HCIGAR VT133/VT167 Dual 18650 DNA200/250

[f1r3b1rd]

Last derail on my mech adventure....
Quick fulfillment... expected delivery Saturday.

The bad news... I thought I was more careful in my sorting but it happened fast. Two of them are hybrid "style" topcaps. One would have been enough.
And worry not dear friends you pillocks... they'll be for much later. I am aware.

I'll be digging out and inspecting my RDA's pins, and my dusty Kanthal... gack.

The good (?) news... the Invader II is not a dual series. It's parallel.
And multi-MOSFET protected with a hard floor of 0.1 ohm. That's useable right away.

Still and all... it'll be fun.

Pulled all my mechs out, made sure they were ready for vapegeddin and ordered one more.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Thanks buddy. This might be hard to believe but I have 8 grandkids. My 4 children are doing their best to make me look/feel old lmao

Cheers,
Steve

Shit, dude that's awesome, you really are an elder statesmen

 

[BillW50]

I think 60 watts should be more than enough power to get to 360 F providing he's using the right TCR/profile. Unless he's using some really beefy coils. I wish I was on my PC so I could be of some help.

It depends on a few factors like airflow, coil(s) size, atty size, etc.

It's set up that way. Bill/Steve is this correct?

Steve got it again. Or was it his grandchildren playing with his phone?

Yes that is Temperature Dominate but I noticed you have your ohms locked also. I don't lock mine for TC (I don't lock them at all. The only reason Evolv suggests you lock resistance in TC is if your resistance is unstable - unstable atty, bad connection, etc).

Well here another reason why you might want to lock your ohms, especially if you swap batteries. As the DNA200 forgets what the cold ohms was when you swap batteries. But keeping it locked, it doesn't (or connected to the USB during the swap). And it doesn't usually work if you lock it before the battery swap. But if you keep it locked most of the time, it isn't a problem.

 

[BoostAddict]

I have always locked my ohms on all my other mods using SS. SS wire(where's the ohm symbol )rises the hotter it gets. Not sure how the DNA board handles it though. I will let you gentlemen discuss this issue/subject

 

[Jim_MDP]

I have always locked my ohms on all my other mods using SS. SS wire(where's the ohm symbol )rises the hotter it gets. Not sure how the DNA board handles it though. I will let you gentlemen discuss this issue/subject

Not sure what you're saying about SS specifically.

All TC wire rises in res as the temp goes up... it's how "res as thermometer" works.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

The reason I don't lock mine with DNA200's is Evolv has refinement. I'll try to explain it the way I think it works. First off the chip notes the cold ohms so you aren't supposed to have to lock it (unless your atty, connection is unstable). Secondly when you build a new coil the resistance changes a little as it breaks in/ages. Refinement will adjust the cold resistance if the Chip sees the cold ohms have changed (after it's been idle for a set time). I've never locked my ohms with DNA200 chips and haven't had a problem. If I'm getting this wrong, feel free to correct me.

PS Locking your ohms shuts off refinement.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Shit, dude that's awesome, you really are an elder statesmen

I can't bring myself to like that . I just had my kids while I was young. That's my story and I'm sticking to it

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Jim_MDP]

If I'm getting this wrong, feel free to correct me.

As I understand it, that's correct.

The DNA's "heartbeat" is "pinging" the coil res, and it continues for some time (10 minutes?) beyond the mod going idle.

 

[Deucesjack]

The reason I don't lock mine with DNA200's is Evolv has refinement. I'll try to explain it the way I think it works. First off the chip notes the cold ohms so you aren't supposed to have to lock it (unless your atty, connection is unstable). Secondly when you build a new coil the resistance changes a little as it breaks in/ages. Refinement will adjust the cold resistance if the Chip sees the cold ohms have changed (after it's been idle for a set time). I've never locked my ohms with DNA200 chips and haven't had a problem. If I'm getting this wrong, feel free to correct me.

PS Locking your ohms shuts off refinement.

Cheers,
Steve

Agreed, I never lock my ohms on a DNA. I just pick the correct profile (sometimes, lol) and vape.

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[f1r3b1rd]

I can't bring myself to like that . I just had my kids while I was young. That's my story and I'm sticking to it

Cheers,
Steve

Hahahahahahaaha, it's all good. My buddy red is the elder statesmen.

But, we all get old, no shame in it bro

 

[BoostAddict]

Not sure what you're saying about SS specifically.

All TC wire rises in res as the temp goes up... it's how "res as thermometer" works.

I was just using SS wire as a example, not specifically

 

[Dragon25]

Hi everyone. Been wathcing this tread for a minute .I'm also one the lucky ones who got in on a Hcigar133 from ecig. It was black frame with silver battery cover. I also picked up one the last green and a black cover from Gearbest before they was gone. Really like the feel of the Green cover. I've been running a IJoy Tornado Nano RTA on it with the black color changing glass. Love this RTA. 18.6mm build deck and holds 4ml. Plus it even has pre-built coils if anyone does'nt build.Best flavor I've had so far on a RTA and even better then a lot RDA(s). Wish Lost Vape would offer a 133 version of the Therion DNA75.Which I think the chips are the same size someone could do a switch since its a two 18650 battery device. Now if ecig would only off the Therion DNA75 for $70 .I missed the ones Gearbest had for $75. I may grab one the Laude DNA75 while cigabuy has them for $50 or go the extra $5 for the SMY SDNA75 .Which to me they look like the same mod. Anyone know about the Laude DR75? Did anyone also see the Player Mod DNA133/DNA200 by Starss .I guess once the 20 % sale is over VaporNW will offer them ??

 

[Deucesjack]

Hi everyone. Been wathcing this tread for a minute .I'm also one the lucky ones who got in on a Hcigar133 from ecig. It was black frame with silver battery cover. I also picked up one the last green and a black cover from Gearbest before they was gone. Really like the feel of the Green cover. I've been running a IJoy Tornado Nano RTA on it with the black color changing glass. Love this RTA. 18.6mm build deck and holds 4ml. Plus it even has pre-built coils if anyone does'nt build.Best flavor I've had so far on a RTA and even better then a lot RDA(s). Wish Lost Vape would offer a 133 version of the Therion DNA75.Which I think the chips are the same size someone could do a switch since its a two 18650 battery device. Now if ecig would only off the Therion DNA75 for $70 .I missed the ones Gearbest had for $75. I may grab one the Laude DNA75 while cigabuy has them for $50 or go the extra $5 for the SMY SDNA75 .Which to me they look like the same mod. Anyone know about the Laude DR75? Did anyone also see the Player Mod DNA133/DNA200 by Starss .I guess once the 20 % sale is over VaporNW will offer them ??

Yep, can't understand why anyone would even make a dual 18650 75 watt Dna mod. So stupid.

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[Wingsfan0310]

I don't have a DNA75 board to measure but I think the DNA200 is slightly longer to accommodate the balanced charging chip. I'll look it up to confirm.

Cheers,
Steve

Edit DNA200: 71 x 18
DNA75: 66 x 18

 

[BillW50]

I was just using SS wire as a example, not specifically

Yeah if you lock a DNA200, what happens is you tell it this is the cold resistance at room temperature. It needs this information when computing what temperature the coil is.

When you unlock the resistance, lots of bells and whistles kick in. Now it measures what the room temperature is, so it doesn't care what the resistance is at room temperature because it knows what the resistance is at any temperature. Even in the Arctic cold. Not only does it once, but it constantly recalibrates itself. That is fine and dandy most of the time. But the sensor to measure room temperature is inside of the mod. So going from one temperature to another which is drastically different, it will take it awhile to get it right. Or if your resistance isn't really solid will throw a monkey wench into the works. And locking it just turns off the fancy stuff.

 

[BoostAddict]

Hi everyone. Been wathcing this tread for a minute .I'm also one the lucky ones who got in on a Hcigar133 from ecig. It was black frame with silver battery cover. I also picked up one the last green and a black cover from Gearbest before they was gone. Really like the feel of the Green cover. I've been running a IJoy Tornado Nano RTA on it with the black color changing glass. Love this RTA. 18.6mm build deck and holds 4ml. Plus it even has pre-built coils if anyone does'nt build.Best flavor I've had so far on a RTA and even better then a lot RDA(s). Wish Lost Vape would offer a 133 version of the Therion DNA75.Which I think the chips are the same size someone could do a switch since its a two 18650 battery device. Now if ecig would only off the Therion DNA75 for $70 .I missed the ones Gearbest had for $75. I may grab one the Laude DNA75 while cigabuy has them for $50 or go the extra $5 for the SMY SDNA75 .Which to me they look like the same mod. Anyone know about the Laude DR75? Did anyone also see the Player Mod DNA133/DNA200 by Starss .I guess once the 20 % sale is over VaporNW will offer them ??

I have 2 of the IJoy Tornado Nano RTA's . That chip coil is the best prebuilt coil i have used! Great RTA! The Laude and SMY are made by the same company. Daniel programed the SMY is why it's more $$ and called a different name IMO.

 

[BillW50]

I don't have a DNA75 board to measure but I think the DNA200 is slightly longer to accommodate the balanced charging chip. I'll look it up to confirm.

Yes the DNA75 is slightly shorter.

 

[Dragon25]

Yep, can't understand why anyone would even make a dual 18650 75 watt Dna mod. So stupid.

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You'd get really good battery life .Same as many the duel 18650 dNA40 devices .

 

[Wingsfan0310]

You'd get really good battery life .Same as many the duel 18650 dNA40 devices .

Well the DNA200 is supposed to be more efficient than the DNA75 (97% vs 85% according to Evolv) so I really don't see any advantage whatsoever to using the DNA75 in a multi 18650 mod instead of a DNA200. Less battery life and less potential power if needed (Lose, Lose proposition) YMMV

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Dragon25]

I have 2 of the IJoy Tornado Nano RTA's . That chip coil is the best prebuilt coil i have used! Great RTA! The Laude and SMY are made by the same company. Daniel programed the SMY is why it's more $$ and called a different name IMO.

Thanks for the info.I thought they look exactly like the same mode. One of the reasons I considered buying this mod is just to have a stealthy mod and if I get tired of it I can build a dNA75 squonker mod with the board. those chip coils are killer for pre-built coils .Hope they offer aliens etc like geekvape is doing for the Eagle tank..Not that I can't build coils but few those are time consuming and tricky.

 

[Dragon25]

Well the DNA200 is supposed to be more efficient than the DNA75 (97% vs 85% according to Evolv) so I really don't see any advantage whatsoever to using the DNA75 in a multi 18650 mod. YMMV

Cheers,
Steve

Did'nt know that..Thanks for the info ..Just another reason to enjoy the dNA200 board even more. Thanks

 

[Deucesjack]

You'd get really good battery life .Same as many the duel 18650 dNA40 devices .

Yeah but it's like dropping a 4 cylinder in a Corvette. Why?

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[Dragon25]

I look at the dNA75 as a budget board and really thats what it should be so that peopel can buy a dependable device for $40-50 and still have many the options of the dNA200 .That being said I really think the Lost Vape Therion should been a 133 device and they could offered a single sell 26650/18650 device in the same style in the $60-$75 range.I don't think any the dna75 devices from China are worth $80-$100+ much less $130..Its a good board for small squonkers needing only one battery or for the budget minded as mentioned..

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I look at the dNA75 as a budget board and really thats what it should be so that peopel can buy a dependable device for $40-50 and still have many the options of the dNA200 .That being said I really think the Lost Vape Therion should been a 133 device and they could offered a single sell 26650/18650 device in the same style in the $60-$75 range.I don't think any the dna75 devices from China are worth $80-$100+ much less $130..Its a good board for small squonkers needing only one battery or for the budget minded as mentioned..

I couldn't agree more about the wishing the Therion (sp) used the DNA200 board. I'd really be interested in it if that was the case. It's a shame really, it's a very sharp mod imo.

To me the DNA75 is for a small single 18650 mod when having something small would be required. If I'm using a dual cell mod it's DNA200 chip all the way. Just my 2 cents, everyone looks at things differently.

PS I'm not a fan of 26650's so I left them off my above post. Again just my preference.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Dragon25]

i'm wondering why everyone is pushing these 26650 devices when they will still run longer on a good18650

 

[Jim_MDP]

PS I'm not a fan of 26650's so I left them off my above post. Again just my preference.

I'm still on these Efests but they do what is says on the tin.
I'm not vaping high watts with it though.
I can't find the high CDR Sony's so I think I'll order a couple of the Basen's that Mooch liked.
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You know the RED VT75 is in stock at VNW, right? Only $66 during the sale.

Not all the grandkids need to eat every day... just sayin'.

 

[Deucesjack]

The slice was my first 26650 mod and it definitely gets better battery life than any single 18650 mod I own. Don't know about the others. It also gives me a little extra wattage than my single 18650's.

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[dwcraig1]

I received mine about an hour ago, put Steve's .ecig file into it for the thermals and themes (changed the rest)
Damn this thing is heavy. Seems to work as it should.

 

[dwcraig1]

i'm wondering why everyone is pushing these 26650 devices when they will still run longer on a good18650

I'm not sure if longer is the right word, stronger might be a better description.(with an 18650)
There is a 50 amp Panasonic 26650 out there @ 2600 mah if you can find one.

 

[Jim_MDP]

i'm wondering why everyone is pushing these 26650 devices when they will still run longer on a good18650

They do run longer on the 26650's... presuming one isn't overpushing the cell.

Too damn many came through Mooch's tests showing CDRs around 10-15A.
Despite whatever CDR the rewrap claimed. That's just unacceptable.

It's a big, fat can... they could easily top 30A CDR and still maintain higher than 20A 18650 mAhs. That would handle the full 75w all day long.

A 26650 would be great at say... a true 30/35A CDR and maybe 3000/3500 mAh.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

i'm wondering why everyone is pushing these 26650 devices when they will still run longer on a good18650

This could get wordy because I want to try and say this right. I'm not sure about longer, but a 26650 has about twice the volume of an 18650 and I think you are more likely to only get about 1.5 the amount of runtime with a good cell. However that's not my biggest issue.

I don't like the fact they are basically all rewraps. I think a lot more R&D goes into 18650's so they are superior (especially if you stick with the big 3 - Samsung, LG, and Sony). I also believe 26650' have a higher internal resistance leading to more voltage sag.

Disclaimer. This is just my personal opinion. I'm not saying anyone should not use them, dislike them, etc.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Jim_MDP]

I also believe 26650' have a higher internal resistance leading to more voltage sag.

That should be almost entirely up to the design choices of the manufacturer, just like 18650s. Some will be inevitable, but I think most will be the thickness of the internal wrap material.
Make your choice... higher capacity (mAh) or higher capability (CDR), or a balance.

I agree we don't have enough attention (yet) from the big mfgs, but I wonder if we're taking them to new uses and they still have to catch up.

I presume most all consumer 26650 flashlights don't need 20+ A CDR, but we do.
I'd sacrifice quite a bit of their 4000-5000 mAh for higher CDR.

 

[TastersChoice]

Welcome to the club . I posted my Ecig profile back on page 7 along with instructions on how to upload it to your mod. It includes 7 profiles (1 for power mode and 6 for TC), case thermals, mod resistance, battery CSV, WH, amount, and type for LG HG2's. It also includes custom screens and custom theme. It will get you setup and ready to roll.
Here's the link:
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/hcigar-vt133-dual-18650-dna200.171476/page-7#post-1181938

PS I also posted the CSV file for Samsung 25R's in this thread. Seems like most of us are using one or the other

Cheers,
Steve

Thank you SO MUCH, I'm looking forward to trying your profiles and making this
sweet little thing look great with your custom themes. I'm also using LG HG2's :T
I placed my order yesterday afternoon so hopefully it arrives by Saturday or Monday.
I'm a bit bummed out though, I had to load up my prepaid card since I don't like using debit cards online. I
ended up purchasing the mod, an additional set of batteries, organic cotton and I barely had enough in my
card to get the silver cover. I was going to purchase the blue cover today and to my surprise there is no more
I should have just gone with my gut feeling and ordered the blue one but the way the black frame with the silver cover looks
is just so freaking cool, now I'm depressed that I missed out on the blue one

 

[BillW50]

VT133 is back in stock at ecig.com in all of the battery cover colors!

 

[Deucesjack]

This could get wordy because I want to try and say this right. I'm not sure about longer, but a 26650 has about twice the volume of an 18650 and I think you are more likely to only get about 1.5 the amount of runtime with a good cell. However that's not my biggest issue.

I don't like the fact they are basically all rewraps. I think a lot more R&D goes into 18650's so they are superior (especially if you stick with the big 3 - Samsung, LG, and Sony). I also believe 26650' have a higher internal resistance leading to more voltage sag.

Disclaimer. This is just my personal opinion. I'm not saying anyone should not use them, dislike them, etc.

Cheers,
Steve

Still though 1.5 run times is a 50% increase in battery life. That's pretty good in my book.

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[Wingsfan0310]

Thank you SO MUCH, I'm looking forward to trying your profiles and making this
sweet little thing look great with your custom themes. I'm also using LG HG2's :T
I placed my order yesterday afternoon so hopefully it arrives by Saturday or Monday.
I'm a bit bummed out though, I had to load up my prepaid card since I don't like using debit cards online. I
ended up purchasing the mod, an additional set of batteries, organic cotton and I barely had enough in my
card to get the silver cover. I was going to purchase the blue cover today and to my surprise there is no more
I should have just gone with my gut feeling and ordered the blue one but the way the black frame with the silver cover looks
is just so freaking cool, now I'm depressed that I missed out on the blue one

You are welcome my friend. If you have any questions when the time comes feel free to ask. Lots of helpful people here.

That's truly a bummer that you missed out on the Blue cover, I think the brightly colored covers really feel good in hand since they have a rubber like feel to them. I only have one so I can't be any help there. Hopefully Ecig restocks the mods with the choices they had before (Blue, Yellow, Silver, and Black - all had Black frames).

Cheers,
Steve

Edit Bill you were reading my mind. That's a short book

 

[Jim_MDP]

I placed my order yesterday afternoon so hopefully it arrives by Saturday or Monday.

I think you'll find USPS is taking Monday off. Bastards.

Fingers crossed for Saturday.

 

[Jim_MDP]

Hopefully Ecig restocks the mods with the choices they had before (Blue, Yellow, Silver, and Black - all had Black frames).

I just checked and that's what they're listing... all as Black/xxxx.

Do you know the material(s) used for the frames and sleds?
I'd swear my Silver is half plastic.
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Damn... for now, I'm gonna pass.
I want a colored cover... but I don't need a third 133.

 

[TastersChoice]

Actually I do have one question if you don't mind.
I ordered 2 new LG HG2's yesterday but I was curious if I could use my existing batteries that
I've used with my current Sigelei 150TC box mod.
The batteries are no longer than 2 weeks old and have been married.
I just want to be able to swap out batteries while the others charge if possible.

And no worries about the covers, I'm sure they'll bring them back out eventually.
The rubbery texture was the only reason I wanted the blue cover, I'm not much
for light blue but I think it looked really nice with the black frame finish on the vt133.
I just got drawn into the black/silver look a little more

damn it Jim now I'm even more worried about my silver cover not being what I expect
also I believe they are made out of Zinc Alloy
nvm I thought you were speaking about the covers @ Jim

 

[BoostAddict]

VT133 is back in stock at ecig.com in all of the battery cover colors!

I just got off Chat with them. They told me it would be cheaper on their July 4th sale. Not like i need another one, but if the price is right

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Actually I do have one question if you don't mind.
I ordered 2 new LG HG2's yesterday but I was curious if I could use my existing batteries that
I've used with my current Sigelei 150TC box mod.
The batteries are no longer than 2 weeks old and have been married.
I just want to be able to swap out batteries while the others charge if possible.

And no worries about the covers, I'm sure they'll bring them back out eventually.
The rubbery texture was the only reason I wanted the blue cover, I'm not much
for light blue but I think it looked really nice with the black frame finish on the vt133.
I just got drawn into the black/silver look a little more

damn it Jim now I'm even more worried about my silver cover not being what I expect
also I believe they are made out of Zinc Alloy

No Problem using your other batteries from the Sig. Heck they are only 2 weeks old and married already. I might catch some flack for this but a married pair is a married pair. I've switched mine from mod to mod before. The only issue would be if you had a malfunctioning mod that was draining them unevenly but it would have to be pretty severe.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Just got this E-mail and figured I should share it with you guys. I checked the mods I'm interested in and even with the sale I can still find them less elsewhere but a couple of tanks seem pretty reasonable (I can get the Supreme cheaper from FT though). Anyway you might find something you like.

PS It's from Eciggity

 

[TastersChoice]

Well it is a series box and one battery normally takes 2-3 minutes longer before fully charging..
Not sure if that's a big enough issue for there to be a problem but I just want to make sure I'm safe.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Well it is a series box and one battery normally takes 2-3 minutes longer before fully charging..
Not sure if that's a big enough issue for there to be a problem but I just want to make sure I'm safe.

That's really nothing when you consider most chargers go down to trickle charging at the end. If your really concerned change 2 of your smaller displays to Battery (Cell 1) and Battery (Cell 2) in Escribe on the Screen Tab so you can keep an eye on their voltage throughout the run (Running Screens). Make sure to click on Upload Settings to Device at the top of Escribe when you are done making changes to save them to your mod

 

[TastersChoice]

man Steve, you are the man!!

thanks alot, can't wait to get my hands on this thing

 

[Wingsfan0310]

man Steve, you are the man!!

thanks alot, can't wait to get my hands on this thing

Your Welcome and thanks for the kind words. Just trying to be helpful! Have a Great 4th of July Weekend!

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Dragon25]

Great Tread ! I have learned alot tonight especially about the 26650 batteries.Never owned a device that uses them. It was a year after I started vaping before I ever bought any mech mods and those have all been 18650 .About all my devices have been regulated. After 3 month into vaping and 3 dead mods I started buying mods with yihi boards then took a risk on the rx200 when it was first released and its had some glitches such as it shows its charging when I never used the usb but may for 2 updates. So when I had the chance to pick the Hcigar Vi133up for cheap at ecig man this thing has changed the way I look at devices especially in Temp control .. Don'tget me wrong I own a yihi SX350J v1(120w) custom mod that had been my main mod but I think I like the DNA200 board better..My mods get used and anything that sets on a shelf for more then a week gets donated to someone who needs it more then me.So I don't see the 133 setting on any shelve for more then a few hours at best.. Love this mod. Along with everyones comments tonight I decided to pass on the DNA75 I considered buying. So I spent the extra $25 and just bought number 2 Hicigar Hi133 from VapeNW.Thanks everyone.. Still may buy a DNA75 board and build a squonker later down the road. Not really into lipos (yet) .

 

[Jim_MDP]

Just trying to be helpful! Have a Great 4th of July Weekend!

Gonna get a conversion top-cap for the OG 'Mizer.
Make it a 3ml stumpy.

 

[TastersChoice]

Your Welcome and thanks for the kind words. Just trying to be helpful! Have a Great 4th of July Weekend!

Cheers,
Steve

likewise brother, be safe and have a great time.

 

[Dragon25]

Gonna get a conversion top-cap for the OG 'Mizer.
Make it a 3ml stumpy.

Not to get off subject but has anyone seen these chuff caps for the Limitless RDTA
https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10023962/5193700-resin-wide-bore-drip-tip-top-cap-combo

again thanks agin everyone and hope you all have a safe and happy holiday.