ECC BANS ALL CLONES FROM BEING SOLD

[cherrycakes]

fucking hypocrite...
Combat Hypocrites

For real
if you don't support clones
don't give them money for one
so they can go make more

 

[cherrycakes]

"Taking or stealing" ,money from the manufactorer, that's hilarious because most of these mods that are being talked about are NOWHERE to be found, completely out of stock for weeks and months at a time, so how can you "steal" what's NOT available??

Then you have those of us who are grateful that the clones exists and is available to purchase "replacement" parts for our "high quality" authentics with the "excellent customer service" when they fall apart and we can't get in touch with the manufact. and/or they don't offer replacements.....

Agreed I am not going to sit on some waitlist for you to take my money.
Supply and demand. They deliberately limit the number available so they can jack up the price.

 

[m3rma1d]

I hate you for plenty of other reasons

Fuckin' right.

 

[Nailz]

I've been following this thread, and think it is funny a few people who says they only buy authentic's saying how they called snobs, but they are the ones in here with the most insulting posts to others.

I buy clones, and it's not anything to do with what I can afford, it's to do with me having sense, NEWSFLASH - a round tube with a logo on it, doesn't make it a original idea, metal tubes been around a long time, there is nothing creative about it at all, anyone can make a metal tube and think of new logo and then think it is alright to go and charge $200-$300 for something that cost a fraction of that to make. Actually come up with something original and I might actually be tempted to buy it.

Now makers like that of the ZNA30 do have something original, not just a a tube with a logo on it, and yes they have recently have been cloned, but makers of the ZNA30 aren't crying and whining about it, in fact they embrace the clones, because gets the product out to more people, and they know some of them people who buy the clone, will then buy the real ZNA30.

I don't care what people buy, and I sure wouldn't insult others just because they want to buy something different than me.

 

[kryten]

Imagine the convention centre parking lot.. Lots of people in long rain coats and hockey masks asking people " wanna buy a clone"

 

[rjmara]

Gotta LOVE Friday night forum posting!!!

it's not unhealthy if you smoke a cock on one of these!

 

[VH fan]

Personally,I can't afford the 'real deal' so I will stay with clones.

Even if i could afford the" real deal" i would never pay what some think their actually worth .

To me they are not worth anything close to what their asking price is , especially when good clones continue to perform just as good if not better than the real deal.

Key word here is "good clone " . I personally look at people who pay through the nose for the real deal as "suckers" but thats just my opinion.

 

[Hobby Kid]

China rolls out new kayfun clone

 

[Steve Ishere]

Clones have saved poor peoples lives!

The 1% Don't Care about The Poor Peoples Lives......

 

[Bill R]

I bought the authentic Hana V3 mod, then sold it a week later for 300 on ebay to buy the Cloupor Clone and the ipv2 50 watt, and the FuHattan, the plume veil clone, 2 magma clones, and a bunch of e juice. Probably best decision of my life. Hana clone is identical, the authentic didn't perform better one bit. And I got a sick ass collection in return. Thanks elitist snobs for paying 50 bucks over market price for my sick new set ups.

 

[VH fan]

I think thats good they banned clones they are counterfiet products and they are stealing money from hardworking mod makers. Plz dont say price and complaining that they cost too much because in fact mods are a luxury if you cant afford it just save up i hate the fact that people complain that they are too expensive save up or make better career choices. #TeamAuthentic4Life

Lets define the term "counterfeit" and clone shall we . A counterfeit is something that tries to trick and pass itself off as the real deal , a clone is a reproduction that clearly distinguishes itself as a clone and and is priced accordingly .

There's a BIG difference , not unlike a stores brand of an original item in a supermarket for example . These reproductions are exact duplicates of the popular item with the difference being the price .

I have no problem with people paying much more for the original but please spare me the " since i payed more mine is superior " argument .

 

[Dougw63]

You are not a hobbyist vapor. You are a cessation vaper. High end mods are more for collectors and hobbyist. Which is why people whine and complain. They want the high end mods but do not want to pay for it. It is occupy wall street all over again.

Holy Crap! now I'm a "this vaper" or a "that vaper"? WTF Can you get a little more serious? Do you own a Nissan or Infiniti? Honda or Acura? Toyota or Lexus? now which is the freakin clone? wait! don't answer that! obviously your just a snob looking for a place to "classify" individuals you feel are beneath you! You had made a decent point or two before this comment! Now just get over your "better than depends crap spewing mouth"! (oh wait don't forget your snob ass needs the little people to make you feel like you're somebody!)
Give me an authentic where I don't feel like the "creative genius" is full of shit and trying to make a mint! (can you say Beacon?) Damn shame most of those making authentics are outsourcing to China; very few having the work done in 'Merica. I won't cry for "creative geniuses" crying over their authentic being cloned when they didn't have it made here in the States.
So you know, Trauma; I'm not what you call a "cessation vaper" as I never planned on quitting nicotine. I'm not a hobbyist either as I own a couple clones and damn proud of it as they work just fine! Most of those I know who quit analogs quit for one of two reason, the price of analogs OR their health!
Last comment for you, Trauma; elitist rarely find a place to fit in...........go troll somewhere else

 

[Hobby Kid]

The 1% Don't Care about The Poor Peoples Lives......

Sadly. There are some tho. I won't say anymore than that..

except: you know what time it is!

 

[VH fan]

Another thing that unfortunate is some will judge all clones on one bad experience they had with a certain one , this is very common . Do your homework and choose wisely , there are superb clones and mediocre at best clones , the good ones are outstanding.

 

[KillaGT]

Makes ya sick seeing companies like Hana cause this. Any company who acts like cry baby douce bags I will never buy their original product. A lot of times I will buy a clone to get a feel for it then if I really like it a lot of times I end up buying the original. Hana is on the suck my balls list!!

 

[Dougw63]

I am not a hypocrit. I stated in one of my first post I own both and want clones without logos and labels.

so, the truth is you like tubes?
just an observation. as is my observation you do quite well at coming off as "better than" when you're not!

 

[VaporJoe]

I've been following this thread, and think it is funny a few people who says they only buy authentic's saying how they called snobs, but they are the ones in here with the most insulting posts to others.

I buy clones, and it's not anything to do with what I can afford, it's to do with me having sense, NEWSFLASH - a round tube with a logo on it, doesn't make it a original idea, metal tubes been around a long time, there is nothing creative about it at all, anyone can make a metal tube and think of new logo and then think it is alright to go and charge $200-$300 for something that cost a fraction of that to make. Actually come up with something original and I might actually be tempted to buy it.

Now makers like that of the ZNA30 do have something original, not just a a tube with a logo on it, and yes they have recently have been cloned, but makers of the ZNA30 aren't crying and whining about it, in fact they embrace the clones, because gets the product out to more people, and they know some of them people who buy the clone, will then buy the real ZNA30.

I don't care what people buy, and I sure wouldn't insult others just because they want to buy something different than me.

Actually Zen is very happy about the clones - he actually embraced them because he can sell the accessories and parts to people who bought the clones. It opens a new market up to him. Now his Z2 tubes, switches, carto / atty hybrids will all fit on the Z2 cloned versions.

 

[Trauma Vapes]

Holy Crap! now I'm a "this vaper" or a "that vaper"? WTF Can you get a little more serious? Do you own a Nissan or Infiniti? Honda or Acura? Toyota or Lexus? now which is the freakin clone? wait! don't answer that! obviously your just a snob looking for a place to "classify" individuals you feel are beneath you! You had made a decent point or two before this comment! Now just get over your "better than depends crap spewing mouth"! (oh wait don't forget your snob ass needs the little people to make you feel like you're somebody!)
Give me an authentic where I don't feel like the "creative genius" is full of shit and trying to make a mint! (can you say Beacon?) Damn shame most of those making authentics are outsourcing to China; very few having the work done in 'Merica. I won't cry for "creative geniuses" crying over their authentic being cloned when they didn't have it made here in the States.
So you know, Trauma; I'm not what you call a "cessation vaper" as I never planned on quitting nicotine. I'm not a hobbyist either as I own a couple clones and damn proud of it as they work just fine! Most of those I know who quit analogs quit for one of two reason, the price of analogs OR their health!
Last comment for you, Trauma; elitist rarely find a place to fit in...........go troll somewhere else

Why is it bad to classify people into how they enjoy their vape?I get called an elitist or a snob but yet if I say you are not a hobbyist I get condemned. You can be a hobbyist and only own clones. Same for only authentics. I never said to the contrary. I do not feel clone buyers are beneath me. I do not hate clone owners. As I have said this entire thread my problem is with the clone manufacturers. Also your car reference is invalid, seeing as how they are the same manufacturer. It is the same company making the same vehicle under a different name. At least they change a few things also. Honda owns Acura, Toyota owns Lexus and Nissan owns Infiniti.

This entire argument boils down to choice. And everyone is becoming butt hurt on either side of the line. You want to buy a clone... Good go for it. You want original great go for it. But to say one person is stupid for buying a metal tube they enjoy no matter what the price is being an elitist snob on either side of the line.

I have not bought a clone in over a year. I run 6 authentic mods as my daily vape. I have friends that only run clones. And yet for some reason we all agree on a few things. Removing labels and logos, or getting permission to use the logos and labels as well as paying a small royalty would solve a lot of issues and make a lot of people on either side of this fence sit down and shut up.

On another note. To everyone that has posted about American mod makers using China. That is a blatant lie. Yes there are a few that have used them. But most are just way to small to even need that. And most of the very popular mods were not made or designed here anyways.


This post started on a lie. They never banned clone sales. They banned the sales of clones that were featured by their original maker. So if Ameravapes is there, no clones of the Manhattan or FUhattans. That is all they did. Thanks Joe for doing it wrong lol.

 

[Trauma Vapes]

Actually Zen is very happy about the clones - he actually embraced them because he can sell the accessories and parts to people who bought the clones. It opens a new market up to him. Now his Z2 tubes, switches, carto / atty hybrids will all fit on the Z2 cloned versions.

Zen is happy because he will still make money off of them. He said it on a show recently that he will make money either way so he does not care. Hell he said it in this thread. And that is cool of him. Also to the person that said the ZNA is an original idea..... look at the zna. it is a metal tube with an evolv board in it. onlything original on it is the housing for the chip. and it is horribly over priced just like the hana mod.

 

[BigNasty]

Zen is happy because he will still make money off of them. He said it on a show recently that he will make money either way so he does not care. Hell he said it in this thread. And that is cool of him. Also to the person that said the ZNA is an original idea..... look at the zna. it is a metal tube with an evolv board in it. onlything original on it is the housing for the chip. and it is horribly over priced just like the hana mod.

OK compare the 2.
Hana overpriced
Hana suing people
Hana not standing by their own product.
Selling factory seconds and display models for the same retarded price and telling customers tough shit it fails.

Zen, maybe over priced but way better workman ship and made in the US. you will pay for that.
No lawsuits from Zen.
Zen standing by and embracing the clones..
Original designs.

When it comes down to it I will stand besides one and take a steaming shit on the other.
Hana has shown their true colors and total ass and for that I thank them, they will never get a dime from me.
Zen on the other hand.. If I could afford a ZNA from him I would purchase one in a split second.

 

[mike ferro]

Just have the clone venders set up outside the covention. Keep the party outside instead. While everyone inside are sitting around twiddling their thumbs.

 

[Trauma Vapes]

OK compare the 2.
Hana overpriced
Hana suing people
Hana not standing by their own product.
Selling factory seconds and display models for the same retarded price and telling customers tough shit it fails.

Zen, maybe over priced but way better workman ship and made in the US. you will pay for that.
No lawsuits from Zen.
Zen standing by and embracing the clones..
Original designs.

When it comes down to it I will stand besides one and take a steaming shit on the other.
Hana has shown their true colors and total ass and for that I thank them, they will never get a dime from me.
Zen on the other hand.. If I could afford a ZNA from him I would purchase one in a split second.

Exactly. A personal choice. Same for me with authentics over clones.

 

[Trauma Vapes]

For real
if you don't support clones
don't give them money for one
so they can go make more

only clones I have ever owned I got in trades I made for one of my authentics except for an hcigar dna 30. I wanted to test it out and traded it for a custom box mod....


Custom box mods are the future anyways.

 

[Whiskey]

 

[Dougw63]

LMMAO @ Trauma! My being obvious went right past you! My point IS they ARE the same vehicle! Just one is a little fancier (in some ways) to justify charging MORE! You started classifying people//fellow vapers? So, why shouldn't I? Also, do you "classify" your vaping friends to their face? I take offense when someone starts pointing fingers and making distinctions where they aren't needed. I don't care if someone is a hobbyist; why do YOU make a distinction? Again, all your posts come off as better than! Did you eat from a spoon made on a different planet? No, simple fact is you eat from a spoon. Go feed your elitist bs to those who agree with you,

I disagree with your point of view.
Funny how you chimed in on this whole thread yet just now call Joe out for "doing it wrong".

 

[VaporJoe]

I wonder where they got the logo for the Nemesis?? Oh wait its only stealing when you take it from another PV.

 

[BigNasty]

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I wonder where they got the logo for the Nemesis?? Oh wait its only stealing when you take it from another PV.

I wonder if they paid the artist for the image in the first place.

 

[Zamazam]

Maybe Hana Modz threatened ECC with a lawsuit

I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

 

[Zamazam]

Unfortunately many of the mod makers are also working with China. Making money on both sides....
A lot of Authentics are made in china too.. how do you think they get cloned BEFORE they hit the market? Magic?

Exactly. Quite a number of "Authentic" mods are made in China, and shipped to the US and Europe in parts so they can be assembled here. When machining costs roughly $10 per unit plus fitting and polishing of $8, plus the raw cost of the materials, say $4, the rough cost is $22, and these mods are sold for $100+ easily. Lower the labor costs and material costs and you get clones which sell for $30-$50.

Even Japan sells authentic RDA's such as the Vulcan for a reasonable price , and they are made in Japan, one of the most expensive places to live on earth.

The days of the $500 tube mod are slowly going away, the mod makers lost the market when competition came in and slashed prices.

The ECC is intentionally polarizing the vape community into seperate camps, those who love authentics and think clones are rip off of IP, and the folks who love clones because they are reasonably priced and perform just as good as the "authentic". It's the MAC vs PC war all over again.

The ECC can do what ever they want with the meet rules, however I predict a lot of folks will window shop and either wait or go out and buy a clone afterwards.

I got a Fuhattan last week, vapes like a champ. I'm rocking my Magma clone at 0.22 Ohms and it chucks the vapor and flavor.

Zen of House of Hybrids has the right attitude regarding clones and his flagship ZNA being cloned.

 

[VaporJoe]

I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

If that were the case they would be suing Facebook - they are all over it.

 

[Celtic Fog]

To those Authentic elitists in the thread, I offer this.....

 

[Steam Powered]

A Nemesis mech clone got me off the death sticks. Attention ECC and all anti-clone folks.....bite me.

 

[Nailz]

Actually Zen is very happy about the clones - he actually embraced them because he can sell the accessories and parts to people who bought the clones. It opens a new market up to him. Now his Z2 tubes, switches, carto / atty hybrids will all fit on the Z2 cloned versions.

Yes I said they embraced the cloning of their product.

Now makers like that of the ZNA30 do have something original, not just a a tube with a logo on it, and yes they have recently have been cloned, but makers of the ZNA30 aren't crying and whining about it, in fact they embrace the clones, because gets the product out to more people, and they know some of them people who buy the clone, will then buy the real ZNA30.

 

[kelli]

is anyone keeping score?

 

[Hobby Kid]

To those Authentic elitists in the thread, I offer this.....

Make me some

 

[Hobby Kid]

is anyone keeping score?

I am

VU 1
Trolls lost

 

[kelli]

trolls never lose. they merely regroup.

 

[Hobby Kid]

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I wonder where they got the logo for the Nemesis?? Oh wait its only stealing when you take it from another PV.

That's right! And I wonder where Innokin got their design for their 134 hmm? It was Elvis wasn't it.

 

[VaporJoe]

I also see the industry moving to more box mods - which is going to hurt the whole tube "modders' market.
Box mods are effective, cheap to build, and they are ALL clones.

 

[Zamazam]

It not about which is better... It about one being a fucking ripoff of someone else's work. No logos or straight out design copy's fine.. No one would have this problem. To support or defend this ripoff commie slave labor practice in it current straight up stealing form is pure bullshit.

No morals
No ethics
The same mouth breathers that screw over their own mother for a dollar.....

That's what you clone lovers are, plain and simple.

Oh please, enough with the vilification and insults. Plenty authentic mod makers have been busted in photo's vaping clones, selling clone attys on their sites. Face it, China is a manufacturing powerhouse due to the worlds desire for cheaper products. Your mobile phone and computer were most likely made in China, same with your underwear and shoes. The west lost manufacturing because it became too expensive to make items that needed manufacturing labor, look at America auto manufacturers, a lot of them have plants in Mexico.

 

[VaporJoe]

Oh please, enough with the vilification and insults. Plenty authentic mod makers have been busted in photo's vaping clones, selling clone attys on their sites. Face it, China is a manufacturing powerhouse due to the worlds desire for cheaper products. Your mobile phone and computer were most likely made in China, same with your underwear and shoes. The west lost manufacturing because it became too expensive to make items that needed manufacturing labor, look at America auto manufacturers, a lot of them have plants in Mexico.

STOP MAKING SENSE!!

 

[Celtic Fog]

Hey now, in America, we make plenty of things....prisons, laws, new taxes, media shows, enemies, lies, military personnel, broken dreams, Federal Government Departments, Stingray phone towers, and Computer programs to listen in on all of us.....lol. All kinds of shit made here in the US!

 

[kelli]

I also see the industry moving to more box mods - which is going to hurt the whole tube "modders' market.
Box mods are effective, cheap to build, and they are ALL clones.

 

[Understudy77]

So while there was an email that went out to vendors telling them the display and sale of clones was not allowed, I hear no one has listened and there are a ton of clones out there. Buddy said he got a plumeveil clones among other things.

Still getting more information on when the ruling came down, but it seems like no one is really listening anyway (just not many vendors who sell clones went out it appears)

 

[VaporJoe]

So while there was an email that went out to vendors telling them the display and sale of clones was not allowed, I hear no one has listened and there are a ton of clones out there. Buddy said he got a plumeveil clones among other things.

Still getting more information on when the ruling came down, but it seems like no one is really listening anyway (just not many vendors who sell clones went out it appears)

Thanks for the update... pics if you got em..

 

[Understudy77]

Here is the wording of the section of the email, I have to keep the source anonymous so I can't share the whole email at this time.

"Be aware that the display and/or sale of clones is strictly PROHIBITED at this event"

As far as clones being there, I have several friends who are there, as well as know quite a few vendors who have mentioned clones being pretty regular, Mad Vapes being out there as well as other vendors, and being able to purchase clones.

EDIT: This email was sent to vendors on 9/3/14, I do not know yet if this was announced to the vendors prior to this date (since this date is long after the booths were paid for)

 

[Merrick92]

So while there was an email that went out to vendors telling them the display and sale of clones was not allowed, I hear no one has listened and there are a ton of clones out there. Buddy said he got a plumeveil clones among other things.

Still getting more information on when the ruling came down, but it seems like no one is really listening anyway (just not many vendors who sell clones went out it appears)

Hmm, maybe the email was just a disclaimer so they don't get hana'd. It absolves them of responsibility if someone at ecc sells a clone.
~Edit - Ironic replying to your post as I listen to your last show.

 

[BigNasty]

If I was a vendor there planning on selling clones and this bullshit came up at the last minute.. refund the table cost or shut the fuck im selling my inventory.

 

[Understudy77]

If I was a vendor there planning on selling clones and this bullshit came up at the last minute.. refund the table cost or shut the fuck im selling my inventory.

Thats the big question, and thats the one I'm trying to find answers too. When were vendors notified, and did they have a chance to back out. Thats really the most important question IMO.

 

[VaporJoe]

Thats the big question, and thats the one I'm trying to find answers too. When were vendors notified, and did they have a chance to back out. Thats really the most important question IMO.

That is a VERY important question. The tables aren't cheap.