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They can't count but they can compare.
I did. Thank you
They will indeed. No doubt about it. The minding your mahs series is great.
The challenge Mooch has, and you can see it as you watch his videos, is that ALLLLL of this is second nature to him. The vast majority of his audience will never come close to his level of expertise, nor do they need to.
He is trying to determine what is most useful to average non-technical vapers. not only overall, but to the topic of the particular video he's doing at the moment. No mean feat for anybody.
I've been doing computer support for a long time and I face the exact same thing. How do I explain this to this person in such a way that they'll understand? I can see it on their face. This is a brain dead simple concept to me because I've been in the middle of it for a couple decades and they have no idea what I'm saying. It's nodoby's fault, that's just the way it is. I emphasize again that it's not because I'm smarter than them. People are just different and have different lives.
Mooch is not a teacher. He's an engineer
He's doing the best he can and I still believe the day is coming not so far off where you'll get his videos the way he hopes.Try THIS
In the rectangular image, where the top right label says "to find voltage", that's a typo. It's supposed to say "resistance."
HERE is a very simple ohms law calculator. Give it any two known values and it will give you the rest. Steam Engine is great, but I use an app and SE can look a bit busy and confusing at first.
For instance. I gave it 45 watts (power) and .25 for the resistance. Close to where you probably vape. It returned the voltage and amperage (battery) required for that vape. Even though it's not directly about vaping. In other words, every battery you have is perfectly safe, even if used as a single.
For instance. I gave it 45 watts (power) and .25 for the resistance. Close to where you probably vape. It returned the voltage and amperage (battery) required for that vape. Even though it's not directly about vaping. In other words, every battery you have is perfectly safe, even if used as a single.
oh, i'm not bad mouthing mooch.
he is a wonderful person.
i went to that page n i'm frustraited.
the problem is me.
i guess i've forgotten lots of algebra.
i'm trying to find out if a 10 amp battery will work for me, without using an online calculator. .
if i can do that, i'll know ohm's law.
the info i need is clearly on that page, but i'm not getting it yet.
he is a wonderful person.
i went to that page n i'm frustraited.
the problem is me.
i guess i've forgotten lots of algebra.
i'm trying to find out if a 10 amp battery will work for me, without using an online calculator. .
if i can do that, i'll know ohm's law.
the info i need is clearly on that page, but i'm not getting it yet.
I have that same page bookmarked.HERE is a very simple ohms law calculator. Give it any two known values and it will give you the rest. Steam Engine is great, but I use an app and SE can look a bit busy and confusing at first.
For instance. I gave it 45 watts (power) and .25 for the resistance. Close to where you probably vape. It returned the voltage and amperage (battery) required for that vape. Even though it's not directly about vaping. In other words, every battery you have is perfectly safe, even if used as a single.
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On that page input 4.2 volts and 10 amps and it will calculate your watts and give you the lowest resistance coil you could use.
The resistance for inside of any decent mod is negligible and can be ignored for virtually all vaping.
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Nothing wrong with using a regulated mod. I have a regulated for my daily rta needs. Mainly for control and great bat life on the go. And a unregulated for rda fun with bigger builds. Just have fun with your vaping. What seems like complicated calculus now will make sense with time and experience. Just my opinion. But wtg for sticking with this and learning. Not just throwing cation to the wind n hoping not to vent a battery.
so, continuing my above equations,
watts = volts x amps
watts = 2,5 x 10
so, 25 watts/battery.
therefore, i can vape at 40 watts using a 10 amp battery in my 2 battery mods.
since liion has 10 amp batteries with 3500mah, but 15 amps only go to 3000mah,
a 10 amp battery is superior to 15 amp batteries for low watt vaping.
unless i'm missing something?
watts = volts x amps
watts = 2,5 x 10
so, 25 watts/battery.
therefore, i can vape at 40 watts using a 10 amp battery in my 2 battery mods.
since liion has 10 amp batteries with 3500mah, but 15 amps only go to 3000mah,
a 10 amp battery is superior to 15 amp batteries for low watt vaping.
unless i'm missing something?
At 40 watts i personally would go with 2 20a 3000mah batteries. It will give you all day bat life.
I am not getting that from the math. I say that from experience.
You're gonna love this now
If you're working the battery close to it's amp draw limit all the time, you'll probably lose some of that runtime and the battery will degrade faster. IMHO, I'd go with something with some headroom between it's cdr and what you're running at.
Also, having a bit more amp leeway leaves you free to go a little warmer if you want to too.
Me too.
That doesn't mean that VTC5As won't still work fine. Just to make that clear for her.
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Or 30Qs for that matter. Which are probably the better choice of the two as far as the trade off between capacity and current at 40 watts. BUT, having to change batteries a bit sooner is not dangerous either.
Another thing to consider is that Li-Ion batteries won't keep forever, and if stored for extended periods of time need to be discharged down to like 2.7 volts (or so) to avoid internal damage and degradation.
Unless you vape ALOT or have family and friends who also use your batteries, you probably need to stop buying them for awhile. They can't be stocked up for the future like coils or wire etc.
You sound like your set up damn good to vape at 40w. DAMN GOOD
Yes indeed. My point since this conversation started a few days ago. It's nice to see her thirst for knowledge though.
Please explain.
Samsung rates the 30Q cells at 15 amps But Mooch tests them at 19-20 amps.
and says they are fine at that current.
So I consider them a 20 amp cell.
If buying new cells I would buy the 30q or HG2 cells or VTC6A All work fine at 20 amps.
You can use up and 10 amp cells you have but I would not buy any more.
If you decide to vape higher watts in the future you are set to go.
Ohm's law tells you the reality of the electronic situation. It is then up to us vapers to apply that reality to the specifics of vaping and our own vaping style in particular.
In other words, Ohm's law tells us (for instance) that this much power at this resistance EQUALS this much current and voltage. Ohm's law knows nothing of vaping specifically.
Now that we have that information we USE it to select batteries that will perform how we want to vape. It's math. 2+2=4 is a bare statement of mathematical fact. It doesn't really do much for us until we apply it to something in real life.
30q or hg2. My exact recommendation. A set of hg2 at 40w will give a good day and a half of vaping. Est depending on amount of chain vaping. But i do chain vape at about 34w on avg and i pull almost 2 full days of batt
The heat or coolness or ramp up etc. with a mech is entirely dependent on what build you partner with what batteries in what configuration in what mod. TOTALLY in your own hands. Every adjustment is made manually and there are little to no safety features if you get it wrong.
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Of course you can buy one, but I can't in good conscience recommend you start using one until you have a better grip on how the electronics work.
NOT because you're a dummy. I don't mean it that way at all.
There's also more to it than just the build and batteries. There's inspection and cleaning and maintenance and other stuff too. I probably could have afforded to wait a little longer before I got into them myself.
You can do that on paper with the numbers, but mechs vape differently than regulated devices. It's hard to explain in so many words, but an atomizer running at 40 watts, unscrewed from a regulated mod and screwed onto a properly setup mechanical device will vape differently enough to where you'll be able to tell the difference.
I should have stated this differently, but you get the point I hope.
Issue is there sr many easy mistakes that can be made
Everybody says, and rightly so, that Ohm's law is a must, but who says that's ALL you need?
Maybe some of the vets think differently than me, but if you were a family member I couldn't see myself handing you a mech right now. I really hope you take that in the genuinely positive way I mean it.
i don't understand.
i think i know what happens in a mech when you contact the batteries.
you said ''better grip on how the electronics work''
what am i missing?
if i watch mooch's vids on mechs, will that be enow?
wb, are you refering to silly mistakes like improper battery care?
i think i know what happens in a mech when you contact the batteries.
you said ''better grip on how the electronics work''
what am i missing?
if i watch mooch's vids on mechs, will that be enow?
wb, are you refering to silly mistakes like improper battery care?
Why don't you do this. Start a thread in the mech/unregulated FORUM and ask for some instruction on getting involved with mechanical mods. I am not qualified to handle a situation like this I don't think. There are folks in there with years more experience than I have.
A regulated mod regulates the volts either by bucking or by boosting the (input) voltage that it receives/inputs from the batteries, to end up with a different (output) voltage that it sends/outputs to the coil.
Ohm's law is relevant for calculating battery safety specifically for an unregulated mod or mech mod. Whereas for a regulated mod, the resistance of the coil has no effect on battery safety calculation because, for a regulated mod, we use the calculation that Mooch explained in Ep3 of "Minding Your mAhs" to find out the maximum number of amps we're going to draw from each battery inside our regulated mod, after which we can then look for a battery the CDR of which either is equal to or is greater than this same maximum number of amps, for safety, whilst at the same time also looking at other factors that will help us to determine how much performance we can expect from choosing one particular battery versus choosing another battery.
Ohm's law is relevant for calculating battery safety specifically for an unregulated mod or mech mod. Whereas for a regulated mod, the resistance of the coil has no effect on battery safety calculation because, for a regulated mod, we use the calculation that Mooch explained in Ep3 of "Minding Your mAhs" to find out the maximum number of amps we're going to draw from each battery inside our regulated mod, after which we can then look for a battery the CDR of which either is equal to or is greater than this same maximum number of amps, for safety, whilst at the same time also looking at other factors that will help us to determine how much performance we can expect from choosing one particular battery versus choosing another battery.
Many factors..
Battery output voltage sag under load show up in vape quality in a mech in a good regulated mod the mod compensates for the voltage sag.
in a mech different batteries will vape differently because they have different voltage sag under the same load.
Also as the battery voltage drops due to normal battery discharge in a mech the vapor quantity/temperature will drop.
One bad thing about mechs no low voltage cutoff.
It is very bad to discharge a li battery below 2.5 volts.
Can result in unwanted excitement when charged back up.
One big NO NO with a mech if it is not firing do NOT keep pressing the button.
Figure out what is wrong.
Keeping pressing the button when it is not firing properly is one thing that can blow yer face off.
It MAY be a loose connection/open circuit keeping it from firing and no foul.
But it can also be a short which is a VERY bad thing.
Another thing on mechs ALWAYS check your atty after build on a regulated mod or ohm meter before trying on mech.
Check with atty fully assembled as the top can short to a coil.
And I do not recommend a Hybrid style mech esp to beginners. These are the ones where the 510 on the atty directly connects to the top of the battery.