aren't too bad though and can at least maintain an illusion of rationality .

 

[Tpat591]

No, I quoted from your reply to the dude with a voice in his head...I knew you'd get confused about it and
I still did it...

You knew I'd call you on it.

 

[Time]

DOJ publishes the government statistics all other info is derived from. They have a responsibility to Congress to do so accurately and all other statistical studies presented by the news outlets rely on these figures. DOJ is the source.

He actually should have read the BBC article.

"Although the FBI does gather some data on fatal shootings, police forces are not obliged to provide it, and only some of them do. This led the Washington Post to start tracking civilian deaths itself after the shooting of Michael Brown by police in Ferguson in August 2014, by monitoring reports in the media."

The problem is, the media does not report most white people being killed by cops. It's not a true stat.

"The truth is that the raw statistics can't tell us whether the police are treating African Americans differently from white people."

 

[voicenyerhed]

I again suggest you do more research.
I have worked in journalism and radio/TV broadcast journalism as well as production.
My major in college was journalism and I was editor of the college rag.
The BBC is a state run broadcaster which leans so far to the left it's amazing they don't topple over.

Vanity Fair? Washington Post? Snopes! Holy shit man why don't you get your factoids from
Salon and be done with it?
While true that most media outlets have some kind of bias
it is also true that many aren't biased and remember the 5 W's and the need to be unbiased when reporting news.
The sources you quote don't indulge in journalism they indulge in editorializing.

The DoJ has no financial interest in their reports. They report police data.
Are you saying that cops report that more whites commit crime than blacks do
even though that is contrary to the argument police would make in justifying their killing
more blacks if that was indeed the case?

While I'm not suggesting that you get your facts from Fox
I am suggesting that you get some real facts and stop believing "fake news",
that's if you really expect some respect around here.

I was a history major in college. Far more accountable than journalism & the first thing they teach is that there is NO such thing as an unbiased source. Not only is this taught, but it is inherrently true due to human nature. It is not possible for people to keep their biases out. They will always come through in some way. So to tell me that there is a media source out there that does not tells me that you have not done your research. We can all go to whatever sources we want. I may view one as less bias than what you view as unbiased & or differing opinions will likely be due to our personal experience which makes us biased. Fact is, I have lived all across the country & in many different settings & those experiences do influence me, just as yours do you, which is why we will never see eye to eye. I have personally witnessed Joe Arpio's racism in Arizona first hand, as well as been first hand witness to police racism in Baltimore, St Louis, and Washington DC. These experiences will always remind me to look beyond myself for the truth. I don't believe you are doing that. You don't like what you read so you look for someone that is writing what helps you make your point.

And as far as respect, it was made clear that no one has any for me from the get go since I don't agree with what is being said.

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[The Cromwell]

In this thread unless you adore Trump you are stupid, ridiculed, etc.
Typical Trump follower behavior.

 

[voicenyerhed]

In this thread unless you adore Trump you are stupid, ridiculed, etc.
Typical Trump follower behavior.

I've noticed!

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[Rossum]

ECF is completely & utterly cucked in the Outside. They live by the illusion of propaganda as fact and Fox is fiction. Just no talking to those schills. Between Bones and SurfMonkey your better off beating your head against a brick wall. Some of the others aren't too bad though and can at least maintain an illusion of rationality .

So I'm "not too bad though".

 

[The Cromwell]

Smokey is pretty much the only Trumpeteer on here who behaves himself.
Pretty much all the rest desperately attempt to squash all dissent.
Pretty much the same way Trump acts....

 

[The Cromwell]

So I'm "not too bad though".

Rossum is a voice of reason
We do not always agree but he does not resort to wishing I had been aborted or alluding to incest in family tree and such.

 

[The Cromwell]

Arthur is a bit of a Trump nut, but not nasty and mean.

 

[voicenyerhed]

Smokey is pretty much the only Trumpeteer on here who behaves himself.
Pretty much all the rest desperately attempt to squash all dissent.
Pretty much the same way Trump acts....

Funny thing is in not an Obama or Clinton fan either, but I've never been attacked by their supporters for disagreeing.

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[The Cromwell]

Funny thing is in not an Obama or Clinton fan either, but I've never been attacked by their supporters for disagreeing.

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funny how that works isn't it.
I actually voted Libertarian the last few times as a protest vote. could not bring myself to vote for either main party.
And had the libertarian nut won (fat chance) it would have been fun to watch.
I am registered as unaffiliated as to party.