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You were totally right about the marzipan. It was a good replacement for the hazelnut almond and EM. I can definitely taste the sweet in this one. Its even sweeter than it was before. Honey, marzipan and AP makes a pretty good Bit-O-Honey if anyone is interested. I ended up at 3/3/3 but I'm flavor challenged, you could probably halve them.
Should probably change my name to:
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Funny you mention not being able to handle spicy stuff as well since you stopped smoking. Same exact thing with me, and I used to eat some blazing peppers years ago.That's the thing...I can't really do spicy like I could when I was smoking a little over four months ago. Even most frozen pizzas burn my tongue now!
If you've ever had Hoofmints from Caribou Coffee, well, most people need to spit them out. I used to chew on them like candy. I'm curious to see what I can handle with those now!
I'm thinking my sweets taster is off somehow because of my diabetes, to be honest, and because of that, I'm thinking those that can't taste the sweet flavors might wanna get checked.
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I have trouble getting single fruit flavors to the strength I like as well. I have to treat single fruit flavors like a "recipe" to get them where I need them.
The trick is to coax the main flavor out of hiding by adding support flavors that do not alter the main flavor.
A few that work for me:
If I add a small amount of Apricot to White Peach it makes the Peach come to life. Vice Versa, if I add a small amount of White peach to Apricot,
it brings the Apricot to life.
Adding Strawberry to Watermelon will bring the Watermelon to life.
Adding Pear to Banana or Banana Cream will bring out the Banana flavor.
Adding Peach to Pear brings out stronger pear.
Blueberry was tough for me, I had to mix different types of Blueberry flavoring to get it to stand.
Adding Lime to Lemon will sharpen the Lemon, the same in reverse.
Sour can be added to pop fruits, then add some sweetener to offset it, if needed.
You know your percentages are right when the supporting flavor cannot be detected.
FA Butterscotch is my bane. I have bottles from different suppliers, and both smell like sugar water to me. I cant taste it solo no matter what.
I have added AP, no dice. I could eat butterscotch morsels from the bag if you let me. Its ticking me off I cannot get anything from it.
There is also not much I can Shake N Vape, even Hic's recipes. They never taste right to me unless they sit at least 2 days. They are great from that point though. And for me, Vienna Cream smells and tastes like a chemical mess unless it ages 2-3 days in a mix.
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I've been pretty fortunate with FA flavors so far. Bilberry, I get a bad taste from not blueberry. Pineapple tastes like onions. Blackberry smells so strong of dyer sheets in the bottle, I'm scared to mix with it. Other than that, I find most FA flavors (50+ others I've tried so far) pleasant and strong. I actually use less than others recommend here for some. Some flavors mellow and fade a bit with time while others grow stronger. Although I don't always demonstrate it, patience is key.
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I'm in the same boat Sully. I get an "off" taste with Bilberry and Pineapple. I have tried both as a single flavor with no luck. I have tried them in recipes and still get that utterly indescribable taste. I've chalked it up to recovering taste buds (gave up Stinkies 4 months ago). I hope to find replacements from another flavoring company.
I kinda have the same issues with Butterscotch, but not just FA tho.
Same for Butter Pecan, Butter Toffee, etc.
Adding in some Caramel helps a little bit IMO.
That's another flavor that's somewhat vague to me also.
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I won't know for sure until later this week, but there's a possibility that my SVD is at fault for my not tasting my Strawberries-n-Cream very well. Every once in a while, I get a STRONG strawberry taste from my Nautilus, but most of the time, it's almost like vaping flavorless (well, almost).
I'll see if the ProVari's system has anything different to say about my tastes. It's the pulse type that I'm possibly blaming, not jumping on the "Oh, ProVaris are better at everything!" bandwagon.
I also get a burnt taste with ANYTHING over 8.5 watts with my SVD.
I'll see if the ProVari's system has anything different to say about my tastes. It's the pulse type that I'm possibly blaming, not jumping on the "Oh, ProVaris are better at everything!" bandwagon.
I also get a burnt taste with ANYTHING over 8.5 watts with my SVD.
Woh, great post. Thanks AyeJay!
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Just mixed up the version for Emilie. @HeadInClouds Your a Genius! This is spot on. Looking forward to trying the @Thunderball version next.http://vapingunderground.com/threads/need-lemon-meringue-pie-recipe-please.3167/#post-65436
I just mixed this up (finally!), and I'm pretty happy with it!
Possibly could use more Vienna Cream or Meringue. Not sure yet. I'll play with it a little next time I mix it.
I've heard that there are "numbing" additives in real cigs so that everyone can handle the throat hit of burning paper and leaves, not even to mention the 4000 chemicals.
So, with our mouth half numb, we merrily chopped away at "hot" stuff
Can't handle it now that my mouth is back to normal
Mine was Jalapeno Poppers ........absolutely drool for those things.
I make my own at home now ...yummy
Did you know that when you buy Jalapenos peppers fresh in the store, that the more pointed the end is, the hotter they are ???
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I still enjoy the hot stuff!! Cant say I noticed a difference when I switched. I grew ghost peppers last year (naga jolokia) over 1 million Scoville heat units.I've heard that there are "numbing" additives in real cigs so that everyone can handle the throat hit of burning paper and leaves, not even to mention the 4000 chemicals.
So, with our mouth half numb, we merrily chopped away at "hot" stuff
Can't handle it now that my mouth is back to normal
Mine was Jalapeno Poppers ........absolutely drool for those things.
I make my own at home now ...yummy
Did you know that when you buy Jalapenos peppers fresh in the store, that the more pointed the end is, the hotter they are ???
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. Friggin squirrels would take one bit and just about die. LOL. But then they would grab another and bite that too, thinking it would be different. They learned. Made many things with them including a white queso dip that burns your face off. Love that stuff. Nothing clears the sinus's like some hotness!
AyeJay .... spot on, and thanks for reminding us, we tend to get in ruts, instead of thinking things out off and on.
I don't Shake & Bake either.
Juices just taste better to me after time has gone by, and they get a chance to do their thing.
RyGon ..... your Bit-O-Honey recipe sounds yummy,.. my sweet tooth is awake and listening.
HeaBob .....I don't feel so sorry for myself now, since there are other vapers with the same "can't taste" problems.
At least I know it's not just me
I'm working on locating the same flavors, so if you find a goody on the grocery list, let me know
I don't Shake & Bake either.
Juices just taste better to me after time has gone by, and they get a chance to do their thing.
RyGon ..... your Bit-O-Honey recipe sounds yummy,.. my sweet tooth is awake and listening.
HeaBob .....I don't feel so sorry for myself now, since there are other vapers with the same "can't taste" problems.
At least I know it's not just me
I'm working on locating the same flavors, so if you find a goody on the grocery list, let me know
Love that stuff. Nothing clears the sinus's like some hotness!
You got that right .. I had to set a tissue box near me the other night while enjoying some creamy horseradish.
Wonder if they make a flavor like that ??? I love Chinese mustard too
Why something that burns your mouth, makes you eyes water, and makes the sinus's cut loose, tastes so darn good and is so enjoyable is beyond rational reasoning
Makes me wonder why I don't care for "Red Hots" flavoring.
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Tissues always within arms reach of the dinner table.
I would totally be interested in trying some more 'food' based vapes. Maybe someone here has suggestions. I've seen ham, bacon, pizza but that's most of it. I do have FA Black Pepper I have been waiting to mess with. I know Cucumber and Cantaloupe will prob go good with that. But what else??? 
Anything more than medium hot wings at hooters and I would be whining like a baby.
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Watch out for that cucumber and black pepper combination! Good as it was, when I wanted to change flavors - even though I washed out my Reo with soap and water and used a different bottle - the taste is still overwhelmingly cucumberish and permeates every other juice that I put in it now!
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I use cucumber now in a couple melon mixes. It is a stainer, but if you use it at a low enough percentage, it's not that bad. Does black pepper overstay it's welcome too?
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I can't remember the recipe (Hermit's I think?) but I don't think there was more than 2% in it (and 1% black pepper?) - but the taste sure lingers! At least it's a nice taste....LOL
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Yeah, my melon mixes are like 0.5% cucumber. I will be trying hermits mix. And I'm sure it will stain the crap out of my build. But I'm OK with that.
We make them bacon wrapped instead of battered. Yumm! Jalapeño plants put out like crazy so you have to have a few recipes up your sleeve.I've heard that there are "numbing" additives in real cigs so that everyone can handle the throat hit of burning paper and leaves, not even to mention the 4000 chemicals.
So, with our mouth half numb, we merrily chopped away at "hot" stuff
Can't handle it now that my mouth is back to normal
Mine was Jalapeno Poppers ........absolutely drool for those things.
I make my own at home now ...yummy
Did you know that when you buy Jalapenos peppers fresh in the store, that the more pointed the end is, the hotter they are ???
My "tidbit" for the day
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All my pepper plants always put out WAY more than than one would expect. I tried giving them away but most were like, "thats too hot for me". I ended up drying and grounding a bunch into a shakeable pepper powder.
I don't batter them, but I stuff them with a cream cheese, bacon, onion mix, and bake'm ... yummy
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Sounds really good! Sooo hungry right now. Need to walk away and construct dinner. At this point, something spicy is inevitable.
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Same thing for me with the Billberry. It smells delicious, but tastes very weird to me.
Maybe thats what happened to my taste buds. I married a half Mexican. She is also half German so between the jalapeños and the sauerkraut that probably did it.All my pepper plants always put out WAY more than than one would expect. I tried giving them away but most were like, "thats too hot for me". I ended up drying and grounding a bunch into a shakeable pepper powder.
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Hubby picks them off of the plants, cleans and stuffs them with a cream cheese, Mexican shredded cheese, etc, and bbq's them. He and daughter's boyfriend scarf them down, us females stay far away! He also makes green chile stew, drives us out of the house...
Being from Texas, I love the hot stuff. We even have a fiery food exhibition every year called the ZestFest . . . so much fun! I keep saying I'm going to make a fiery vape, but I haven't mustered the courage yet
Dry 'em and smoke 'em. Chipotles.All my pepper plants always put out WAY more than than one would expect. I tried giving them away but most were like, "thats too hot for me". I ended up drying and grounding a bunch into a shakeable pepper powder.
Sadly I can't eat hot peppers anymore without it killin my gut. I don't even grow them anymore. But, I have noticed since I quit smoking that coffee will burn my mouth cause it's hot. I know, duh, right haha, but when I smoked I could chug it as soon as it was done. It's all I drink 100 degrees outside, hot coffee, 12 degrees outside hot coffee. Never burnt me before.
The other thing I noticed is salt is in everything. I only use salt when I cook and I never thought I used that much either. I had some watermelon I grew this weekend and it even tasted salty.
All this is only after 6 weeks without a cigarette.
The other thing I noticed is salt is in everything. I only use salt when I cook and I never thought I used that much either. I had some watermelon I grew this weekend and it even tasted salty.
All this is only after 6 weeks without a cigarette.
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Man, I hope this ages well. I mixed this up yesterday, and had to try it today. Pretty damn good. Feels very ethereal.
FA Apple Pie 2%
FA Apple 1%
FA Vienna Cream 1%
FA Vanilla Tahiti 1%
FA Caramel .5%
FA Fresh Cream .5%
FA Cinnamon Ceylon .25%
Sweeten to taste and add a drop or two of Koolada for every 5ml as another option.
Vape at low to medium power.
FA Apple Pie 2%
FA Apple 1%
FA Vienna Cream 1%
FA Vanilla Tahiti 1%
FA Caramel .5%
FA Fresh Cream .5%
FA Cinnamon Ceylon .25%
Sweeten to taste and add a drop or two of Koolada for every 5ml as another option.
Vape at low to medium power.
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I am also going to make that exact recipe using Fuji in place of the Apple to compare. I say try it, I imagine it would be very similar. I am a big fan of Fuji as well.
this is why i keep saying.. taste is subjective.
if you are having issues tasting fruits.. fruit express (ecigx) does an excellent job..
at least with the ones I have tried.
if you are having issues tasting fruits.. fruit express (ecigx) does an excellent job..
at least with the ones I have tried.
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Tissues always within arms reach of the dinner table.
I saw wasabi flavoring at ecx the other day. I loves me some wasabi but can't eat any pepper kind of hot stuff.
http://www.ecigexpress.com/wasabi-by-flavors-express-10ml.html The review looks like it's in the wrong place. Slightly fruity, sweet and smooth. Wuh?
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I think you got it right with: Wuh? I tried 3 flavors from them and all were yucky. It sounds interesting enough that it may be worth at least tasting. I will consider it. Thanks!
Wuh?sabi.
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FA makes Condensed Milk, but it's a Kitchen Magic flavor with 0.5% diacetyl.
Not interested in diacetyl, but if you were replicating a recipe that called for any of those ingredients what would you use?
Vienna Cream is the closest you can come without adding custard ingredients. Fresh Cream may also be used, or in combination with Vienna, for a lighter-tasting version.
Sweet, Ive got that one. Any magic trick to turn a lemon or orange into zest?
Orange is a juice-tasting flavor. Lemon Sicily is a sugared-lemon-zest-with-juice flavor (modeled after Limoncello liqueur, which uses zest plus sugar). The same 'trick' will not work on both, and what will/might work depends greatly on the other flavorings you're using and the overall flavor you're shooting for. There are several approaches you can take when you want to change the character of a flavor (like you want to do to Orange) or emphasize an existing characteristic of a flavor (Lemon Sicily).
When you taste/smell real citrus zest, you are sensing the essential oils. One approach is to go straight to the source and use essential oils - can't get any closer than that - or flavorings that contain them. You'd be working with micro-micro quantities, unless the citrus is a major component of your overall flavor. If it is, and/or you don't want to vape essential oils, you need a different approach.
We don't detect essential oils as sweet, and both of those flavors have some sweetness. If (to your palate) the flavors would be what you want if only you could take away some sweetness, you can try to damp that note by experimenting with Bitter Wizard. Minimizing the VG in your base will also cut sweetness. If (to your palate) the flavor would be what you want if you could add some sourness, you could experiment with various acids (Malic acid from TFA Sour; citric acid from actual citrus juice, Lorann tart-n-sour, even FA Lime or Grapefruit or Madd Fruit - lots to experiment with). You have to really think about that - whether you want to add a characteristic or try to cover one up...or maybe a bit of both. The ideal solution will absolutely vary with the other flavorings you're using and your proportions.
You can also 'trick' your senses by using the other flavorings to your advantage. If it's a complex recipe, and every other flavor is just right, then having one minor ingredient that's not quite the right character can work perfectly anyway. Our brains (tongues?) fill in the gaps, so to speak, when an expected flavor in a complex mix is off or even missing - like Starbucks Pumpkin Spice Latte, which people swear contains pumpkin flavor, but actually does not... or the way bubble gum flavoring is made from a few totally familiar flavors that few people can even identify when combined. Our senses can deceive us, and that's just fun to play with, lol!
That last approach is the one that most intrigues me. I've found many times that getting 90% of a recipe perfect but something not quite right with the character of one flavor can produce excellent results, totally eliminating the need to mess with that final flavor. The more complex the mix, the more 'off' that final one can be before our taste buds rebel. Different people have different tolerance for this, and it can vary throughout the day. Sitting down to vape while focusing fully on the flavors can give a much different impression than vaping the same flavor while distracted by daily activities. When you start messing with flavoring at this level of complexity, incorporating flavor illusions, you get to the really fun stuff! Though it can be a major challenge, if you're willing to devote the effort, your results can be so satisfying.
I really can't answer your question any more directly, but I hope this give you an idea of the approaches you could take.
Holy cow, I think I drug another epic post out of HIC. You better write a book or I'm just going to plagiarize all of your posts. Might just publish under your alias while I'm at it.
Thanks again.
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I bought FA's sweet cream , vanilla classic and caramel and wanted to know if these are what most people add to tobacco flavors , any other add ins to traditional tobacco flavorings?
HIC , i also finally got some FA oriental for the weed recipes.
Thanks
HIC , i also finally got some FA oriental for the weed recipes.
Thanks
This is where @downInTn comes in handy! Fruits? Nuts? Spice? And, other tobaccos.
You can get pretty creative with the tobaccos. Check out: http://vapingunderground.com/threads/have-a-flavorart-cigar.5850/#post-83772
Ive been doing a lot of experimenting but a straight 2% tuscan reserve is proving tough to beat for my tastes.
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Not sure i understand , i clicked link and went to a members profile page.
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Yeah, thats one thing i can't tolerate , anything that reminds me of a cigar lol. I like sweet tobacco's , i was just curious about whether caramel , sweet cream or vanilla is good with tobacco's.
Yeah, those are all good in tobaccos. I really like adding the nutty flavors, almond, hazelnut, walnut all have been good to me. Fruits are popular additions also, fuji(apple), pear, and peach are the ones I've been using. Lately I've been loving the effect of adding a pinch(not enough to discern) of banana to some tobacco mixes. Then there's cocoa and espresso.... major yum!