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The Fat Boy is the only 46mm Alliance. I have one coming in Silver.
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LMFAO Ray....can't wait to see the builds you come up with for that baby......:D:D:D
 

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Ray what does that extension do? I googled it but can't find a decent explanation.
 

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Ray what does that extension do? I googled it but can't find a decent explanation.
What extension?

Ray....I have yet to try a clapton coil of any kind. I bought some various sized clapton wire from VapeNW...was wondering if you heard anything about the wire....good-bad-terrible?

Hasn't arrived yet, but I'm anxious to try it.

Here is a link http://vapenw.com/coaxial-kanthal
Buying premade wire online...It usually is made in China and made from the cheap\est wire they can source. Im pretty against it as you never know where the wire was made, how its been stored and its QC...It could have been stored with lead wire or have lead smelted within the wire...This is why I buy wire thats a bit more quality for my own projects. K.Bee, Lightning Vapes, Kidney Puncher and certain other brands are the only wire Ill use. You get what you pay for, atleast thats my opinion....
That wire is made buy UD and so far I havent heard many complaints so you may not have any issues and it may work out for you...let me know how it goes and your experience with it please.
 

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What extension?


Buying premade wire online...It usually is made in China and made from the cheap\est wire they can source. Im pretty against it as you never know where the wire was made, how its been stored and its QC...It could have been stored with lead wire or have lead smelted within the wire...This is why I buy wire thats a bit more quality for my own projects. K.Bee, Lightning Vapes, Kidney Puncher and certain other brands are the only wire Ill use. You get what you pay for, atleast thats my opinion....
That wire is made buy UD and so far I havent heard many complaints so you may not have any issues and it may work out for you...let me know how it goes and your experience with it please.
Thanks Ray...I'll dry burn the hell out of it and wash to make sure there is no oil residue. For the price I figured it's worth a shot.
 

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In this picture. Sorry I didn't know it was old school. Just thought the basket weave was cool.
The Bar, thats what you meant by the extension? Its a lower guage wire...probably 16g or 18g Kanthal/Nichrome. It allow the user to have more mounting options, its basically a Negative post now. Not alot of people do this becuase usually it doesnt fit under a Cap and its more for pictures then anything else.

Thanks Ray...I'll dry burn the hell out of it and wash to make sure there is no oil residue. For the price I figured it's worth a shot.
Good idea, dont forget to report on how the wire itself is!
 

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The Bar, thats what you meant by the extension? Its a lower guage wire...probably 16g or 18g Kanthal/Nichrome. It allow the user to have more mounting options, its basically a Negative post now. Not alot of people do this becuase usually it doesnt fit under a Cap and its more for pictures then anything else.


Good idea, dont forget to report on how the wire itself is!
Will do...and thanks for all the great pictures to give me ideas...!
 

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The only idea I got was to ask you to build some coils for me......:D:D:D

Amazing pictures, amazing coil porn....!
Thanks for the appreciation! Don't worry you'll receive some that will be worth taking some photos of ;)
 

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Dude you are awesome! I'm just getting my feet wet with these more complex wire designs. Gotta go to Walmart and buy some swivels, and of course wait for fasttech to send me something with a velocity deck.
 

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Dude you are awesome! I'm just getting my feet wet with these more complex wire designs. Gotta go to Walmart and buy some swivels, and of course wait for fasttech to send me something with a velocity deck.
Make sure if buying swivels to get them in the 300lbs Rated or more range...they tend to bind up if you dont get atleast 200lbs rated
 

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I finally tried the Aliens again and this time it came out half decent...Out of a 16" wire I only messed up 3 wraps, from moving a paperclip and accidentally bumping the paperclip with the wrap...
Here are the fruits of my labor...I will be trying 40g Alien wrap next...
3 x 36N80/36N80 Aliens (6 Wraps/3mm ID)

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Ray....I have yet to try a clapton coil of any kind. I bought some various sized clapton wire from VapeNW...was wondering if you heard anything about the wire....good-bad-terrible?

Hasn't arrived yet, but I'm anxious to try it.

Here is a link http://vapenw.com/coaxial-kanthal

Ive got a bunch of UD premade wire, its decent stuff. I use it often (I have their wire box with the 6 rolls in it and a couple high gauge rolls) and its not bad at all. Another good brand of premade wire is Lightning Vapes (and Im pretty sure its made in the US too). They have all different size of ribbon and kanthal and nickel wires, plus clapton and fused clapton premade (I love their fused clapton, great shit), and since theyre based in the US, theres no waiting for China Post shipping. I always get my LV packages well within a week.
 

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Amazing beautiful builds!! Anyway I have a question for Raymo and/or anyone else who could answer. I am wanting to make my first truly "advanced" build. I don't know what to call it, but here is the idea... I want to take either 4,5,or 6 strand of flat kanthal a1 0.5mm, stack them together, frame them in with single core 26x32 Clapton's on both sides. Then "staple" them together with 34g ka1. Would the resistance be high enough for a dual coil build, keeping it above 0.10 ohms?
 

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Amazing beautiful builds!! Anyway I have a question for Raymo and/or anyone else who could answer. I am wanting to make my first truly "advanced" build. I don't know what to call it, but here is the idea... I want to take either 4,5,or 6 strand of flat kanthal a1 0.5mm, stack them together, frame them in with single core 26x32 Clapton's on both sides. Then "staple" them together with 34g ka1. Would the resistance be high enough for a dual coil build, keeping it above 0.10 ohms?
That would be a Staggered Framed Staple, or a Staggered Frapple. It would be around .13-.14 for single coil with a 3mm ID and a .07-.08 in Dual Coil using all KA1 and with 4-6 Pieces of .5 Ribbon. Make sure your outerwrap is tight, if its not it will give the Ribbon room to fold and warp! Thanks for visiting and the appreciation!
I did something similar...but used alot more Ribbon and Nichrome80
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Ive got a bunch of UD premade wire, its decent stuff. I use it often (I have their wire box with the 6 rolls in it and a couple high gauge rolls) and its not bad at all. Another good brand of premade wire is Lightning Vapes (and Im pretty sure its made in the US too). They have all different size of ribbon and kanthal and nickel wires, plus clapton and fused clapton premade (I love their fused clapton, great shit), and since theyre based in the US, theres no waiting for China Post shipping. I always get my LV packages well within a week.
Thanks for the info M...:)
 

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That would be a Staggered Framed Staple, or a Staggered Frapple. It would be around .13-.14 for single coil with a 3mm ID and a .07-.08 in Dual Coil using all KA1 and with 4-6 Pieces of .5 Ribbon. Make sure your outerwrap is tight, if its not it will give the Ribbon room to fold and warp! Thanks for visiting and the appreciation!
I did something similar...but used alot more Ribbon and Nichrome80
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Incredible magic there my friend.....!
 

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How would the ramp up be? Fast or slow? And obviously I would use at least 6 strands then, to keep the resistance up a little bit. IIRC, I think the minimum resistance floor on the RX is either 0.10 or 0.08 (not 100% sure). And I would have to go wot the max amount of wraps that would fit on the VCMT. I'm thinking 4, but hoping for at least 5 each side...
 

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Only if you overdrip or have your wicks too close to the airholes.
How would the ramp up be? Fast or slow? And obviously I would use at least 6 strands then, to keep the resistance up a little bit. IIRC, I think the minimum resistance floor on the RX is either 0.10 or 0.08 (not 100% sure). And I would have to go wot the max amount of wraps that would fit on the VCMT. I'm thinking 4, but hoping for at least 5 each side...
Depending on what device your using it shouldnt have much of a ramp up time. Ribbon wire heats almost instantaneously. Im not sure if the RX200 will be able to fire the load of the dual coil...I only own Regulated devices that can fire down to .05 or lower as I cant stand not being able to use something due to its limitation capabilities.
 

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Thank man...I'm going to order a Tsunami....:cry:...I need another dripper like a hole in the head.
 

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Appreciate the advice Raymo. I looked it up, minimum resistance on the RX is .10. In power mode. I'm going to give it a go anyway, we'll see what happens. U used 4 strips of ribbon between my Clapton's. I couldn't for the life of me get them to lay flat all together when starting to wrap the staple. So I twisted the ribbons together loosely. I then started wrapping the staple wrap by hand, then the Carpal Tunnel Syndrome kicked in. My fingers got numb. I'll finish it later and let you know. I appreciate all the advice...
 

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Appreciate the advice Raymo. I looked it up, minimum resistance on the RX is .10. In power mode. I'm going to give it a go anyway, we'll see what happens. U used 4 strips of ribbon between my Clapton's. I couldn't for the life of me get them to lay flat all together when starting to wrap the staple. So I twisted the ribbons together loosely. I then started wrapping the staple wrap by hand, then the Carpal Tunnel Syndrome kicked in. My fingers got numb. I'll finish it later and let you know. I appreciate all the advice...
When you want the Ribbon stacked drool a nice gob of saliva on them and run it up the entire length of Ribbon wires and keep doing it untiul they all lay stacked...it works better then almost anything else.
Use some really thin wire like 38g and wrap the whole length with large spaced wraps, this will make it all easy to wrap when on the drill and will keep it altogether when they should be flying everywhere from G forces..undo that securing wire bit by bit as you go until its all covered...hope this helps!

I know your pain with Carpel Tunnel....I have Tendinitis in my thumb and wrists and making these coils creates alot of pain...but I love doing it.
 

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Ray, before bed last night I couldn't take the coils I had in the Boreas any longer. I opened the box from VapeNW, got the coil master out, wrapped a couple of sets of coils. The first set I couldn't get to fire evenly, so I tossed them. The second set worked perfectly. I'm stunned at the difference in flavor and overall much better vape from the clapton coils...stunned actually.

When I first installed the coils I hit the fire button gently a few times to see if the wire was loaded with machine oil....I didn't get as much as a puff of smoke off the coils. After heating them to a full glow, I washed the coils, blew them dry with canned air, wicked with KGD cotton, man I'm in heaven. It's a completely different vape experience.

I can't wait to get the coils you sent, can only imagine the difference in quality compared to the pre-fab clapton wire. Although I'm certainly not complaining about the wire quality, its actually amazing, especially for someone who hasn't ventured past twisted wire in the past.

Thanks again for all the information and help you provide to members here at VU....!
 

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Ray, before bed last night I couldn't take the coils I had in the Boreas any longer. I opened the box from VapeNW, got the coil master out, wrapped a couple of sets of coils. The first set I couldn't get to fire evenly, so I tossed them. The second set worked perfectly. I'm stunned at the difference in flavor and overall much better vape from the clapton coils...stunned actually.

When I first installed the coils I hit the fire button gently a few times to see if the wire was loaded with machine oil....I didn't get as much as a puff of smoke off the coils. After heating them to a full glow, I washed the coils, blew them dry with canned air, wicked with KGD cotton, man I'm in heaven. It's a completely different vape experience.

I can't wait to get the coils you sent, can only imagine the difference in quality compared to the pre-fab clapton wire. Although I'm certainly not complaining about the wire quality, its actually amazing, especially for someone who hasn't ventured past twisted wire in the past.

Thanks again for all the information and help you provide to members here at VU....!
Let me know what you think when they arrive to compare them!
 

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Since I made my first pair I havent stopped making them. All sorts of them. Different guages (Core and Outerwrap), Different Wire Types, Flattened, Polished, Flattened and Polished, Alien Framed Staple...

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Smallest Framed Staples Ive Ever Made:
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The Graveyard:

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The "WireYard" (Unmade Coils/Wire Lengths):

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@raymo2u

Hey man, got a question. I have some super shaky hands due to a TBI. Can you think of any tips for fraples? I have seriously spent hours trying to get just the ribbon to line up. Then it's impossible to get the framed wire right. I have tried 40g wrap to hold in place, masking tape, ribbon wire wrapped around, and a little bit of water to make em all stick together.

As always, thanks for any and all help

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@raymo2u

Hey man, got a question. I have some super shaky hands due to a TBI. Can you think of any tips for fraples? I have seriously spent hours trying to get just the ribbon to line up. Then it's impossible to get the framed wire right. I have tried 40g wrap to hold in place, masking tape, ribbon wire wrapped around, and a little bit of water to make em all stick together.

As always, thanks for any and all help

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Use water or some juice to hold them together, then take some wire and bind the ends of it. When you stick them in the chuck get a couple of wraps in then take it out and clip off the one binding. You can do a loose bind in the middle so that you can slide it down as you continue to clapton
 

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Sorry I got excited and didn't get to the end of your post, but if you use something a little thicker than water it will help more.
 

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@raymo2u

Hey man, got a question. I have some super shaky hands due to a TBI. Can you think of any tips for fraples? I have seriously spent hours trying to get just the ribbon to line up. Then it's impossible to get the framed wire right. I have tried 40g wrap to hold in place, masking tape, ribbon wire wrapped around, and a little bit of water to make em all stick together.

As always, thanks for any and all help

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You need to pull it off the spool carefully and clip it so it lays flat, get your peices all cut and dip your fingers in some VG then run it up the Ribbon a few times until they stick together from it....Then line up your frames and use 38g or something as thin and bind it all together, put it in the Drill chuck and when wrapping little by little you will need to push away that binding 38g wire. This is the easiest method but it is time consuming as your wrapping the whole length by hand with 38g (you can space the wraps or only bind sections of the wire and use less the more confident you get with it. Make sure if your using swivels and wrapping it then keep a good amount of pressure pushing the drill away.
 

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A Big Bitch Today for you Folks!! My "So Horney" RDA came in and Ive been thinking since I paid for it of what to toss in it...Here's what I came up with!
Top to Bottom Specs:
3 x 26N80/38N80 Aliens
5 x .5R/26N80/40N80 Fraples
8 x 32KA1/30N80 Flattened/Polished Aliens
Checks out to .04 Ohms. I tried firing it but it melted my HOG V1 internals.....

I was going to use Alien Framed Staples in the Middle but I wanted to mix it up more then "Alien Everything"...After these pics I took everything but the Flattened/Polished Aliens Out and Have them in a "X" Pattern..I still have yet to vape this setup but it heats quickly and burns bright, so it should be a great setup!

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Building a nice stash of wire to use!

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A Big Bitch Today for you Folks!! My "So Horney" RDA came in and Ive been thinking since I paid for it of what to toss in it...Here's what I came up with!
Top to Bottom Specs:
3 x 26N80/38N80 Aliens
5 x .5R/26N80/40N80 Fraples
8 x 32KA1/30N80 Flattened/Polished Aliens
Checks out to .04 Ohms. I tried firing it but it melted my HOG V1 internals.....

I was going to use Alien Framed Staples in the Middle but I wanted to mix it up more then "Alien Everything"...After these pics I took everything but the Flattened/Polished Aliens Out and Have them in a "X" Pattern..I still have yet to vape this setup but it heats quickly and burns bright, so it should be a great setup!

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Building a nice stash of wire to use!

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Would love to see this fire!!!
 

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Would love to see this fire!!!
I did fire it...I melted the internals of my HOG V1 doing it...On the hohm Wrecker G2 it fires but it doesnt get glowing hot as the wattage is reduced to 80w...I may need a Custom Box for builds like this..something with 6-8 18650's...I wanted to get it to atleast color for a nice pic but I couldnt get that far. Right now I took it down for a real vape setup and it looks like this now.

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HOG Internals:
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