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KDodds

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You are missing the entire point or else you are trying your best to ignore the entire point......The citizens, and only the citizens have a right to make policy...what is under attack is the concept of self determination...the german peoples biggest problem is that the people are having their right to self determination stolen from them.
I'm not ignoring it. It's a grossly oversimplified opinion. The very same can be said, and is said, about the government of the US. Generally, though, it's an opinion flowing from more "out there" theories that are based more on conspiratorial hypotheses than fact. No doubt, the EU has been bad for Germany, but it's hardly a monarchy or oligarchy.
 

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I'm not ignoring it. It's a grossly oversimplified opinion. The very same can be said, and is said, about the government of the US. Generally, though, it's an opinion flowing from more "out there" theories that are based more on conspiratorial hypotheses than fact. No doubt, the EU has been bad for Germany, but it's hardly a monarchy or oligarchy.
what idiocy...this policy was made by Merkel against the wishes of the people it is that fucking simple....Merkel invited these hordes in....and Merkels party is getting its ass kicked in the polls and is losing political power..wake up call booksmart boy the EU is going down in flames.BREXIT
 
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Surely you can't be serious? Getting off repeatedly without being charged despite overwhelming evidence is nowhere near being accused by someone grubbing money 20 years after she alleges being attacked with no evidence whatsoever. Trump also does not have the huge number of convenient deaths that surround the Clintons on all sides going back to their Arkansas roots. Please. Now, maybe if you compared Hillary to Iran/Contra, maybe you'd have something. But with the Clintons, it's not one quashed scandal, but scandal after scandal.
Oh, don't worry. The Clintons are all up in this scandal too. The allegations stem from parties hosted by Jeffery Epstien. He's a convicted pedophile who hosted sex parties for the wealthy where underage girls were readily available. Bill (surprise surprise) flew on his plane many times and testimony in the case revealed that Trump flew on it as well. Also, one of the victims in the case was recruited while working at (wait for it) Trump's Mar A Lago resort.

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KDodds

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what idiocy...this policy was made by Merkel against the wishes of the people it is that fucking simple....Merkel invited these hordes in....and Merkels party is getting its ass kicked in the polls and is losing political power..
<sigh> Merkel is the chancellor, part of the executive branch, equal to our president in the US. All legislative decisions are made through the Bundestag and Bundesrat (the equivalent of the US senate and house). Germany, like the US, is a republic, not a pure democracy. Thus, "the people" haven't had a say in day-to-day decisions since the government was installed, just like the US. This has nothing to do with Merkel.
 

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yeah Bill has privte chats with the DOJ about grandbbies, and the head of the FBI worked for companies that contributed to the Clinton foundation...yeah no fire there boys and girls swallow your kool-aid and move along. We impeached and villified Richard Nixon for erasing 18 minutes of an audio tape,and Hilary erases 30,000 emails and the democrats nominate for president and the entire media ignores it.
And your story is the media ignores it, huh? Here, let me help you out.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Hillary+Clinton+email+scandal

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<sigh> Merkel is the chancellor, part of the executive branch, equal to our president in the US. All legislative decisions are made through the Bundestag and Bundesrat (the equivalent of the US senate and house). Germany, like the US, is a republic, not a pure democracy. Thus, "the people" haven't had a say in day-to-day decisions since the government was installed, just like the US. This has nothing to do with Merkel.
you are so full of shit it reeks....sigh...Merkel is an ex member of the east german stasi...she was an intimate cog in the machenery of a repressive totalitarian state.and she still is one....most people with an IQ above squash kinda figured that out.Angela Merkel has no more respect for the idea of the republic than Obama does...
 

KDodds

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And your story is the media ignores it, huh? Here, let me help you out.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Hillary+Clinton+email+scandal

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You are aware that the ONLY reason the Clinton scandal(s) have more longevity in the news than Iran/Contra is because there have been so many of over so many decades, right? Try Clinton body count. Even ignoring the tinfoil hat aspects, the count of convenient deaths surrounding them and their pre-scandals and scandals is more than alarming.
 

trlrtrash13

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You are aware that the ONLY reason the Clinton scandal(s) have more longevity in the news than Iran/Contra is because there have been so many of over so many decades, right? Try Clinton body count. Even ignoring the tinfoil hat aspects, the count of convenient deaths surrounding them and their pre-scandals and scandals is more than alarming.
Why would I ignore the tin foil hat aspect? Think about it. The original list contained 24 names, yet one of those was Ron Brown who died in a plane crash with 34 other people. How did he get on the list and not the rest? You've got "victims" on there that were murdered in a robbery that a guy is in prison for. You have a "victim" on there who died of a heart attack while in solitary confinement in a prison. If you separate the tin foil hat aspect, than all you have is a randomly assembled list of obituaries.

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KDodds

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you are so full of shit it reeks....sigh...Merkel is an ex member of the east german stasi...she was an intimate cog in the machenery of a repressive totalitarian state.and she still is one....most people with an IQ above squash kinda figured that out.Angela Merkel has no more respect for the idea of the republic than Obama does...
Strawman. Facts are facts. Merkel does not have the political position to make legislative decisions. Regardless of how you feel about her, biased or unbiased, the current form of republican government that allows for a parliament to make decisions for the people has existed since before she was born. No doubt, she's been terrible for Germany. No doubt the "globalist" ideology has been terrible for Germany. But that's still not their biggest problem atm. In fact, there are many problems in Germany's future, not the least of which is their aging (almost half the country is at or approaching retirement age) population, exorbitant tax rates that still can not continue to support socialized institutions especially with consideration towards their population age, unrealistic duties of up to almost 50% in attempts to prevent "dumping" of foreign goods into the market, thereby keeping item prices higher, post duty taxing on cost of goods, shipping, AND duty (yes, they charge tax on tax). All of these things pre-exist Merkel. Many of these things are or are related to, supporting the oppositions' nationalistic ideologies. As I said earlier, it's not that simple.
 

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Why would I ignore the tin foil hat aspect? Think about it. The original list contained 24 names, yet one of those was Ron Brown who died in a plane crash with 34 other people. How did he get on the list and not the rest? You've got "victims" on there that were murdered in a robbery that a guy is in prison for. You have a "victim" on there who died of a heart attack while in solitary confinement in a prison. If you separate the tin foil hat aspect, than all you have is a randomly assembled list of obituaries.

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you are insane...but hey I lived in SF for 12 years, and so I'm used to seeing lunatics roaming around unattended., but even most democrats have made the painfull transition to reality concerning Hillbillary...but please dont let me intrude on your fantasies....carry on....LOL
 

KDodds

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Why would I ignore the tin foil hat aspect? Think about it. The original list contained 24 names, yet one of those was Ron Brown who died in a plane crash with 34 other people. How did he get on the list and not the rest? You've got "victims" on there that were murdered in a robbery that a guy is in prison for. You have a "victim" on there who died of a heart attack while in solitary confinement in a prison. If you separate the tin foil hat aspect, than all you have is a randomly assembled list of obituaries.

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No, what you have is a decidedly non-random list in that they are all connected to Clinton scandals or pre-scandals, and all deaths were convenient, many very convenient, to the Clinton's current situations at the time. The sheer number of individuals and circumstances is far too large to be "randomly coincidental".
 

trlrtrash13

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guess you missed that whole wikileaks thing huh..may wanna look at it....seems the Media and Hilary have a special relationship.....
Didn't miss it at all. Your statement was that the media ignored her email scandal. While I was reading it I had my radio on CNN and they were discussing the email scandal.

Now if your assertion is that the media treats Hillary better than Trump, I would agree with that. Of course FOX is the Trump News Network and MSNBC is the media wing of the Democratic Party, but those two pretty much cancel each other out leaving the rest of the media biased towards Hillary.

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Strawman. Facts are facts. Merkel does not have the political position to make legislative decisions. Regardless of how you feel about her, biased or unbiased, the current form of republican government that allows for a parliament to make decisions for the people has existed since before she was born. No doubt, she's been terrible for Germany. No doubt the "globalist" ideology has been terrible for Germany. But that's still not their biggest problem atm. In fact, there are many problems in Germany's future, not the least of which is their aging (almost half the country is at or approaching retirement age) population, exorbitant tax rates that still can not continue to support socialized institutions especially with consideration towards their population age, unrealistic duties of up to almost 50% in attempts to prevent "dumping" of foreign goods into the market, thereby keeping item prices higher, post duty taxing on cost of goods, shipping, AND duty (yes, they charge tax on tax). All of these things pre-exist Merkel. Many of these things are or are related to, supporting the oppositions' nationalistic ideologies. As I said earlier, it's not that simple.
globalist clap trap..all you are vomitting out are the globalist propoganda for the reason they are creating genocide in Germany...this is a country which has faced far more desperate conditions than the ones you named and profitted from them, this is a country that within ten years after the second world war turned its back on socialism and with a nation in absolute ruins its infastrucre reduced to rubble became the strongest economy in europe while the english experimnet in socialism drove its economy into the crapper...what you parrot is just globalist propoganda its the new Manifest Destiny bullshit being sold to the West....merkel is a paid fliuky of the global elite as is every member of her party as is the members of our political elite or are you so naive to think otherwise.they all dance to the tune they are paid to and ignore the people's right to self determination.
the definition of a republic
a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

which part of...supreme power is held by the people.....are you having trouble wrapping your head around

The problems facing Germany are irrelevant...the only thing that is relevant is that the solutions are made by the German people...no matter how amazing you or Merkel of the globalist scum who control merkel, think you all are, it is up to the German people to create a German solution and not have that decision stolen from them .
 
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Didn't miss it at all. Your statement was that the media ignored her email scandal. While I was reading it I had my radio on CNN and they were discussing the email scandal.

Now if your assertion is that the media treats Hillary better than Trump, I would agree with that. Of course FOX is the Trump News Network and MSNBC is the media wing of the Democratic Party, but those two pretty much cancel each other out leaving the rest of the media biased towards Hillary.

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good luck selling that load of shit......but from what I can see there.s no takers except for dried up old lesbian femminists and illegal aliens....
 

trlrtrash13

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No, what you have is a decidedly non-random list in that they are all connected to Clinton scandals or pre-scandals, and all deaths were convenient, many very convenient, to the Clinton's current situations at the time. The sheer number of individuals and circumstances is far too large to be "randomly coincidental".
It may be convenient for the Clinton's that Ron Brown's plane crashed, but he's only on the list because of tin foil hats. It might be convenient that Vince Foster committed suicide, but multiple law enforcement agencies and Ken Starr all investigated it and ruled it a suicide.

Here. Do this for me. Present to me one single shred of evidence that the Clintons had any involvement in any of these deaths. One eyewitness account, one hit man paid off, one murder weapon in their possession, any evidence like that.

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trlrtrash13

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good luck selling that load of shit......but from what I can see there.s no takers except for dried up old lesbian femminists and illegal aliens....
I was agreeing with your statement. Lol. You got issues, man.

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KDodds

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globalist clap trap..all you are vomitting out are the globalist propoganda for the reason they are creating genocide in Germany...this is a country which has faced far more desperate conditions than the ones you named and profitted from them, this is a country that within ten years after the second world war turned its back on socialism and with a nation in absolute ruins its infastrucre reduced to rubble became the strongest economy in europe while the english experimnet in socialism drove its economy into the crapper...what you parrot is just globalist propoganda its the new Manifest Destiny bullshit being sold to the West....merkel is a paid fliuky of the global elite as is every member of her party as is the members of our political elite or are you so naive to think otherwise.they all dance to the tune they are paid to and ignore the people's right to self determination.
the definition of a republic
a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

which part of...supreme power is held by the people.....are you having trouble wrapping your head around

The problems facing Germany are irrelevant...the only thing that is relevant is that the solutions are made by the German people...no matter how amazing you or Merkel of the globalist scum who control merkel, think you all are, it is up to the German people to create a German solution and not have that decision stolen from them .
Wow, just, wow. Sorry, I don't own a tinfoil hat and I don't speak irrational.
FWIW, I still have relatives and friends of relatives living there. None of them like Merkel, but all of them are rational folk, well, most of them, one was quite a bit off, but he passed away.
 

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Wow, just, wow. Sorry, I don't own a tinfoil hat and I don't speak irrational.
FWIW, I still have relatives and friends of relatives living there. None of them like Merkel, but all of them are rational folk, well, most of them, one was quite a bit off, but he passed away.
no you speak what the media pours into your head,it so much easier than thinking.....you have family how cute read a paper Merkel is getting her ass kicked....
 

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It may be convenient for the Clinton's that Ron Brown's plane crashed, but he's only on the list because of tin foil hats. It might be convenient that Vince Foster committed suicide, but multiple law enforcement agencies and Ken Starr all investigated it and ruled it a suicide.

Here. Do this for me. Present to me one single shred of evidence that the Clintons had any involvement in any of these deaths. One eyewitness account, one hit man paid off, one murder weapon in their possession, any evidence like that.

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you do realize that Al Capone was never convicted of murder, or extortion or smuggling right.....you do realize most organized crime families never see the inside of a jail right....
 

KDodds

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It may be convenient for the Clinton's that Ron Brown's plane crashed, but he's only on the list because of tin foil hats. It might be convenient that Vince Foster committed suicide, but multiple law enforcement agencies and Ken Starr all investigated it and ruled it a suicide.

Here. Do this for me. Present to me one single shred of evidence that the Clintons had any involvement in any of these deaths. One eyewitness account, one hit man paid off, one murder weapon in their possession, any evidence like that.

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Over 50 bodies directly tied to the Clintons who conveniently died before they could become more troublesome. Seriously? There's more suspicious and/or convenient death surrounding the Clintons than most mafia dons. Evidence is for conviction, not suspicion. And when the evidence would depend solely on eyewitness testimony and those eyewitnesses continue to conveniently die? Well, isn't that just WAY more suspicious to you? If not, you've got your head way up that donkey's ass. How many brutal, violent deaths, most of GSWs or plane related, can possibly be tied to one couple? Especially when those deaths benefit that couple's current legal troubles? Seriously? Evidence?

1 – James McDougal – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

2 – Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3 – Vince Foster – Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

5 – C. Victor Raiser II and Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6 – Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992… Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor.”

7- Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8 – Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9 – James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

10 – James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

11- Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12 – Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

13 – Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14 – Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15 – Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16 – Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

17 – Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18 – Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno three weeks before his death

19 – Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.

20 – Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21- Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22 – Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee, died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

23 – Barry Seal – Drug running pilot out of Mena, Arkansas, death was no accident.

24 – Johnny Lawhorn Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25 – Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

26- Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

27 – Kevin Ives and Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the two boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28 – Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 1988.

29 – Keith McMaskle – Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

30 – Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31 – Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

33 – James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to “natural causes.”

34 – Jordan Kettleson – Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

35 – Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD: 36 – Major William S. Barkley Jr. 37 – Captain Scott J. Reynolds 38 – Sgt. Brian Hanley 39 – Sgt. Tim Sabel 40 – Major General William Robertson 41 – Col. William Densberger 42 – Col. Robert Kelly 43 – Spec. Gary Rhodes 44 – Steve Willis 45 – Robert Williams 46 – Conway LeBleu 47 – Todd McKeehan

48 -World-renowned “space economist” Molly Macauly was brutally murdered in Baltimore park.

49-John Ashe- The former President of the UN General Assembly was awaiting trial on bribery charges when he turned up dead in June, apparently having crushed his own windpipe while lifting weights in his home…

50-Victor Thorn-Prominent CLINTON Critic VICTOR THORN Found Dead Of Apparent Suicide On His Birthday

51-Seth Rich-Still No Clues in Murder of DNC’s Seth Rich, As Conspiracy Theories Thicken

52- Joe Montano-Filipino American activist and aide to Sen. Kaine, dies at 47

53-Shawn Lucas-Death of DNC Lawsuit Processor Shawn Lucas Adds to Seth Rich Conspiracy Theories
 

trlrtrash13

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Evidence is for conviction, not suspicion.
Exactly. No evidence, just allegations. And if you think about it, which you clearly haven't, the numbers really aren't in your favor. What are the odds that one couple killed that many people without one person coming forward, one murder weapon being discovered, one person turning state's evidence to save their own skin?

I've presented you with evidence that the Clinton's had nothing to do with some of these crimes, yet you continue with your suspicions. The plane crash that killed Ron Brown was investigated by 2 different agencies, one U.S. and one international, both concluding that the plane lacked the required navigation equipment for the landing it attempted causing the crash. There was a hole in his skull. One hole. Meaning, an entry wound but no exit wound. Since no bullet was found in him, that means whatever entered his skull exited through the same hole. In other words, some part of the plane that crashed.

Listen, you can wear your tin foil hat with pride for all I care, but when you imply that I have my head up the Democrats ass because I have evidence from investigations that disregards your completely unsubstantiated suspicions, the problem is yours not mine. Here's a memo you might have missed, but everybody that you have ever been associated with will die at some point. I guess that makes you a mass murderer?
 

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Exactly. No evidence, just allegations. And if you think about it, which you clearly haven't, the numbers really aren't in your favor. What are the odds that one couple killed that many people without one person coming forward, one murder weapon being discovered, one person turning state's evidence to save their own skin?

I've presented you with evidence that the Clinton's had nothing to do with some of these crimes, yet you continue with your suspicions. The plane crash that killed Ron Brown was investigated by 2 different agencies, one U.S. and one international, both concluding that the plane lacked the required navigation equipment for the landing it attempted causing the crash. There was a hole in his skull. One hole. Meaning, an entry wound but no exit wound. Since no bullet was found in him, that means whatever entered his skull exited through the same hole. In other words, some part of the plane that crashed.

Listen, you can wear your tin foil hat with pride for all I care, but when you imply that I have my head up the Democrats ass because I have evidence from investigations that disregards your completely unsubstantiated suspicions, the problem is yours not mine. Here's a memo you might have missed, but everybody that you have ever been associated with will die at some point. I guess that makes you a mass murderer?
Without one person coming forward? Those that have come forward are, well, dead. (see list)

There's no "evidence" that can ever prove a negative. Lack of evidence for a positive, yes, not proof of negative. The forensic pathologist concluded that the hole was "consistent with a GSW", not the tinfoil hats, the pathologist. Testing after the fact resulted in the hole being ruled BFT. Doesn't change the fact either that he was Cinton's appointed Secretary of Commerce AND under independent investigation at the time. An experienced pilot crashing into a mountainside is decidedly suspicious in and of itself.

Everyone I know will die. Most of them from natural causes. Probably none of them from GSWs, exploding planes, plane crashes, 113 stab wounds, slit throats, gunshots to the back of the head ruled suicides, and so on, much less 53 of them connected to my legal troubles dying in that fashion. I have to repeat, if you don't see the problem, well...

Please keep in mind, I'm not hurling accusations or alleging cover-ups. What I am saying is that when alleged former lovers who are pregnant and allegedly about to spill the beans die of suicides from gunshot wounds to the back of the head, and that there are 52 more of these types of deaths, in connection with a single major political couple, the investigation should be as intensive and public as possible. No such investigation has ever occurred. Almost all of the cases have been closed individually. And because no one really has jurisdiction to reopen them as one case, such an investigation will never happen.

Instead we have farcical pseudo-investigations, which are hardly surprising, we've had them before on both sides of the aisle. But we've never had a body count like the above.
 

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And the Hillary case? She did the same thing Rice and Powell did, and she was investigated and never charged.

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She didntt do what rice and powell did they had personal accounts for personal use . She had a personal account for everything including top secret information .that fucking congress cant even see now !!

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Of course I'm serious. Did you even read what I wrote? I said she shouldn't be President.

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Your tone is that of a defender of her . Like saying powell did the same as her wich you know is a lie . Or trump was charged with rape like bubbas many indecretions

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There are plenty of great arguments against Trump, but I understand what you mean about supporters of a Candidate ignoring their own candidate's problems. Kinda like how you are ignoring that Trump has ongoing lawsuits for everything from fraud to rape.

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There is a world of difference between some money grab frivolous lawsuit against a company where you think you can score a few bucks and an fbi investigation along with congressional committee hearings involving destruction of evidence in a national security and government pay for play schemes. If you can't see that difference, shillary's your candidate.

You wouldn't even have heard about the Trump U lawsuit garbage if he hadn't been running for office. I'm sure shillary has done plenty that isn't 100% lawful. If she or slick willy fudged on their taxes, I don't care. If they had some sort of 'as seen on tv' college affiliation, I wouldn't care. If she lies about her weight or natural hair color or wears a wig and claims it's her own ratty hair, I don't care.

When she sets up a private server and employs people with 0 security clearance and some bofunk local two bit server farm in Colorado to store our country's top secret info? I care. When places like Saudi Arabia and Iran can buy their way into our politics via her 'charity' or pay off our sec of state to look the other way and not ask questions, I care. When her failed actions and lies get American soldiers and ambassadors killed and she and her staff try to cover it up? I care. Compared to shillary Trump doesn't have any problem. His biggest problem is a liberal blind media and it's become so blatant it's not even a joke anymore. It's just sad.

It's kind of like asking why I don't like the neighbor to one side of me and saying because they're incompetent and negligent and people get killed because of them. Then getting some lame pushback argument that "well you know your other neighbor sneaks candy bars even though they're diabetic". Really? Well now that we've evened that up, let me extend my sympathy to the murderer. Derp logic at best.
 

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As far as shillary's email scandal being carried on longer than the iran contra issue, not from my recollection. I seem to recall Oliver North in proceedings and hearings that never ended, shillary's appeared at what one or two? Hell Ollie North probably had a cot and blanket in the courtroom. He certainly didn't smart off with 'oh, you mean like with a cloth?'. He was a whipping boy for that ordeal for years.
 

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As far as shillary's email scandal being carried on longer than the iran contra issue, not from my recollection. I seem to recall Oliver North in proceedings and hearings that never ended, shillary's appeared at what one or two? Hell Ollie North probably had a cot and blanket in the courtroom. He certainly didn't smart off with 'oh, you mean like with a cloth?'. He was a whipping boy for that ordeal for years.
That was exactly my point. The only reason why the "Clinton scandal" seems never ending is because it's just one scandal after another. When there are that many issues, it's got to be more "Teflon Don" than actual innocence that gets you off. They've gotten caught many times, it's just never stuck.
 

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The statistics of that many people, especially bodyguards dying off around 2 Political Figures really stretches causality theory to the breaking point.
 

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I will vote for Trump.

I am NOT a Trump supporter.

I will not vote for the party of slavery... Hibillary just confirms this.

I will not vote for a progressive.. regardless the party. Republican Democrat or Libertarian. The only thing that qualifies Gary as libertarian is his stance on That which will not be discussed here.

The main reason I will vote Trump is because..... He doesn't need the job to be relevant or have his place in history. He is the only one who stands to loose more by winning the election. And knows it.


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The statistics of that many people, especially bodyguards dying off around 2 Political Figures really stretches causality theory to the breaking point.
Bodyguards in their late 20s 30s and 40s not like natural causes or old age

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Have no idea who I will vote for but I feel like I am being asked,"Would you like to be shot in the head or the heart?". Both would suck so just choose one and stick with it.
 

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And the Hillary case? She did the same thing Rice and Powell did, and she was investigated and never charged.

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There is that whole secret meeting in the plane with the would be prosecuter and billy boy with the Hillary case. And the boss of the prosecuter happens to be campaigning for hitlery. You know, Obama.

You got anything that says the prosecuter was chummy with Trump in the Trump rape accusations?

I don't see an apples to apples comparison. Sorry. One is clearly better than the other.
 

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Funny the asshole with the bombs in NY here was not on a list he sued the police for harassment. You know islamaphobic deplorables . What a joke ! polictical correctness at its best .

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There is that whole secret meeting in the plane with the would be prosecuter and billy boy with the Hillary case. And the boss of the prosecuter happens to be campaigning for hitlery. You know, Obama.

You got anything that says the prosecuter was chummy with Trump in the Trump rape accusations?

I don't see an apples to apples comparison. Sorry. One is clearly better than the other.
Of course there is. Just like Florida was investigating Trump U for fraud. 4 days after the newspaper article announced it, a check for $25,000 was written by Donald Trump landed in the PAC for Pam Bondi, Florida's Attorney General. Within a month, she announced they would not be taking action against Trump. A similar thing happened in Texas.

As far as Trump goes, there has never been a prosecutor in his alleged rapes, even when his wife testified in court that he had raped her, no criminal charges were ever filed. Remind you of anyone? Perhaps Bill Clinton? Only the Clinton case is a little different. Juanita Broaddrick actually testified in court that there never was a relationship between her and Bill, but she later changed her story outside of court. Ivana Trump accused Trump in court of rape, and recanted her story later outside of court.

I'm not saying Hillary isn't corrupt. Of course she is. What's your point? So is Trump. Remember the 3rd Republican debate when he was asked about his donations to Hillary? He said he didn't donate because he supported her, it was a business move. He donated because then she would owe him favors, and "believe me", when he calls in his favors he gets them. They're cut from the same cloth, these two. Both of them are as corrupt as the day is long.
 

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Of course there is. Just like Florida was investigating Trump U for fraud. 4 days after the newspaper article announced it, a check for $25,000 was written by Donald Trump landed in the PAC for Pam Bondi, Florida's Attorney General. Within a month, she announced they would not be taking action against Trump. A similar thing happened in Texas.

As far as Trump goes, there has never been a prosecutor in his alleged rapes, even when his wife testified in court that he had raped her, no criminal charges were ever filed. Remind you of anyone? Perhaps Bill Clinton? Only the Clinton case is a little different. Juanita Broaddrick actually testified in court that there never was a relationship between her and Bill, but she later changed her story outside of court. Ivana Trump accused Trump in court of rape, and recanted her story later outside of court.

I'm not saying Hillary isn't corrupt. Of course she is. What's your point? So is Trump. Remember the 3rd Republican debate when he was asked about his donations to Hillary? He said he didn't donate because he supported her, it was a business move. He donated because then she would owe him favors, and "believe me", when he calls in his favors he gets them. They're cut from the same cloth, these two. Both of them are as corrupt as the day is long.
When he gets a donation from the Saudis I'll listen.

I wonder how much of the $50 million the Clinton Fondation spent on expenses.. went to pay politicians or jus
t ended up on Hilbill's coffee table.

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Of course there is. Just like Florida was investigating Trump U for fraud. 4 days after the newspaper article announced it, a check for $25,000 was written by Donald Trump landed in the PAC for Pam Bondi, Florida's Attorney General. Within a month, she announced they would not be taking action against Trump. A similar thing happened in Texas.

As far as Trump goes, there has never been a prosecutor in his alleged rapes, even when his wife testified in court that he had raped her, no criminal charges were ever filed. Remind you of anyone? Perhaps Bill Clinton? Only the Clinton case is a little different. Juanita Broaddrick actually testified in court that there never was a relationship between her and Bill, but she later changed her story outside of court. Ivana Trump accused Trump in court of rape, and recanted her story later outside of court.

I'm not saying Hillary isn't corrupt. Of course she is. What's your point? So is Trump. Remember the 3rd Republican debate when he was asked about his donations to Hillary? He said he didn't donate because he supported her, it was a business move. He donated because then she would owe him favors, and "believe me", when he calls in his favors he gets them. They're cut from the same cloth, these two. Both of them are as corrupt as the day is long.
youre full of crap one is a murdering war criminal,and the other is not....you are just trying to justify your vote for an insane murdering,war criminal who is supported by almost every globalist billionaire on the planet as well as a helluva alot of the most represive states in the muslim world...just own it.
 

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When he gets a donation from the Saudis I'll listen.

I wonder how much of the $50 million the Clinton Fondation spent on expenses.. went to pay politicians or jus
t ended up on Hilbill's coffee table.

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and Hillbillary got 48 million from wall street.Trump nada.something like 19,000.00
 

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Your tone is that of a defender of her . Like saying powell did the same as her wich you know is a lie . Or trump was charged with rape like bubbas many indecretions

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Herein lies the problem. The facts don't back up your story. Here is Powell's statement in part on the emails.

“He was not aware of any restrictions nor does he recall being made aware of any over the four years he served at State,” the statement says. “He sent emails to his staff generally via their State Department email addresses. These emails should be on the State Department computers. He might have occasionally used personal email addresses, as he did when emailing to family and friends.”

The statement continues: “He did not take any hard copies of emails with him when he left office and has no record of the emails. They were all unclassified and mostly of a housekeeping nature. He came into office encouraging the use of emails as a way of getting the staff to embrace the new 21st information world.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...email-secretary-of-state-115707#ixzz4KkOo2o7l
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His statement wasn't that HE used a government server, it was that his staffers did thus the emails should be on a government server despite the fact that he did sometimes use a personal email address. He also admits that he didn't keep any records of those emails, just like Hillary destroyed hers. That is problematic, wouldn't you think? You can argue that Hillary's problems were more egregious, and I can't argue with you on that simply because Powell didn't face the kind of scrutiny that she did. He claims it was only occasional use, but the emails have conveniently been deleted so I guess we have to take his word for it. No Congressional oversight, no FBI investigation, and no private meetings on a plane. Why? Because nobody cared about this issue until Hillary did it, and those who care that she did it don't care that he did it.
 

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Bodyguards in their late 20s 30s and 40s not like natural causes or old age

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they all shot themselves i
Herein lies the problem. The facts don't back up your story. Here is Powell's statement in part on the emails.

“He was not aware of any restrictions nor does he recall being made aware of any over the four years he served at State,” the statement says. “He sent emails to his staff generally via their State Department email addresses. These emails should be on the State Department computers. He might have occasionally used personal email addresses, as he did when emailing to family and friends.”

The statement continues: “He did not take any hard copies of emails with him when he left office and has no record of the emails. They were all unclassified and mostly of a housekeeping nature. He came into office encouraging the use of emails as a way of getting the staff to embrace the new 21st information world.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...email-secretary-of-state-115707#ixzz4KkOo2o7l
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His statement wasn't that HE used a government server, it was that his staffers did thus the emails should be on a government server despite the fact that he did sometimes use a personal email address. He also admits that he didn't keep any records of those emails, just like Hillary destroyed hers. That is problematic, wouldn't you think? You can argue that Hillary's problems were more egregious, and I can't argue with you on that simply because Powell didn't face the kind of scrutiny that she did. He claims it was only occasional use, but the emails have conveniently been deleted so I guess we have to take his word for it. No Congressional oversight, no FBI investigation, and no private meetings on a plane. Why? Because nobody cared about this issue until Hillary did it, and those who care that she did it don't care that he did it.
youre pathetic.
 

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youre full of crap one is a murdering war criminal,and the other is not....you are just trying to justify your vote for an insane murdering,war criminal who is supported by almost every globalist billionaire on the planet as well as a helluva alot of the most represive states in the muslim world...just own it.
Funny you should bring that up. I am a Marine veteran, and my stepson is currently in the Marines. Trump lost any chance of getting my vote when he said he would order troops to kill the families of terrorists, which oh, by the way is a war crime. To your point, he hasn't committed any war crimes yet though, he simply campaigned on a promise to commit them later. Now suddenly you have a problem with war criminals?

And BTW, when you say she is supported by every globalist billionaire on the planet, I can't argue with that. Even Trump himself has donated to her campaigns, said she would make a great President, and said she would be his choice to negotiate the Iran deal. Oh, did you forget you were directly voting for a globalist billionaire?
 

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I will vote for Trump.

I am NOT a Trump supporter.

I will not vote for the party of slavery... Hibillary just confirms this.

I will not vote for a progressive.. regardless the party. Republican Democrat or Libertarian. The only thing that qualifies Gary as libertarian is his stance on That which will not be discussed here.

The main reason I will vote Trump is because..... He doesn't need the job to be relevant or have his place in history. He is the only one who stands to loose more by winning the election. And knows it.


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And that is perfectly fine. This is a terrible election with no good choice. There is a great case to be made by people like yourself who don't like Trump but can't vote for Hillary. Despite the fact that I'm being painted as a Hillary supporter here, I can't stand the bitch. I'm not sure how I will vote when the moment comes. There really is no good choice in this election, so one way or the other people are going to have to plug their noses and vote for one of these clowns.
 

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He used a gmail account for personal use all were recoverable. He did nothing remotly close to what hillary did.i find it problamatic that you would reach to such far extreme to say hillary did nothing wrong . Even IF he did as you say he should be in jail .just like she should life long goverment workers especially 4 star generals should and do have a basic understanding of the handiling of information . Two wrongs would still not make a right is what your missing . Your defence of her actions are ridiculous and childish . If powell jumped of a building would she? Get your facts straight and take another gulp of cool aid . This is why the clintions have run a successful crime family for so long its blind cult like followers like you !

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Of course there is. Just like Florida was investigating Trump U for fraud. 4 days after the newspaper article announced it, a check for $25,000 was written by Donald Trump landed in the PAC for Pam Bondi, Florida's Attorney General. Within a month, she announced they would not be taking action against Trump. A similar thing happened in Texas.

As far as Trump goes, there has never been a prosecutor in his alleged rapes, even when his wife testified in court that he had raped her, no criminal charges were ever filed. Remind you of anyone? Perhaps Bill Clinton? Only the Clinton case is a little different. Juanita Broaddrick actually testified in court that there never was a relationship between her and Bill, but she later changed her story outside of court. Ivana Trump accused Trump in court of rape, and recanted her story later outside of court.

I'm not saying Hillary isn't corrupt. Of course she is. What's your point? So is Trump. Remember the 3rd Republican debate when he was asked about his donations to Hillary? He said he didn't donate because he supported her, it was a business move. He donated because then she would owe him favors, and "believe me", when he calls in his favors he gets them. They're cut from the same cloth, these two. Both of them are as corrupt as the day is long.

Heh.

Paying a corrupt politician is not the same as being a corrupt politician.

I've threatened to stop donating to local politicians campaigns, if their actions were not in my interests. Not that I'm a big donor. Point being, unless one has no interest in public affairs, you take what influence you can get. You still have to live in this world,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the way it is. If the politicians are corrupt, that's what you have to live by.

That's not the same as being a corrupt politician. If your getting paid and allowing influence through it, you're the corrupt person.

I have not seen a case of Trump getting paid. I have seen a case of Hitlery getting paid.

I'm afraid that though it should not be that way, I have paid people that work the gates at some tracks to head my horses in the gates for races. We call it "tipping". It greatly reduces the chance of getting a bad start. I don't like it, but that's the way it works. If,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I want to win. Some tracks are not corrupt and tipping is not necissary or allowed. The gate crew at these "tipping" tracks would be considered corrupt. Me "tipping", gives me an equal shot with the rest of the field. I don't consider myself as corrupt. I have to run in the circumstances I'm given. Or I could take my horses and go home, with zero success.

So, while you may see Trump as corrupt for equallizing the field for himself, I see Trump as working within the corrupt system he has to work in to win. The politicians are corrupt, so "tipping" is required. Or he could take his business home and not succeed. I don't blame Trump for that, I blame the politician. Just like I do not blame my competitors that "tip" the header, I blame the tracks that allow it. While I will "tip" where it's necissary to be equal at a track, when I've worked at the gate myself, I could not be bought. I am not corrupt.

Now, you may be a black and white ideologically stubborn person. That's fine. But, I have seen zero evidence that Trump will take bribes for favors.

Paying a politician is not the same as a politician getting paid. If you can't see a difference, I think we're done here. You'll have lost credibility, at least with me. Trump donating to Hitlery is not the same as Hitlery taking donations for influence. If I was in Trump's position, I would donate, lest my competitors get more influence than I could. I certainly would not stay home and not compete. Not if I had a winning horse, and Trump obviously does.
 
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Powell dud not use Gmail at state he would have used AOL or hormail.. Mainly because Gmail did not exist at the time . Also the state department did not have email when he was secstate. The Internet just having been invented by AL Gore an all. Not even sure Google was a thing then.

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I get so sick of this bullshit right here. Neither Rice nor Powell set up and used an unsecure server on which they conducted all of their official business.
Well you can stay sick of it, because the reality is both of them used private email. You want to say it's different because they didn't do "all" of their business on it? Fine. So if I could produce one Hillary email from the government server you would cut her the same slack you cut them?

Rice is twice the woman Hillary is, and was a much better SOS, but if you're gonna call Hillary a criminal for using private email for state business, than you either call Rice the same or you're a fraud. And yes, you might get sick of being reminded of that, but that's your problem.

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Powell dud not use Gmail at state he would have used AOL or hormail.. Mainly because Gmail did not exist at the time . Also the state department did not have email when he was secstate. The Internet just having been invented by AL Gore an all. Not even sure Google was a thing then.

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Than how come he stated that he emailed people to their official accounts so the emails should have been documented?

Bottom line, it's not a debate. The fact is that an internal review discovered that both Powell and Rice used private email to handle classified information.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/secr...al-private-email-state-dept/story?id=37404084

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