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The only animal that can digest milk past infancy is the human animal, and only those who are not lactose intolerant. This was rudely brought to my remembrance when, at the age of 2 yrs and some months, our cat started barfing up the food we gave her that contained cheese.
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That's really interesting because my cats get milk all the time (one is 16 years old and has no problem with it) and the chickens get milk and cheese regularly with no problem. But the milk they get is raw, not store-bought, and even lactose-intolerant people could drink RAW milk with no ill effects.
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Well, the ability to digest milk past infancy is a genetic mutation, usually observed in descendants of those who historically herded cattle; it's an extremely adaptive mutation, due to the high level of nutrition in milk, so it has survived and proliferated; I suppose it might appear, at random, in other species, for the same reason -- highly adaptive to a good food source. Lactose-intolerance is the lack of that mutation, so it doesn't make sense that lactose-intolerant people could consume raw milk without ill effect; presumably it still contains lactose (milk sugar). Perhaps pasteurization (the real reason why thousands don't die of "consumption" (TB) anymore, with some credit also to antibiotics) somehow changes the lactose so it becomes more toxic to those who lack the mutation.
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The milk pasteurization process was started because of a lie - milk bottlers wanted their milk (at that time, all milk was raw) to go farther, so they cut it with water. Problem was that the cheap labor was using mud puddle water and introduced some nasty bugs, which made thousands sick, so the industry buttheads who still wanted to push their product beyond the local sales, created a process to sterilize the milk (and raise the price, of course, even though the milk itself was never the real problem). Bottom line here is that the pasteurization process destroys everything good that was in the milk, then they add back in some artificial vitamins and white coloring that does not come from milk. What you get in the store is vitamin-enriched white water. It is not "milk" at all.
Here's another thing many do not know about raw milk: Cows have a wonderful immune system. They are so good that any new bug that gets in them, they will develop an immunity in less than 24 hours (this is assuming you have a healthy cow to start with), and if you drink that milk, you get the antibodies for free and they are entirely compatible with the human system.
Here's another thing many do not know about raw milk: Cows have a wonderful immune system. They are so good that any new bug that gets in them, they will develop an immunity in less than 24 hours (this is assuming you have a healthy cow to start with), and if you drink that milk, you get the antibodies for free and they are entirely compatible with the human system.
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I think I watched that for 10 minutes laughing the entire time.
Not quite right.
3/4 of all cats are lactose intolerant after infancy.So basically only 1 in 4 adult cats could drink milk as an adult without getting violently ill.
If it were sheep or goat milk yes,otherwise bad idea.All milk from cows contains lactose and raw milk has even more lactose than pasteurized & homogenized milk.
Wrong...Ask any beer brewery.
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Good to know; I know some cats *can* drink milk or cream, but our cat apparently can't. My husband sometimes gives her a tiny taste of his icecream, she's so interested in it, but she doesn't like it; I think it's too cold for her.
I've asked him to stop doing that, since cats can't taste "sweet" anyway, but he's wrapped around her paw quite firmly. To get him to stop feeding her from the table, I had to advise him that the sulfur in onions and garlic could be fatal to cats, and there's one or both in pretty much everything I cook. He's one of those pet owners who imagines the animal is really hungry everytime it begs for food -- and she's already well on her way to obesity! 
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OK folks, I don't want to start an out-and-out argument here, but raw milk contains an enzyme called lactase that counteracts the reaction called "lactose intolerance." The biochemical reaction that involves lactase breaks down lactose, a form of sugar in milk and milk products. Some people’s bodies do not make enough lactase, so they are not able to digest milk well. They could take supplemental lactase to help them break down lactose and tolerate milk, but apparently it is just easier for them to not drink milk (which none of us really needs, but most of us like). This enzyme in raw milk is totally destroyed in the pasteurization process and no attempt to replace it is done by the milk producers because such a very tiny percentage of the human population is adversely affected.
Uh, I can't let this pass without clarification:
http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodborneIllnessContaminants/BuyStoreServeSafeFood/ucm247991.htm
In addition, the comments made about bacteria in unpasteurized milk being somehow OK is plain dangerous.
If you want more, I'm happy to provide it.
http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodborneIllnessContaminants/BuyStoreServeSafeFood/ucm247991.htm
In addition, the comments made about bacteria in unpasteurized milk being somehow OK is plain dangerous.
If you want more, I'm happy to provide it.
Do you believe the FDA in their statements about vaping? Then why are so many so willing to believe their lies about everything else? I own milk cows and I drink their milk daily and have for many many years... I have never been healthier in my life. I have also thoroughly researched both sides of the argument and find that most of those companies and agencies who are against raw milk are the ones who would lose money if you stopped drinking store-bought milk and went to a farm to get the real stuff. Sound kinda like the cigarettes versus vaping argument? It is the same. - follow the money trail.
If you are worried about bacteria, do some more checking on (in) your own body. You have about a billion per linear inch of intestine and you need them or you would die. Way too many people think the word "bacteria" means "bad." You cannot live without this symbiotic relationship.
Argument mode OFF. You may choose to believe what you want. I know what works for me and my farm full of animals.
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If you are worried about bacteria, do some more checking on (in) your own body. You have about a billion per linear inch of intestine and you need them or you would die. Way too many people think the word "bacteria" means "bad." You cannot live without this symbiotic relationship.
Argument mode OFF. You may choose to believe what you want. I know what works for me and my farm full of animals.
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Just 1 big problem with your theory...There is not enough lactate in raw milk to counteract the effects of lactose.However eating aged raw milk hard cheeses just before drinking any type of cows milk might alleviate most of the symptoms.Or you could do as I suggested earlier and stick with goat or sheep milk.
The FDA of the past versus how it is currently run are vastly different animals.
They're called dairy cows not milk cows.
Congratulations on being healthy.
There are not 2 sides to this argument at all.Drinking raw milk can be dangerous and you should know this.
The FDA is not a private company it is a federal agency.
Ruh roh shaggy...Considering you live in South Dakota you better read this below.
Raw Milk Laws & Regulations
Retail Sale of Raw Milk Allowed?No
Other Sale of Raw Milk AllowedYes - purchase at farm and delivery direct from farm to consumer excepted from regulations.
Citations:SD ST § 39-6-2 (misdemeanor to sell milk other than Grade A); SD ST § 39-6-3 (exempting sales direct from farm with permit to consumer or delivered direct to consumer from Grade A requirement); SD ADC 12:05:07:10 (pasteurization required for Grade A products);
Requirements:Farms making sales direct to consumer or making delivery must still have permit for production of milk. Milk must be clearly labeled as "raw."
NO...Just wrong.
There is no money to follow.You are verging on tin foil hat conspiracy theory levels here.
There never was an argument to be had here.You are wrong period...Nuff said.
You mean you getting served?
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I'm not worried about bacteria in milk. I'm worried about TUBERCULES in milk. I already have asthma, I don't need tuberculosis, especially considering that there is now a resistant strain of it. When the pasteurization of milk became the norm, levels of tuberculosis dropped DRASTICALLY. Obviously there are other ways to get it, but milk was the leading cause in England and other developed countries. I am not lactose intolerant, so I could give a rat's ass if there is lactase in milk; apparently my ancient forebears were herders, who developed the milk-drinking mutation and graciously passed it on to their descendants.
When the Jews first enacted kosher laws for their food, it was specifically to check for animals that were diseased, so that the disease was not spread to humans. Jews have remained some of the most illness-free people in history.... Hmm, I wonder why that is...
When the FDA was first formed, they actually did useful things, like get the opiate patent medicines off the shelves, and, along with the USDA, make sure food was fit to eat. They've apparently decided in recent years to become Pharma whores instead of useful public servants.
People who extol the virtue of "raw" milk are probably in the same school of thought as those who denigrate vaccines -- another useful public service which should be REQUIRED FOR EVERYONE AND NO EXCUSES.
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When the Jews first enacted kosher laws for their food, it was specifically to check for animals that were diseased, so that the disease was not spread to humans. Jews have remained some of the most illness-free people in history.... Hmm, I wonder why that is...
When the FDA was first formed, they actually did useful things, like get the opiate patent medicines off the shelves, and, along with the USDA, make sure food was fit to eat. They've apparently decided in recent years to become Pharma whores instead of useful public servants.
People who extol the virtue of "raw" milk are probably in the same school of thought as those who denigrate vaccines -- another useful public service which should be REQUIRED FOR EVERYONE AND NO EXCUSES.
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Because we're traditionalists.
Although eating pig is pretty safe these days as most ovens can hit 400° reliably.Back in the day when we mostly cooked with fire this was not the case.
Amen on the vaccine thing.Yet another tin foil hat conspiracy theory.
There is no argument to be had.Unless you like the idea of getting e coli.
This is true. I've only ever known ONE cat that attacked people for no reason.
I'm a professional microbiologist specializing in molecular biology. It's not the same thing at all.
Mastitis?
