R.I.P FOR RIP? NEW ALLEGATIONS ABOUT THE REVIEWER BREAK

[JColt]

I'm just your average citizen but when ever I have undeniable proof it doesn't take me long at all to tell it. Where in the hell is this undeniable proof at? Someone on FB today said they have known he was on the take for a long time but swore to the person who told her that she would not give up the source. As Clara Peller used to say, Where's THE BEEF?

 

[Lefty]

Time for another rinse and spin cycle.

 

[Iamme]

Grimm Green doesn't have a schtick? You're kidding right? Dude is the biggest hipster out there and we love him for it.

Hipster, yes shtick no. He is a hipster. Nick is Nick. As I said earlier I doubt Rip is in wacky faced red neck mode all the time off cam. Everyone has a style, personality and a way they very themselves. Is he a hipster, oh hell yes. Is it a act or gimmick for his reviews. From what ai have seen and heard from people that know him, it isn't, he is just himself.

I wear a chain wallet and horror movie shirts and have my own mix of slang and Ebonics that range from the 50s till now. If I did videos it would catch people attention. They would love or hate it. It would still be me and not a shtick. Now if I did it to get likes on facebook and YouTube hits it would be a sctick. Grim made videos way before there was even a hipster movement. I'm just saying there are a lot of big name reviewers out there and as far as I know he is the realist one.

 

[Spike64]

on another note, this is my 1000th post

Post whore!...lol...

 

[VapingKicksAsh]

I personally could give a shit less if he gets paid for reviews. I prefer to watch\read reviews by "real people" meaning: They have their heart into their review not a paycheck.

 

[DarthVaper419]

Hipster, yes shtick no. He is a hipster. Nick is Nick. As I said earlier I doubt Rip is in wacky faced red neck mode all the time off cam. Everyone has a style, personality and a way they very themselves. Is he a hipster, oh hell yes. Is it a act or gimmick for his reviews. From what ai have seen and heard from people that know him, it isn't, he is just himself.

I wear a chain wallet and horror movie shirts and have my own mix of slang and Ebonics that range from the 50s till now. If I did videos it would catch people attention. They would love or hate it. It would still be me and not a shtick. Now if I did it to get likes on facebook and YouTube hits it would be a sctick. Grim made videos way before there was even a hipster movement. I'm just saying there are a lot of big name reviewers out there and as far as I know he is the realist one.

Hipsters have been a thing for almost a decade now. Well before grimm was grimm

Also, not directed at above quote, and it's been said, being paid to promote something is not the same as being paid to review something.

I don't even like rip and it's clear that this is a way for people to increase their own notoriety (and make more money) by attaching their wagons to a more popular and successful reviewer. Whole thing is a lame, boring, witch hunt

 

[Garemlin]

I gotta admit I watched the Mod Envy replay earlier today just to find out what twisted had to say. Never watched one before. What a waste of time. I want my 20 minutes or so back. LOL

Tap'd from my LG G3

 

[Drone]

I think it's hilarious that some are so emotionally invested in defending Rip or attacking Twisted in allegations that haven't even been made yet. Yes there has been some teasers on what's to come with the full allegations... but they haven't been made yet, just promised. It would seem to be a bit more prudent to wait for the full allegations, with whatever proof might be supplied before picking a side to defend/attack. I just can't see joining an argument before the argument has been defined. It just sounds like fanboyism until then.

What is clear though is that we have been invited to a real life slow motion train wreck which regardless of who you like should prove an excellent source of entertainment. I have no idea which train is going off the track yet, the Rip Express or the Twisted Railways, but there's a train about to derail. Maybe it will be a head-on and they both go up in flames. Who knows at this point? But I am thoroughly enjoying the anticipation and will stick around to see the carnage.

Popcorn bags are lined up by the microwave.

 

[Jack Vityas]

I think it's hilarious that some are so emotionally invested in defending Rip or attacking Twisted in allegations that haven't even been made yet. Yes there has been some teasers on what's to come with the full allegations... but they haven't been made yet, just promised. It would seem to be a bit more prudent to wait for the full allegations, with whatever proof might be supplied before picking a side to defend/attack. I just can't see joining an argument before the argument has been defined. It just sounds like fanboyism until then.

What is clear though is that we have been invited to a real life slow motion train wreck which regardless of who you like should prove an excellent source of entertainment. I have no idea which train is going off the track yet, the Rip Express or the Twisted Railways, but there's a train about to derail. Maybe it will be a head-on and they both go up in flames. Who knows at this point? But I am thoroughly enjoying the anticipation and will stick around to see the carnage.

Popcorn bags are lined up by the microwave.

Allegations have been made, hence the drama. It's the proof that has been promised but not made yet. Suppose to show today but I wouldn't be surprised if there are some " technical difficulties " or something along the lines like, " My lawyer told me to shut up so I can't show you what I promised " you know how these things go.

 

[M5amhan]

Post whore!...lol...

1001

 

[Drone]

Allegations have been made, hence the drama. It's the proof that has been promised but not made yet. Suppose to show today but I wouldn't be surprised if there are some " technical difficulties " or something along the lines like, " My lawyer told me to shut up so I can't show you what I promised " you know how these things go.

What I saw is a few teasers with more allegations to come... and yes the "proof", whatever that may be. So I expect quite a bit more to be presented. And we have a front row seat! Great isn't it? And you may be right that there might be "technical difficulties" delaying the wreck while everyone lawyer's up. Always good to have ambulance chasers available to deal with the carnage. I hope it isn't delayed too much though so short attention spans don't spoil what could be a great show.

 

[travanx]

Depends.

100K sounds like a lot of money. Until you start adding up expenses. Like Taxes, equipment costs, and various other overheads.

100K isn't jack to someone that is self employed.

To replace a job that pays you 50k a year, to be self employed you need to make 150k.

Running my own company I disagree. Your take home after expenses is what you make. For example I pay my liability insurance, computer equipment, professional license, business license, medical insurance, etc. And then I pay myself. There is no way you are paying $100k in taxes in your example as taxes are the only real difference between a W2 and a 1099. The added benefit is that the sky's the limit working for yourself whereas working for someone you are capped at the going rate.

This thread is interesting as I have a very good friend who is an app developer. And he broke down a very popular iOS game and how it went to the top in a day, since he knows the person who made it and how they went about it. In that case the app developers are tied closely into the review community. I figured the vaping videos were similar in concept. I think product promotion on the internet and getting paid is a big grey area right now. I remember reading that you are supposed to disclose if you are being paid for reviews, whether its cash or free product. But who is monitoring this? I doubt anyone.

As to youtube views, I have read they make much less. Where I think the real money comes in is how they direct the visitor. Amazon paid links can make good money. Going to a separate website even with adsense links can generate a good amount of money. Not to mention a lot of these people have their own stores. Pbusardo looks like someone who enjoys this on the side and can make a little extra cash out of it.

I have random adsense links on a couple of my business blog posts and figure if a few people click them it pays for our hosting for the year. $3/click on average. I made posts on my personal blog for other purposes and decided to throw some amazon links on there just because it took 30 seconds and why not. How people are making money on the internet isn't as obvious as it looks.

 

[ej1024]

SUCK MY MOD IF ur reading this be ready ur NEXT!!!
VAPE ON

 

[freemind]

Running my own company I disagree. Your take home after expenses is what you make. For example I pay my liability insurance, computer equipment, professional license, business license, medical insurance, etc. And then I pay myself. There is no way you are paying $100k in taxes in your example as taxes are the only real difference between a W2 and a 1099. The added benefit is that the sky's the limit working for yourself whereas working for someone you are capped at the going rate.

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I didn't say you paid 100k in taxes on 150k. Self employment taxes, or an owner draw, are taxed at higher rates than what an employee pays. You are paying payroll taxes and SS taxes both ways. But I'm sure you know this, if you are self employed.

However, it's typical of business, that overheads are about 50% of gross income. Especially if you are a good businessman and make your business pay ALL expenses it's supposed to. That means a home based business, actually PAYS for the portion every month, that it's claiming on the schedule C.

For a guy who was making 50K working someplace else with benefits like insurance, 401K, vacation time, etc. they have to make MUCH more than 50 K to cover those expenses and keep themselves at the same lifestyle/benefits they had before.

You can make the business pay for all those benefits, but it doesn't lessen the fact you need to make MUCH more as a person self employed, then employee, to be in the same place.

Not to mention the HUGE investment of your time and life, to keep a business running and successful.

 

[VaporJoe]

one question....a year from now, who's gonna care?

Try 2 weeks lol

 

[Crotchrot]

Where's the damn snitching with twisted420 video? lol

 

[freemind]

Try 2 weeks lol

I'm one of "those guys" that doesn't forget. I remember very well, what others do and say.

If someone is just pulling some shit to get attention, they quickly become irrelevant to me, and I ignore everything else they ever have to say again. Avoiding them like a truck stop hooker.....

And I am not too bashful to remind everyone else, at any opportunity, what a lying sack of shit they were.

 

[Zamazam]

Where's da video and the proof? Accusations as strong as Twisted and Matt's better have some solid proof.

 

[freemind]

Maybe @VaporJoes should call his buddy Twisted and ask him what's up!

 

[Browncoat]

Where's da video and the proof? Accusations as strong as Twisted and Matt's better have some solid proof.

At this point, it's irrelevant. I've talked to Matt, and he wouldn't drop names or go on the record. Maybe Twisted420 has other info, or has gotten a vendor or two to come forward, but I seriously doubt it. This "proof" is probably going to be more hearsay and more speculation. Without a vendor to co-sign this thing, it means nothing.

 

[freemind]

At this point, it's irrelevant. I've talked to Matt, and he wouldn't drop names or go on the record. Maybe Twisted420 has other info, or has gotten a vendor or two to come forward, but I seriously doubt it. This "proof" is probably going to be more hearsay and more speculation. Without a vendor to co-sign this thing, it means nothing.

I'm sure as a blogger, journalist, or however you guys want to tag yourselves, this is something pretty damn frustrating. You scoop some info posted by people who should be trusted to offer credible info (should be!). And then they leave you hanging, making you all look goofy with egg on your face.

This, after writing a article, trying to inform others. To serve our best interests, and keep things open and honest.

I sure hope, anyone who get hung out to dry by Twisted and Mod sucking Matt, crucify these two turds if they are doing nothing but lying to stir attention to themselves. I'd give them more attention then they ever hoped to get, and not the kind they ever wanted either!

 

[Zamazam]

So nothing but a fucking vaping soap opera at this point. It's not irrelevant since there has been a ton of poop flinging on all sides. I could care less about the reviewers involved, but what I am insistent on is that if someone is going to make an accusation of financial malfeasance, there had better be proof behind it. I dislike Trippers style and have watched 2 videos of his on coil building. Matt and his channel? Meh. Same with Twisted420. You can only take so much shtick before it gets old.

edit: I'm done with this crap. Let 'em fight, accuse, counter-accuse, whatever. Won't matter a hill of beans in a few weeks, or when the next big vaping tech hits the market.

 

[lasttango]

I'm starting to take issue with Grimm being called a hipster... Grimm's not Bourgeois enough to be a hipster...------> and I mean this as a compliment to Grimm ;-)

 

[Browncoat]

I'm sure as a blogger, journalist, or however you guys want to tag yourselves, this is something pretty damn frustrating. You scoop some info posted by people who should be trusted to offer credible info (should be!). And then they leave you hanging, making you all look goofy with egg on your face.

This, after writing a article, trying to inform others. To serve our best interests, and keep things open and honest.

I sure hope, anyone who get hung out to dry by Twisted and Mod sucking Matt, crucify these two turds if they are doing nothing but lying to stir attention to themselves. I'd give them more attention then they ever hoped to get, and not the kind they ever wanted either!

Yes, it's frustrating. Especially when you have information direct from a source, but can't publish it because no one wants to assign their name to it. Yeah, I could publish that an "anonymous source" said this or that, but that's lame. It doesn't have any credibility.

If this thing turns out to be a turd, rest assured that Twisted and Matt will be called on it.

 

[kelli]

I'm starting to take issue with Grimm being called a hipster... Grimm's not Bourgeois enough to be a hipster...------> and I mean this as a compliment to Grimm ;-)

i recognize that avatar from somewhere

 

[Zamazam]

I'm starting to take issue with Grimm being called a hipster... Grimm's not Bourgeois enough to be a hipster...------> and I mean this as a compliment to Grimm ;-)

I've got a hipster next door, drinks Pabst and all that cool stuff, plus has lots of tats. What a minute! My Dad drank Pabst, and had tats from his time in the Marines plus a goatee. Damnation, he was a hipster! All this time I never realized it...

 

[freemind]

Yes, it's frustrating. Especially when you have information direct from a source, but can't publish it because no one wants to assign their name to it. Yeah, I could publish that an "anonymous source" said this or that, but that's lame. It doesn't have any credibility.

If this thing turns out to be a turd, rest assured that Twisted and Matt will be called on it.

I am failing to see, WHAT they have to fear if they have proof Rip was shaking them down for MONEY to give positive reviews.

If the truth hurts, then Rip should change his ways. IF this is the truth. I want to see proof.

 

[Spike64]

Try 2 weeks lol

That's mainly because if the behavior of some in the vaping community holds true to the form we have become accustomed to, we will all have moved onto the next parcel of drama that will be inevitably shit stirred...

 

[Browncoat]

I am failing to see, WHAT they have to fear if they have proof Rip was shaking them down for MONEY to give positive reviews.

Well, in my opinion, there are a couple different ways to look at this:

One, is from the vendor's standpoint. You don't want to be the vendor who all of this is pinned on. As bad as it would be for Rip, it would be even worse for the vendor if it's discovered that you paid for a positive review of your product when it wasn't disclosed. If this ends up turning into an FTC investigation, which is highly unlikely, but still...it would be the vendor who gets lashes, not Rip Trippers. I can see where these guys would want to avoid that, and why a vendor wouldn't want to come forward. Public opinion alone might be enough to hurt business.

Second, is money. The "if Rip can charge money, why can't we" mentality. Self-interest. Why out someone when maybe you can cash in, too? Cripes, our entire system of government exists on this principal.

 

[DeRaafMedia]

Meanwhile

"Worst Drama ever"!

 

[Browncoat]

Twisted420 posted a vid to his Facebook fan page about an hour ago. It was an outtake of him singing during the taping of an upcoming video. He didn't say WHAT video, it could just be a review...or it could be THE video.

 

[RichS]

 

[Browncoat]

Lexicon.

The answer to your signature is lexicon.

 

[vaperature]

I should be selling tickets outside of this circus.

 

[freemind]

Well, in my opinion, there are a couple different ways to look at this:

One, is from the vendor's standpoint. You don't want to be the vendor who all of this is pinned on. As bad as it would be for Rip, it would be even worse for the vendor if it's discovered that you paid for a positive review of your product when it wasn't disclosed. If this ends up turning into an FTC investigation, which is highly unlikely, but still...it would be the vendor who gets lashes, not Rip Trippers. I can see where these guys would want to avoid that, and why a vendor wouldn't want to come forward. Public opinion alone might be enough to hurt business.

Second, is money. The "if Rip can charge money, why can't we" mentality. Self-interest. Why out someone when maybe you can cash in, too? Cripes, our entire system of government exists on this principal.

From the vendor's standpoint, if you are skirting around laws or rules, WTF do you have to complain about? You got what you wanted, then you bitch AFTER the fact? So yeah, I can see why they wouldn't want to reveal themselves, but I fail to understand WHY they said anything in the first place. They knowingly and willingly PAID to have a positive review, and they knew beforehand it was wrong.

Secondly, what business person thinks advertising is FREE? Hell, I'd LOVE to get free advertising. Because for most of us business owners, it is a fair expense to us. Word of mouth from happy customers is gold to us. But to think a review that will reach 10k PLUS subscribers should cost you nothing more than a mod (that you have 30-40-50-60 bucks into)?! That's a fairytale thought too.

And bloody hell, I've PAID for video reviews. Yes, there are several places to buy these, AND you can buy "likes" and subscribers to your YouTube channel as well.

Were I a vendor, I'd have my OWN channel, and get people to subscribe. Vendors paying reviewers are going about this the WRONG way. Let the manufactures PAY for that.

 

[Browncoat]

All very good questions and points raised, sir.

Is it because there's such a stigma in vaping when it comes to money? There seems to be an overabundance of vapers who don't get it. There are a ton of comments on Facebook and YouTube and Reddit and everywhere when it comes to anyone being paid in this industry. It's taboo. It's like people are completely oblivious to how the rest of the world works.

It's all about who's getting paid, who isn't, what they do or don't deserve, and where the money comes from.

 

[Jack Vityas]

I'm starting to take issue with Grimm being called a hipster... Grimm's not Bourgeois enough to be a hipster...------> and I mean this as a compliment to Grimm ;-)

I'm sure Grimm toots and burps in your general direction.

 

[Cloudy Peak Vapes]

1001

901

I've been reading and watched last night as well, and I'm left rather perplexed by all of this. At this point, it all smells like shit. I'm truly blown away by all of this. Why bother bringing it up in the first place without people committed to backing this up.

And I know that ethically this does matter to an extent. We need to know where bias may be coming from, which disclosures would provide. If you're old enough to vape, however, you should know to take everything with a grain of salt. In reality, though, if no evidence is brought forward, especially when promised, then everyone involved has credibility issues. If that ends up being the case, though I understand the possible motives, I don't get why one would go so far to achieve them. It's all just some weird shit, to say it in such a way that isn't eloquent at all.

What a strange drama filled thing this is. Can't we all just vape and get along? Lol. The vaping community is truly filled with tons of awesome people. If you desire, there's enough info and friendly people willing to help eachother out that you can just absorb information like a sponge, and I have, and am appreciative of it. The drama, though, is crazy. I truly don't care, I have too much shit IRL of greater importance, but at this point, I'm sucked in. I feel the need to know what this is all about. I'm gonna unwatch this thread, though, or else notifications will blow up.

I just got a dry hit, time to drip drip drip.

 

[Jack Vityas]

I've got a hipster next door, drinks Pabst and all that cool stuff, plus has lots of tats. What a minute! My Dad drank Pabst, and had tats from his time in the Marines plus a goatee. Damnation, he was a hipster! All this time I never realized it...

Back in the days they were called Beatniks.

 

[Browncoat]

Grimm and Rip's love child would be the perfect hipster:

 

[Jack Vityas]

Grimm and Rip's love child would be the perfect hipster:

So there's a uniform? I thought it was a state of mind. Both maybe?

 

[vaperature]

Says the guy who is selling two books about vaping. Tell me more about how this isn't about money.

Lol, could you put me back your ignore list please?

 

[vaperature]

 

[M5amhan]

so kurt is the reliable source?! good fucking lord. ok let me finish watching this....

 

[vaperature]

Final word: Twisted420 admits "IT IS NOTHING BUT HEARSAY." The end.

 

[RichS]

Lexicon.

The answer to your signature is lexicon.

Wow I didn't think anyone read those things.

 

[Spike64]

Seems to be all about nothing...oh well...now, back to scratching my head trying to figure out why so many people watch Rip....I find him and his schtick pretty much unwatchable...Twisted isn't much better in that regard IMHO...

 

[vaperature]

Seems to be all about nothing...oh well...now, back to scratching my head trying to figure out why so many people watch Rip....I find him and his schtick pretty much unwatchable...Twisted isn't much better in that regard IMHO...

I've maybe seen a RIP video three times in my life. It wasn't about Rip. It was about slandering someone like that without any evidence, doesn't matter who the victim was.

 

[VapeJohn]

Who were the people that started drama regarding subpoenaing that company last year? How it blew up all over and it was those kids wearing "Supporting clones supports terrorism" shirts? Same group?

 

[freemind]

THAT is what he had?

Seriously?