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trlrtrash13

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He used a gmail account for personal use all were recoverable. He did nothing remotly close to what hillary did.i find it problamatic that you would reach to such far extreme to say hillary did nothing wrong . Even IF he did as you say he should be in jail .just like she should life long goverment workers especially 4 star generals should and do have a basic understanding of the handiling of information . Two wrongs would still not make a right is what your missing . Your defence of her actions are ridiculous and childish . If powell jumped of a building would she? Get your facts straight and take another gulp of cool aid . This is why the clintions have run a successful crime family for so long its blind cult like followers like you !

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You're putting words in my mouth. Read my posts. I'm not defending her. She's a crook. I'm saying she should be treated the same way others are. Now if you want to lock up all 3, go ahead, but since 2 weren't even hassled let alone charged, neither should she be. All 3 handled classified info on unsecured email accounts. Either way, it has to be noticed that nobody knew or cared about what Powell and Rice did until someone thought they could hang Hillary with it.

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I think the lack of intent as told by the fbi is horseshit. The difference between Powell and shillary, he used an account. She used a server. There is absolutely NO convenience aspect of physically having control over the physical hardware involved other than unfettered access to the physical media on which data is stored. Why? For destruction purposes as we've seen play out with the whole Platte River b.s. There's also the aspect of allowing others to take a peek without being in the email chain, having a look behind the curtain. Something someone can't do when using state hardware in a secured limited access location under lock and key.

When it comes to someone understanding the 'real' way things are done, I trust Trump. Mainly because he has gamed the system and contributed to various politicians. How can you even begin to fix a system if you don't know the first thing about how it works? It's kind of like grabbing someone from a pottery class and hoping they know how to take down a smuggling ring. Would you put your faith in a total noob who's as clueless as Johnson on Aleppo? Or trust an ex smuggler who might know the actual ins and outs?

In the past he's been a businessman and whether people think it's 'right' or 'wrong' there's nothing he could have done to put an end to the way things worked. Technically what he was doing wasn't illegal, he used legal loopholes to game the system. If those in power wanted them gone they wouldn't exist, Trump wasn't one of those people. He was just someone who took advantage of what others provided. You have to know the loopholes and understand how they work though if you expect to have half a chance at correcting them.

I'm not sure I see how a $25,000 donation to a pac is buying off the state's atty general. $25,000 is a fart in the wind with these people in their positions. Many of us think it's a lot of money but in those circles it's really not. It's kinda like trying to imply that Bondi was bought off because Trump bought her a shiny new car. If it was a top end mercedes, maybe. Not a ford focus with factory wheels lol. Just like it would be ridiculous to try and make a case that someone was trying to get in the bartender's pants by tipping her $10. That's just not 'get in your pants' money (and if it is, you probably don't want to be gaining that access).
 

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Rice never used email while working for the government.
. Her aides did she did not.

Besides.. when do two wrongs make it right. People have murdered and gotten away with it... therefore murder is OK to do.

If it was wrong for Powell or Rice. It was wrong. The fact no one complained or got in trouble... doesn't make it right for Hillary or wrong to prosecute her. He did it first... is not a legal defense.

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trlrtrash13

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Rice never used email while working for the government.
. Her aides did she did not.

Besides.. when do two wrongs make it right. People have murdered and gotten away with it... therefore murder is OK to do.

If it was wrong for Powell or Rice. It was wrong. The fact no one complained or got in trouble... doesn't make it right for Hillary or wrong to prosecute her. He did it first... is not a legal defense.

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Once again, I am not saying she was right. I'm saying she was wrong, and should be treated the same way others who were also wrong were treated.

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trlrtrash13

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I think the lack of intent as told by the fbi is horseshit. The difference between Powell and shillary, he used an account. She used a server. There is absolutely NO convenience aspect of physically having control over the physical hardware involved other than unfettered access to the physical media on which data is stored. Why? For destruction purposes as we've seen play out with the whole Platte River b.s. There's also the aspect of allowing others to take a peek without being in the email chain, having a look behind the curtain. Something someone can't do when using state hardware in a secured limited access location under lock and key.

When it comes to someone understanding the 'real' way things are done, I trust Trump. Mainly because he has gamed the system and contributed to various politicians. How can you even begin to fix a system if you don't know the first thing about how it works? It's kind of like grabbing someone from a pottery class and hoping they know how to take down a smuggling ring. Would you put your faith in a total noob who's as clueless as Johnson on Aleppo? Or trust an ex smuggler who might know the actual ins and outs?

In the past he's been a businessman and whether people think it's 'right' or 'wrong' there's nothing he could have done to put an end to the way things worked. Technically what he was doing wasn't illegal, he used legal loopholes to game the system. If those in power wanted them gone they wouldn't exist, Trump wasn't one of those people. He was just someone who took advantage of what others provided. You have to know the loopholes and understand how they work though if you expect to have half a chance at correcting them.

I'm not sure I see how a $25,000 donation to a pac is buying off the state's atty general. $25,000 is a fart in the wind with these people in their positions. Many of us think it's a lot of money but in those circles it's really not. It's kinda like trying to imply that Bondi was bought off because Trump bought her a shiny new car. If it was a top end mercedes, maybe. Not a ford focus with factory wheels lol. Just like it would be ridiculous to try and make a case that someone was trying to get in the bartender's pants by tipping her $10. That's just not 'get in your pants' money (and if it is, you probably don't want to be gaining that access).
So you trust Trump because he has gamed the system, and you support Trump (who has never held public office) over Clinton (former first lady, senator, and Secretary of State) because you don't want a "total noob". Yeah, that makes sense. To someone. I suppose.

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trlrtrash13

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Look, we're a vaping forum. Am I the only one who is shocked at how many people are supporting Mike Pence, the former Governor of Indiana who enacted the strictest eliquid laws in the country? This is why the industry is in the mess it is in. Everybody knows how to use #advocacy but when it's time to actually advocate, where are we? Indigo Vapor is one of many companies that had to flee the state because of Mike Pence. Will they have to move to Canada if you guys get your way?

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HondaDavidson

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Once again, I am not saying she was right. I'm saying she was wrong, and should be treated the same way others who were also wrong were treated.

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Then don't defend her or justify her actions.

She should receive JUSTICE.... Regardless the prior actions or treatment of others. When the dems win they can prosecute Rice and Powell. I got a feeling those dropped email charges will get picked-up again if The Donald gets elected. Lerner and a few others should probably move somewhere without extradition, also. I got a feeling with different people running the white house prosecutions won't be so detrimental to a lawyers career..

Comey never said she didn't commit crimes. He said there were no prosecutors willing to take the case. And invented the need for INTENT when one commits a crime for there to be guilt of a crime.
 

HondaDavidson

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So you trust Trump because he has gamed the system, and you support Trump (who has never held public office) over Clinton (former first lady, senator, and Secretary of State) because you don't want a "total noob". Yeah, that makes sense. To someone. I suppose.

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I will vote for Trump BECAUSE he has never held office. That is after-all what was intended at the founding, for the President and House of representitives. These were supposed to be offices held by citizens, who would get elected go to washington for a few years then go back home to thier lives and careers..... Only the senate was intended to be run by career politicians.
 

trlrtrash13

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Then don't defend her or justify her actions.

She should receive JUSTICE.... Regardless the prior actions or treatment of others. When the dems win they can prosecute Rice and Powell. I got a feeling those dropped email charges will get picked-up again if The Donald gets elected. Lerner and a few others should probably move somewhere without extradition, also. I got a feeling with different people running the white house prosecutions won't be so detrimental to a lawyers career..

Comey never said she didn't commit crimes. He said there were no prosecutors willing to take the case. And invented the need for INTENT when one commits a crime for there to be guilt of a crime.
So if Hillary gets elected and prosecutes Powell, no complaints from you?

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skeene

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Look, we're a vaping forum. Am I the only one who is shocked at how many people are supporting Mike Pence, the former Governor of Indiana who enacted the strictest eliquid laws in the country? This is why the industry is in the mess it is in. Everybody knows how to use #advocacy but when it's time to actually advocate, where are we? Indigo Vapor is one of many companies that had to flee the state because of Mike Pence. Will they have to move to Canada if you guys get your way?

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I wouldn't vote for hillary if she promised free vaping supplies for life.
 

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Once again, I am not saying she was right. I'm saying she was wrong, and should be treated the same way others who were also wrong were treated.

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So, you don't think anybody should be prosecuted because nobody has been prosecuted? The next Sec of State can do everything Hitlery and Powell did but nothing should be done about it?

Your correlations baffle the hell out of me.

That's like saying since some people don't get speeding tickets, no one should.

You don't believe in discretion? You're talking about three separate cases. Evaluate each on it's own merits. I do not give Hitlery a pass just because Powell got a pass. Powell did not bring attention to his case. Nobody knew about it. It certainly wasn't high profile like Hitlery.

If a person is speeding down a road that everybody speeds on because it is not well policed and causes a wreck, that person will be charged and prosecuted for speeding. Nobody is going to say that the person should not be prosecuted because the rest of the people that speed down that road did not get prosecuted. It's just ridiculous. Nor is anyone going to say you should go back and charge everyone that already got away with it. The, "Well, the guy in front of me was speeding!" that you and Hitlery are using just doesn't work. With the exception of people with friends in high places. Apparently, it works for them.

Your correlations making every instance the same as another are ridiculous. It's black and white thinking. Most people discriminate. They scrutinize each case on it's own merits.

If you see the Hitlery case and the Powell case as the same, there is something wrong with you.

If you see donating to a crooked politician and being a crooked politician as the same, there is something wrong with you.

There is a clear difference between Hitlery and Trump.
 
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pulsevape

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Look, we're a vaping forum. Am I the only one who is shocked at how many people are supporting Mike Pence, the former Governor of Indiana who enacted the strictest eliquid laws in the country? This is why the industry is in the mess it is in. Everybody knows how to use #advocacy but when it's time to actually advocate, where are we? Indigo Vapor is one of many companies that had to flee the state because of Mike Pence. Will they have to move to Canada if you guys get your way?

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what kind of an idiot would base their presidential choice on fucking vaping....there are a few more pressing issues.Besides it has overwhelmingly been democrats who have led the charge on vaping.
 
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Once again, I am not saying she was right. I'm saying she was wrong, and should be treated the same way others who were also wrong were treated.

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youre full of shit if Hilary was treated like everybody else she would of been in prison long ago .....the hag is a carrer criminal...
 

trlrtrash13

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So, you don't think anybody should be prosecuted because nobody has been prosecuted? The next Sec of State can do everything Hitlery and Powell did but nothing should be done about it?

Your correlations baffle the hell out of me.

That's like saying since some people don't get speeding tickets, no one should.

You don't believe in discretion? You're talking about three separate cases. Evaluate each on it's own merits. I do not give Hitlery a pass just because Powell got a pass. Powell did not bring attention to his case. Nobody knew about it. It certainly wasn't high profile like Hitlery.

If a person is speeding down a road that everybody speeds on because it is not well policed and causes a wreck, that person will be charged and prosecuted for speeding. Nobody is going to say that the person should not be prosecuted because the rest of the people that speed down that road did not get prosecuted. It's just ridiculous. Nor is anyone going to say you should go back and charge everyone that already got away with it. The, "Well, the guy in front of me was speeding!" that you and Hitlery are using just doesn't work. With the exception of people with friends in high places. Apparently, it works for them.

Your correlations making every instance the same as another are ridiculous. It's black and white thinking. Most people discriminate. They scrutinize each case on it's own merits.

If you see the Hitlery case and the Powell case as the same, there is something wrong with you.

If you see donating to a crooked politician and being a crooked politician as the same, there is something wrong with you.

There is a clear difference between Hitlery and Trump.
Yeah, how could I see these cases as the same? They were both secretaries of state who sent classified emails over private, unsecured email accounts. Not even similar when you think about it, huh? Something must be wrong with me.

One problem with your speeding ticket logic. Where is the wreck caused by Hillary? There was none. This investigation of her turned up the Powell emails too, yet only she was referred to the FBI for investigation. Why? Because it was a partisan witch hunt, plain and simple.

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trlrtrash13

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what kind of an idiot would base their presidential choice on fucking vaping....there are a few more pressing issues.Besides it has overwhelmingly been democrats who have led the charge on vaping.
Fair, there are more pressing issues. If you're the type who views issues in a vacuum I could see your point. I don't. We have a Presidential candidate running on bringing jobs back to America, meanwhile his whole clothing line is manufactured overseas. He also is campaigning on protecting our liberties, but with no political experience he has no record on these issues. Thus, some will look at his choice of running mate as problematic when it's a guy who has a proven record of big government intrusion on personal liberties to the point where his regulatory overreach has businesses fleeing the state.

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One problem with your speeding ticket logic. Where is the wreck caused by Hillary? There was none.

Bullshit.

Hitlery's email information was found by Guccifer, a Romanian HACKER. He released her email addy and it became public knowledge that she used an unsecure private server. That's a fucking wreck when HACKERS compromised her shit. Everybody fucking knew. Hell, I knew she had an unsecure private server months before it ever showed up in the news or there were any "hearings" and before she deleted her shit.

If Guccifer knew, the whole fucking world knew because he told the whole fucking world. Before she deleted her shit. That's a fucking wreck. Do you really think the US extradited Guccifer from Romania and stuck him in prison because he hacked random people? :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure the Russians read the internet. China too. Ya think maybe they knew?

Now, who the fuck knew about Powell before Hitlery outed him with her "Everybody else was doing it" defense? Nobody.
 
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We have a Presidential candidate running on bringing jobs back to America, meanwhile his whole clothing line is manufactured overseas.

Another stupid comparison.

I buy chinese shit all the time. Because it's fucking cheaper. I'm not dumb enough to spend more of my own money just to make a political statement.

I agree with Trump on trade. I also don't fault him for doing business in the business climate he is given. It would be kinda stupid for me to fault Trump for doing the same thing I do. Live and do business in the current climate while advocating for a better climate.

When in Rome,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 

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You mad bro?


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fq06

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Another stupid comparison.

I buy chinese shit all the time. Because it's fucking cheaper. I'm not dumb enough to spend more of my own money just to make a political statement.

I agree with Trump on trade. I also don't fault him for doing business in the business climate he is given. It would be kinda stupid for me to fault Trump for doing the same thing I do. Live and do business in the current climate while advocating for a better climate.

When in Rome,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Yeah but the root of that is you don't get to say bring jobs back to the US when you are sending US jobs to China.
That's not to say other politicians do talk out of both sides of thier mouth but you can't say that when you're doing it and be like... I'm awesome trump.

And the problem with the trade imbalance is that you, I and a lot of others buy stuff from china for cheaper than what it's made for here... how you going to stop that train?

EDIT: And I agree with a lot of what you said in the post above what I quoted
 
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skeene

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Another stupid comparison.

I buy chinese shit all the time. Because it's fucking cheaper. I'm not dumb enough to spend more of my own money just to make a political statement.

I agree with Trump on trade. I also don't fault him for doing business in the business climate he is given. It would be kinda stupid for me to fault Trump for doing the same thing I do. Live and do business in the current climate while advocating for a better climate.

When in Rome,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I may have a Chinese made vape or 2....
 

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Yeah, how could I see these cases as the same? They were both secretaries of state who sent classified emails over private, unsecured email accounts. Not even similar when you think about it, huh? Something must be wrong with me.

One problem with your speeding ticket logic. Where is the wreck caused by Hillary? There was none. This investigation of her turned up the Powell emails too, yet only she was referred to the FBI for investigation. Why? Because it was a partisan witch hunt, plain and simple.

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Your agologist tour for Hilary was as novel as watching josh Ernest or CNN for an hour......your little sophist soft shoe wasn't even very good...Hilary Clinton isn't just corrupt she is evil...and that is why people don't like her..it's not just a matter of cattle gate,or whitewater,it's not just a matter of being an apologist for a serial rapist,it's not just a matter of bitch slapping Bills rape victims,it's not just a matter of the innumerable assassinations, and bodies strewn all over DC it's not just a matter of illegally bombing Libya against the war powers act and then laughing about it on TV,it's not just a matter of arming al quest in Libya,it's not just a matter of toppling eygpt,and attempting to topple Syria,it's not just a matter of banging a war drum against Putin,it's not just a matter of the bloody Arab Spring...its not just a matter of turning the state department into a whorehouse or using people's suffering as a scam for th Clinton foundation to launder money......it's a pattern, it is watching it go on for decades, it's the arrogant and disdainfull contempt for the people and their laws, it's the inhuman disregard for human lives...the fact that this harpy has escaped justice is not as you would suggest an indiction of innocence ...it is an inditement of corruption of the system and the way in which the Clintons glide and feed on this corruption ..in short Hilary and Bill are psychopaths, not just simple greedy fucks.Hilary has gone from murdering her political problems in the dark of night on park benches in DC to mass murdering on a global scale in broad daylight and she has found she enjoys it even more.
THis is why the Clintons are feared, this is why even democrats hate having to vote for her, this is why Hilary can't pay people to got to her rallies,this is why so many democrats are either not voting,or voting third party.....it's not a matter of Hilary's policies its not. Matter of Hillary being some mundane corrupt politician...it's that they know the woman is a psychopath, the fact that this reality has escaped you says far more about you than it does anything else.....I will vote for Trump mostly because I can see what you can't...that Hilary Clintons thirst for power and blood is never going to be satisfied, that she is insane,and though Trump maybe a bombastic tool at times,at least he appears to be sane enough to have lived his life without leaving a trail of dead bodies and battered women in his wake unlike th Clintons....so go head and mouth the stupid ass lies that the Clintons have been saying for the last 30 years you are nothing new you are an old worn out record we've all heard before...since the day the Clintons buried there first body....vote for.a Psychopath apparently there is something about her insanity that must appeal to you. But it appears that like the portrait of Dorian Grey .....Americans are revolted by her...she will have to steal the election like she stole the nomination.
 
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Fair, there are more pressing issues. If you're the type who views issues in a vacuum I could see your point. I don't. We have a Presidential candidate running on bringing jobs back to America, meanwhile his whole clothing line is manufactured overseas. He also is campaigning on protecting our liberties, but with no political experience he has no record on these issues. Thus, some will look at his choice of running mate as problematic when it's a guy who has a proven record of big government intrusion on personal liberties to the point where his regulatory overreach has businesses fleeing the state.

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LOL?.what a load of nonsense....yeah your fucking captain crunch,cherry berry Swedish fish e-juice is right up there with censoring the internet, the largest domestic spy network in history, and the stripping of congressional powers ....do you ever get embarrassed by posting this nonsense or do you just throw shit on the wall and hope something sticks.....yeah my mod is the canary in the coal mine of the death of western civilization...yes though I find the war on vaping repulsive and stupid I'm far more concerned with other things. like free speech,free thought,freedom to own a gun,honest elections, an industrial base, employment,the displacement of Americans by unvetted third world throwbacks, the fiat currency,the rise of the new world order,and War.
 
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Yeah but the root of that is you don't get to say bring jobs back to the US when you are sending US jobs to China.
That's not to say other politicians do talk out of both sides of thier mouth but you can't say that when you're doing it and be like... I'm awesome trump.

And the problem with the trade imbalance is that you, I and a lot of others buy stuff from china for cheaper than what it's made for here... how you going to stop that train?

EDIT: And I agree with a lot of what you said in the post above what I quoted

Sure you get to say bring back jobs when you are sending jobs to China. I'm buying stuff from china because US companies can't compete. It's the same for Trump. Sure, Trump could have a US company make ties. But few people will buy them when they can buy china made ties cheaper. Trump lives in the same world I do. If you can't compete with china, you have to use china. I don't blame Trump for that, I blame NAFTA and the other "agreements" and allowing china to cheat. Trump isn't the only person or Corp. to use China. Ford, right now, is saying they are building another plant in Mexico. Because that makes them more competitive and makes money. It's simple common sense. The same reason I buy foreign shit. It's cheaper.

I'm going to stop that train by electing Trump. I hope.

He is correct. China charges tariffs on some US goods. We don't charge tariffs on China goods. China manipulates it's currency to be low. It makes Chinese products very cheap. China is cheating. It's well known what China does. Obama bitches but does nothing.

We need to threaten tariffs on Chinese goods if China does not drop their tariffs and quit manipulating currency. And we need to follow through. These are very basic. Trump is spot on when it comes to trade.
 

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That has nothing to do with us sending jobs to china. Yeah, they make it more expensive to buy our shit but who there is buying our shit besides levi's? Makes little to no difference to our manufacturing jobs.

What I was talking about is sending our manufacturing there. Them removing tariffs will not change that, their labor and materials are cheaper. That makes products cheaper, you and I buy the cheaper shit.

Ford is not eliminating any jobs here. Don't cry about it unless you want to volunteer to build cars for $3 an hour... and you can find another 300 americans to do it with you... ford will hire you guys.

Trump is not bringing jobs back from china, Trump is not changing the mess in government, trump is just going to fuck shit up.
 

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That has nothing to do with us sending jobs to china. Yeah, they make it more expensive to buy our shit but who there is buying our shit besides levi's? Makes little to no difference to our manufacturing jobs.

What I was talking about is sending our manufacturing there. Them removing tariffs will not change that, their labor and materials are cheaper. That makes products cheaper, you and I buy the cheaper shit.

Ford is not eliminating any jobs here. Don't cry about it unless you want to volunteer to build cars for $3 an hour... and you can find another 300 americans to do it with you... ford will hire you guys.

Trump is not bringing jobs back from china, Trump is not changing the mess in government, trump is just going to fuck shit up.

Um, China imports resources for materials. They are not a resource rich country like the US or Russia.

Their labor is cheap. But that's not why we can't compete. With an otherwise equal playing field, Imported resources(oil, coal, food, metals, etc.) and shipping(both ways, resources in and products out) would go a looooong ways to even out the labor difference. In other words, China has to buy materials/energy and have it shipped to china, then make products, then ship it back. The only cheap part is the labor. The US has the energy, so it's cheaper. The US doesn't have the shipping costs inside the US. Our labor is more expensive but our materials, energy and shipping is lower.

No, I'm afraid tariffs on US products and a manipulated currency are the key difference that makes trade with china unequal. Otherwise, why would they even do it? Just to piss us off? Heh. No, there is a reason China puts tariffs on some goods and manipulates their currency. They don't just do it for no damn reason at all. But if you have a better reason for them to apply tariffs and manipulate their currency than to have an advantage, please fill me in. I'm all ears.

You keep saying what Trump won't do but you're just guessing. Here is what I know. Trumps policy is correct. Hitlery's is to do nothing. She doesn't even offer an explanation why China kicks our ass. Johnson will not only do nothing, he wants to add TPP to the lopsided trade. While it's quite possible that Trump doesn't get it done, he is the only one saying he will. Your argument is saying that of three people, two of whom aren't even talking about it, the third who says he'll fix a problem just,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,won't. Without even giving him the chance. I don't understand that at all.

I know lots of people that I don't personally like, that are damn good at some things and as much as I hate it, the fuckers can do what they say they can. Like 'em or not, I at least respect them for their abilities. I don't have to like them to let them do what needs to be done. I think you just don't like Trump. Period. But, that doesn't mean he can't do what he says he will. He isn't a person I could be around personally, I don't really like him. But that don't mean he isn't the best person that applied for the job. I need him to be President, not to hang out with on weekends.

Trump was born rich. Okay. So show me one, just one, lottery winner that turned $3 million into $3 Billion. Like him or not, Trump is a winner. I think I'll give him a chance. The politicians, sure as fuck, haven't been working out so well.

Edited to add; On top of the economic problems, not having a strong manufacturing base causes other problems. China has the capacity to retool in the event of war to churn out equipment in mass quantities, like we were able to in two world wars. We no longer have that ability. It would take us much longer. China can do it in months. It would take us years. Not good.
 
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trlrtrash13

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Another stupid comparison.

I buy chinese shit all the time. Because it's fucking cheaper. I'm not dumb enough to spend more of my own money just to make a political statement.

I agree with Trump on trade. I also don't fault him for doing business in the business climate he is given. It would be kinda stupid for me to fault Trump for doing the same thing I do. Live and do business in the current climate while advocating for a better climate.

When in Rome,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
You wouldn't fault Trump for it? Me neither. You're missing the point. Trump is ripping Carrier and Ford Motor and other companies for it. As you said, it would be hypocritical if you ripped him for it when you do it, but I'm sure you'll find a way to justify him ripping them when he does it too.

It's all good though, that's what a Kool Aid drinker does. Just like you try to pass off the hack as a wreck. The "wreck" would be damaging info being hacked and used to the detriment of the US.

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You wouldn't fault Trump for it? Me neither. You're missing the point. Trump is ripping Carrier and Ford Motor and other companies for it. As you said, it would be hypocritical if you ripped him for it when you do it, but I'm sure you'll find a way to justify him ripping them when he does it too.

It's all good though, that's what a Kool Aid drinker does. Just like you try to pass off the hack as a wreck. The "wreck" would be damaging info being hacked and used to the detriment of the US.

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LOL.

Trump uses examples of known manufacturing companies going to other countries. The ones in the news recently. Pretty smart. When I talk to people about such things, we say, "That's fucked up. It needs to be fixed so companies will stay here". That's the short version. That's what Trump says.Your argument is simply an attempt to put him in a no win position. If he did not make good business decisions that made him successful, you'd just claim he was not successful. But, he made business decisions based on the reality of the current situation, so you call him a hypocrite. There is nothing hypocritical about living in reality. You can say something is fucked up and work in that system. I do it all the time. You do too.

The hack was in 2013. Most people are not delusional and understand that in the 2-3 years after the hack by an unsophisticated hacker, the unsecure server was likely hacked by sophisticated State players, such as Russia or China. That's a fucking wreck. Since 30,000 emails were deleted, I'm assuming they contained damaging info, or why else delete them? That's a fucking wreck. Are you so delusional that you think a State player would make a public statement that they have US State secrets? Or do you think they would let us sit here and wonder. For fuck sake, our own NSA/CIA directors openly say we hack foreign people in foreign government. I'll put it this way, everyone that isn't an ardent Hitlery supporter, knows it's a wreck.
 
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Trump is right about companies leaving..... he just incorrectly blames trade deals as the problem.. the deals are not the issue........ the real cause of mfg leaving the country is tree huggers and environmental law along with outdated labor laws and unionism.


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Bullshit...every generation has its robber barons and we have ours....the big corporations love regulations it helps keep competition down...
 

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That has nothing to do with us sending jobs to china. Yeah, they make it more expensive to buy our shit but who there is buying our shit besides levi's? Makes little to no difference to our manufacturing jobs.

What I was talking about is sending our manufacturing there. Them removing tariffs will not change that, their labor and materials are cheaper. That makes products cheaper, you and I buy the cheaper shit.

Ford is not eliminating any jobs here. Don't cry about it unless you want to volunteer to build cars for $3 an hour... and you can find another 300 americans to do it with you... ford will hire you guys.

Trump is not bringing jobs back from china, Trump is not changing the mess in government, trump is just going to fuck shit up.

Hahahahahahaha


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Bullshit...every generation has its robber barons and we have ours....the big corporations love regulations it helps keep competition down...
Not bull Shit as those bad deals are for the most part directly related to the other causes I suggested... sure there are deeper issues....and more current names for old issues.

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Trump is right about companies leaving..... he just incorrectly blames trade deals as the problem.. the deals are not the issue........ the real cause of mfg leaving the country is tree huggers and environmental law along with outdated labor laws and unionism.


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No.

Regulation is a problem, that's true. But the Trade deals are also an issue.

I believe Trump understands the the problem with regulation, he has talked about it. But that's a common subject. He's the only one, R or D, that has raised the trade issue. That doesn't mean he thinks it's the only issue but he is correct that it is an issue. Hell, talking about regulation is preaching to the choir for a conservative or libertarian. Speaking about trade deals is something no one else addresses.
 

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Not bull Shit as those bad deals are for the most part directly related to the other causes I suggested... sure there are deeper issues....and more current names for old issues.

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Sure they related. But nobody except Trump is talking trade. Everybody to the right of a tree hugging liberal, is talking about over regulation. That's low hanging fruit.

That doesn't mean he is incorrect. It's just not his campaign focus because every one except liberals are already in agreement.

Donald Trump concluded his sold-out speech in Dallas with a call for reduced government regulation. He said, "We're going to fight hard, we're going to negotiate tough, and we're going to do fantastically well. We're going to put our people back to work. We're going to get rid of all these ridiculous--everything is so bad--we're going to get rid of the regulations that are just destroying us. You can't breathe. You cannot breathe.

See. Trump adds trade as an issue to an already well known regulation issue. He is not incorrect.
 
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Let's get honest..there is no China per se...there is not goverment in China creating policy to improve the lives of the Chinese people,most of who are still agrarian and within spitting distance of an empty belly....China has become a a sort of pirates cove for globalist robber barons to evade labor laws,ecology laws, and legal liability....a handful of Chinese are getting rich selling out their peoples future and a handful of western robber barons are getting rich selling out their peoples futures.....and Hilary is one of them.her support of the TPP is just the script written by the global robber barons.

A friend of mine has been living in Hong Kong for about the last 7 years...he pops in and out of the mainland sounds likes a living shithole.....he went to Bejing for holiday, and was invited out to a small village in the countryside for the New Years celebration...he took a train from Bejing, and it took him 3 hours by train from Bejing before he could actually see the sun because of pollution .....anybody who thinks that China enters into mutual benificial agreements is either a liar or a fool...go ask the Tibetians,the Japanese,the Vietnamese,the Philippines......
 
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LOL.

Trump uses examples of known manufacturing companies going to other countries. The ones in the news recently. Pretty smart. When I talk to people about such things, we say, "That's fucked up. It needs to be fixed so companies will stay here". That's the short version. That's what Trump says.Your argument is simply an attempt to put him in a no win position. If he did not make good business decisions that made him successful, you'd just claim he was not successful. But, he made business decisions based on the reality of the current situation, so you call him a hypocrite. There is nothing hypocritical about living in reality. You can say something is fucked up and work in that system. I do it all the time. You do too.

The hack was in 2013. Most people are not delusional and understand that in the 2-3 years after the hack by an unsophisticated hacker, the unsecure server was likely hacked by sophisticated State players, such as Russia or China. That's a fucking wreck. Since 30,000 emails were deleted, I'm assuming they contained damaging info, or why else delete them? That's a fucking wreck. Are you so delusional that you think a State player would make a public statement that they have US State secrets? Or do you think they would let us sit here and wonder. For fuck sake, our own NSA/CIA directors openly say we hack foreign people in foreign government. I'll put it this way, everyone that isn't an ardent Hitlery supporter, knows it's a wreck.
And that, my friend, is my point. You said YOU would be a hypocrite if you called Trump out while doing it yourself, but you defend him for calling others out on it while he does it. I don't cut a politician slack that I wouldn't cut for myself. You drink the Kool Aid, I don't. And you're entitled to if you want to. Feel free. Just don't expect the rest of us to act like it makes sense.

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And that, my friend, is my point. You said YOU would be a hypocrite if you called Trump out while doing it yourself, but you defend him for calling others out on it while he does it. I don't cut a politician slack that I wouldn't cut for myself. You drink the Kool Aid, I don't. And you're entitled to if you want to. Feel free. Just don't expect the rest of us to act like it makes sense.

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So do you buy gas for your car?....I guess this means you support Islamic jihad funded by the Saudis.
 

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So do you buy gas for your car?....I guess this means you support Islamic jihad funded by the Saudis.
You're having a really hard time keeping up, aren't you? I don't want to be insulting because I'm not sure if you have turrets or something, but these random outbursts unrelated to the post you quoted are a little comical.

Let me break it down for you, in case you're serious. I'm not criticizing Trump for making his clothing line abroad. I'm not saying he's supporting foreign workers and should be supporting Americans. I'm criticizing him for attacking other companies for doing it while he does it himself.

Hopefully that gets you up to speed.

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And that, my friend, is my point. You said YOU would be a hypocrite if you called Trump out while doing it yourself, but you defend him for calling others out on it while he does it. I don't cut a politician slack that I wouldn't cut for myself. You drink the Kool Aid, I don't. And you're entitled to if you want to. Feel free. Just don't expect the rest of us to act like it makes sense.

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Trump doesn't own any factories, dumb ass. He imports ties and shit and puts his name on them. He doesn't own the factories that makes the shit. Ford and Carrier are manufactures. Trump is an importer. Saying they are the same is like saying vaping is the same as smoking.

Your correlations are retarded. Like I can't bitch about big tobacco because I vape. It's fucking stupid.

The only one drinking Kool Aid is you. You can't make a distinction between,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,anything. Fuck, I'm not so sure that you could tell the difference between Hitlery and Trump by looking at their Junk. You'd say some more stupid shit like, "See, they both have arms and legs! They're both the same!"

You musta been a Bernie dweeb.
 

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You're having a really hard time keeping up, aren't you? I don't want to be insulting because I'm not sure if you have turrets or something, but these random outbursts unrelated to the post you quoted are a little comical.

Let me break it down for you, in case you're serious. I'm not criticizing Trump for making his clothing line abroad. I'm not saying he's supporting foreign workers and should be supporting Americans. I'm criticizing him for attacking other companies for doing it while he does it himself.

Hopefully that gets you up to speed.

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He's keeping up just fine. You're the one that's lost. His point was simple, your correlations are stupid.
 

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So do you buy gas for your car?....I guess this means you support Islamic jihad funded by the Saudis.
Hence the push toward "solar and wind" technologies. Follow the money. follow the cash.
 
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