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ORCHID MODIFICATION THREAD
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Not yet. The closest I've got is the Delrin tube blanks from Fatdaddyvapes, but OD, ID and length have to be fit to size.
"6mm Delrin Tube Blanks $4.99/set. Made for use on your atty posi contact. Chuck it up on a drill and shape to fit with a small file. 6mm diameter X 20mm length. Comes in a set of 3 tubes with 2.0mm, 2.5mm, and 3.0mm unthreaded bores." http://www.fatdaddyvapes.com/shop.html
By comparison FT replacement bases (V1 only so far) are only $5.43. I bought a couple of these at the beginning of my Orchid use as backups. When they come out with a V2 or higher base I will get a couple more. Good deal insurance-wise. (I scrapped a V1 base drilling and tapping a fill hole.)
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10009751/1855601-replacement-base-for-orchid-rebuildable-tank
However, the stock insulators appear to be Nylon not Delrin, which is why they're more vulnerable to melting. Delrin of course has a much higher melt temperature and much greater strength at high temperature.
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Have you been sub-ohming at .01 again?
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Have you been sub-ohming at .01 again?
It was 1, I will be finding somethhhinnng better than the plastic it had. Me thinks some glass may be in order.
Id like to see how u do that.
I'm vaping at 1.1 Is this what I have to look forward to?
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I will let you know, have you ever seen the glass insulators they sell in candle shops?
I plan on stopping and see what they have, I have found different sizes, the trick will be to cut it using string
No, I haven't. If you do it you I hope you post some picsI will let you know, have you ever seen the glass insulators they sell in candle shops?
I plan on stopping and see what they have, I have found different sizes, the trick will be to cut it using string
Okay, don't get mad at me about how makeshift this is @Eric DeCastro and @Lighty269. If my top and bottom Orchid insulators were totally fried and I wanted to get back on line before the slow boat from China arrives or whatever, this is what I would do:
-Get some high temperature plastic tape like this:
-Unscrew the 510 contact from the center pin, remove center pin from base, and clean melted plastic from pin and base bore.
-Wrap the center pin with the tape to just under the 5mm ID bore of the base.
-Insert and position center pin and apply epoxy/superglue to fix in place, careful not to glue over the threads.
-Apply workable Loctite to the 510 contact thread, screw on and adjust.
Nice thing about the Orchid center pin is that no air has to pass through or around it, so go ahead and seal away.
-Get some high temperature plastic tape like this:
-Unscrew the 510 contact from the center pin, remove center pin from base, and clean melted plastic from pin and base bore.
-Wrap the center pin with the tape to just under the 5mm ID bore of the base.
-Insert and position center pin and apply epoxy/superglue to fix in place, careful not to glue over the threads.
-Apply workable Loctite to the 510 contact thread, screw on and adjust.
Nice thing about the Orchid center pin is that no air has to pass through or around it, so go ahead and seal away.
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I've been between .5 and .7 on a half dozen Orchids with no issues. And, as you know, "Franny" is down to .2 with no complaints.
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I haven't but athertech did along with a 2 piece chimney and air flow control. No pics online, just the pre-order info.
http://puffpuffvapelv.com/products/pre-order-orchid-rba-by-aethertech
Maybe it would make a difference but you can only get so much flowing through the chimney so not sure. Kinda seems like putting an intake kit on your car but leaving the exhaust stock. Pre-sale info indicates a bigger chimney too so i would guess a whole new top cap to allow the bigger pipe to push through.
The clones should have a 2 piece chimney soon, so that's good. Could care less about AFC.
Probably, my buddy had his super close and his got kind of burnt brown looking. Didn't melt or anything but definitely was getting scorched.
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I see it has Peek insulators, where can someone get those?
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The only atty I own where I think the AFC is justified, is the mutation X.
Anyway, the next orchid version looks really nice on paper. But Aethertech will botch it. How could they not?
Airholes are still aligned to the juice deck. Hell, is it that hard to add a 1 or 2 mm bevel just to be on the safe side and allow the full deck to be a juice pool for the wicks to..well, wick? Ok, I know some people like to vape depolymerized plastics, I don't. Why not adding a full ss replacement tank? Without the capacity loss of the kayfun triple part tank retarded design. Chimney and topcap are still kayfun style. The Aqua and Gus ESTIA bell chambers and topcaps are so much better. And the design allows for a much wider chimney. I can imagine future RTA with fat chimney going right out of the top cap and serving as driptip. Kinda like the chuff tops for RDAs. And a 30mm deck. And a 10mm chimney. And still 10 mils or so juice capacity...
I really think 510 format has not long to live. We need bigger driptips, we need durable atomizer to mod connections.
They already botched it... no bottom fill
And yeah, at least a slightly raised lip around the air hole would have been nice. I don't have leaking issues but it would be a good design feature.
Oh, and it looks like they throw in the $0.15 hex wrench now too... nice of them.
And yeah, at least a slightly raised lip around the air hole would have been nice. I don't have leaking issues but it would be a good design feature.
Oh, and it looks like they throw in the $0.15 hex wrench now too... nice of them.
This tank works with the middle extended chimney in post #3. Will also work with V4 chimneys if tank is shortened by a few mm.
I don't use it because it feels too heavy. If I did use it I would chamfer the top and bottom edge to transition better between 23mm tank and the 22mm top cap and base. I do use it as a holder for top caps and bases when I'm working on them.
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10006709/1544800-stainless-steel-tank-for-taifun-gt-rba
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Thanks @TheWestPole this is going right into the basket.
Haha, indeed.
And mine don't leak either, but when I chain vape, I like knowing the wicks are literally bathing into juice... and since with 100VG juice, I don't need to put some fibers in the juice channels, the balance between dry hits and leaks is indeed very very unsteady.
They already botched it... no bottom fill
And yeah, at least a slightly raised lip around the air hole would have been nice. I don't have leaking issues but it would be a good design feature.
Oh, and it looks like they throw in the $0.15 hex wrench now too... nice of them.
Haha, indeed.
And mine don't leak either, but when I chain vape, I like knowing the wicks are literally bathing into juice... and since with 100VG juice, I don't need to put some fibers in the juice channels, the balance between dry hits and leaks is indeed very very unsteady.
Really, how the hell did they put out the new version without bottom fill??? Top fill is manageable, but bottom fill is superior imo. You can actually fill the tank.
They supposedly "fixed all the short comings" of the "prototype" that people spent $150 on to be a beta tester.
Yeah, I like juice a little thicker than the standard 60/40 too and run the chimney up about 2 turns to keep things moist.
They supposedly "fixed all the short comings" of the "prototype" that people spent $150 on to be a beta tester.
Yeah, I like juice a little thicker than the standard 60/40 too and run the chimney up about 2 turns to keep things moist.
This is not my conversation, but I don't know why you would deal with such a supplier when all FT, Tobeco, etc. Orchids since V2 have bottom fill, work great and are inexpensive as hell.
Orchid V3 stingray with Kepler hybrid cap in 18650 mode.
Not yet. The closest I've got is the Delrin tube blanks from Fatdaddyvapes, but OD and length have to be fit to size.
"6mm Delrin Tube Blanks $4.99/set. Made for use on your atty posi contact. Chuck it up on a drill and shape to fit with a small file. 6mm diameter X 20mm length. Comes in a set of 3 tubes with 2.0mm, 2.5mm, and 3.0mm unthreaded bores." http://www.fatdaddyvapes.com/shop.html
By comparison FT replacement bases (V1 only so far) are only $5.43. I bought a couple of these at the beginning of my Orchid use as backups. When they come out with a V2 or higher base I will get a couple more. Good deal insurance-wise. (I scrapped a V1 base drilling and tapping a fill hole.) However, the stock insulators appear to be Nylon not Delrin, which is why they're more vulnerable to melting. Delrin has a much higher melt temperature.
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10009751/1855601-replacement-base-for-orchid-rebuildable-tank
have you measure the stock insulator? will the fat daddy delrin work as a replacement? if so I'm going to order some and just cut the length to size. but want to make sure the diameter is correct.
FDV delrins really are just a starting place, and personally I don't think the effort required is worth it. I would look to the other fixes mentioned.
When I get a chance, I will pull a pin assembly and insulators and take measurements. That would be useful information for this thread.
great thanks. when My V4 get's here I'll break out my caliper and measure it, I don't want to take apart my V3 since it is melted and still working, knowing me I won't get the mangled insulator back in and I can't stop using my orchid. I love it.
If you are willing to deal with FT, why not just go for the full size Kayfun Quartz tank (and Orchid V4 replacement chimney while you are at it). I do use those tanks for tank-cracking juices and find they work very well, albeit with a little hit to capacity. Be sure to order extra glass though. The assembled units often arrive cracked.
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10009156/1756802-kayfun-quartz-tank-nano-kit
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10009156/1797300-kayfun-quartz-glass-tank
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10009751/1918600-replacement-chimney-for-orchid-v4-rebuildable
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@TheWestPole will they still wick efficiently with the reduced distance between the chimney and glass? Ive ordered some but they're still on the way. I decided that if it it hurts it, I'll probably take a dremel to rings to help out.
I should be receiving my quartz tanks in the next few days. taking a dremel to the rings or one ring will address bottom filling but won't address the closeness of the chimney to the actual glass. it's already tight in there making it even tighter with the glass installed. I have switched my juice from 100%VG to 50/50 hoping when my quartz tanks come in, the new ratio will be better for wicking. but since I don't have it yet there is no telling what the results will be. i might just say screw it and use the orchids as is and tank cracking juice will go in my kayfun's.
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I would I just enjoy the orchid so much for lung hits, and I just use kayfuns for mouth to lungs. I just figured grinding the rings some would at least help to allow the channels to be a bit more exposed
Yes, it's tight. To my surprise though they wicked normally with low VG juice. I'm not sure about very high VG. Removing material (re your "dremel") was my backup plan too.
BTW, I used only the full size, not nano size, because nono capacity seemed too low for Orchid. The nano rings came in handy making my custom long tanks, like the one in post #30.
I top fill the Kayfun Quartz tanks to avoid hassles with the fill port.
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Because of the depth of the o-ring gland, here is not much material there to bore out the Kayfun Quartz rings, though you can definitely chamfer the ID, which will help. Grinding a few flats on the OD of the Orchid chamber also works. That was my solution for the Kayfun Mini, which had a ridiculously narrow gap between chamber and tank.
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@TheWestPole Yes, seen those, but I like durability. I don't care about seeing my juice level, using the Estia I realised I could tell spot on when the tank was nearing emptiness. I mean, we can tell with drippers.
I like SS, specially brushed ss. I'd cover my walls with brushed ss if I could.
And you can find a lot of spares for Kayfun style atties. Oddly, no one made a simple single piece ss tank, which would be the easiest to manufacture part ever. Even a bulged "fatty" version would be nice, like Gus' to keep it short and still enjoy a decent all day long juice capacity.
I like SS, specially brushed ss. I'd cover my walls with brushed ss if I could.
And you can find a lot of spares for Kayfun style atties. Oddly, no one made a simple single piece ss tank, which would be the easiest to manufacture part ever. Even a bulged "fatty" version would be nice, like Gus' to keep it short and still enjoy a decent all day long juice capacity.
I personally don't mind the reduced capacity of the V3. I mean really I was a dripper right before this and I would have to drip every 5 hits. so fill once and vape for 15 min is great for me. and I get no leaking or wicking issues. I have a V4 coming in and that will be more than enough for me. single brused SS tank would be nice though. the only thing I don't like is letting the cotton get too dry because if I dry burn it too many times that means I have to take it apart to rewick. I only like re wicking when I change flavors.
I assumed you probably knew everything in that post, but thought it might be good for others, rhetorical though the exercise might be.
I've sourced stainless tube for making custom tanks using the Kayfun Quartz tank rings. (Not as rugged as one-piece, but I don't have a lathe to cut the treads.) I just never did one because I never really wanted one.
Which is not to say that I am not a fan of stainless aesthetically. Love it, the depth of the color and the full range of appealing textures, from brushed to sand blasted to polished. I have had to confess recently to myself and others, because of construction work on our house, that I'm pretty much a stainless steel fetishist. Since starting vaping, the new experience of having it in my hand all day has brought a fresh sense of ss-satisfaction. Might have to add material fetish to the list: Why We Vape.
TMI?
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Orchid insulator dimensions.
Top insulator: 6mm OD* x 4mm ID x 2.5mm L.
Bottom insulator: 5.5mm OD x 4mm ID x 5.5mm L.
*All dimensions are nominal. The top insulator's OD is a .2mm dia. interference press fit. All other diameters are slip fit. Substituting a 6mm slip fit top insulator would work fine IMO, because it is the tightness of the 510 screw that holds the center posts into position.
Top insulator: 6mm OD* x 4mm ID x 2.5mm L.
Bottom insulator: 5.5mm OD x 4mm ID x 5.5mm L.
*All dimensions are nominal. The top insulator's OD is a .2mm dia. interference press fit. All other diameters are slip fit. Substituting a 6mm slip fit top insulator would work fine IMO, because it is the tightness of the 510 screw that holds the center posts into position.
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so this will work. I'm going to buy a pack.
so this will work. I'm going to buy a pack.
For the top, yes, if you drill out the ID.
For the bottom, yes, if you drill out the ID and reduce the OD.
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I assume I just need the top because that's what melted. but reducing the OD won't be that hard with a screw and hand drill and sand paper.
Sure. And afterward you will have a MUCH better insulator with the Delrin in place of the Nylon.
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I assumed you probably knew everything in that post, but thought it might be good for others, rhetorical though the exercise might be.
Fucking ego centered frenchmen... : )-
Nah, we should start a /r/ssporn
Count me in. Unfortunately right now my mind is a blank...
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**Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 RBA** Rebuildable Atomizer RTA **PRE-ORDER**
US $19.95 w/free shipping
ebay.com/itm/331304833651
ebay.com/itm/331304833651
New Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 Features:
Larger clear PMMA tank, fits a true 5 ml of juice!
Upgraded phillips head screws, no need for an allen wrench anymore!
Upgraded silicone o-rings, lasts much longer, more durable!
Silver-plated 510 connection, for unmatched conductivity!
Wide-bore Vox Edition drip tip!
New Vox Edition Orchid v2 Features:
Fill port on bottom, much easier filling and more liquid can be held
Deeper vertical juice channels, greatly improved juice flow
Vox Phoenix logo on chimney
Standard Features:
22mm diameter
High-quality stainless steel construction
Large build deck, made for dual coils
Four juice channels, for efficient wicking, even for sub ohm builds
Two giant airholes, best airflow of any RBA
Package Contents:
1 x Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 RBA
1 x Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 Gift Box
US $19.95 w/free shipping
ebay.com/itm/331304833651
ebay.com/itm/331304833651
New Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 Features:
Larger clear PMMA tank, fits a true 5 ml of juice!
Upgraded phillips head screws, no need for an allen wrench anymore!
Upgraded silicone o-rings, lasts much longer, more durable!
Silver-plated 510 connection, for unmatched conductivity!
Wide-bore Vox Edition drip tip!
New Vox Edition Orchid v2 Features:
Fill port on bottom, much easier filling and more liquid can be held
Deeper vertical juice channels, greatly improved juice flow
Vox Phoenix logo on chimney
Standard Features:
22mm diameter
High-quality stainless steel construction
Large build deck, made for dual coils
Four juice channels, for efficient wicking, even for sub ohm builds
Two giant airholes, best airflow of any RBA
Package Contents:
1 x Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 RBA
1 x Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 Gift Box
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Only if this were pyrex**Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 RBA** Rebuildable Atomizer RTA **PRE-ORDER**
US $19.95 w/free shipping
ebay.com/itm/331304833651
ebay.com/itm/331304833651
New Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 Features:
Larger clear PMMA tank, fits a true 5 ml of juice!
Upgraded phillips head screws, no need for an allen wrench anymore!
Upgraded silicone o-rings, lasts much longer, more durable!
Silver-plated 510 connection, for unmatched conductivity!
Wide-bore Vox Edition drip tip!
New Vox Edition Orchid v2 Features:
Fill port on bottom, much easier filling and more liquid can be held
Deeper vertical juice channels, greatly improved juice flow
Vox Phoenix logo on chimney
Standard Features:
22mm diameter
High-quality stainless steel construction
Large build deck, made for dual coils
Four juice channels, for efficient wicking, even for sub ohm builds
Two giant airholes, best airflow of any RBA
Package Contents:
1 x Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 RBA
1 x Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 Gift Box
**Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 RBA** Rebuildable Atomizer RTA **PRE-ORDER**
US $19.95 w/free shipping
ebay.com/itm/331304833651
ebay.com/itm/331304833651
New Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 Features:
Larger clear PMMA tank, fits a true 5 ml of juice!
Upgraded phillips head screws, no need for an allen wrench anymore!
Upgraded silicone o-rings, lasts much longer, more durable!
Silver-plated 510 connection, for unmatched conductivity!
Wide-bore Vox Edition drip tip!
New Vox Edition Orchid v2 Features:
Fill port on bottom, much easier filling and more liquid can be held
Deeper vertical juice channels, greatly improved juice flow
Vox Phoenix logo on chimney
Standard Features:
22mm diameter
High-quality stainless steel construction
Large build deck, made for dual coils
Four juice channels, for efficient wicking, even for sub ohm builds
Two giant airholes, best airflow of any RBA
Package Contents:
1 x Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 RBA
1 x Vox Edition Orchid v2.5 Gift Box
Except for the bogus capacity claim, a pretty honest slightly restyled V2 with a drip tip included, phillips head post screws, a Kayfun nano tank, matching drip tip and chamber logos in a gift box. Not bad. Maybe appealing as a gift?
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Unless the cap is milled...
I ordered one, so we'll see..
I ordered one, so we'll see..