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Who's brilliant idea was it to bring a 2 1/2 month old thread back to life with the word "jeez" then "ha" then "thanks Smokie"? :p
Someone is doing some subtle spamming via his signature. ;)
 

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This is an older thread, however I saw on the news the other day that a woman that owns a dog training company has lawsuits out against people that gave her negative reviews online and it damaged her business, just going to place this here and see where it goes lol.
 

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This is an older thread, however I saw on the news the other day that a woman that owns a dog training company has lawsuits out against people that gave her negative reviews online and it damaged her business, just going to place this here and see where it goes lol.
Given that the owners of the shop are the ones who put the pictures up on their facebook page, not really considering the ramifications, and employees have participated in this thread to give updates on how they are changing their business practices to resolve the issues identified from the pictures, I doubt it is going to go anywhere at all... Except to probably get said employees irritated with you for bringing the topic back up again for no reason that is easily discernible...
 

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It was already brought back to life by someone else months down the road, and they can get irritated with me if they like, I didn't say anything wrong, I'm talking about the person who posted it here, not the business' facebook page. In fact, I didn't post it to piss them off, I posted it to show that times are changing and a business can put out a lawsuit for infringement, if they see it fit. I wouldn't have said anything at all had it not been brought back to life by someone else.
 

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Who's brilliant idea was it to bring a 2 1/2 month old thread back to life with the word "jeez" then "ha" then "thanks Smokie"? :p
A guerrilla marketer..
 
I received these pics of supposedly the Texas Rebel Juice Lab where they make their e-Juice for retail sales.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/RebelJuice/

http://texasrebeljuice.com/

So what do you all think? Is this a eJuice Clean Room, does it look sanitary, should they be drinking in their or have no shirt on?


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Hello, I am wonder how can I go about opening my own lab. I would like it to be highly professional. What is the ballpark of a price? Thanks for your time. Please get back to me at Removed private e-mail info Thanks
 
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I just tired to purchase some juice from them, at current time, not going well. Give me another week or so for a bank to do research on something, then I'll post my experiences.

Until then cheers.
 

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I just tired to purchase some juice from them, at current time, not going well. Give me another week or so for a bank to do research on something, then I'll post my experiences.

Until then cheers.
Have you contacted an owner or employee of the company about your problem? I am available via PM if you have any questions or issues .... I will need an order number to look up your account however.
 

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Have you contacted an owner or employee of the company about your problem? I am available via PM if you have any questions or issues .... I will need an order number to look up your account however.
You are a sales associate for this vendor?
 

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Well I guess one could call impurities contaminates as well but yes I see what you are saying things like the nasty stuff that causes food poisoning or worse.

Though I do think we are protected some though pg's anti bacterial properties. Yes this business made a big error in judgement with this. I still wonder how many juice makers have perfect set ups though.

One of the main ingredients in Rambach agar is PG. Salmonella, a bacteria, has no problem growing in it...
It isn't a matter of perfect setups. This is in no way a professional setup and should be shut down by the health department...
 

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oh i dont go anywhere near juice thats not my department

I really didn't know this thread was still alive.
In fact I had forgot it was even here.
If you are the same @synaptik that I saw on vapers.tv then you seem like a straight up guy and you were very believable.


Now I will list what your company did compared to the vendor with the REAL dirty lab

You: Told the truth

Dr. Crimmy: Lie, lie, lie lie, and lie again.


You: Seemed like a straight up guy that was easy likable that appeared very honest.

The other guy: 3 unlikeable Dudes contradicting themselves, appeared to be lying.


You: Had a reasonable explanation of the pictures that weren't that bad,

The other guy: had no explanation (except lie) of the pictures that were horrible.


You: were just beginning to become established as a business at the time the pics were taken (Mom & Pop eliquid vendor)

the other guy: was already very big and was mass producing for wholesale when the pics were taken (Wholesale eliquid vendor like Cuttwood)


You: Said - "If you don't like it Fuck you" - A very reasonable response

The other guy: Found someone to sue - Unreasonable response



Other vendors:

See @synaptik for the Right way to handle a bad situation

See "the other guy" for the way to become hated and untrusted.

Any questions?:D
 
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You know whats in my mind someone mixing juice without proper cloths on and beaded up sweat dripping in the eliquid, that's my consumer view.

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Have you contacted an owner or employee of the company about your problem? I am available via PM if you have any questions or issues .... I will need an order number to look up your account however.

Once I have all the information I need, I'll post it. Thanks for your offer of help, but I have been in contact with people that I thought ran the company, to no a vail in fixing my problem.
 

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I was completly shocked by the total lack of a reloading bench or bullet press! Rebel Juice indeed!

But honestly, if those pics were taken while in non production, and during production the lab is up to standards, I wouldn't be bothered. Why not post pics of what the place looked like before they installed the lab, and get all freaked out about that? I couldn't care less what it looks like BEFORE they are in production. If that was what it looked like at the 10:00 AM coffee break, that is another story. They get my benefit of doubt. Looks a bit like a smear job. Does Rebel Juice ship to Canada?
 
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Slobs are slobs. No chance they clean up to make e-liquid, then revert to being slobs when done...They should be reported to the local health department...
 

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Slobs are slobs. No chance they clean up to make e-liquid, then revert to being slobs when done...They should be reported to the local health department...

I guess you havn't met my friend the opthalamic surgeon after he's been off roading for the weekend.
 

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I guess you havn't met my friend the opthalamic surgeon after he's been off roading for the weekend.
His operating room is as filthy as a truck stop restroom on weekends? Looking at the slobs in the pics, that's probably their version of cleaned up...
I know most vapers on forums would buy e-liquid mixed in urinals if the price were right and it contained enough Diacetyl to be creamy, however...
 

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His operating room is as filthy as a truck stop restroom on weekends? Looking at the slobs in the pics, that's probably their version of cleaned up...
I know most vapers on forums would buy e-liquid mixed in urinals if the price were right and it contained enough Diacetyl to be creamy, however...


Apparently the core concept here is eluding you. Things can be cleaned. To assume that those pics are taken during production operations with no info supporting that , and information disputing that, you have a very evident bias

I know most vapers on forums would buy e-liquid mixed in urinals if the price were right and it contained enough Diacetyl to be creamy, however...

You know this do you? I suspect you do not. It may or may not be your opinion, an opinion I think most vapers would dispute.

As I stated above, I will give this company benefit of doubt concerning all the circuimstances. Your "knowlege" and opinions, not so much.
 

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Apparently the core concept here is eluding you. Things can be cleaned. To assume that those pics are taken during production operations with no info supporting that , and information disputing that, you have a very evident bias

I know most vapers on forums would buy e-liquid mixed in urinals if the price were right and it contained enough Diacetyl to be creamy, however...

You know this do you? I suspect you do not. It may or may not be your opinion, an opinion I think most vapers would dispute.

As I stated above, I will give this company benefit of doubt concerning all the circuimstances. Your "knowlege" and opinions, not so much.

Candid pics speak for themselves. My house and flat aren't pigsties, then cleaned up for guests. Being slobs is probably normal for these guys...
From what I have seen, many vapers only care about price and taste and are willing to overlook sanitary conditions, especially given so many are against testing and basic regulations...
There was actually another candid expose, showing e-liquid was being mixed next to a toilet. Some vapers defended the company...
 

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One of the main ingredients in Rambach agar is PG. Salmonella, a bacteria, has no problem growing in it...
It isn't a matter of perfect setups. This is in no way a professional setup and should be shut down by the health department...
Since food borne was not the focus when I was in the lab, and dusting off 20+ years since I was in said lab.
Aren't these plates for testing of Salmonella and their serotypes?
 

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Candid pics speak for themselves. My house and flat aren't pigsties, then cleaned up for guests. Being slobs is probably normal for these guys...

And you make this statement from personal knowlege?


From what I have seen, many vapers only care about price and taste and are willing to overlook sanitary conditions, especially given so many are against testing and basic regulations...

Which is why virtually all commercial juice makers large and small conform voluntairly to minimum standards and provide certificates of analysis? Or would you have all us idiots believe that we have you and you alone to thank for the improvement in the Eliquid industry because of all the hard work you have done to improve the Ecig industry and help stave off its many opponents?

Not sure if you are just a bottom drawer troll aspiring to a higher post count, or a non vaper employed by a Pharma or tobbacco company. What is clear is an unreasonable level of bias in your posts, and an undeserved amount of contempt for the other users of this forum. Why are you here? Passive aggression? Does your therapist believe this is an important step toward socialization?
 
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And you make this statement from personal knowlege?




Which is why virtually all commercial juice makers large and small conform voluntairly to minimum standards and provide certificates of analysis? Or would you have all us idiots believe that we have you and you alone to thank for the improvement in the Eliquid industry because of all the hard work you have done to improve the Ecig industry and help stave off its many opponents?

Not sure if you are just a bottom drawer troll aspiring to a higher post count, or a non vaper employed by a Pharma or tobbacco company. What is clear is an unreasonable level of bias in your posts, and an undeserved amount of contempt for the other users of this forum. Why are you here? Passive aggression? Does your therapist believe this is an important step toward socialization?

I have worked with slobs...
I base my opinion by posts made by those on vaping forums, who defend unsanitary conditions, decry any regulation, say testing is not needed and Diacetyl harmless...
Perhaps you work for the company in question, so defend their 'lab' conditions. You seem quite upset one would object to filthy conditions and e-liquid made by obvious slobs..
Companies like them and the other, which were the subject of candid pics, are a reason why regulation is needed.
 

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You seem quite upset one would object to filthy conditions and e-liquid made by obvious slobs..

I am not employed in the Ecig industry. The pics in THIS thread depict no such thing. Where in the pics do you see juice being produced? If those pics were bona fide pics of the lab in operation, I would supply the matches and gas to burn it down. Considering the pics came from the company's own site, and the company at the time mentioned that the facility was not in production, it is irresponsible at best to go full Chicken Little squaking that the sky is falling.

pics, are a reason why regulation is needed.

Actually regulation has been implemented in part to to people like the good members of this forum , of who you think so little, and foreward thinking members of the industry.
 

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If you are talking about production, in the pictures, looks like some type of final product in this one.
 

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This isn't 5 Pawns, could be Brandy or other spirits. Does not look like part of the lab to me. The posted pics appear to me more consistant with a lab getting set up, almost ready to produce, but I see no clear sign of any actual production.
 

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If you are talking about production, in the pictures, looks like some type of final product in this one.
This isn't 5 Pawns, could be Brandy or other spirits. Does not look like part of the lab to me. The posted pics appear to me more consistant with a lab getting set up, almost ready to produce, but I see no clear sign of any actual production.

Are you sure that isn't a picture related to a mixologist in Alabama? And that does appear to be part of the production FYI. Who wants to hold a barrel for an hour, just to get the last few drops out of it? Somebody is doing a juice capture from a barrel aged line. Cream Brulee anyone? $35 for 30ml

Aging in used whiskey barrels seems to make the juice extra special, and extra expensive. ;)
 

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I cannot say what is in the barrel. What I don't see that I would expect to see in a working lab, is any glassware, I see no botteling gear, bottles, I see no operating mixers, heaters or lable machines or trays on the counter. The pic of the barrell obvoiusly was not taken at the same time as the others, and is in fact not visible in the other photos. If theses pics are supposed to be of a lab in production, why is there no production occuring?

If this is what the lab looks like during production, they deserve to no longer participate in the Ecig industry. These pics were put on the company's webpage, with the depiction of them being a social event subsequent to the completion of the lab, but priour to production. They were NOT taken while producing eliquid. Were they testing the equipment? Checking processes? I don't know. I personally find it easier to believe that these pics portray what the company says they do, than believe that a company would invest the time energy and expense to create a facility that meets standards, and then take pics and put the pics on their own webpage showing a total lack of any best practices.

I just finished a side project of opening a retail store (in no way vape related) with several other people. The space we leased used to be a dry cleaning facility, that had stood empty for over 2 years, with all the drycleaning equipment, high pressure steam lines chemicals, electrical wireing that was not to code etc. We had all the chemicals removed and certified. The flooring was removed , a sub floor was installed and new ceramic tileing. The electrical was completly redone to code, and all outlets, switches were replaced, and new ones added. The cieling was replaced, everything was painted, emergency lighting was installed, we passed the fire and other inspections with "No deficiencies found". In fact, we exceeded all requirements and standards.

Had you seen the pics of the little party we had there 5 days before opening, they would have made the ones above look good. Many of the tradesmen who attended our little soirre had come from work, and were not wearing dinner jackets, ot tuxes.

Believe me there were no bottles on the display cases, no spills on the floor, no pizza boxes,and no staff consuming alchohol on opening day, or since. A staff member wanted to post some of the pics she took on the webpage. I asked her not to as it is difficult to seperate the context. I want customers to picture the establishment the way it looks now. Spotless. In a way, its rather sad that we didn't, but I can see now that there are people who don't understand the differences between in progress, and open and operating.
 

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I cannot say what is in the barrel. What I don't see that I would expect to see in a working lab, is any glassware, I see no botteling gear, bottles, I see no operating mixers, heaters or lable machines or trays on the counter. The pic of the barrell obvoiusly was not taken at the same time as the others, and is in fact not visible in the other photos. If theses pics are supposed to be of a lab in production, why is there no production occuring?

If this is what the lab looks like during production, they deserve to no longer participate in the Ecig industry. These pics were put on the company's webpage, with the depiction of them being a social event subsequent to the completion of the lab, but priour to production. They were NOT taken while producing eliquid. Were they testing the equipment? Checking processes? I don't know. I personally find it easier to believe that these pics portray what the company says they do, than believe that a company would invest the time energy and expense to create a facility that meets standards, and then take pics and put the pics on their own webpage showing a total lack of any best practices.

I just finished a side project of opening a retail store (in no way vape related) with several other people. The space we leased used to be a dry cleaning facility, that had stood empty for over 2 years, with all the drycleaning equipment, high pressure steam lines chemicals, electrical wireing that was not to code etc. We had all the chemicals removed and certified. The flooring was removed , a sub floor was installed and new ceramic tileing. The electrical was completly redone to code, and all outlets, switches were replaced, and new ones added. The cieling was replaced, everything was painted, emergency lighting was installed, we passed the fire and other inspections with "No deficiencies found". In fact, we exceeded all requirements and standards.

Had you seen the pics of the little party we had there 5 days before opening, they would have made the ones above look good. Many of the tradesmen who attended our little soirre had come from work, and were not wearing dinner jackets, ot tuxes.

Believe me there were no bottles on the display cases, no spills on the floor, no pizza boxes,and no staff consuming alchohol on opening day, or since. A staff member wanted to post some of the pics she took on the webpage. I asked her not to as it is difficult to seperate the context. I want customers to picture the establishment the way it looks now. Spotless. In a way, its rather sad that we didn't, but I can see now that there are people who don't understand the differences between in progress, and open and operating.

Hindsight is always 20/20. And the public rarely forgets or forgives when reminded. I know a company that owns (and used to race nationally) a pro rail dragster, that hasn't been seen by the public since a drunk driver ran into one of their employees, parked in a company ride. Killing the 6 passengers (also drunk) with him. The driver survived, the company was sued, and lost. That dragster remains parked, years later. Public perception is everything.

The public and the courts rarely care about what the truth is.
 

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WTF, is right. I'll never do business with this company again
 

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Reading this thread reminds me of when the Health Department gives a restaurant a bad rating. No matter what the owner does the reputation is ruined and no matter what they do they can never restore the public's opinion. Do one thing wrong and everyone knows about it do one thing right and maybe one person while find out. With today's world and social media and the Internet where once it is posted it is there forever the damage is done and can never be repaired.

Good Luck to you and your future endeavors but this is one of the reasons I got into DIY. :ejuice::ejuice::ejuice::ejuice::ejuice::ejuice::ejuice::ejuice::ejuice::ejuice:
 

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