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Looks like he's got a little case of man boobs too.
Here's the little girl I need to send a bra to, the fried bank man:
I try not to get involved sometimes but on this one I have to
I am very sorry my friend but you are very mistaken on your concept of GMO's. ANYTHING that has been genetically modified can NOT be ORGANIC. GMO's are very dangerous to your health and can cause cancers. I'll leave it at that.
I am very sorry my friend but you are very mistaken on your concept of GMO's. ANYTHING that has been genetically modified can NOT be ORGANIC. GMO's are very dangerous to your health and can cause cancers. I'll leave it at that.
Okay, I'll be the mediator on this point.
I agree with you Jimi, but I understand what @Mr_Nobody is saying, and he is repeating what the big ag apologists have said, which is that you can take GMO seed and and grow it in well composted soil, without pesticides or other chemical inputs, and have organic produce from GMO seed.
As vapers we all know how words can be twisted by powerful, moneyed interests. I'm happy that Mr_Nobody is willing to have this discussion at all. People tend to be on one side or the other, and never will meet to share ideas and try to find the truth.
What I hope is that people will once again believe in this earth, believe in mother nature's bank of time, in which we have evolved in mutual respect between people, plants and the animal kingdom.
Was it in your daily health column I read, just this morning, that catfish have been genetically modified with an alligator gene, so they'll thrive better in polluted water? That tells you that catfish should not be touched for food because they are traveling poison from living in the chemical runoff, oil spills and whatever else you've got in the coastal and swamp waters where you find them.
Sorry but that's all true GMO crops. They actually cut the plants DNA code and re-arrange it or introduce a new gene in the DNA code. In most or all snips (DNA cuts) they add a they add a glyphosate gene to accept Glyphosate without killing the plant. Glyphosate is what is causing cancer in Vietnam Veterans. Glyphosate and 2-4-D are the main active ingreedients in agent orange
Yes but any GMO seed carrier the pesticides, herbisides, and altered genes no matter how you grow it, it's in the genetics of the seed
Yes, and my language on this isn't going to be exact without spending some time looking back at research I understood long ago, but the glyphosate tolerance, so that the weeds die but the plant lives, is a gene edit that tampers with the hormonal structure of the plant. When the plant dies from glyphosate exposure it's because the glypho makes the plant growth hormone pump like mad so it grows, withers and dies in a madly speeded up life cycle. The glyphosate resistant plant is gene edited to suppress that hormone pump so the herbicide can be applied without triggering it.
The BT corn is edited to have the BT poison in every cell, so it can't be washed off.
It doesn't matter if we have different understanding of what genetic modification does. I think we agree that genetic modification involves the hubris of playing god, and turning a plant into something it wasn't before, something different than it was before.
I'm editing because I remembered it: The herbicide resistance is from the insertion of a bacterium gene. Outside of an herbicide factory once upon a time, in the midst of the factory run-off someone noticed that certain plants were still thriving, while everything else in the path of that discharge was killed off. They said "hmm, what's that about?". Some testing revealed that the thriving plants were colonized by that bacteria that wasn't found in the killed off plants, which inhibited that plant hormone pump from kicking in. So they took genetic material from that bacterium and inserted it into a food plant to see if it would make it herbicide resistant. I think the canola seed was first, later other plants including soy.
It's all a horror story based on mad science and hubris. I think we agree on that JImi, but I'll leave it alone, and you can say whatever else you think needs to be said.
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Really?
Agent orange?
As a community we should now about things like callin a harmless chemical antifreeze to make ppl think of it as poison, i have no idea either way, just a very sort of 'WOW!' accusation remiscent of pg.
Lmfao, not at anyone, just at the audacity of humans
(Im not arguing, im asking, really, the stuff in agent orange?)
Both agent orange and glyphosate are herbicides. It's just a matter of degree, but both are highly carcinogenic. There are dozens of online articles and references you can research on your own, but again I'll recommend organicconsumers.org and put "agent orange" in the search engine, then put "agent orange glyphosate" together in the search engine.
The GMO so called "science" asserts that there is "junk DNA" that has no importance, that you can tamper with genes without messing up the whole organism. I read long ago that in trying to suppress the gene that causes black people to have a high incidence of sickle cell anemia, it caused the natural resistance to malaria that black people have, to stop functioning. It made me wonder who the experimented on people were. If you modify a fruit to make it resistant to a pox or a disease that plagues that plant, it will start coming down with two other kinds of disease, and this was studied extensively in Hawaii. Just because we don't understand what a gene does, it doesn't mean that gene doesn't have a function we don't understand yet.
In the mean time, by pursuing this franken-science we are failing to let the land tell us what it wants to grow cleanly, relatively free of pests and diseases, by the composition of the soil, the weather of the region, the companion plants that will grow well alongside the crop to deter pests. Organic growers study these things continuously.
If you seek the truth, you will find it.
just dont necessarily eat it cuz it might be bad for u, i guess
I'm back to checking expiration dates on prepper foods, using them up. I made a pretty corn salad for breakfast-lunch today:
Organic sweet corn
Juice packed pineapple chunks
Organic banana chips
Dragon fruit chips broken up (dragon fruit is the only ingredient listed on the packet, no sugar, coloring or additives of any kind) - that's the ingredient that looks like beets in the bowl.
A few sweet pickled jalapeno slices
After taking the photo I remembered to add some of these butter toffee Pnuttles. The only ingredients are peanuts, sugar, butter and salt, which to me is pretty remarkable for a dollar store snack food. OMG that took this dish over the top.
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Organic pineapple is hard to find, and under current inflation the 14 oz. can of organic juice packed chunks, slices or crushed, is more than 5.00. Ouch, so my prepper supply has the non-organic currently.
Canned organic corn: also sometimes hard to find, is easier to buy at just over 2.00 per 15 oz. can.
Organic sweet corn
Juice packed pineapple chunks
Organic banana chips
Dragon fruit chips broken up (dragon fruit is the only ingredient listed on the packet, no sugar, coloring or additives of any kind) - that's the ingredient that looks like beets in the bowl.
A few sweet pickled jalapeno slices
After taking the photo I remembered to add some of these butter toffee Pnuttles. The only ingredients are peanuts, sugar, butter and salt, which to me is pretty remarkable for a dollar store snack food. OMG that took this dish over the top.
(stock photo)
Organic pineapple is hard to find, and under current inflation the 14 oz. can of organic juice packed chunks, slices or crushed, is more than 5.00. Ouch, so my prepper supply has the non-organic currently.
Canned organic corn: also sometimes hard to find, is easier to buy at just over 2.00 per 15 oz. can.
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all i can say is just because it hasnt worked yet doesnt mean it cant.
Btw, thank u, i stand corrected, apparently i dont know what a gmo is, i know i just want less of em, lol
(You mean you eat and you dont know what a gmo is?)
Apparently...
I still support the scientific pursuit of it
Edit-i guess gmo is the words they chose to intentionally make people like me who simply know the meaning of words think ppl like u r being rediculous
Anyway, thank u jimi for alerting me, next topic, lol
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Thank you for being open minded enough to understand. There is a lot of studies on this posted in my health articles
I should thank u for being understanding enough to not cancel me instantly for accidently making a statement out of ignorance.
Its so hard to know these days what to believe or care about, especially once it starts getting advertised as special or different from the foods u are already eating.
And once something becomes big like gluten free, organic, non-gmo, what have u, there's always a profit motive behind it, commercials cost money, and the bigger the motivation is, the less i believe it.
This is take 1. There will be a take 2 because this was a fun experiment, and I have a goal.
I finally bought some riced cauliflower. I could buy a head of cauli and chop it up myself, but I don't have a cuisinart. Chopping cauliflower with a knife causes cauli snow to fly around the kitchen.
Anyway, this riced cauliflower was for a specific experiment. I've had mashed potatoes half & half with mashed cauliflower at a potluck. It was really delicious. People say that's a great way to get veggies into clueless children because they don't know it's veg. I've seen recipes on YouTube for "keto" Spanish rice and Mexican style "rice" made from cauliflower.
Time to try it for vegan taco meat.
I'd never once in my life bought a packet of taco seasoning, because I learned in my growing up home kitchen what you cook with a pound of ground meat to make tacos: onions, garlic, cumin, a drained can of Rotels with green chilies, salt, pepper. That's what tastes like taco meat to me, and restaurant taco meat pretty much tastes that way.
But people do use those taco seasoning packets, and I found an organic one, so I brought it home to study what's in it. Organic ingredients:
Chili powder
Garlic granules
Onion granules
Salt
Paprika
Cornstarch
Cumin
Smoked paprika
Cayenne
Chipotle peppers
Rice concentrate (WTF?)
Citric acid
You don't need the weird sh*t in that, but I can see how the bit of cornstarch helped make the mixture cohesive. My next experiment will be with riced cauliflower, but mom's way, for comparison, maybe something instead of corn starch to bring it together and keep it from getting veg-watery. Smoked paprika is actually made from a smoked, dehydrated variety of sweet pepper, so that could be the powdery thing to absorb moisture and keep it together. Smoked paprika has a very meaty flavor, to me, and I always have it on hand. I'm not buying a box of corn starch for one recipe. A spoonful of whole wheat flour in the frying would be okay too.
In the mean time, the first experiment was using the two 12 oz. packages of riced cauliflower and a chopped fresh jalapeno, cooked and cooked and cooked on high heat until it began to brown in the Miyokos vegan butter and form a crispy fond in the pan, in with the seasoning packet, stir stir stir to toast the spices and loosen the fond, then all deglazed with just a little bit of water, simmer simmer a few minutes to marry the flavors. It was a success in terms of taste, texture, and whether or not I would serve it to people in taco shells with toppings. It needed a little bit more salt.
I didn't actually make the tacos this time. I ate about two thirds of the caulimeat mixture with a big spoon, my breakfast-lunch today. I wanted to really taste it without interference from taco shells or toppings. It was delicious, and it did taste like taco meat, but not exactly, which is why this was only Take 1. This is the leftover, about one third of the recipe. It takes patience to let it go as long as it needs to, to get good and browned in the fat. Then the seasonings add some color too.
Taco taco taco!!!
I finally bought some riced cauliflower. I could buy a head of cauli and chop it up myself, but I don't have a cuisinart. Chopping cauliflower with a knife causes cauli snow to fly around the kitchen.
Anyway, this riced cauliflower was for a specific experiment. I've had mashed potatoes half & half with mashed cauliflower at a potluck. It was really delicious. People say that's a great way to get veggies into clueless children because they don't know it's veg. I've seen recipes on YouTube for "keto" Spanish rice and Mexican style "rice" made from cauliflower.
Time to try it for vegan taco meat.
I'd never once in my life bought a packet of taco seasoning, because I learned in my growing up home kitchen what you cook with a pound of ground meat to make tacos: onions, garlic, cumin, a drained can of Rotels with green chilies, salt, pepper. That's what tastes like taco meat to me, and restaurant taco meat pretty much tastes that way.
But people do use those taco seasoning packets, and I found an organic one, so I brought it home to study what's in it. Organic ingredients:
Chili powder
Garlic granules
Onion granules
Salt
Paprika
Cornstarch
Cumin
Smoked paprika
Cayenne
Chipotle peppers
Rice concentrate (WTF?)
Citric acid
You don't need the weird sh*t in that, but I can see how the bit of cornstarch helped make the mixture cohesive. My next experiment will be with riced cauliflower, but mom's way, for comparison, maybe something instead of corn starch to bring it together and keep it from getting veg-watery. Smoked paprika is actually made from a smoked, dehydrated variety of sweet pepper, so that could be the powdery thing to absorb moisture and keep it together. Smoked paprika has a very meaty flavor, to me, and I always have it on hand. I'm not buying a box of corn starch for one recipe. A spoonful of whole wheat flour in the frying would be okay too.
In the mean time, the first experiment was using the two 12 oz. packages of riced cauliflower and a chopped fresh jalapeno, cooked and cooked and cooked on high heat until it began to brown in the Miyokos vegan butter and form a crispy fond in the pan, in with the seasoning packet, stir stir stir to toast the spices and loosen the fond, then all deglazed with just a little bit of water, simmer simmer a few minutes to marry the flavors. It was a success in terms of taste, texture, and whether or not I would serve it to people in taco shells with toppings. It needed a little bit more salt.
I didn't actually make the tacos this time. I ate about two thirds of the caulimeat mixture with a big spoon, my breakfast-lunch today. I wanted to really taste it without interference from taco shells or toppings. It was delicious, and it did taste like taco meat, but not exactly, which is why this was only Take 1. This is the leftover, about one third of the recipe. It takes patience to let it go as long as it needs to, to get good and browned in the fat. Then the seasonings add some color too.
Taco taco taco!!!
It really was very tasty when I ate just the caulimeat mixture from a spoon for breakfast-lunch. I went back to the leftovers last night and made actual tacos with it, with corn tortilla shells, lettuce, tomato and salsa. All done up into actual tacos, that cruciferous vegetable taste came through in a way it didn't when I ate it by itself, so, as I anticipated, that experiment was only Take 1. It's back to the drawing board now.
You still might enjoy it in a tortilla wrap, and it's very easy to make. If you do anything with ingredients that make it taste more like real taco meat, let me know. I'm thinking the thing that might have toned down the cruciferous flavor was the drained can of rotels with green chilies, in the frying. Tomatoes are sweet, and do a lot to mild down other flavors.
Onward I guess.
I think it looks and sounds so delicious and would love to try it, could I talk you into givin me your taco sauce recipe?
As I have mentioned, I'm really glad we are having this conversation about GMO, what it's for, how it's done and for what purposes. I have enjoyed TV cooking shows all my adult life, but I have never once seen any of the TV chefs talk about GMO food products, nor even very much about organic. Nobody in the entertainment field will dip one toe into the waters of controversy because of the stranglehold of program sponsors.
I'm not sure what Jimi refers to when he mentions glyphosate being in every cell of a plant. That isn't the genetic modification involved in herbicide resistance. The genetic modification of the plant for that is the insertion of genetic material from the bacterium that was found to be colonizing the plants that didn't die off in the stream of factory discharge at an herbicide factory. That was where plant genetic modification began. It is true, however, that the glyphosate resistant crops are sprayed frequently and thoroughly with glyphosate, to kill the non-resistant weeds around the crop plants, so this highly carcinogenic herbicide remains as a residue in your bread, in many varieties of rice, in canola oil, in many varieties of potato, and in other crops.
If we're talking about profit motivation, @Mr_Nobody , we have to look at how genetic modification is used to capture entire global staple crops (though many countries have resisted and even banned the use of GMO seed within their borders). We have to look at how Monsanto prevented the use of "GMO" in food labeling to alert consumers. We have to look at how the industry successfully slandered and ruined the careers of scientists who dared question the safety of plant genetic modification back in the 90's. We have to look at how pollen drift has caused the GMO invasion of farms that chose not to use GMO seed, and how those farmers were sued into oblivion by Monsanto.
In the end, currently the only way you can be sure a food has no GMO content, is to buy organic, and that is only due to consumer pressure, though some products of Mexico seem to get away with having "no GMO ingredients" printed right on the front of the package. Mexico is also in the process of banning GMO seed and glyphosate within their borders. Some products, such as Tillamook and Fage, will show in their online literature that they are non-GMO Project verified, while being unable to say so on their product labels.
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Thanks Jimi.
The cauliflower taco "meat" recipe is all there in my post, how I made it, what ingredients I used. Is that what you mean?
If you mean the sauce I put on top of a taco, I just use a fresh salsa from the grocery store, sometimes store made, from the cold case or the produce department. The shelf stable jar salsa is all salt, no flavor. Sometimes I use leftover salsa from restaurant take-out.
A while back you posted a salsa you made yourself from your garden veg. I'll bet that's better than anything.
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I am too actually, because in my head, i assume they r making space corn and crap like that. orange trees that can survive a freeze. plants that will grow in desert environements cause they are going to be getting a lot bigger in the coming years.
Whether or not converting everything to organic will still be able to support the planets population is what i think about.
Most of my reference to of any of this is from the 90's actually, since u mention that.
the fact that that's the same stuff in fast food that makes it so bad (thank u jimi for that article) im both less worried and more worried. in one sense its no more harmul than fast food, but fast food is like the most unhealthy food u can eat and causes all sorts of diseases.
Edit-i dunno, would u say hands down more harmful than vaping? what do u think?
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-I'm adding some edits with additional info/thoughts:
I don't think vaping is harmful at all, except that teens really shouldn't take up the habit because their bodies and brains are developing, and it is better not to have an addiction than to have an addiction. But vape sales are denied to the underage, just as are the sales of tobacco and alcohol.
Vaping has improved my life, gotten me completely off cigarettes for ten years now, cleared my lungs, stopped the chronic bronchitis I used to have.
Fast food is harmful because it is refined of all nutritious content, to have that squishy white bread and crispy browned widespread appeal. Fast food chains offer GMO potatoes fried in GMO canola oil. If you buy a kid the little carton of milk at a fast food outlet it will usually come from a cow treated with the recombinant bovine growth hormone that causes the cow to over-produce and get sore, infected udders, resulting in pus in your milk (not to even mention suffering for the cow). The little packets of apple slices are the GMO apple, the gene modification to keep it from turning brown after the apple is cut.
Fast food doesn't all have to be harmful, and I notice it is improving, with more healthful options for those who want them. I had a tomato avocado sandwich on sourdough from Dunkin Donuts recently, delicious, refreshing, creative, different than your average fast food junk. I do wish, though, that any of the national fast food chains would shed GMO products.
The creators of GMO talk a good game about desert plants and freeze proof trees, but so far I haven't seen any heroic achievements, though I have seen a lot of torment to honest farmers. That variety of rice they came up with for a vitamin deficiency that was causing blindness among particular populations of the world, would have required the consumption of so much rice that it was plain unaffordable to those populations. I think it was biotech's big attempt to say "Hey we're good, we're altruistic, we love you". It didn't work, and they continue to try to take over staple crops and squash organic methods.
I believe organic farming is the only way forward for our survival and health, and the health of our planet. Overpopulation is vastly exaggerated by those who want to use that idea to control you. Birth rates have fallen steadily in developed countries the last couple of decades, to the point that our elected monkeys are telling us there will be nobody left working to pay into the tills of the Social Security ponzi scheme.
If I sound strident or combative, I don't mean to. I feel like I'm always arguing against the propaganda that's out there, that is so powerful. I'm not trying to bang you over the head. In the 90's I saw a so called "debate" about GMO on PBS, which included three panelists, two in favor of GMO, a third person on the fence, nobody there to take the "against" position. Just another propaganda piece. Powerful multinational corporations can pay for whatever they want to be called "truth".
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In order to get crops to accept glyphosate they cut the gene and insert a piece of a glyphosate gene in it's place which lets the entire plant, every cell of that plant now contains glyphosate. There is a lot longer more technicail description of how it works in my health threads somewhere in the masses.
That is where the idea came from but when they had to cut the plants DNA to get it to make seed that would create the same.
The sad truth is some/most Non GMO crops ARE sprayed with Glyphosate to get them to ripen by sending them the message that they are dying, these can be washed off if done properly/
This is from my health thread I guess it has a purpose here too
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Jimi, can you possibly link the article you're referring to? Glyphosate is a chemical. It doesn't have genes.
I believe it is extremely important that we understand what we're talking about, especially when we are informing others for the first time. The genetic cut/insert is genetic material from the glyphosate resistant bacterium, but I'm willing to read whatever it is you are recalling. I know your wealth of knowledge about these issues is vast.
In addition to the GMO crops listed in your post just above, there also are GMO sugar beets, alfalfa and apples. I know there was a fast track approved GMO rice just a few years ago, but I can't verify whether or not it is still grown/sold.
I have to log out now. I'll check back tomorrow.
Yes it is a chemical but they found a way to splice it into the genes of crops. I wish I could remember all the technical jarbo still but I read so much stuff it's hard to remember it all.
It was a while back somewhere in my health thread, not sure how far back but at least 6 mo. to a year.
The first time I heard it was on a series called GMO's reveiled
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That's almost exactly what I've been saying Jimi, but not quite.
The bacteria's genetic material inserted into the crop seed, is not a GMO bacterium. It's just a naturally glyphosate resistant bacterium whose genes are inserted into the plant, such as the canola seed or the soy, resulting in the plant's glyphosate resistance, making the plant the genetically modified organism (GMO), not the bacterium. So the correct term for the bacterium is the "trans gene" not the "GMO". The plant with the bacteria gene spliced in is the GMO (genetically modified organism).
You and I have never disagreed, Jimi, about the toxicity and danger of genetically modified food and the agricultural inputs needed to produce them, what these foods do to our health, and what this kind of agriculture does to our soil, water, air and wildlife. I'm a stickler for getting it right, because if we don't get it as right as we can, we'll be accused of spreading misinformation/disinformation.
For example, in the first video you posted yesterday, in which Dr. Wendy Myers interviews Patrick Gentempo (love him!), she refers to glyphosate as an insecticide. WRONG !!!!!!!!!! Glyphosate is an herbicide. If we're going to inform those who have not cared about GMO until now, we have to get it right. Also Gentempo says wheat is one of the most "GMO'd" crops, when there has never been any GMO wheat in cultivation. To be accurate he should have said non-organic wheat is one of the most chemical intensive crops in the world, especially with the egregious use of glyphosate at the moment of harvest, to cause the leaves to drop away from the wheat berries, making non-organic bread unsafe to eat. These inaccuracies make me crazy, though otherwise both people in that particular vid say enough, without any other inaccuracies, to make it worthwhile to recommend to people. It's surprising how many people still ask, "what is GMO?"
My question has always been, who has the right to tamper with the genetic makeup of our food crops and endanger them for everyone; who has the right to use deadly chemicals all over crops to the point that we have cancer causing glyphosate in our urine. I forgot about the class action suit against Roundup (glyphosate) for non-Hodgkins lymphoma, because I don't turn on the TV much anymore. Gentempo also points out how the herbicide goes into the soil and sterilizes the soil so it cannot nourish the next crop, causing the need for the application of more fertilizers (usually synthetic, petroleum based fertilizers in large scale industrial agriculture).
As for the second video, this one I'm replying on, from "Real Science", it's on the fence, saying that GMO agriculture is neither evil nor a universal solution. I don't like this one. It chews on Ireland for banning GMO's. It lauds the Bt corn, genetically engineered to have pesticide in every cell, while failing to address how the Bt crop waste goes into the continuous poisoning of the environment, and failing to address how insects develop resistance to any pesticide, so that ruining a whole crop to deter a corn borer was a foolish exercise in futility. That corn borer was long ago confirmed to have become resistant to the poison in BT corn. She revisits the failed "golden rice", lauding it as that cure for vitamin A deficiency blindness, saying it required only one cup per person per day, when in fact, due to poor bio-availability of the vitamin in the rice, it was going to take seven cups per person per day to get that vitamin A level, according to testing carried out on unsuspecting populations, for which the biotech firm, Syngenta I think, was threatened with Nuremburg Code action. It also ignores how the cultivar was going to be the wrong kind of rice plant to thrive in the climate of the targeted areas. It would have been common sense to offer the targeted populations some crop foods naturally rich in vitamin A, of which there are many. I used to think the Peace Corps was for things like that.
People are sometimes afraid to be around us when we're vaping, don't want exposure to our clouds, yet are oblivious to poisoned water from ag run-off, the killing of swamp lands and whole zones of the ocean where rivers run out to sea, massive fish kills in rivers, the poisoning of their own drinking and bath water with agricultural chemicals. Having regulatory authorities pointing to our vapes is just a distraction, to keep people from looking at what really are the serious and constant threats to our health.
You can have the last word Jimi. I won't look back for a reply. I don't want to fuss and argue when I believe, in the end, that you and I want the same things. It's a good thing I never became a school teacher. All of my pupils would have to stand in the corner because I'm a stickler for accuracy, but I'm open to being called out for any inaccuracies I have written.
If anybody thinks we've taken this thread off topic, note this: agriculture is for food, and "what are you cooking" is FOOD. I recommend a book, Michael Pollan's "The Botany of Desire" about the shared continuum of humans and food crops, and how the plants depend on us for their best lives as much as we depend on them.
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I have absolutely no problem, altho i did start a dialogue in the diet thread i think u may have noticed, only because the food u were working so hard on cooking shouldnt be, i dunno, pushed out i guess. u seem like u work really hard on your recipes and stuff, so i dunno, just my opinion
Yes you can see from the food she makes that she really puts her heart in what she does, I wish I had the talent to cook like that.
Yes you can see from the food she makes that she really puts her heart in what she does, I wish I had the talent to cook like that.
Aww shucks yall. I just like to eat, and love to share food across the borders of peoples food allergies, food scruples and personal dietary law. I enjoy the challenges of finding ways for everyone at the table to eat well, even with their constraints.
I've seen both of you displaying creative kitchen genius! And Jimi's gardening talent plays into his lovely recipes and ideas. We all have that interest in the satisfying and nourishing table.
Mr_Nobody, whether I post a recipe here or in the diet tips thread, depends on whether or not I think it will help people stay with their weight reduction/maintenance goals, or their eating plans such as vegetarian or vegan or whatever it is.
I am aware, thats why i bounce between em and pay attention to them both. they r essentially 2 sides of the same coin
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Jimi, as I mentioned in my "caulimeat" taco post, the dish tasted good by itself, but the cruciferous flavor of cauliflower came through too strongly when I made tacos with it, so I am planning a "Take 2" experiment with it before I'll really recommend it as a vegan taco substitute.
If you want to try it on your own in the mean time, here are revisions I'm planning next time:
Ditch the taco seasoning packet. Nobody needs that, and even the organic packet has dodgy ingredients in it.
In the initial fry, in your vegan butter, with the two 10-oz packages of organic riced cauliflower, also include a whole chopped sweet onion, one or two chopped tomatoes and one or two chopped jalapenos or other hot peppers. Stir and turn, let it sit and brown, stir and turn. When the cauliflower finally begins to brown (it takes forever), add in a generous heaping tablespoon of smoked paprika, a level tablespoon of ground cumin, and some red pepper flakes. You can also include cayenne and/or chili powder if you want. Stir and turn some more. There's enough moisture in all that cauilflower that your spices will toast but not burn, but do keep an eye on it. When the flavor and color are right, add in a generous amount of crushed garlic. Stir and turn just to cook the garlic a little bit. Then, I think you have arrowroot on hand. Add some of that to bind it a little bit. Add a little bit of water if necessary, and let it simmer for the great marriage of all those flavors.
Then you can use sweet peppers as your taco shells, or your mushroom caps you like, or whatever tastes good to you as a shell or a wrap. For me it isn't going to be tacos unless I use taco shells. Add some shredded vegan cheese over top, or even better, some chopped avocado, and then your salsa. Maybe some vegan sour cream if that's the way you like your tacos. Fresh thyme goes into almost every hot dish I ever make. Yes or no, up to you.
So that's my Take 2, but I haven't had time to get groceries. If you don't do it I will eventually, and let everybody know how it turns out.
EDIT: Don't add the chopped tomato at the beginning. That much moisture will prevent the cauliflower from browning. Add it at the end for the simmer, and maybe then you won't even need to add any water. Simmer until the liquid is evaporated.
Also some shredded lettuce is a traditional taco topping.
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Thank you my Dear Friend
, I think I might wait till you perfect it but really been itchin to try it but only have a couple heads worth (from garden) left till I can grow more, kinda hate to haveta buy some, homegrown tastes so much better. I love tacos and haven't had one for over 8 years now. Thank you for breakin down the seasoning recipe for me, I rarely use or trust packet stuff. How much chili powder would you use?Well I am goin to be very anxious to see your take two and the outcome
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Thank you my Dear Friend
Well I am goin to be very anxious to see your take two and the outcome
In regular beef taco meat I wouldn't actually use chili powder or the smoked paprika, though I know people do. It's just that the strong cruciferous flavor of the cauliflower needs dumbing down, if that makes sense, so I'm saying to try stuff, and to a degree I'm going by the spices that are in that infamous seasoning packet, because of the way they worked with the cauli flavor. How much depends on how much cauliflower you're cooking. The two 10-oz. packages of frozen riced cauilflower started out as a massive amount in a big skillet, but it cooked down quite a lot from its original volume. Still it was enough to absorb a lot of spice without getting that chalky harsh spice taste.
The smoked paprika at a whole heaping tablespoon will be definitely included in my next try, because of a meaty flavor it gives, not because it's traditional in beef taco meat. The level tablespoon of cumin will also definitely be there. If I added other spices, it would be maybe a half tablespoon of each one, again depending on the volume of your dish. And you can taste it while cooking of course.
Some chili powder already contains marjoram, which is one of those herbs kind of like oregano. It contains the ground chilies of course. Some blends contain garlic, and some contain cumin, so a chili powder is going to repeat some things. Some brands of chili powder contain silicone dioxide, so read ingredients when you're selecting one.
I'll try to do my Take 2 very soon.
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It adds a wonderful taste IMO
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Well, also, mexico isnt exactly the first country one thinks of when discussing a goverment that has the best interests of its people in mind
Edit-beware the soup kabal, lol