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BillW50

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First off if you really want it to be dead nuts accurate you need to run the battery analyzer. Batteries lose capacity as they age and also depending on the load they are under. Bigger load, less capacity.

True, and writing down the starting watt hours and the ending watt hours and subtracting them is doing what the battery analyzer is doing. And yes, usually the bigger the load, the smaller the capacity. But it isn't always true of all manufactured batteries. Some actually have more capacity at higher loads. It depends on the chemistries. And yes aging also takes a toll on capacity as well as heat and temperature they are stored at. Here is a great video about all of this.


Secondly while the DNA200 does mainly use the watt hours for the battery bar/meter. It uses that in conjunction with the discharge graph. It would have to because someone could put batteries in that were only charged to 4.0v. If it didn't also use the graph it would be off. What I believe happens is when its been at rest a certain amount of time, the chip compares the voltage of each cell to the graph and adjusts the bar if its off.

True, that is why Jim's battery bar jumped by a huge amount. Heck just today I had my Hotcig DX200 plugged into the USB checking a few things and I swapped lipo packs with a charged up one and the battery bar stayed on empty. It didn't show full until I unplugged from the USB and disconnected and reconnected the lipo. But it would have done it on its own once it checked the discharged graph again. I just didn't want to wait for it.
 

Wingsfan0310

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No, it was a couple of batt swaps ago. And cut-off is still 2.9v
A couple of things I would check if it happened to me.
1. If it's just happening to one set, I'd take a few puffs in the device monitor to see if one cell was sagging more than the other.
2. If your battery charger has a mah readout check to see if from empty all your cells take the same charge.

There's probably more but that's all I can think of atm.
 

Infinite1

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Well since we pretty much talk about everything in this thread (I think it's a good thing) here's a tidbit. It's been so dry here in SE Michigan, most of us are under a no Fireworks/open fires ban. Since my Collie goes apeshit when the neighbors are blowing them off I'm not complaining.

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Here in California not quite dark enough so not sure how lovely it will get. My Staffordshire will be happy of there is no activity tonight :) Otherwise she's gonna go apeshit thinking she needs to look after my son and my preggo wife :)

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Infinite1

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Hey folks, really quick. Anyone have a code for ecig? Finally found something worth adding to my arsenal:) thanks in advance. You can PM me if it's a one time use thing. Greatly appreciate it!

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Hey folks, really quick. Anyone have a code for ecig? Finally found something worth adding to my arsenal:) thanks in advance. You can PM me if it's a one time use thing. Greatly appreciate it!

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Jim_MDP

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A couple of things I would check if it happened to me.
1. If it's just happening to one set, I'd take a few puffs in the device monitor to see if one cell was sagging more than the other.
2. If your battery charger has a mah readout check to see if from empty all your cells take the same charge.

No mAh on the LUC4 and it's both VT133s so I'm thinking settings (I hope).
(See the end comment)


True, that is why Jim's battery bar jumped by a huge amount.

I had a look at the included batt .csv graph and there's a large single panel slope all the way from 51%@3.82v to about 8%@3.6v (no tool-tip data for the closely spaced sections).

This doesn't look like a sudden adjustment because it crossed a delimiter. However...

I was glad to plug in Steve's case data numbers, they were an improvement on, and significantly different than Hcigar's.

I think I should put a known good battery .csv in there and see what happens.

Who got a Sammie or HE4 file I can get for cheap? :p
 

Wingsfan0310

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No mAh on the LUC4 and it's both VT133s so I'm thinking settings (I hope).
(See the end comment)




I had a look at the included batt .csv graph and there's a large single panel slope all the way from 51%@3.82v to about 8%@3.6v (no tool-tip data for the closely spaced sections).

This doesn't look like a sudden adjustment because it crossed a delimiter. However...

I was glad to plug in Steve's case data numbers, they were an improvement on, and significantly different than Hcigar's.

I think I should put a known good battery .csv in there and see what happens.

Who got a Sammie or HE4 file I can get for cheap? :p
You need to change the file extension to .csv
 

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Jim_MDP

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Thank you Steve, I'll try one or both soon.

They're both significantly different and substantially more detailed than the included plot. Much higher percentage as they pass through the 3.6v area.
They're also more than a touch different from each other.
 

Foggz

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Yeah they have the ones with the fancy thumb screws on fasttech. Hold on I'll find you a link.
Edit: here is the silver one but they have them in all colors

yep yep - order placed.. thanx for the assist! I got corrupted in this thread and ordered up one of those fancy vt133's today ;p (now the wait)
Of course that meant I had to also order some new tanks / rda's to go with.
 

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Infinite1

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Let's hear the holiday purchases!!!

I will kick it off with mine;

Silver Herakles-4
Black iJoy Tornado
Silver Hohm tech G2
Orange Fuchai 213 ( yes I know the issues intimately...for Watt mode only :) )
500ml 100mg nic
200FT SS 317L wire

My credit card is not as fried as I thought it would be. I know some of you tell a different tale.

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Jim_MDP

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Let's hear the holiday purchases!!!

This isn't too embarrassing if I keep it limited to just the last two or three days. :rolleyes:

The Black & Blue 133 of course.
Six year supply of Nic (9 or so total now... that's enough).
Second each Bachelor Nano and Serpent Mini, and a Merlin.
The pack of Notch coils I used to get free shipping. :p

And two pounds of premium coffee beans. :D

There were a ton of sales I passed on, and a bunch of flavorings I put off.
Thangs and stuff.

I didn't buy a single thing today (major surprise). :eek:
I was expecting to go nutz, just said screw it.


Now last week... that was bad. o_O
 

Wingsfan0310

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I didn't go to crazy either. I'm somewhat surprised I kept it this reasonable. I guess with all the stocking up I've pretty much bought what I wanted already (WOW, I can't believe I actually typed that. There is hope for me yet :D:giggle:).

Two VT133's Black with Blue cover and Black with Yellow cover (Had a great 1 tine use coupon I was saving for a rainy day + some store credit)
FA Lemon Sicily 120ml
Cap Vanilla Custard 4oz
Cap Butter Cream 4oz
Cap Golden Butter 13ml
Cap Sweet Tangerine 4oz
Cap Vanilla Whipped Cream 4oz
200 feet of SS430

I almost ordered a couple more Supremes and lots of Drip Tips but practiced some self control :D

Cheers,
Steve
 
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Infinite1

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Surprisingly not crazy at all ... kinda disappointing, actually :confused:

black on black VT133
2+2 Rda's clone/org
Fodi (mtl - low watt)
Some flavors
'nother avocado 24

supreme was OOS
430 wire (forgot but no hurry)
passed on the G2, thinking to grab a slice instead

:huh: I so should have spent more lol
Nice. Will have to PM you more about the Avocado 24 but do you run it single or dual? I have the 22 and 24 and would "love" to love it. Not there yet.

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Infinite1

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I didn't go to crazy either.

Two VT133's Black with Blue cover and Black with Yellow cover (Had a great 1 tine use coupon I was saving for a rainy day + some store credit)
FA Lemon Sicily 120ml
Cap Vanilla Custard 4oz
Cap Butter Cream 4oz
Cap Golden Butter 13ml
Cap Sweet Tangerine 4oz
Cap Vanilla Whipped Cream 4oz
200 feet of SS430

I almost ordered a couple more Supremes and lots of Drip Tips but practiced some self control :D

Cheers,
Steve
"crazy" is relative. Good pickups! Now you have me thinking that t have/should hoard some flavor...enabler!

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Wingsfan0310

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"crazy" is relative. Good pickups! Now you have me thinking that t have/should hoard some flavor...enabler!

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I wasn't actually hoarding those flavors. I was just about out of all of them except the Vanilla Custard. That one I was just ready to crack my last 4oz bottle of :D. I like to have an extra bottle of that on hand.

Cheers,
Steve

PS I already received my shipping notice from Ecig a few minutes ago for the VT133's :bingo:
 

Infinite1

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I wasn't actually hoarding those flavors. I was just about out of all of them except the Vanilla Custard. That one I was just ready to crack my last 4oz bottle of :D. I like to have an extra bottle of that on hand.

Cheers,
Steve

I already got my shipping notice from Ecig for the VT133's :bingo:
Yeah makes sense. I'm just debating if I should be adding flavoring to my stash. I don't think it will be hard or impossible to get after 8/8, but don't know what that will do to pricing either .

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Wingsfan0310

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Yeah makes sense. I'm just debating if I should be adding flavoring to my stash. I don't think it will be hard or impossible to get after 8/8, but don't know what that will do to pricing either .

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Capella has been around for awhile and is used in the Food industry. It might get harder to buy it from Vape shops but you can always order it directly from them (their in the USA). FA being in Italy might not be so easy but I'm stocked up on what I need/use from them. I can't see how flavoring can be shut down since it's mainly used in the food industry. Now a flavor company that is Ecig only might be another matter.
http://www.capellaflavors.com/

Cheers,
Steve
 

Infinite1

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Capella has been around for awhile and is used in the Food industry. It might get harder to buy it from Vape shops but you can always order it directly from them (their in the USA). FA being in Italy might not be so easy but I'm stocked up on what I need/use from them. I can't see how flavoring can be shut down since it's mainly used in the food industry. Now a flavor company that is Ecig only might be another matter.

Cheers,
Steve
My thoughts exactly. Did not know FA was Italian though. All of my flavors come from FA from Perfume Apprentice out in So Cal.

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Well I did pretty good
2 more triade mods
90 dollars of flavoring
2 supreme tanks
Mage tank
3 gals of VG
1 gal of PG
5 sets of Sony VCT5 batteries
Still need to order Clapton wire and cotton .


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Infinite1

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Well I did pretty good
2 more triade mods
90 dollars of flavoring
2 supreme tanks
Mage tank
3 gals of VG
1 gal of PG
5 sets of Sony VCT5 batteries
Still need to order Clapton wire and cotton .


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Good pickups. Let me know how u like the Mage. On my list, just did not pull the trigger on it yet.

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ShowerHead

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I was not a very busy boy this weekend.

1L from Nude and 1L from Heartland.
$120 flavoring from BCV
16 4oz boston bottles and polycone caps from Glass Bottle Outlet
Gallon each VG and PG from Essential Depot.
200' 28ga SS430

Nary a device nor tank.
I can help you too with the Vapers Anonymous program!
 

Foggz

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Now you have me thinking that t have/should hoard some flavor...enabler!
haha what are friends for? ;p

All of my flavors come from FA from Perfume Apprentice out in So Cal
yup to add to what Steve said .. 'FA' is for Flavourart = Italy / and then 'TFA' uses a similar new designation 'Fa' - mas confusioso:ejuice::wtf:

I don't think it will be hard or impossible to get after 8/8, but don't know what that will do to pricing either .

I can't see how flavoring can be shut down since it's mainly used in the food industry

agreed on both counts .. not so much hoarding as just needed some ... however also hoarding (hahahaha) only because there may be an availability issue for a short period if there is a run of scare buying from the non DIY'ers when they realize the availability of their store bought may be impacted. Kinda like when snow fall is expected (here in the northern) and everyone buys out milk, bread, and eggs ;p sheeesh
 

ShowerHead

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Back to the VT133, kind of.
So, I get the Supreme, coil and wick it, put it on the device monitor just to check that I had enough power for the dual coils.
Yep, hit the set temp quick and all looked good.
So, I'm vaping happily, then, after a while, I notice a sizzle after taking a hit. I also notice it tastes almost burnt, really hot.
I look and the displayed resistance has dropped by about .15, though I'd think that would cause it to be cooler, maybe not.
Just for fun, I changed to a TCR profile for SS430 and there is no issue. Swap back, very hot almost burnt hits.
I checked to make sure the profile is using SS430 (almost have to as there are only two SS430 TCR and TFR).
Weird, but since it is still great in TCR mode, not an emergency.
Just want to find out what is going on.
A clue, if weak, I put my single coil Bachelor on using the SS430 TFR profile, vapes fine.
 

Wingsfan0310

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Back to the VT133, kind of.
So, I get the Supreme, coil and wick it, put it on the device monitor just to check that I had enough power for the dual coils.
Yep, hit the set temp quick and all looked good.
So, I'm vaping happily, then, after a while, I notice a sizzle after taking a hit. I also notice it tastes almost burnt, really hot.
I look and the displayed resistance has dropped by about .15, though I'd think that would cause it to be cooler, maybe not.
Just for fun, I changed to a TCR profile for SS430 and there is no issue. Swap back, very hot almost burnt hits.
I checked to make sure the profile is using SS430 (almost have to as there are only two SS430 TCR and TFR).
Weird, but since it is still great in TCR mode, not an emergency.
Just want to find out what is going on.
A clue, if weak, I put my single coil Bachelor on using the SS430 TFR profile, vapes fine.
That's strange. I use my SS430 in my dual coil Aromamizer all the time in TC (pretty much all I use any more). I don't have any issues like that. I do use spaced coils. If my resistance ever changes like that, I figure either a coil went bad (possible shorting against the chimney or snapped) or one of the grub screws came loose. That's all I can think of. By the way I use both those temperature settings for mine without issue (SS 430 TCR and SS430 Curve - I don't really notice a difference between the 2). I use 30 watts power, 50 watt preheat, 5 punch for 1 second at 420F. My coils usually ohm out to .30 - .37 depending on diameter and wraps (I usually use 2.5-3mm and 7-8 wraps). For dual coils in TC, both coils have to be the same size in diameter and the same amount of wraps.

Cheers,
Steve
 
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Infinite1

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That's strange. I use my SS430 in my dual coil Aromamizer all the time in TC (pretty much all I use any more). I don't have any issues like that. I do use spaced coils. If my resistance ever changes like that, I figure either a coil went bad (possible shorting against the chimney or snapped) or one of the grub screws came loose. That's all I can think of. By the way I use both those temperature settings for mine without issue (SS 430 TCR and SS430 Curve - I don't really notice a difference between the 2). I use 30 watts power, 50 watt preheat, 5 punch for 1 second at 420F. My coils usually ohm out to .3-.35 depending on diameter and wraps (I usually use 2.5-3mm and 7-8 wraps). For dual coils in TC, both coils have to be the same size in diameter and the same amount of wraps.

Cheers,
Steve
What Steve said. Did you dry burn the coil prior to wicking? I ask BC the resistance will change and "settle" after dry burning and working out hot spots. As Steve said, if all of that is in order. I would check the grub screws.

Good Luck

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Wingsfan0310

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What Steve said. Did you dry burn the coil prior to wicking? I ask BC the resistance will change and "settle" after dry burning and working out hot spots. As Steve said, if all of that is in order. I would check the grub screws.

Good Luck

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I'll add when I dry burn my SS430 coils I use low wattage (10-15 watts) and just pulse the power to they barely glow. I'm just making sure they light up evenly with no hot spots.

Cheers,
Steve
 

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Well I did pretty good
2 more triade mods
90 dollars of flavoring
2 supreme tanks
Mage tank
3 gals of VG
1 gal of PG
5 sets of Sony VCT5 batteries
Still need to order Clapton wire and cotton .


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So you like the triade so much you bought 2 more. I ask because I have 1 one the way and I can't wait. I love the feel of my rx200s in my hand so I think the triade is gonna be comfortable for me. I'm just wondering if I should order another since ecig.com has them in stock for 125 and after the coupon code there 112.50 with free shipping. That's a hell of a deal. I think I'll wait for my first one to show up, before I order a second. Just hope the red is still in stock if I decide to get another.

Wish I would have bought another vt133 when ecig.com had them in stock or from vapenw when they had there 4th sale. I procrastinated and now I can't find them for 80 bucks anywhere. Just don't want the same to happen with the triade.

Let me know what you think of the triade compared to the rx200. Besides being a dna. Thanks
 

Jim_MDP

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@Nevweezy ... was it you with the batt level drop I asked about last night (as Steve believed)?

Sorry if so and I missed a reply.

I've got Steve's 25R battery discharge graph .csv in the 133s now but it'll be a bit before I see any effect.
 

mjag

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Dipping my toes back into the DNA200 waters with a new VT133 I got on Friday.

Very nice and it works well. I did have 2 things happen over the weekend that has me wondering if mine is working right. I was vaping along happily for an hour or so when i noticed the vape changed. I looked at the display and saw that the resistance was no longer locked. This was with the herakles plus with ss coils and the vt133 in ss316 mode. I put the tank away for awhile to let it cool to room temperature then locked resistance again and it didn't happen again. I wasn't messing with the mod, just vaping as i was doing stuff around the house so i know for sure i didn't accidently un lock resistance.

The other thing that happened was while vaping the vaporeso gemini with the ss coil it was working fine in ss316 mode. I am not a big fan of gemini tank or ceramic coils but the vt133 made it vape nicely . I was at about a half a tank when i noticed that when i hit the fire button the temperature would say OFF. I just put it down and grabbed a G2 and vaped away and when i picked it up again 30 min later the temp worked again.

That's the only 2 problems I noticed but I don't understand why that might have happened. I know quirks are common with all mods so just want to ask if it is not a big deal. If it happens again should I begin thinking about a possible return for replacement as something might be damaged?

I still have to get use to using a DNA200 again, previously had the Reuleaux DNA200. I did install Steve's profile for the vt133, thank you for that.

I have to say it is a comfortable mod to hold. A little play in the battery door sliding up and down but things like that dont bother me much. Aside from that the fit and finish is very nice.

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BillW50

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Dipping my toes back into the DNA200 waters with a new VT133 I got on Friday.

Very nice and it works well. I did have 2 things happen over the weekend that has me wondering if mine is working right. I was vaping along happily for an hour or so when i noticed the vape changed. I looked at the display and saw that the resistance was no longer locked. This was with the herakles plus with ss coils and the vt133 in ss316 mode. I put the tank away for awhile to let it cool to room temperature then locked resistance again and it didn't happen again. I wasn't messing with the mod, just vaping as i was doing stuff around the house so i know for sure i didn't accidently un lock resistance.
If it kicks out of TC, the resistance will unlock. Also if you change profiles, the locked one only applies to that one profile. And you don't have to lock it, but it will forget the cold resistance when you swap batteries if you don't. Leaving it unlocked allows Evolv's refinement to kick in.

Resistance lock: The DNA 200 relies on the cold resistance of the atomizer to measure temperature accurately. If the connection is not stable or if you find the measured resistance drifts with time, it may be desirable to lock the atomizer resistance. To do so, while locked hold both the Fire and Up buttons for two seconds to enter Resistance Lock mode. In this mode, the DNA 200 will use the present atomizer cold resistance without refinement until the atomizer is disconnected or the resistance lock is disabled. A lock symbol will replace the ohm symbol on the display. To disable resistance lock, repeat the procedure to lock it.

-- DNA200 Datasheet (Page 6)
 

mjag

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If it kicks out of TC, the resistance will unlock. Also if you change profiles, the locked one only applies to that one profile. And you don't have to lock it, but it will forget the cold resistance when you swap batteries if you don't. Leaving it unlocked allows Evolv's refinement to kick in.

Resistance lock: The DNA 200 relies on the cold resistance of the atomizer to measure temperature accurately. If the connection is not stable or if you find the measured resistance drifts with time, it may be desirable to lock the atomizer resistance. To do so, while locked hold both the Fire and Up buttons for two seconds to enter Resistance Lock mode. In this mode, the DNA 200 will use the present atomizer cold resistance without refinement until the atomizer is disconnected or the resistance lock is disabled. A lock symbol will replace the ohm symbol on the display. To disable resistance lock, repeat the procedure to lock it.

-- DNA200 Datasheet (Page 6)

So it is better to leave the resistance unlocked? I know I never lock resistance on the Hohm G2, they recommend that you don't.
 

Foggz

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about the Avocado 24 but do you run it single or dual? I have the 22 and 24 and would "love" to love it.
Dunno how much info i can give on that.. only had for a short while so far.. dropped the top cap off the 22 down an elevator shaft (watched it bounce right between the cab/floor) ..ordered a 24 from gearbest -which has been 'in transit' from cincinnatti to pa since 6/23 (wtf?;p) so ended up ordering another yesterday - for the 22 tho I was happy with the single SS 26/32 clapton @ 35/60 w/j, TC setting dependent on the juice. Don't really see it as a great tank above that power range. I could prob rival @ShowerHead re issues of leaking so tend to like the genny style more. K.I.S.S. re the builds and DIY juice for the flavor on em.
EDIT: also ran a fused clapton same wire with good results on that

I procrastinated and now...
HOW many times have I said That ! :p

Just don't want the same to happen with the triade
very much thinking there will be flash sales and the like through july.. hopefully anywayz
 
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BillW50

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So it is better to leave the resistance unlocked? I know I never lock resistance on the Hohm G2, they recommend that you don't.
Well most say it is better to leave it unlocked. But I don't like it unlocked with DNAs that I swap batteries in. Otherwise I have to let the coil(s) cool down when I swap batteries. Leaving it locked all of the time, the DNA remembers the cold resistance when you swap batteries. If you forget to lock and you need to swap batteries, plugging into USB power will keep it powered until you do the battery swap.
 

Wingsfan0310

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We go back and forth on this. I leave mine unlocked. I change batteries in the morning normally but even when I haven't I don't run into issues (just wait a few minutes for your coil to cool down).

The DNA200 has refinement in TC. The chip basically monitors the resistance after it has been idle for awhile and if the cold resistance changes (as the coil beaks in, etc) it refines it (lowers or raises). If you lock the resistance you shut off refinement.

Cheers,
Steve

Edit Evolv recommends you don't lock resistance in TC unless your resistance is unstable (unstable atty)
 
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We go back and forth on this. I leave mine unlocked. I change batteries in the morning normally but even when I haven't I don't run into issues.

The DNA200 has refinement in TC. The chip basically monitors the resistance after it has been idle for awhile and if the cold resistance changes (as the coil beaks in, etc) it refines it (lowers or raises). If you lock the resistance you shut off refinement.

Cheers,
Steve

Edit Evolv recommends you don't lock resistance in TC unless your resistance is unstable (unstable atty)
Same here, always unlocked and always a great vape.

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jackmormon

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Same here, always unlocked and always a great vape.

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I am probably weird...Have settled on using SS316L and TI wires. With SS316L I never lock the resistance. With TI I usually do as the refinement which can affect the vape seems to fluctuate more frequently. This may be due to the higher resistance of the SS coils I build versus the TI ones.
 

Infinite1

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Dunno how much info i can give on that.. only had for a short while so far.. dropped the top cap off the 22 down an elevator shaft (watched it bounce right between the cab/floor) ..ordered a 24 from gearbest -which has been 'in transit' from cincinnatti to pa since 6/23 (wtf?;p) so ended up ordering another yesterday - for the 22 tho I was happy with the single SS 26/32 clapton @ 35/60 w/j, TC setting dependent on the juice. Don't really see it as a great tank above that power range. I could prob rival @ShowerHead re issues of leaking so tend to like the genny style more. K.I.S.S. re the builds and DIY juice for the flavor on em.
EDIT: also ran a fused clapton same wire with good results on that

Thanks for the tip! Sorry to hear about the woes you've had tho :).

Yeah, gonna throw a Clapton on there to see what's up. I think I still just might be using a tad bit too much cotton as the wicking I'm getting is not quite there. Few dry hits, definitely not as saturated as it should be.



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