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So i recently got a new mod (Aegix legend) and i got two unbranded IMR18650 batteries, i googled and found out that each is 20amps, right now at 70w~ it pulls around 22amps

are two 20amp batteries good or should i get higher amp ones?
and also can anyone recomend any better or high amp batteries?(though Sony/mutara VTC6 are good but some sites say its 15amps, some say its 30amps or even 35amps)
thanks in advance!
 

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Hi. Normally 2 × 20 amp with a tank/coil drawing that are fine. Question...70watt at what Ohms?
But unbranded? That means they could be re wrapped any old things and the ratings for them untrusted. I think any legit brand would be better than them. I would never touch a no name brand battery for anything, especially vaping.
Let people here know where you are, what country or state and im sure someone here will point you in the right direction to buy something trusted from a trusted seller.
 

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I like how you're wanting to match your batteries amps to the regulated wattage you use. You're ahead already.

An 18650 20A battery? I can't think of one. LG maybe? I'd have to look and see what Battery Mooch says since he is the ONLY trusted battery tester, user, reviewer of all batteries we use for vaping. He's the only one we can trust. Websites, even e-tailers, just say what the battery wrap says, which is what the company that wraps it says. A lot of people/things saying things. The truth is, of all the different brands of batteries we use to vape with, there's only about 4 companies that actually make the batteries. If it's not wrapped/branded by one of those 4, then its a rewrap by a company that ONLY WRAPS it with THIER BARANDING AND WHATEVER INFO THEY WANT- such as amps/Mah/etc. imo there could be a reason to go outside of the big 4(ill call it), like if you needed a Samsung 50G because of it's testing and amps and usage as reported, again by Battery Mooch, and you can't find them on the market then there's another company that puts their own wrapper on it and that one is available. Anbother risk of buying rewrapped batteries is they can change the battery at any time and we'd never know. When the name brand changes it, it becomes a new model.
Anywho..

You know what you're using are unbranded so that sounds like they are rewrapped.
To see where you stand with those, you could see what Mooch says about them and their true vaping amps.

For regulated series 15A ea. x2batteries will get you close to 100w
What unbranded 20A 18650 we talking about?
 
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The Sony VTC 5 or 5+ should work much better than the VTC6 for the amount of watts you are drawing.

Unbranded sounds kind of sketchy to me.
Do they have any markings on them at all?
What color are they?
 

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So i recently got a new mod (Aegix legend) and i got two unbranded IMR18650 batteries, i googled and found out that each is 20amps, right now at 70w~ it pulls around 22amps

are two 20amp batteries good or should i get higher amp ones?
and also can anyone recomend any better or high amp batteries?(though Sony/mutara VTC6 are good but some sites say its 15amps, some say its 30amps or even 35amps)
thanks in advance!

70w on dual 18650s are pulling just shy of 13a.

What the screen is telling you is a lie, that’s the applied amperage to the coil, not the drawn upon call from the batteries.

To understand and pick the appropriate batteries, there is a simple bit of math involved.

Wattage set, divided by battery count divided by 3.2 divided by .85

70/2= 35

35/3.2 = 10.93a

10.93/.85 = 12.86a per battery drawn

If using a DNA200/250 change the .85 to .97 which is the efficiency of the chipset

The formula works for triple quad plus battery count etc


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@gusma
Hi. Normally 2 × 20 amp with a tank/coil drawing that are fine. Question...70watt at what Ohms?
But unbranded? That means they could be re wrapped any old things and the ratings for them untrusted. I think any legit brand would be better than them. I would never touch a no name brand battery for anything, especially vaping.
Let people here know where you are, what country or state and im sure someone here will point you in the right direction to buy something trusted from a trusted seller.
ATM im using fireluke 2 with 0.14ohm mesh coil, but ill soon get Berserker V2 mini MTL RDA and MTL RTA which will be max 0.8ohm

idk but i got those batteries with my mod they say theyre IMR18560 3.7V 3000mah, so i think it cant be more then 20amps?

atm at 0.14ohm and 65watts i pull 21amps
 
The Sony VTC 5 or 5+ should work much better than the VTC6 for the amount of watts you are drawing.

Unbranded sounds kind of sketchy to me.
Do they have any markings on them at all?
What color are they?
Also theyre green with a silver sticker "IMR18560 3000mah 3.7v" and something like "dont use out of wrap, dont loose in pocket"
 
I like how you're wanting to match your batteries amps to the regulated wattage you use. You're ahead already.

An 18650 20A battery? I can't think of one. LG maybe? I'd have to look and see what Battery Mooch says since he is the ONLY trusted battery tester, user, reviewer of all batteries we use for vaping. He's the only one we can trust. Websites, even e-tailers, just say what the battery wrap says, which is what the company that wraps it says. A lot of people/things saying things. The truth is, of all the different brands of batteries we use to vape with, there's only about 4 companies that actually make the batteries. If it's not wrapped/branded by one of those 4, then its a rewrap by a company that ONLY WRAPS it with THIER BARANDING AND WHATEVER INFO THEY WANT- such as amps/Mah/etc. imo there could be a reason to go outside of the big 4(ill call it), like if you needed a Samsung 50G because of it's testing and amps and usage as reported, again by Battery Mooch, and you can't find them on the market then there's another company that puts their own wrapper on it and that one is available. Anbother risk of buying rewrapped batteries is they can change the battery at any time and we'd never know. When the name brand changes it, it becomes a new model.
Anywho..

You know what you're using are unbranded so that sounds like they are rewrapped.
To see where you stand with those, you could see what Mooch says about them and their true vaping amps.

For regulated series 15A ea. x2batteries will get you close to 100w
What unbranded 20A 18650 we talking about?
Yeah ive seen that best fitted for me seem LG HB6, Sony/Mutara VTC6A and VTC5A, samsung 20S

pretty much for more amps, but idk if i vape on low amps (BRSKR V2 mini MTL RDA will be 15watts~) will be bad for high amp battery

and i have no i idea what battery, all it says is "IMR18560 3000mah 3.7v"
 
Also saw that LG HB6 are popular, low mah(less time) but it has high amps and they seem trusted more then sony/mutara just cuz there are a lot of sony's rewraps
 

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Also is it safe to vape at 60-70watts with two samsung 30q's?
For regulated series 15A ea. x2batteries will get you close to 100w
See what Mooch says Samsung 30Q has for amps.
i have no i idea what battery, all it says is "IMR18560 3000mah 3.7v"
Pull the sticker off and show us a pick of the label. No way its is 20A, might be 15A if lucky.

LG HB6 ......... they seem trusted more then sony/mutara just cuz there are a lot of sony's rewraps
Rewraps aren't the issue. We know it's a rewrap if it's not branded by the big 4.
To avoid getting a fake big 4 wrapped battery, buy from a reputable source.
Illumen.com LiionWholesale.com 18650batterystore.com ...
 
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~Don~

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ATM im using fireluke 2 with 0.14ohm mesh coil, but ill soon get Berserker V2 mini MTL RDA and MTL RTA which will be max 0.8ohm

idk but i got those batteries with my mod they say theyre IMR18560 3.7V 3000mah, so i think it cant be more then 20amps?

atm at 0.14ohm and 65watts i pull 21amps

You’re not pulling 21a ...what it says on the screen is NOT what it’s pulling from the batteries.

Ohms of your coils on a regulated means squat when choosing the right battery for your needs. And ohms of the coil in general means squat on a regulated besides being within the “ohm” firing range of the chipset ie .10-3.0 or voltage range.

I explained watts law above

Others have explained battery sources and trusted brands. If it’s not a trusted brand or from a trusted source, it simply can’t be trusted... savvy?

It’s just simple math and reading comprehension


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See what Mooch says Samsung 30Q has for amps.

Pull the sticker off and show us a pick of the label. No way its is 20A, might be 15A if lucky.


Rewraps aren't the issue. We know it's a rewrap if it's not branded by the big 4.
To avoid getting a fake big 4 wrapped battery, buy from a reputable source.
Illumen.com LiionWholesale.com 18650batterystore.com ...
good idea, ive done that it seems its "US18650VTC6 C6, Mutara INR19/66"
both are same!
 
So i got 2 Samsung 30Q's and 2 Murata VTC6's, seems to have good reviews from mooch, should i get higher amp ones for higher watts?
 

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So i got 2 Samsung 30Q's and 2 Murata VTC6's, seems to have good reviews from mooch, should i get higher amp ones for higher watts?

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Watts law - the above math I posted


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IMR is another reputable source for batteries. One thing to be aware of though. They do re-wrap batteries they get in. There is valid reason they do that.

The material they wrap in is better quality, and they also accurately label the batteries with their own inventory tracking system. If they sale a Sony battery for instance, you the customer are getting the Sony battery you ordered. They don't re-wrap with nefarious intent.

It's actually more of a customer protection system.
 
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MyMagicMist

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Sorry dude and also big thanks!!

may explain what is 3.2 and .82?

3.2 is likely the voltage on the battery. Most are labeled at 3.7 but you have to discount that as 3.2, there's about a .5 tolerance drop off. .82 may be what your coil/s are rated at oHm wise. Or as @Vape Fan says above me, ha ha Wonder Ben's active!
 

~Don~

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Sorry dude and also big thanks!!

may explain what is 3.2 and .82?

3.2 is the cutoff voltage that most regulated mods have...

Even if your batteries when placed on a charger read 3.6v+ the 3.2v cutoff can be reached by voltage sag due to the wattage call set on the mod.

No idea what .82 is you mention... but .85 is another way to say 85% just as .97 is 97% in terms of efficiency rating of the mods chipset.

Regulated mods use higher amperage calls from cells the lower their voltage (charge) state is, which is opposite that of mechanical mods... and why we use watts law rather than ohms law.

There is really only one important informatic on a regulated screen when picking batteries, and that’s wattage...

Once you plug in the math for said wattage, picking batteries is easy.

The voltage and amperage reads are just what the chip is providing to the atomizer... not what is being drawn from the batteries. The only way that is known is from doing the math based upon the wattage call.

The only time as mentioned ohms matters is if it’s within the firing parameters of the mod... and most mods especially the cheaper Chinese ones are .10-3.0 ohm with a voltage output of 6-9v. (Read your mods paperwork)

So if you hear anyone say what is your ohms while utilizing a regulated mod, if they aren’t specific about it in regards to the firing parameters, you might as well also ask them the Juice-Dratic Equation of a Starburst fruit crew, since Ohms Law isn’t used in calculating battery safety on a regulated mod.

As far as picking a battery, this has been semi covered...

Do the math for the wattage call, pick a battery from Mooch’s list that surpasses that amp call, buy from a trusted vendor... go on and be merry

Mooch lists his top rated for mech and top rated for regulated for ease of picking what is right for you, along with a watt-hour rating at 10a and at 20a... pick which ever is closer to your amp rating and has the highest watt-hour usage.


Think that about sums it up.


EDIT:

Mooch's Regulated List of Batteries

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He also has the cheat sheet reference under this... which is this...

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If you want to see the individual tests rather than using just the two above examples.... follow this link, then search the battery in question...


As for what I mentioned above with watt-hours etc... it would be like this from his tests...

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Circled obnoxiously for ease of locating ;)


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Both the Sony/Murata VTC6 and the Samsung 30Q are only a 15A battery. The reason why some websites list them as 20A, 30A or 35A is because they just copy-paste numbers from the manufacturer's official datasheet without knowing what those numbers factually mean. The Continuous Discharge Rating (CDR) is 15A for the VTC6/30Q in spite of the fact that there exists a temperature-limited maximum continuous discharge rating for these two different batteries.

Vaping at 70W on a dual 18650 battery regulated mod such as the Aegis Legend is considered to be still within the recommended maximum wattage limit that these aforementioned batteries can handle with reasonable safety. But this doesn't make it "safe". The user of the mod is still responsible for his/her own safety. None of the typical round lithium-ion chargeable cells we use for vaping were ever designed to be used outside a fully protected battery pack with a protection circuit. The built-in protection features of a regulated mod can not protect against the user choosing the wrong type of batteries or misusing/mishandling the batteries. That plus the fact these protection features can still fail, and should therefore not be relied upon.

A quick rule of thumb for a regulated mod that's easier to remember than the equation previously explained by @~Don~ is to just take the maximum wattage number that you will be vaping, and divide it by the number of batteries that the regulated mod uses. Next, divide that by three. So, for example, 90W divided by two batteries equals 45W, divided by three equals 15A. So the maximum recommended wattage for a regulated mod using the VTC6/30Q is 45W per battery.

If you need higher wattages still, you can either 1/ consider to grab the Molicel P26A because, at the time of this writing, it is the best performing 25A battery available to us in the 18650 department or 2/ consider to grab a triple 18650 battery regulated mod. Or 3/ maybe consider the combination of both these options. Or 4/ if the limited amount of vaping time you'll get is less a concern to you and you, like me and Chuck Norris, eat wattages for breakfast, then also consider to grab the Samsung 20S because, also at the time of this writing, it is the best performing 30A battery available to us in the 18650 department. (I still eat a couple other departments for my second breakfast, but I don't tend to talk a lot about that subject anymore these days, as I later found that talking about it causes internet tears, which, in turn, causes accelerated battery corrosion.)
 

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