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When you get back into it... just want to remind you to push out the spit screen from the drip tip / mouthpiece if you haven't already. Don't even think about it. Just do it. Makes the vape far better. You can always put it back, but you (probably) won't.
Will do.

I was trying it with the screen in, but, seriously: My taste is so burned-out, right now... hell, my tongue even feels burned out. So I didn't go any further. I can just barely taste the juice I've got in this Nautilus Mini, right now, and, while it is a somewhat subtle flavour, I usually have no problem tasting it.
 

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Will do.

I was trying it with the screen in, but, seriously: My taste is so burned-out, right now... hell, my tongue even feels burned out. So I didn't go any further. I can just barely taste the juice I've got in this Nautilus Mini, right now, and, while it is a somewhat subtle flavour, I usually have no problem tasting it.
Menthol (sugarless) cough drops, apple cider vinegar, lemon juice (with or w/o hot tea)... or rest & time-off all seem to work for me. Preferably one of the first three. If all else fails... lol, the last one. We all have to cope in some way. :)

...and Ginger. I left out Ginger.
 
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I've so far found that when my taste gets vape-stressed: Backing off to a more subtle flavour and using an MTL setup lets it recover. But, if that doesn't do it: Yeah, I'll back off entirely for a bit.
 

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Will do.

I was trying it with the screen in, but, seriously: My taste is so burned-out, right now... hell, my tongue even feels burned out. So I didn't go any further. I can just barely taste the juice I've got in this Nautilus Mini, right now, and, while it is a somewhat subtle flavour, I usually have no problem tasting it.
I have this barrel and cap on one of my indestructibles, it fits the vector also....
totally kicks ass!!!
http://www.smokecignals.com/VLS_Jay_Bo_Design_Competition_Cap_p/jbvlscap.htm
 

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I like them all, well except for my tobh. The sob whistles when I hit it. Each has its character and once I find the right build for it, it is in my rotation. From my Doge V2 right down to my Nixon, Mad Hatter, dingy, just to name a few. They all have their place. It just takes some patience and trial and error to find each ones sweet spot. I'm just not that guy who hits one Atty all day every day. Maybe that explains my usually empty bank account since every Atty needs a mod. Oh well. Better than spending money on lung cancer treatments.
 

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I like them all, well except for my tobh. The sob whistles when I hit it. Each has its character and once I find the right build for it, it is in my rotation. From my Doge V2 right down to my Nixon, Mad Hatter, dingy, just to name a few. They all have their place. It just takes some patience and trial and error to find each ones sweet spot. I'm just not that guy who hits one Atty all day every day. Maybe that explains my usually empty bank account since every Atty needs a mod. Oh well. Better than spending money on lung cancer treatments.
which tobh? have you thought of drilling out the airholes at all? or the indestrucble :) that's a damn nice atty
 

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I found a good UK deal on an authentic Indestructible RDA, only a few more ££ than the Sapor, but has anyone tried both?
 

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The indestructible is a awesome rda. I have the original jaybo one not the wismec remake. I can see a difference in the build quality.

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which tobh? have you thought of drilling out the airholes at all? or the indestrucble :) that's a damn nice atty

I'm sure it's the tobeco, but if I drilled out the holes I wouldn't be able to bitch about how it whistles now would I? Can't have that.
I like the indestructible too. Very good atty and under 25 bucks too, at least when I bought it. I bought mine with my noisy cricket and they seem like a very good pairing, although my doge v2 is usually mounted on the cricket, I do swap it out from time to time.
 

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I'm sure it's the tobeco, but if I drilled out the holes I wouldn't be able to bitch about how it whistles now would I? Can't have that.
I like the indestructible too. Very good atty and under 25 bucks too, at least when I bought it. I bought mine with my noisy cricket and they seem like a very good pairing, although my doge v2 is usually mounted on the cricket, I do swap it out from time to time.
lmao!!!!!
I'm a freaking idiot sometimes. I bought the indestructible when it was just jaybo, for 50$, then bought the top airflow flow vls kit for 35$ and the cloudchaser kit for 35$
so I'm 110$ invested in an atty that I use with the cloudchaser kit on my hexohm. then when I bought the noisy cricket, I bought another indestructible from wismec, and its exactly the same. hahahaha gotta love vaping
 

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How do you think people who paid fourty bucks for a Doge V2 two days before ECig City decided to flush their stock and dropped them to under 10 bucks felt?
No matter how it goes, vaping still saved my life there f1r3b1rd. I'll tolerate a little pricing nuance here and there. Ya feel me?
 

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How do you think people who paid fourty bucks for a Doge V2 two days before ECig City decided to flush their stock and dropped them to under 10 bucks felt?
No matter how it goes, vaping still saved my life there f1r3b1rd. I'll tolerate a little pricing nuance here and there. Ya feel me?
very true!!
 

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Been enjoying a Stumpy clone lately. Funny lookin' little nub, but real good flavor. Out of a half dozen rda's I have, only one is an original (Sapor), the rest are clones. Feel kinda bad about buying rip offs, but the original manufacturers are setting ridiculous price points. At least twice what they should be, and often three or four times over. As an example, the Stumpy is $90 from Element. I got the clone as an afterthought on a china order and it was $6.50. Of course the quality is inferior, but it's not bad and works fine...
 

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Got an authentic Vector on the way. For the price of a Sapor here in the UK that Viper Vapes deal was too good to miss.

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Been enjoying a Stumpy clone lately. Funny lookin' little nub, but real good flavor. Out of a half dozen rda's I have, only one is an original (Sapor), the rest are clones. Feel kinda bad about buying rip offs, but the original manufacturers are setting ridiculous price points. At least twice what they should be, and often three or four times over. As an example, the Stumpy is $90 from Element. I got the clone as an afterthought on a china order and it was $6.50. Of course the quality is inferior, but it's not bad and works fine...

I feel you. I have all authentics but I watch the sales and use my points and keep an eye out on promo's. There's good deals almost daily as long as you pay attention. I almost always pay half price or better this way. It helps that I'm patient.

As far as Chinese clones goes, why not? I mean they really are pretty basic things. Positive and negative posts set up in a way that they fire coils, an air flow chamber and an exhaust. Build quality can be all over the place, but at the end of the day, they create vapor that delivers what we need to keep us off those stinkies and that's what counts. Vape on any way you can and don't feel guilty. Supporting cigarette companies and keeping then in business is what people should feel guilty about.
 

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Last weekend I did a build on my (authentic) Vector. (That really is a nicely-made RDA, btw.) Even after I'd pretty much gotten over the vape tongue, the vape just wasn't all that impressive. Took out the screen. Still not all that. I knew the juice could be killer, because I'd sampled it from an RDA at the store. Then, yesterday evening, I looked into the RDA and noticed I'd not been lining up the air holes with the coils very well. They were only kinda sorta more-or-less approximately over the coils. Gave the body a bit of a turn to center the coils under the air holes and...

HOLY VAPOURS, what a difference!

Vapour quantity and density shot up dramatically, and flavour became terrific! It was night & day.
 

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Air flow is everything Brother. The more direct the better. Tell us about your build.
 

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Last weekend I did a build on my (authentic) Vector. (That really is a nicely-made RDA, btw.) Even after I'd pretty much gotten over the vape tongue, the vape just wasn't all that impressive. Took out the screen. Still not all that. I knew the juice could be killer, because I'd sampled it from an RDA at the store. Then, yesterday evening, I looked into the RDA and noticed I'd not been lining up the air holes with the coils very well. They were only kinda sorta more-or-less approximately over the coils. Gave the body a bit of a turn to center the coils under the air holes and...

HOLY VAPOURS, what a difference!

Vapour quantity and density shot up dramatically, and flavour became terrific! It was night & day.
Jim Jim Jim
You know that the vector has locking mechanism,like the velocity??


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lmao!!!!!
I'm a freaking idiot sometimes. I bought the indestructible when it was just jaybo, for 50$, then bought the top airflow flow vls kit for 35$ and the cloudchaser kit for 35$
so I'm 110$ invested in an atty that I use with the cloudchaser kit on my hexohm. then when I bought the noisy cricket, I bought another indestructible from wismec, and its exactly the same. hahahaha gotta love vaping
Wow you wasted a lot of dough there, you might as well buy mine lol


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Money on vape gear, even if you overspend, is still money well spent as long as your money doesn't end up in the Marlboro Man's pocket. Truth????
 

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What locking mechanism? Cuz I don't see it.
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Keep turning the vector barrel until u hit a lock
The VECTOR SYMBOL SHOULD BE ON THE SIDE KIND LIKE
ON THE CLOCK
11 2 5 and 7 you know it's lock when you can't turn the barrel clockwise anymore...


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Keep turning the vector barrel until u hit a lock
The VECTOR SYMBOL SHOULD BE ON THE SIDE KIND LIKE
ON THE CLOCK
11 2 5 and 7 you know it's lock when you can't turn the barrel clockwise anymore...
I did not know that. I'll check it out, first thing, when I get home. Thanks!

ETA: Ha! Brain fart on my part. I'd noticed the body of the RDA was milled-out where the negative posts sit and I thought "Ok. I want to make certain those posts are centered in that milled-out area." In fact @ej1024 had the right of it: You turn the body of the RDA clockwise until it stops, then the air intakes are perfectly positioned over the coils.

Nice :) Life is good :)

I'm going to have to try it with a lower-ohm build, tho, I think. Just because I can. And perhaps wick it a little harder.
 
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I finally decided which RDA is my favorite. The one I just bought - of course this only lasts until I get the next one. I just got a Hobo and Aeronuat - they are my current favorites until I get bored, lol. Seriously - build it right and they will come.
 

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Im loving my velocity and legion right now
 

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@inswva - thanks for posting this amazing $15.00 deal for the Authentic VLS Vector.
Holy Awesome Price, Batman!

I had been almost kind of wishing I bought two at the $20 price at viper-vape. But at $15 a pop... I might buy another two.

I'm using mine, right now, loaded with Archangel, while I enjoy my morning coffee and I gotta tell y'all: This is just a terrific RDA.
 

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The airflow on the Vector would fool you. Whomever designed it really did do their homework.

I found that, when I refreshed the juice, I'd tend to get unvaporized juice in my mouth on the first couple vapes. I presumed it was because I was sometimes dropping a bit of juice atop the center post. So, last re-juice, I made sure to avoid that and blotted the top of the body and the center post, with a paper towel, before replacing the top. Still got a drop of juice on the first vape. All I can figure is the airflow is so strong, directed at the coils, that, if you hit it too hard, right after re-juicing, any juice sitting atop the coils gets caught in the airflow and away it goes.

And, no: This is not from popping. This is right at the start of the vape, before the coils even get nearly that hot.
 

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The airflow on the Vector would fool you. Whomever designed it really did do their homework.

I found that, when I refreshed the juice, I'd tend to get unvaporized juice in my mouth on the first couple vapes. I presumed it was because I was sometimes dropping a bit of juice atop the center post. So, last re-juice, I made sure to avoid that and blotted the top of the body and the center post, with a paper towel, before replacing the top. Still got a drop of juice on the first vape. All I can figure is the airflow is so strong, directed at the coils, that, if you hit it too hard, right after re-juicing, any juice sitting atop the coils gets caught in the airflow and away it goes.

And, no: This is not from popping. This is right at the start of the vape, before the coils even get nearly that hot.
That was my experience with it. I drank as much juice as I vaped. The Aeolus is the only top airflow atty I've used to not vape like straw
 

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The airflow on the Vector would fool you. Whomever designed it really did do their homework.

I found that, when I refreshed the juice, I'd tend to get unvaporized juice in my mouth on the first couple vapes. I presumed it was because I was sometimes dropping a bit of juice atop the center post. So, last re-juice, I made sure to avoid that and blotted the top of the body and the center post, with a paper towel, before replacing the top. Still got a drop of juice on the first vape. All I can figure is the airflow is so strong, directed at the coils, that, if you hit it too hard, right after re-juicing, any juice sitting atop the coils gets caught in the airflow and away it goes.

And, no: This is not from popping. This is right at the start of the vape, before the coils even get nearly that hot.
Jim Jim Jim,
Don't suck it too hard, it's not a competition RDA
DRIP on the side, it's not a VELOCITY
did you figure out how to lock it yet?
Jim Jim Jim


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Looks like that Vector is the same concept as the Sapor, with holes instead of slots. Kind of a shame they didn't go with a Velocity style deck, or at least a 2 hole pos post like Wotofo. Was going to jump on that 15 buck deal until I saw the 3 post. I have to hit the Sapor as hard as I can to get any juice up the drip tip, and even that aint much...
 

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My favorite rda
With custom drip sleeve


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Jim Jim Jim,
Don't suck it too hard, it's not a competition RDA
ej ej ej
I figured that out :) (Btw: I wasn't hitting it any harder than I do my Plume Veil or Marquis.)

DRIP on the side, it's not a VELOCITY
Hmmm... Hadn't occurred to me I could do that.

did you figure out how to lock it yet?
Jim Jim Jim
It's not a "lock," per se, in the same sense that the Velocity Mini's drip tip locks the air adjustment. But, yes: I see how the stops work, now. I mentioned that back in post #174.
ej ej ej
 

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That was my experience with it. I drank as much juice as I vaped. The Aeolus is the only top airflow atty I've used to not vape like straw
*shrug* Once I figured out what was going on, it became a non-problem. Just stop hitting it like it was going to be my last, dying vape ;)

Looks like that Vector is the same concept as the Sapor, with holes instead of slots.
That and incredible build quality. This thing was so nice, coming out of the box, that I almost wanted to put it back in the box (which is pretty special, in and of itself) and never sully it :p

Kind of a shame they didn't go with a Velocity style deck, or at least a 2 hole pos post like Wotofo. Was going to jump on that 15 buck deal until I saw the 3 post.
I kind of thought the same thing, at first, but it turns out to be a non-problem. In fact: It's easier to build on than a "split" center post because you don't end up with a wire end from the 2nd coil buried behind the first coil, where you can't get to it with the snips.
 

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Compvapes 13 heavens 9 hells. Dotmod Petri v1.5 w/cloud cap.

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"I kind of thought the same thing, at first, but it turns out to be a non-problem. In fact: It's easier to build on than a "split" center post because you don't end up with a wire end from the 2nd coil buried behind the first coil, where you can't get to it with the snips."

Try these or something similar.

Amazon search - /Hakko-TR-20-SM-D-Flush-cut-Construction-Dissipative/dp/B00FZPM7PG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1453041149&sr=8-3&keywords=flush+cut+wire+cutter

My main gripe about 3 post is trying to get the legs the same length. A hot leg just makes a mess of trying to use temp control. With that particular atty might not be an issue as you don't have to center the coil over a bottom air hole.

p.s. link would not post??, so that was the best I could do

different link try

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-5-in-Light-Weight-Flush-Cutter-D2755/100647983

Well that one works, guess VUG just doesn't like Amazon :rolleyes:
 
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"I kind of thought the same thing, at first, but it turns out to be a non-problem. In fact: It's easier to build on than a "split" center post because you don't end up with a wire end from the 2nd coil buried behind the first coil, where you can't get to it with the snips."
Try these or something similar.
Amazon search - /Hakko-TR-20-SM-D-Flush-cut-Construction-Dissipative/dp/B00FZPM7PG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1453041149&sr=8-3&keywords=flush+cut+wire+cutter
p.s. link would not post??, so that was the best I could do
Is this your Amazon Link? Hakko TR 20 SM D... $18.62

Not as rich as I once was, think I'd sooner go with this Hakko CHP 170 - I haven't compared the specs, but I think it would do. $4.37

Ceramic tweezers (great deal if these are purchased together). $3.35 ($7.72) for the pair.
 

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I bought a pair of cheapos to begin with. The edge failed on 24g stainless, or maybe it was Ti, right near the tip. Can't remember what the brand was, they got tossed. The pair I have now is Xuron 410 Micro Shear. These are good ones, but don't recall the price. Real helpful huh?...lol
 

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This is an interesting and informative thread. It got me to using RDA's again as I had been on an RTA fad lately. Have ordered Petri 1.5 and Origen V3 clones based on what I have learned here.

The talk about most flavor/clouds prompted me to look at/test the ones I already have. And I'm starting to realize that they are all good, and very close on the final, subjective, determination of what is the best for flavor or clouds or a combination thereof. I dusted off and built (dual SS 24g) an old Tobh clone, and I think that on a blind vape test I would be hard pressed to differentiate it from the others, with the exception of air flow, and that could standardized with same drip tip and air opening settings. Or if you have a drill motor and some good bits, or a dremel you could modify the air holes to suit your preference.

It seems that the most enthusiastic, vociferous and polarized opinions come from those who paid full pop for an authentic. I understand, buyers remorse can be bad when you realize that you paid ten times what they can be had for.

Speaking of price, of the 7 RDA's I have (or ones on the way), typical price/msrp would come out to $542. The clones have set me back $62. Granted, the authentics are of better quality, but they all have basically the same amount of material and machining involved. And ultimately function similarly enough that if you tell me you can tell the difference, then please pass the salt 'cause I need a couple of grains....
 

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Look, almost any RDA can produce clouds and taste. A lot has to do with how you build your coils (resistance, high or low, clapton or regular kanthal, etc.). At the moment I'm vaping on a single coil 7 wrap clapton at .8 ohms on my Stumpy RDA. It's a clone - I generally buy authentics but the Stumpy clone is spot on. The flavor is amazing and I can vape this between 45-50 watts and get clouds too.

Now I have four compvape products all authentic - the El Cabron, the Twisted and the 13th and the new Double Vision. I build these with coils that are closer to .16 ohm. They also taste great. Sure the clouds are larger but I need to keep the air flow on half to get a dense flavorful vape. I do like them a lot.

But I like my Doge V2, I like my Hobo, I like my Phenotype L, my blitz Hannya and I like my Velocity mini. If I build them correctly they all perform well. I think you can over think atomizers. All have their pros and cons. But if you build them right I think they are all great.
 

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Look, almost any RDA can produce clouds and taste. A lot has to do with how you build your coils (resistance, high or low, clapton or regular kanthal, etc.). At the moment I'm vaping on a single coil 7 wrap clapton at .8 ohms on my Stumpy RDA. It's a clone - I generally buy authentics but the Stumpy clone is spot on. The flavor is amazing and I can vape this between 45-50 watts and get clouds too.

Now I have four compvape products all authentic - the El Cabron, the Twisted and the 13th and the new Double Vision. I build these with coils that are closer to .16 ohm. They also taste great. Sure the clouds are larger but I need to keep the air flow on half to get a dense flavorful vape. I do like them a lot.

But I like my Doge V2, I like my Hobo, I like my Phenotype L, my blitz Hannya and I like my Velocity mini. If I build them correctly they all perform well. I think you can over think atomizers. All have their pros and cons. But if you build them right I think they are all great.
U are absolutely correct,


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I partially agree... really any rda can get ya where ya want to be vaping but some just suck ass. If you have to drill your rda it sucks, if it leaks it sucks, then there a few other factors.
Like compvapes rdas are fully adjustable, you can have the airflow ya like and the style you like, the 510 pin sticks out some for using on hybrids, they dont get scorching hot on heavy builds, you can use 510 drip, or varying chuffs which they supply at no extra cost, parts are interchangeable with previous rdas.... really they didnt hold back on shit and price isnt that bad for authentics... to me compvapes products are the best for all those reasons.

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Now I have four compvape products all authentic - the El Cabron, the Twisted and the 13th and the new Double Vision. I build these with coils that are closer to .16 ohm. They also taste great. Sure the clouds are larger but I need to keep the air flow on half to get a dense flavorful vape. I do like them a lot.

How many watts do vape you compvape at 0.16?

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Generally vape at around 75 - 95 watts depending on the juice and my mood. The higher the watts the more open the air flow. But I prefer a half opened air flow at 75-80 watts TBH. I get a nice dense vape with lots of flavor. I'm not really a cloud chaser but these attys are made for clouds especially the new Double Vision. You can put some big ass coils in it.

My favorite atty at the moment is my clone Stumpy as I mentioned. Flavoir is superb and single coil works really well in it. It is an all day vape for me. I also built my Hobo high (.56 ohm) and it is a dual coil and also a great all day vape because you can fill that sucker up with a shit load of juice and it does not even leak. The deepest well I have ever seen. Both these two attys can be vaped between 45-55 watts and work really well. This uses a bit less juice and battery.
 

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My Vector RDA arrived today. Gotta love VLS products always impressive design and build. Love my Vulcan, but side airflow is prone to leak when out and about and when overfilling. If I like the Vector will get another one for "vapemageddon"...

On an aside my preferred thumb screws weren't included unlike with the Vulcan, so will order some "screws of destiny"...
 

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Loving the Vector, I have ordered a spare. Thumb screws would be too big for this atty, I have a hex screwdriver and to be honest it isn't more fiddly vs. thumb screws.
 

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Question to those that own a Jaybo/wismec indestructible & a Vector, what makes the vector a better RDA than the indestructible? Looks like essentially the same design to me. Curious cause I've got the wismec version of the indestructible on its way & wondering if its worthwhile to get a vector also.
 

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I don't own both, but they are very different designs. Yes you can fit parts between Jaybo and Vulcan/VLS attys, but past that there are few similarities. In anycase next month I will pick up an Indestructible for sure. At the prices seems silly not to snag one a month or so...
 

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