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Lady Sarah

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This thread is magic!
I just magically found three link drop spammers in this thread. :giggle:
I'm pretty sure the links all went to sites that automatically install keylogging software and whatever else they think they need to get dirt on us nasty vapers. If thats the best they can do, they deserve a huge cut in their paychecks.
 

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I'm pretty sure the links all went to sites that automatically install keylogging software

Oh no! That will not do. All my world domination plans will be discovered. First order of business we make f'ing pants so everyone can get f'ed, global orgasm and everyone has a piece so there is peace. Second, we utilize Sporks as the universal eating utensil they are, no more forks and spoons. Third, everyone gets a lifetime supply of Silly Putty & Super Glue. Fourth, well, ... hm ... "Oh I'm being logged here too. Eeek!!!"
 

hellcatrydr

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I never think e-cigarette can help you quit smoking。It’s just a feeling substitute.
I think only strict laws or more serious personal reasons can stop you from smoking。


I think "strict laws" never prevented anything.
 

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Of course, I found out. Anyway, e-cigarettes always help you with something!
 

MyMagicMist

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Of course, I found out. Anyway, e-cigarettes always help you with something!

Do appreciate the confidence in vaping. That said please do not over inflate that confidence. That can be just as bad, if not worse than a total lack of confidence.

Vaping is not a one size fits all panacea, which seems what you're conveying with "e-cigarettes always help you with something!" Vaping will not solve all the world's ills, ailments. It was never intended to do such a thing.

Yes it can help someone sincerely looking to quit smoking, quit smoking. Again though, a sincere desire to stop needs to be there. Some of us swap vaping for smoking, know I have.

Vaping at least offers a cleaner and less risky way to use nicotine. These are what vaping was intended to do. In as much, vaping is an aid to either an end of an addiction, or a help suffering the addiction with less risk.

In summary, vaping is about risk mitigation. Some may argue that using lithium ion batteries creates more risk. That's a valid point. All I can offer as retort is that there will always be trade offs, and if technology/ies are used responsibly risk should still be mitigated.

You can help my "crusade" as it were, write/email/phone some vaping industry leaders and ask for battery recycling programs. We could all use free mailers to ship old, fully discharged batteries back to manufactures/recycling centers. It might also be nice we get rewarded, say for example we send in five old batteries for a free one/two shipped to us.

We could really mitigate ecological risks doing this. I recently saw an article regarding lithium ion cells being recycled. And I'm sure there's more good news on recycling lithium ion cells. My point being a means for responsible use does/will soon exist & we need to follow suit and use responsibly.

But ultimately, it comes back to something my friend @Lady Sarah said.

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. One must really want to, ...

My apologies if this read as "preachy". That wasn't my intention. Only desired to share my view of where we are at currently, & maybe a look to where we need to go.
 
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Exactly. You should ask your boss more about it because our comments add no such value. However, if this is genuine confusion, I’d like to say that vaping is a BETTER option than smoking. People quit normal cigarettes and join vaping. Why do they do that? What do you think? An e-cigarette is an electronic device that works by heating vapor liquids, which produces a vapor that the person then inhales. The liquid burns at a lower temperature than a traditional cigarette. While an e-cigarette doesn't contain tar like a traditional cigarette, it does produce other toxic chemicals. So an e-cigarette is a better way to stop smoking (toxic chemicals)

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Exactly. You should ask your boss more about it because our comments add no such value. However, if this is genuine confusion, I’d like to say that vaping is a BETTER option than smoking. People quit normal cigarettes and join vaping. Why do they do that? What do you think? An e-cigarette is an electronic device that works by heating vapor liquids, which produces a vapor that the person then inhales. The liquid burns at a lower temperature than a traditional cigarette. While an e-cigarette doesn't contain tar like a traditional cigarette, it does produce other toxic chemicals. So an e-cigarette is a better way to stop smoking (toxic chemicals)
If the liquid burns, if the vapor has a burned taste, then you are doing something very, VERY wrong. With vaping, the whole point is to avoid burning anything so there is no smoke, only vapor. The liquid boils when the coil is heated, causing the liquid to evaporate, even though a tiny microscopic portion of the liquid can still end up being degraded, mainly as a result from the heated surface reaching a higher temperature (in some small areas, over some short period of time, repeatedly with every hit) than what's necessary for the liquid to boil and evaporate.

As for the term "toxic chemical", combustion of hydrogen in oxygen is a chemical reaction that produces heat and water (steam). So, water in its purest form is "a chemical" too. In fact it also is toxic, as water that has no minerals in it is very dangerous if you drink it, and, drinkable water that does contain ideal concentrations of all the good, necessary minerals does eventually become a deadly poison, if you rapidly drink too much of it. Harmful is when a substance, be it chemically produced or natural, causes damage to health. Human toxic levels are levels of exposure to substances, the magnitude of the exposure crossing a limit where cells in the human body get broken down or start to malfunction, although the impact of toxicants on personal health may also be limited by the person's ability to gradually recover from various types of harm. The frequency and the duration of the exposure also play a part, as does the exposure to substances that may help to protect against harm and/or may help to recover.

Tar is top on the list of toxicants in burning tobacco smoke. While it it true the fact that switching from smoking combustible tobacco cigarettes to vaping gets rid of the tar [that poisons the lungs], it should also be noted that, for example, the exposure to nitrosamines that occurs by inhaling the smoke from burning tobacco is 400 times heavier when compared to inhaling vapor from vaping.
 
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While an e-cigarette doesn't contain tar like a traditional cigarette, it does produce other toxic chemicals.

Diacetyl​


Diacetyl is a chemical used to give food enhanced flavors. It is often used to make microwavable popcorn taste more buttery. Today, diacetyl is also a staple ingredient of flavored vape products.


According to a 2015 study by Harvard University researchers, diacetyl was present in over 75% of flavored vape products reviewed.

Diacetyl is not dangerous to humans if it is eaten or swallowed. However, it may cause irreversible lung damage if it is inhaled. For this reason, scientists are concerned about the use of diacetyl in vape products, as flavored vapes are meant to be inhaled.

Diacetly is one chemical that consumer group CASAA fought in the early vaping days of vaping to eliminate full, or minimize use. The vast majority of juice vendors ensure there is no diacetyl in their juices to sell. Those vendors still using it only do so in rare cases. In those cases, the customer/s attaing that particular juice are asking for it specifically, and aware it is present.

Volatile organic compounds in vape products can include:


  • Acetaldehyde: Inhaling acetaldehyde can harm the skin, eyes, and respiratory tract, and may cause cancer, according to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).
  • Acetone: According to the CDC, acetone can irritate the nose, eyes, and throat.
  • Formaldehyde: The American Cancer Society (ACS) states that formaldehyde can cause cancer in high doses.

Formaldehyde is present in all of nature. All living things produce their own and release it to the atmosphere & environment. Yes, I'm also aware it also known as embalming fluid. It is also used safely to clean out factory farm chicken houses. It is the only thing which kills the microbes from diseases in chicken scat.

Any of this in vaping is in such minuscule amount as to be not negligible. There's no effect, good or bad from it. Like polypropylene glycol it is general inert in its effects of the body. Am I going to guarantee it can not cause harm? No. Then, I have strong doubt it could for the dose one gets.

Acetone, I'm not sure acetone is present in anything vape related, even via two other chemicals heated and combined. I will not iron clad that there is no acetone in vaping. I find that it would be highly unlikely though.

Acetaldehyde, just go look at the damn wikipedia link. It occurs naturally, is the oxidation of ethenol. Found in coffee. It has a one in a million chance of causing cancer. Gee, even living can cause cancer any more.

What seems to be happening, he says, is that the more heat you pour into the e-cigarette, the faster it makes the liquid evaporate. At some point, however, the liquid can’t get any hotter. So putting even more heat into it no longer just vaporizes it. Now the liquid actually breaks down into new, and more toxic, chemicals.


That increase in the formation of toxic gases tended to climb gradually as the coils got hotter. But at high voltages that changed. Suddenly, Destaillats notes, there was a sharp boost in the three most harmful aldehydes present in the vapor.

Anyone who has vaped over six months and has half a brain cell knows you do not overheat your vape. Usually that half a brain cell bit is a low threshold as people come to vaping after researching it for themselves.

As for toxic metals, again it's a matter of being stupid. When you vape you inspect your coil/s every so often. They look bad, you swap them out. Sometimes you might just get a wild hair and swap them out anyway. The point is the metal is not being degraded bad enough by heating to be released as toxic. Again, that half a brain cell thing comes into play.

It seems an ANTZ is barking up the wrong trees, yet again. Go unfuck yourself.

Being clear, no I do not a medical degree, toxicology degree. What I do have is something akin to what Henry Ford had. I got buttons on my desk used to call up experts that know stuff in whatever field. It's called the Internet/Web, "you're drowning in it" as the Church of the Screaming Electron used to remind us.

Henry Ford left school in the third grade. Behold Ford Motor Company and the whole new process of factory work. My point is I don't need no fancy multiple hundred thousand dollar "degree" to know I can think for myself, go find research, advice, peer reviewed articles ... and think for myself.

Am I saying I'm any better than all that? No. What I am saying though is we each can make our own choices. We each then accept the consequence/s of that. For the longest time I smoked. My wife saw vaping was less harmful. For her I looked into it. I too saw it as less harmful and as a bonus I can still enjoy nicotine if I desire.

Am I going around trying to scare cigarette smokers? No. I figure if you can't read the packages yourself, well, that's on you. Will I let someone ignorantly smoke? No. But do I harp? No.

Do I go around scaring religious fanatics? No. They should figure out religion promotes hate on their own. Do I offer subtle hints? Sure. Do I harp? No.

Do I go around scaring the racial fighters? No. Do I say fear leads to hate? Yep. Do I harp? No.

My point being I'm not zealous, not over anything. I believe we all need to live and let live. What pisses me off though is dumb assed idiots spreading zealotry, fear to others. God damn useful/useless idiots that suck STATE teet can go lick my nuts.

I don't have need, or want of a nanny, thank you. A friend to help out by giving some back out of a "kitty" we've all paid in, on once in a bit, sure. A nanny, no.
 
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Should I use an e-cigarette to stop smoking? I am little bit confused, please help me by sharing your opinion.
anything is better than a cancer stick. by the way you stink...well not you but your breath, your hair, your clothes.your car, need i go on? vape my friend then follow our gang and save your health, your cash oh and make some good friend. i have made 40 or so good friends and only one asswipe..so its a mainly good crowd

cheers
 

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Diacetly is one chemical that consumer group CASAA fought in the early vaping days of vaping to eliminate full, or minimize use. The vast majority of juice vendors ensure there is no diacetyl in their juices to sell. Those vendors still using it only do so in rare cases. In those cases, the customer/s attaing that particular juice are asking for it specifically, and aware it is present.



Formaldehyde is present in all of nature. All living things produce their own and release it to the atmosphere & environment. Yes, I'm also aware it also known as embalming fluid. It is also used safely to clean out factory farm chicken houses. It is the only thing which kills the microbes from diseases in chicken scat.

Any of this in vaping is in such minuscule amount as to be not negligible. There's no effect, good or bad from it. Like polypropylene glycol it is general inert in its effects of the body. Am I going to guarantee it can not cause harm? No. Then, I have strong doubt it could for the dose one gets.

Acetone, I'm not sure acetone is present in anything vape related, even via two other chemicals heated and combined. I will not iron clad that there is no acetone in vaping. I find that it would be highly unlikely though.

Acetaldehyde, just go look at the damn wikipedia link. It occurs naturally, is the oxidation of ethenol. Found in coffee. It has a one in a million chance of causing cancer. Gee, even living can cause cancer any more.



Anyone who has vaped over six months and has half a brain cell knows you do not overheat your vape. Usually that half a brain cell bit is a low threshold as people come to vaping after researching it for themselves.

As for toxic metals, again it's a matter of being stupid. When you vape you inspect your coil/s every so often. They look bad, you swap them out. Sometimes you might just get a wild hair and swap them out anyway. The point is the metal is not being degraded bad enough by heating to be released as toxic. Again, that half a brain cell thing comes into play.

It seems an ANTZ is barking up the wrong trees, yet again. Go unfuck yourself.

Being clear, no I do not a medical degree, toxicology degree. What I do have is something akin to what Henry Ford had. I got buttons on my desk used to call up experts that know stuff in whatever field. It's called the Internet/Web, "you're drowning in it" as the Church of the Screaming Electron used to remind us.

Henry Ford left school in the third grade. Behold Ford Motor Company and the whole new process of factory work. My point is I don't need no fancy multiple hundred thousand dollar "degree" to know I can think for myself, go find research, advice, peer reviewed articles ... and think for myself.

Am I saying I'm any better than all that? No. What I am saying though is we each can make our own choices. We each then accept the consequence/s of that. For the longest time I smoked. My wife saw vaping was less harmful. For her I looked into it. I too saw it as less harmful and as a bonus I can still enjoy nicotine if I desire.

Am I going around trying to scare cigarette smokers? No. I figure if you can't read the packages yourself, well, that's on you. Will I let someone ignorantly smoke? No. But do I harp? No.

Do I go around scaring religious fanatics? No. They should figure out religion promotes hate on their own. Do I offer subtle hints? Sure. Do I harp? No.

Do I go around scaring the racial fighters? No. Do I say fear leads to hate? Yep. Do I harp? No.

My point being I'm not zealous, not over anything. I believe we all need to live and let live. What pisses me off though is dumb assed idiots spreading zealotry, fear to others. God damn useful/useless idiots that suck STATE teet can go lick my nuts.

I don't have need, or want of a nanny, thank you. A friend to help out by giving some back out of a "kitty" we've all paid in, on once in a bit, sure. A nanny, no.
as they say buddy.....a expert is a man who knows 2000 ways to make love. trouble is he does not know any women!
degrees are fine...street life is better.
 

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as they say buddy.....a expert is a man who knows 2000 ways to make love. trouble is he does not know any women!
degrees are fine...street life is better.

You missed my point which doesn't surprise me. Will say though wilderness life can put "street life" to shame. Try getting off your fence and coming to Appalachia, or even the Ozarks. You might find out that street will get you killed real quick. Not by any human being, killed nonetheless.

Our "bush" is far different from yours. I'm aware I would need to learn yours to visit safely. Not sure you would have that same awareness regarding ours. You know exactly what I'm writing here. If you don't well sorry for making you read too much. Point being you don't screw around in nature without knowing it.

As to what I was saying in the other post. I'm not a zealot. Let's all agree to live and let live. Cannot agree to that? Well then I'll respectfully agree to disagree with you. Granted I will attack your ideas with fact, evidence. I don't need to call names, unless you start. Even then I'm hesitant, rather destroy your ideas.

That generally takes intellect. Intellect can come from experiences, either lived or shared in books, stories, articles. Intellect is knowing how to apply it all, use it to live and converse. It's adaptation to a new age, you find that in nature as well. Want to live? Got to adapt.

My core ethos is surviving. Vaping has helped further that ends, no pun intended. Surviving requires adapting. This is obvious in nature, in anything on the planet, any environment you name. If you don't know that or haven't caught my point yet, I'm done kicking a dead horse.
 
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E-cigarettes, also known as electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS), are devices that produce an aerosol (vapor) that is inhaled. They are often marketed as a safer alternative to cigarettes or as a tool to help people quit smoking. However, the long-term health effects of e-cigarette use are not yet known, and e-cigarettes are not currently approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as a quit smoking aid.
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While e-cigarettes may be less harmful than traditional cigarettes, they still contain nicotine and other potentially harmful substances. Some studies have found that e-cigarette vapor may contain toxins and other potentially harmful substances at levels that are higher than or equal to those found in traditional cigarette smoke. There is also evidence that e-cigarette use may increase the risk of respiratory problems, such as asthma and bronchitis.

If you are interested in quitting smoking, there are several proven methods that have been shown to be effective, including nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) products (such as patches, gum, or lozenges), prescription medications, and counseling or support from a healthcare provider or quit smoking program. These approaches have been tested and found to be safe and effective in helping people quit smoking.

It's important to talk to your healthcare provider about the best approach for you to quit smoking. They can help you determine the most appropriate course of treatment based on your individual needs and circumstances.
 

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i think you can do this. i recommend you .
compare with cigarette . vape pen is better.
of couse, no smoke is best.
final,if you use vape product.pls choose brand .
hope you are good. thanks



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They are often marketed as a safer alternative to cigarettes or as a tool to help people quit smoking.
No, they're not so marketed. Marketing them as such is illegal (in the USA). They are, in truth, both of those things but are not generally marketed as such.
the long-term health effects of e-cigarette use are not yet known
Actually, though, based on over 15 years of real-world experience and research, such as medical research using bio-markers, it's nearly certain that the long-term health effects of e-cigarettes are minimal and are vastly less negative than those of smoking tobacco cigarettes.
e-cigarettes are not currently approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as a quit smoking aid.
No, they're not so approved. They are, however, proven to be far more effective as such than any FDA-approved product. Speculation: They will be approved as a quit smoking aid when the pharma industry has competed its elimination of the extant competition and is ready to release it's own vaping products.
e-cigarettes may be less harmful than traditional cigarettes
Not 'may' ... ARE. Obviously. Unequivocally. Conclusively.
they still contain nicotine and other potentially harmful substances.
Nicotine is not harmful in itself unless consumed in amounts vastly larger than anyone can get from vaping (or smoking).
Some studies have found that e-cigarette vapor may contain toxins and other potentially harmful substances at levels that are higher than or equal to those found in traditional cigarette smoke.
No such studies exist that have examined the vapor produced when vaped the way vapers vape and have withstood subsequent scientific critique.
There is also evidence that e-cigarette use may increase the risk of respiratory problems
Inhaling anything other than fresh air is less that ideal. The increased risk relative to continuing or beginning to smoke tobacco cigarettes in miniscule.
If you are interested in quitting smoking, there are several proven methods that have been shown to be effective, including nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) products (such as patches, gum, or lozenges)
"Effective" is a relative term. Those mentioned in this quote are effective for from 7% to 15% of users long-term. They are all marketed by large pharmaceutical corporations. They all contain nicotine derived from tobacco. E-cigarettes have been shown to be over 40% so effective. They may or may not contain nicotine derived from tobacco. Most USA-based products in the category are produced & marketed by small business entrepreneurs.
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Their relative effectiveness is similar to those noted for NRTs above. They carry the risk of multiple side-effects, including fatal ones.
These approaches have been tested and found to be safe and effective
... by the same government organizations that have previously found numerous products to be safe and effective before it was discovered that they were, in fact, unsafe and/or ineffective. Regardless, 'effective is, as stated, relative. 'Safe' is also relative. One example: Chantix, before it was removed from the market, was directly responsible for roughly 1500 suicide attempts & 400 successful suicides annually. For public-health professionals, deeming a product to be "safe" involves weighing those 400 deaths against potential lives extended and potential public cost-savings from quitting smoking with the help of the product.
talk to your healthcare provider about the best approach for you to quit smoking
If your healthcare provider is informed regarding the relative health risks of smoking vs. e-cigarettes and truly cares about your health, that conversation will include discussion of e-cigarettes.

NOTE: This reply isn't intended for regular forum members, who already know everything stated and know the motives of the poster to whom it replies. It's meant for those searching for honest information on e-cigs who might stumble upon the forum & this thread.
 
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No, they're not so marketed. Marketing them as such is illegal (in the USA). They are, in truth, both of those things but are not generally marketed as such.

Actually, though, based on over 15 years of real-world experience and research, such as medical research using bio-markers, it's nearly certain that the long-term health effects of e-cigarettes are minimal and are vastly less negative than those of smoking tobacco cigarettes.

No, they're not so approved. They are, however, proven to be far more effective as such than any FDA-approved product. Speculation: They will be approved as a quit smoking aid when the pharma industry has competed its elimination of the extant competition and is ready to release it's own vaping products.

Not 'may' ... ARE. Obviously. Unequivocally. Conclusively.

Nicotine is not harmful in itself unless consumed in amounts vastly larger than anyone can get from vaping (or smoking).

No such studies exist that have examined the vapor produced when vaped the way vapers vape and have withstood subsequent scientific critique.

Inhaling anything other than fresh air is less that ideal. The increased risk relative to continuing or beginning to smoke tobacco cigarettes in miniscule.

"Effective" is a relative term. Those mentioned in this quote are effective for from 7% to 15% of users long-term. They are all marketed by large pharmaceutical corporations. They all contain nicotine derived from tobacco. E-cigarettes have been shown to be over 40% so effective. They may or may not contain nicotine derived from tobacco. Most USA-based products in the category are produced & marketed by small business entrepreneurs.

Their relative effectiveness is similar to those noted for NRTs above. They carry the risk of multiple side-effects, including fatal ones.

... by the same government organizations that have previously found numerous products to be safe and effective before it was discovered that they were, in fact, unsafe and/or ineffective. Regardless, 'effective is, as stated, relative. 'Safe' is also relative. One example: Chantix, before it was removed from the market, was directly responsible for roughly 1500 suicide attempts & 400 successful suicides annually. For public-health professionals, deeming a product to be "safe" involves weighing those 400 deaths against potential lives extended and potential public cost-savings from quitting smoking with the help of the product.

If your healthcare provider is informed regarding the relative health risks of smoking vs. e-cigarettes and truly cares about your health, that conversation will include discussion of e-cigarettes.

NOTE: This reply isn't intended for regular forum members, who already know everything stated and know the motives of the poster to whom it replies. It's meant for those searching for honest information on e-cigs who might stumble upon the forum & this thread.
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E-cigarettes, also known as electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS), are devices that produce an aerosol (vapor) that is inhaled. They are often marketed as a safer alternative to cigarettes or as a tool to help people quit smoking. However, the long-term health effects of e-cigarette use are not yet known, and e-cigarettes are not currently approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as a quit smoking aid.
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While e-cigarettes may be less harmful than traditional cigarettes, they still contain nicotine and other potentially harmful substances. Some studies have found that e-cigarette vapor may contain toxins and other potentially harmful substances at levels that are higher than or equal to those found in traditional cigarette smoke. There is also evidence that e-cigarette use may increase the risk of respiratory problems, such as asthma and bronchitis.

If you are interested in quitting smoking, there are several proven methods that have been shown to be effective, including nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) products (such as patches, gum, or lozenges), prescription medications, and counseling or support from a healthcare provider or quit smoking program. These approaches have been tested and found to be safe and effective in helping people quit smoking.

It's important to talk to your healthcare provider about the best approach for you to quit smoking. They can help you determine the most appropriate course of treatment based on your individual needs and circumstances.
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e-cigarette vapor may contain toxins and other potentially harmful substances at levels that are higher than or equal to those found in traditional cigarette smoke.

What "other substances"? More often than not, you have propylene glycol, and/or vegetable glycerin used as "carrier" solvents for nicotine and/or already approved for consumption flavorings.

PG is used in agriculture to keep water in troughs from freezing for livestock. If it were so toxic, we'd not be fed livestock which consumes it. PG is also used in asthma inhalers and cough syrups to carry medicines. Don't use Lysol to disinfect either or risk killing everyone for the PG in it.

Vegetable glycerin can be found in beets, tomatoes, carrots, cucumbers, squash, potatoes, I'm sure you see where that goes. VG isn't toxic, lest we all be dead from green beans. Worst case is you get hooked on natural sugars, oh my.

Flavorings are used in confectionaries, pastries, baking, food processing. Avoid Taco Bell, they use a mixture of flavorings and raw protein to create their "meat". You can also side step anything made with TVP (Texturized Vegetable Protein/s), they rely upon flavorings to trick folks into thinking they're meat. Think of the widely popular McRib sandwiches, TVP.


You seem discontent to be a mere troll, choosing rather to appear an A.N.T.Z (Anti Nicotine Trolling Zealot). Please do not attempt further communication with me directly. Say what you will as is your right and I'd defend that. However, it's my right also to not hear what you say.
 
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No dog in the fight but my 2 cents on the diacetyl thing.

I have been pretty much only vaping Cromwells Custard for 8? years now. Main ingredient is Capella Vanilla custard V1. His diacetyl. Had a low dose CT scan on lungs last year as a doctor recommended check and Medicare would pay for it :) Anyway result was lungs are in very good shape for an old man like me. Not only little to no damage from 40 yrs of smoking but no damage from vaping for around 8 years? Getting old forget exactly when I stopped spoking and started vaping...
BTW off of nic now for around a year but still vaping :D
 

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However, e-cigarette aerosol is not harmless. It can contain harmful and potentially harmful substances, including nicotine, heavy metals like lead, volatile organic compounds, and cancer-causing agents.
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Trust the CDC on vaping from which you copied that, or from a site that quoted the CDC?
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Millions of people around the world have used vaping to quit cigarettes permanently. Many of them have thus recovered their health, myself included. I am grateful every day for a safer alternative to smoking.

If you really are in search of toxins, harmful additives and cancer causing elements, then get back to your cigarettes. Go get yourself some fast food. Especially wait for your fast food in a line wrapped around the fast food shack, while sucking in the carbon monoxide from the cars ahead of you and behind you. Go have a drink (but don't aim your car at me afterwards). Take a walk through the magical leafblower plumes. Or sit at your computer searching for big anti-vaping words until you get carpal tunnel syndrome.

Anyway, looks like janjan41jan is gone. Another hit & run troll.

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Millions of people around the world have used vaping to quit cigarettes permanently. Many of them have thus recovered their health, myself included. I am grateful every day for a safer alternative to smoking.

If you really are in search of toxins, harmful additives and cancer causing elements, then get back to your cigarettes. Go get yourself some fast food. Especially wait for your fast food in a line wrapped around the fast food shack, while sucking in the carbon monoxide from the cars ahead of you and behind you. Go have a drink (but don't aim your car at me afterwards). Take a walk through the magical leafblower plumes. Or sit at your computer searching for big anti-vaping words until you get carpal tunnel syndrome.

Anyway, looks like janjan41jan is gone. Another hit & run troll.

View attachment 203602 CANCER, LEAD, HARM, FEAR, PANIC, NYIT NYAT NYIT NYAT, LOOK AT ME I CAN FIND RESEARCH ONLINE THAT REINFORCES MY ELEVATED OPINION OF MY OPINION. I DON'T VAPE SO YOU CAN'T VAPE.
a lot of hospitals in Europe stock vapes now, they found out after many years and many millions of bucks that vaping is more likely to help a person stop smelling like week old socks than nicobate gum of patches. Its ironic that a lot of people trust hospitals but now i wonder if they believe ,like we do that even hospitals have belief in vaping, we all know that nothing other than oxygen should be hitting your lungs, however surely a product with less harmful chemicals is still better for you.
by the way be careful reading books about health, reading hurts your eyes so they say. whatever!
 
I don’t think e-cigarettes are a good way to stop smoking. They still contain nicotine, which is addictive and harmful to your health. They also have other chemicals that can cause cancer and lung problems. I think the best way to quit smoking is to use other methods, such as patches, gum, or counselling. E-cigarettes are not worth the risk.
 

Bliss Doubt

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I don’t think e-cigarettes are a good way to stop smoking. They still contain nicotine, which is addictive and harmful to your health. They also have other chemicals that can cause cancer and lung problems. I think the best way to quit smoking is to use other methods, such as patches, gum, or counselling. E-cigarettes are not worth the risk.

O hallo gadass. Weren't you clever to whomp up a new user account on this forum, just to tell us we're doin' it wrong.

What a brilliant scientist you are, pointing out that e-cigarettes still contain nicotine. You don't think the patches and gum contain nicotine too? They do because cigarettes are addictive, and nicotine containing alternatives support us in staying off cigarettes.

The difference is that vaping works. The patch and gum have high failure rates. Honest, ACCREDITED scientists have pointed out that vaping is a safer alternative to smoking. You're believing the media anti-vaping hysteria if you swallow the idea that vaping contains harmful chemicals that cause cancer and "lung problems".

What you don't know is this thread was created to quarantine trolls and keep them away from the rest of us, most who have successfully stayed off cigarettes by vaping.

Good luck in your professional trolling endeavors. They probaby want to hear from you over at ECF too :)

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2WhiteWolves

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@gadas1 so what you started Vaping just cause it looks cool?
I don’t think e-cigarettes are a good way to stop smoking. They still contain nicotine, which is addictive and harmful to your health. They also have other chemicals that can cause cancer and lung problems. I think the best way to quit smoking is to use other methods, such as patches, gum, or counselling. E-cigarettes are not worth the risk.
Becauae you said this secondly....
Vaping is not only a healthier alternative to smoking, but also a stunning hobby to enjoy. I love capturing the amazing shapes and colors of my vape clouds with my camera. I follow some tips from some youtube videos to get the best shots. I also like experimenting with different flavors and devices to find my perfect vaping style. My favorite device right now is the VAPORESSO LUXE X PRO, which has a sleek design and a powerful performance. Vaping is more than just a habit, it’s an art form.
Hmm
 

Jimi

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I don’t think e-cigarettes are a good way to stop smoking. They still contain nicotine, which is addictive and harmful to your health. They also have other chemicals that can cause cancer and lung problems. I think the best way to quit smoking is to use other methods, such as patches, gum, or counselling. E-cigarettes are not worth the risk.
Ok I've gotta open my big mouth and say something here.
You say you don't think e-cigs are a good way because they contain nicotine yet you recommend patches and gums, hmm last time I checked patches and gum to quit smokin contained the very same nicotine that you sited. Then you go on to say e cigs also have other chemicals, hmmm, and the patches (chemicals to help the nic penetrate more evenly to avoid toxic shock) nd the gum (Flavoring and who knows what) don't? :facepalm: Well all I can say is enjoy you gum and patches
 

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