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And thats why they wont be around much longer lol.
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ECC BANS ALL CLONES FROM BEING SOLD
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But bro you obviously have no appreciation for the hobby aspect. It's the true hobbyist that only buys the most expensive metal fucking tube and calls every one else whiners. You must be some kind of square or poser hobbyist. Why can't you be as cool as the true hobbyist bro? You can never even attempt to claim your vaping as having any type of hobby aspect to it. Unless you buy the authentic.
Seriously though, @Spike64 Your post may be one of my favorites so far.
Out of all the thousands of posts and debates I read through in vaping forums the clone vs. authentic ones have got to be the most annoying of all time.
Fuck vape snobs
Fuck snobs of all kinds!
Edited...OOOPS...I responded without seeing who posted it and detecting the sarcasm...I love it....hahahahaha
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LoL, this thread is getting funnier by the minute.
That is so sad. Clearly they have not thought it through or are sufferring from short-sighted vision. Man does not keep reinventing the wheel and expecting a product to stay stagnate is well, doing the FDA's job for them. They'll spend millions in court instead of developing new products. They are making no distinction between "clones" and "counterfiet". I agree that China's muddied the waters a bit by using fake logos - if they dropped that and instead of Nemesis-style, they'd slap their own logo on it and call it the Enemy (or something) then we'd have a version of name brand vs. house brand. That's all.
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And while we were going to college to get that pie in the sky job so we can afford over-priced authentics, did you eat the authentic Libby's frozen peas or the store brand.
I just posted something along these lines on facebook:
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I understand not trying to offend the manufacturers, but a lot of Vapers cannot afford a $300 mod. Also, unless the mod is patented then the design is up for grabs.
Personally I think everyone should play nice in the sand box. People who can afford high end mods are going to purchase regardless while people who cannot will still be able to enjoy the same look at feel at a lower cost.
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I am curious if ECC decided this prior to the conference starting or if the vendors put pressure on them during the actual conference. My personal belief is that ECC should have disclosed that no clones would be sold to everyone who registered prior to arriving and also posted on the ECC Conference website.
I own more clones than I do authentic mainly because I can buy a clone mod for $30, try it out, if it rocks then buy the Authentic. If it blows dicks then I can gift it to someone to see if they like it. I would rather be out $30 than $200 or $300.
I started vaping to quit smoking and now it has become a hobby, but I'll be damned if I am going to spend my hard earned money on something that is a shiny tube that is a piece of shit and then get stuck with it and have to put up with the hassle of trading or selling it for less than I bought it for.
That is my 2 cents worth on this subject, and yes I still think it is bullshit.
Nice to meet everyone by the way,
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I understand not trying to offend the manufacturers, but a lot of Vapers cannot afford a $300 mod. Also, unless the mod is patented then the design is up for grabs.
Personally I think everyone should play nice in the sand box. People who can afford high end mods are going to purchase regardless while people who cannot will still be able to enjoy the same look at feel at a lower cost.
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I am curious if ECC decided this prior to the conference starting or if the vendors put pressure on them during the actual conference. My personal belief is that ECC should have disclosed that no clones would be sold to everyone who registered prior to arriving and also posted on the ECC Conference website.
I own more clones than I do authentic mainly because I can buy a clone mod for $30, try it out, if it rocks then buy the Authentic. If it blows dicks then I can gift it to someone to see if they like it. I would rather be out $30 than $200 or $300.
I started vaping to quit smoking and now it has become a hobby, but I'll be damned if I am going to spend my hard earned money on something that is a shiny tube that is a piece of shit and then get stuck with it and have to put up with the hassle of trading or selling it for less than I bought it for.
That is my 2 cents worth on this subject, and yes I still think it is bullshit.
Nice to meet everyone by the way,
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Fuck You!! LOL!!
Fuckin snobby mother fucker
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I edited my reply...I didnt notice right away who posted it or the sarcasm....after going back and reading it again, I laughed my ass off...
But bro you obviously have no appreciation for the hobby aspect. It's the true hobbyist that only buys the most expensive metal fucking tube and calls every one else whiners. You must be some kind of square or poser hobbyist. Why can't you be as cool as the true hobbyist bro? You can never even attempt to claim your vaping as having any type of hobby aspect to it. Unless you buy the authentic.
Seriously though, @Spike64 Your post may be one of my favorites so far.
Out of all the thousands of posts and debates I read through in vaping forums the clone vs. authentic ones have got to be the most annoying of all time.
Fuck vape snobs
Fuck snobs of all kinds!
... but my $300 metal tube keeps me warm at night
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That is pretty stupid if you ask me.
That means the battery is venting....lol... but my $300 metal tube keeps me warm at night
You didn't happen to name your tube B.O.B did you?... but my $300 metal tube keeps me warm at night
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That is in no way true. When I started vaping in 09 before clones.... there were mech mods and variables and no clones. and ego kits were 60 bucks for 2 batts 2 tanks a charger and a case. so please do not spread blatant lies.
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The only tube that's possibly underpriced is the Fleshlight ... not that I would know anything about it... but my $300 metal tube keeps me warm at night
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ever scenethis Cloned? the one on the left is a iHybrid Pure hot item a few yrs ago paid $40 on closeout a Maximum Vapes a month ago
Yes the pures are cloned. I Chybrids.
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dude, this is bonkers.
In one corner we have folks differentiating cessation and hobbyist.
How many of you folks quit and beelined for a hobby? How many quit to cease and got caught up in the hobby?
I buy tangiers hookah tobacco and usually hand made egyptian hookahs, because the hookah is cheap, and I am confident in my skills to understand the device, and confident in it's quality. I buy tangiers because there is nothing else like it in the world, so the price doesn't matter.
I make my own hoses.
I got WAY into hookah. And I run an amazing session I can carry without issue for 8+ hours, no problem, and it doesn't matter that I don't have a high-end brand name hookah - I have a great, hand made bowl and great skill, and I know my hookah is good.
As someone in IT, I'm relatively electrically inclined. I'm also confident a tube is a tube is a tube.
Innovation will happen. Adding more posts or fancy holes on your RDA isn't fucking innovation. Stop bullshitting about laminar flow, smoothness, and swirl. Blow the industry up with a brand new idea, like a self-wiring tank that you just insert coil and cotton and it's ready.
figure out some awesome new way to control electricity to your coil, I hear evolv is working on temp; beat them to the punch. The perfect hookah session relies on expert temperature control, and as the neglected grandfather to our modern vaporizers, I imagine that'll come into play when it gets figured out. (how the hell are they going to get a reliable temp reading from the coil?)
I'm getting off track.
You folks are pathetic. I love this hobby. I also love being thrifty, you could almost call that a hobby. Getting a steal of a deal on something you love that may perform slightly less perfect than a comparable device is not a bad thing - especially since i can fix any problems that arise, rather than ship it back to the turd who made it. In my eyes, a 40 dollar vamo I only had to replace once because it fell 15 feet is still a better deal, because shit, it was 40 bucks. Even if I only had to service a 300 dollar device once, that's still not beating the value.
Take hanas vs clones. Those cloupor clones are pretty goddamn solid, and hana didn't do anything special. I'ts not a magical, unique anything. It's a box, for a battery, with a DNA in it. Evolv did something awesome with the DNA30, and they patented the shit out of it. I have a legit evolv DNA30D board I'm popping in a wiimote, because hey, was 50 bucks.
Stop being petty dicks. Clones are GOOD for the industry.
In one corner we have folks differentiating cessation and hobbyist.
How many of you folks quit and beelined for a hobby? How many quit to cease and got caught up in the hobby?
I buy tangiers hookah tobacco and usually hand made egyptian hookahs, because the hookah is cheap, and I am confident in my skills to understand the device, and confident in it's quality. I buy tangiers because there is nothing else like it in the world, so the price doesn't matter.
I make my own hoses.
I got WAY into hookah. And I run an amazing session I can carry without issue for 8+ hours, no problem, and it doesn't matter that I don't have a high-end brand name hookah - I have a great, hand made bowl and great skill, and I know my hookah is good.
As someone in IT, I'm relatively electrically inclined. I'm also confident a tube is a tube is a tube.
Innovation will happen. Adding more posts or fancy holes on your RDA isn't fucking innovation. Stop bullshitting about laminar flow, smoothness, and swirl. Blow the industry up with a brand new idea, like a self-wiring tank that you just insert coil and cotton and it's ready.
figure out some awesome new way to control electricity to your coil, I hear evolv is working on temp; beat them to the punch. The perfect hookah session relies on expert temperature control, and as the neglected grandfather to our modern vaporizers, I imagine that'll come into play when it gets figured out. (how the hell are they going to get a reliable temp reading from the coil?)
I'm getting off track.
You folks are pathetic. I love this hobby. I also love being thrifty, you could almost call that a hobby. Getting a steal of a deal on something you love that may perform slightly less perfect than a comparable device is not a bad thing - especially since i can fix any problems that arise, rather than ship it back to the turd who made it. In my eyes, a 40 dollar vamo I only had to replace once because it fell 15 feet is still a better deal, because shit, it was 40 bucks. Even if I only had to service a 300 dollar device once, that's still not beating the value.
Take hanas vs clones. Those cloupor clones are pretty goddamn solid, and hana didn't do anything special. I'ts not a magical, unique anything. It's a box, for a battery, with a DNA in it. Evolv did something awesome with the DNA30, and they patented the shit out of it. I have a legit evolv DNA30D board I'm popping in a wiimote, because hey, was 50 bucks.
Stop being petty dicks. Clones are GOOD for the industry.
Lol not sure if this is a joke or not but just ftr, Ecc is in Ontario, CA. CA meaning California, USA.
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and furthermore, Ontario California is a shithole....
Manhattan
Edit: ^Nevermind. Thought you said never seen a clone outperform an original.
Sounds like a great place for a bullshit convention.
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I love how both sides complain how the other spends their money. But the comments I see from clone buyers refer to me as a snob because I want authentic mods. Yet I have yet to see a proponent of authentics say something like that about clone buyers. Fine call me a snob because I have the money to buy an authentic. But I will keep my comments geared towards the problem with clones lol.
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pics or it didn't happen.
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Oh so now im the asshole....hehehehhe. cough cough sorry cough cough
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Edited my post above.
not gonna lie I laughed out loud at that one
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Look, I was in the grocery industry for a number of years and trade shows are not only expensive, but unless your target audience is large wholesalers with a significant retailer base, I believe there are better ways to reach your target audience.
This industry is growing exponentially yet have you ever wondered why Walmart hasn't jumped in with both feet yet? So do I. Their contracts with China manufacturing sources are second to none...hell they own many of them. They must know something. "Fests" and "cons" are what they are but as a business owner in this industry I would put my limited precious promotion resources on sites like this rather than spend thousands of dollars on a booth that generates who knows what.
Five , ten thousand dollars for a booth for three days plus travel, employee expense etc. or give away $200 a week on a show like ModEnvy. I know, if I was a seller in this industry where my promotional dollars would go.
This industry is growing exponentially yet have you ever wondered why Walmart hasn't jumped in with both feet yet? So do I. Their contracts with China manufacturing sources are second to none...hell they own many of them. They must know something. "Fests" and "cons" are what they are but as a business owner in this industry I would put my limited precious promotion resources on sites like this rather than spend thousands of dollars on a booth that generates who knows what.
Five , ten thousand dollars for a booth for three days plus travel, employee expense etc. or give away $200 a week on a show like ModEnvy. I know, if I was a seller in this industry where my promotional dollars would go.
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Wow... Celtic, you are just simply put a prick! I am guessing from seeing your show you are just a dirty old man that sits at home all day beating off to old issues of boys life!
unrelated, how the hell did your vamo drop 15 feet?
were you up on a roof or ladder or something?
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Completely my argument. Stopping clones doesn't make sense. However the question I also have is juice. Isn't 50% of juice flavors some sort of clone?
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4 pages in one hour.....not bad @VaporJoes lol, I love heated threads!!
It's astonishing the number of people who made an account for this thread...
We defiantly disagree on the topic of this thread, but that retort was some funny shit right there.
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I can see only one reason for this. Ecc should be about innovation and shock and awe, new ideas, breaking tech. Not a chineese flea market. My guess that is not what this decision is about. Very dissapointing.
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No kidding ... can't escape the smell of fertilizer, even in the nice outlet mall they have there
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I could tell you horror stories of nights I spent in Ontario....but I hate going back there even in my memories....LOL
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Mech Mods are, indeed, simple to make from flashlight tubes, particularly the 18650 & 26650 variety. I'm surprised the flashlight makers haven't sued the original mod developers for ripping off their 'technology'. LOL
Some flashlights are configured using multiple batteries (I have one that uses 4 18650s in a side by side config; some use multi 26650s). These cheap multi-battery flashlights (made in China) would be easily converted into a mega wattage mod.
These Anti-Choicers are dreaming if they think they will ever be the only choice us vapers have. They have no original ideas that haven't been done before, and the simplicity of these devices make them so easy to make. Even the power regulation circuits were in other devices first, including flashlights. The true value of any device is only what someone is willing to pay in the marketplace, compared to similar, alternative products. They would love to eliminate the similar, alternative choices, in order to be able to charge many times more than the market will say their product is worth. That monopolization pipedream, however, will never happen. Unlike Apple, they hold no 'intellectual property'.
Some flashlights are configured using multiple batteries (I have one that uses 4 18650s in a side by side config; some use multi 26650s). These cheap multi-battery flashlights (made in China) would be easily converted into a mega wattage mod.
These Anti-Choicers are dreaming if they think they will ever be the only choice us vapers have. They have no original ideas that haven't been done before, and the simplicity of these devices make them so easy to make. Even the power regulation circuits were in other devices first, including flashlights. The true value of any device is only what someone is willing to pay in the marketplace, compared to similar, alternative products. They would love to eliminate the similar, alternative choices, in order to be able to charge many times more than the market will say their product is worth. That monopolization pipedream, however, will never happen. Unlike Apple, they hold no 'intellectual property'.
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I have the authentic, clone and the FUhattan. Authhentic is best followed closely by the fuhattan. clone can not compare.
Why are most of you so butthurt? Their decision is not a value judgement on our choice to buy/use clones. It's not some grand statement about you. Ecc can't justify the price of a vendor booth to a mod maker if the table next to theirs sells clones of his mod. Calm down, your freedoms are intact. Originals are a tad or sometimes, a lot nicer. A lot of us would buy originals if we had stupid amounts money. You don't have to hate ecc because you disagree with a single thing. Also as someone pointed out, They Are Allowing Clones To Be Sold, if the original vendor does not have a booth there.
Yeah the authentic vs. clone debate has gotten so far beyond ridiculous. I'm so fucking over it. But I have to admit that having the VU has brought some life to a dead end debate.
Fuck yeah, VU, kicking ass and taking names!
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so this statement means that because flashlights have a tube and mechs have a tube then mechs stole their tube idea from flashlights? Are you high? And no intellectual property? Again, high? The creator of the Akuma mod holds all artistic rights to the design on the mod. That means intellectual property.
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I am not a hypocrit. I stated in one of my first post I own both and want clones without logos and labels.