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You, sir, are a very developed individual. I also do not own a car; in fact, I own no vehicle at all. I do not own a cell phone, either, nor do I ever watch television. I am about as far as one can get from materialism yet still survive in America. I could be said to be utilitarian as regarding certain objects, but my way of looking at things ignores both form and function; purpose is what really matters to me. If something is created for its form, I admire and appreciate it for its form; likewise, if something is invented for a particular function, I judge its merit on its performance. Form and function are just opposite poles of the same magnet. I only see a magnet. All that really matters to me is what motivation caused it to be. I do realize that things just are (in sort of a tao sense), but intent means everything to me, and supplies me with the criteria with which to evaluate any given thing.
You make a good point. Some things are created to have a function, other things are created just to be. Art for example, is not created with a specific purpose in mind (at least not good art anyway). And by art I mean anything creative like music, painting, poetry, film, etc. The way I view art will always be subject to the interpretation of the viewer. Therefore the function of art is to be interpreted. I don't believe art has one meaning or another, I believe it can be interpreted many different ways. Take a song you like. It might mean one thing to you but it could mean something completely different to someone else. And neither is right or wrong. I view myself as a non-conformist, not because I rebel against society, that is a highly inaccurate definition of non-conformism. To me, being a non-conformist means exercising my right to think, feel, say and do what I choose for myself, separate from everyone else. It doesn't make me better or worse than anyone else, it just means I choose for myself. Everyone else has the right to choose. I am not responsible for their choices, nor are they responsible for mine. And I don't believe in defining and categorizing, especially when it comes to people. I believe that society is a system built to define and categorize in order to define and control. I have rarely seen a situation where defining and categorizing improves the condition of that which is being defined and categorized. When things are made to perform a certain function, I evaluate them based on performing that function, but when things are not created to perform a function, I don't evaluate them at all. They are created just to be so I let them be without worrying about why they need to be. Or at least I try to. Everyone is guilty of some judgment and criticism, we are all human after all.
 

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I definitely fall into the "early" category. Started at the age of 9 due to, for lack of a better term, peer pressure from the dude next-door. He was an early teen. It didn't take very long and I was hooked on the nicotine. Cigarettes tasted like shit but, loved the buzz. Never really had to buy any either. Dad used to keep three opened cartons of packs of Raleigh Lite 100's in his nightstand. "Son, go get me a pack of cigarettes." I go in his room, open the drawer, one pack in my sock for me and one pack for Dad. :rolleyes: The folks didn't realize I smoke until the age of 16. :eek: Yes. I was a sneaky little bastard. :D All said and done, I was a 2PAD smoker (Pall Mall Lites) and smoked for 40 years. As of today, I'm 2 years and 3 months stinky free.

As far as a introvert or extrovert, I reckon I'm both. I'm fine in a social setting or I'm fine by myself in my peace and quiet.

I'm a sub-ohmer, a lung hitter, and I guess a cloud chaser by design of the devices I use. I vape between 40 and 110W depending on if I'm using tanks (at work) or drippers (at home). I'm more of a flavor chaser but the clouds help run the Mrs. out of the living room when she's bothering me. ;) I DIY (20/80, 4 nic) and make my own coils. After all, it's not just a habit. It's a hobby! :D
 
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You make a good point. Some things are created to have a function, other things are created just to be. Art for example, is not created with a specific purpose in mind (at least not good art anyway). And by art I mean anything creative like music, painting, poetry, film, etc. The way I view art will always be subject to the interpretation of the viewer. Therefore the function of art is to be interpreted. I don't believe art has one meaning or another, I believe it can be interpreted many different ways. Take a song you like. It might mean one thing to you but it could mean something completely different to someone else. And neither is right or wrong. I view myself as a non-conformist, not because I rebel against society, that is a highly inaccurate definition of non-conformism. To me, being a non-conformist means exercising my right to think, feel, say and do what I choose for myself, separate from everyone else. It doesn't make me better or worse than anyone else, it just means I choose for myself. Everyone else has the right to choose. I am not responsible for their choices, nor are they responsible for mine. And I don't believe in defining and categorizing, especially when it comes to people. I believe that society is a system built to define and categorize in order to define and control. I have rarely seen a situation where defining and categorizing improves the condition of that which is being defined and categorized. When things are made to perform a certain function, I evaluate them based on performing that function, but when things are not created to perform a function, I don't evaluate them at all. They are created just to be so I let them be without worrying about why they need to be. Or at least I try to. Everyone is guilty of some judgment and criticism, we are all human after all.
Very wise indeed. Remember, though, critical thought is one of the benchmarks of self actualization, and the quest for the eternal "why" can lead one to the ultimate knowledge/truth/enlightenment.
 

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I definitely fall into the "early" category. Started at the age of 9 do too, for lack of a better term, peer pressure from the dude next-door. He was an early teen. It didn't take very long and I was hooked on the nicotine. Cigarettes tasted like shit but, loved the buzz. Never really had to buy any either. Dad used to keep three opened cartons of packs of Raleigh Lite 100's in his nightstand. "Son, go get me a pack of cigarettes." I go in his room, open the drawer, one pack in my sock for me and one pack for Dad. :rolleyes: The folks didn't realize I smoke until the age of 16. :eek: Yes. I was a sneaky little bastard. :D All said and done, I was a 2PAD smoker (Pall Mall Lites) and smoked for 40 years. As of today, I'm 2 years and 3 months stinky free.

As far as a introvert or extrovert, I reckon I'm both. I'm fine in a social setting or I'm fine by myself in my peace and quiet.

I'm a sub-ohmer, a lung hitter, and I guess a cloud chaser by design of the devices I use. I vape between 40 and 110W depending on if I'm using tanks (at work) or drippers (at home). I'm more of a flavor chaser but the clouds help run the Mrs. out of the living room when she's bothering me. ;) I DIY (20/80, 4 nic) and make my own coils. After all, it's not just a habit. It's a hobby! :D
Thank you for sharing that, Red.
 

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Sorry I don't have a longer reason but I hate doing things I truly don't have to do and vaping is one of them, while I love it I hate it like I did smoking. But I love it to keep me off of the smokes if that makes sense:)
 

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Dr Porter I am a professional investigator; and, trained that honesty and being upfront yields the best results.
In that vain, my name is Tony, and yes I am a Licensed Private investigator with ten years experience of working with an international corporate law firm. Nothing exciting but being one with an Inquisitive mind, it lets you know my thought process.

I have noticed that in almost every thread you have started, you are asking things about what made us smoke, when we started, why, and led those questions as associations with our vape habits.
putting your threads together create a scientific survey that can be used by any number of sources.
To that end I ask you, again in the interest of full disclosure to yield for you your best results. What's really going on? What is behind the questions? Who is funding the research and to end?
I ask not to flame you, but rather to know what the information is being used for. Nome of us are breaking any laws, nor do we have anything to hide. We are simply asking for the same in return.
 
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Very wise indeed. Remember, though, critical thought is one of the benchmarks of self actualization, and the quest for the eternal "why" can lead one to the ultimate knowledge/truth/enlightenment.
Who decided what self-actualization actually is? And who decided that critical thought is a benchmark of it? It just sounds like someone in a stuffed shirt (not you) trying to tell the rest of us how to be ourselves. I don't live by others definitions, man. Self-actualization to me is when what's on the outside reflects what is on the inside. Critical thought can help or hinder that process. People who think too much are wasting time trying to figure out the process when all they need to do is just be.
 

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HERE WE GO!!!


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No malice, I just noticed the trend and I know that im not the only one wondering, I've already answered as a gesture of trust. I just think that if we are asked to show what we think and open up, that we deserve the same.
 

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How do you manage to eat, support yourself?
I am physically disabled, but am perpetually turned down for the disability I paid into by a corrupt federal judge, but she will soon be disbarred, so who knows? I do receive some food stamps, but the same judge keeps trying to interfere with that, too (it's not just me,either. She has been doing these things to everyone she can since she was appointed). My wife is also disabled, and has also been turned down for disability, but receives a little over $400 in SSI per month. This is what we live on, yet we eat like royalty and do our own thing in relative comfort.
 

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I am physically disabled, but am perpetually turned down for the disability I paid into by a corrupt federal judge, but she will soon be disbarred, so who knows? I do receive some food stamps, but the same judge keeps trying to interfere with that, too (it's not just me,either. She has been doing these things to everyone she can since she was appointed). My wife is also disabled, and has also been turned down for disability, but receives a little over $400 in SSI per month. This is what we live on, yet we eat like royalty and do our own thing in relative comfort.
What STATE?


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Dr Porter I am a professional investigator trained; and, trained that honesty and being upfront yields the best results.
In that vain, my name is Tony, and yes I am a Licensed Private investigator with ten years experience of working with an international corporate law firm. Nothing exciting but being one with an Inquisitive mind, it lets you know my thought process.

I have noticed that in almost every thread you have started, you are asking things about what made us smoke, when we started, why, and led those questions as associations with our vape habits.
putting your threads together create a scientific survey that can be used by any number of sources.
To that end I ask you, again in the interest of full disclosure to yield for you your best results. What's really going on? What is behind the questions? Who is funding the research and to end?
I ask not to flame you, but rather to know what the information is being used for. Nome of us are breaking any laws, nor do we have anything to hide. We are simply asking for the same in return.
1) I joined this forum to say and ask certain things in a pseudosocial setting where I will not be judged or physically attacked.
2) The information gleaned from my threads is mostly to satisfy my own curiosity after having had a transcendental experience involving my switch to vaping. I am "soul searching" my own motivations in my entire smoking/vaping experience, and reaching out to kindred spirits through the only way available to someone in my position.
3) As stated earlier, I am involved in an intellectual debate with a couple of anti-vaping psychologists who were formerly involved with the anti-smoking movement. I hope to bury them under a mountain of logic, so to speak.
There is no funding. There is no organization. There is nothing hidden which will not be revealed if asked.There is just me, a very recently illuminated, individuated, and actuated person left wondering what role my habits played in the process.
 

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1) I joined this forum to say and ask certain things in a pseudosocial setting where I will not be judged or physically attacked.
2) The information gleaned from my threads is mostly to satisfy my own curiosity after having had a transcendental experience involving my switch to vaping. I am "soul searching" my own motivations in my entire smoking/vaping experience, and reaching out to kindred spirits through the only way available to someone in my position.
3) As stated earlier, I am involved in an intellectual debate with a couple of anti-vaping psychologists who were formerly involved with the anti-smoking movement. I hope to bury them under a mountain of logic, so to speak.
There is no funding. There is no organization. There is nothing hidden which will not be revealed if asked.There is just me, a very recently illuminated, individuated, and actuated person left wondering what role my habits played in the process.
So, an out of work behavioral scientist, residing in the storage room of an electronics store, whom recently switched from smoking to vaping.
If your financial situation is true, you have my sympathies. As one person with a physical disability to another, you have my sympathies there as well. But clearly, a physical disability is only as limiting as we make it.
Now if you're seeking our motivation to define your own, I can advise you that clearly we all follow w different path to the same destination
 

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No reason to take anything out of sorts, but at least the facts are there for everyone to make there own judgment and all your questions are in one place.
Best of luck doc and uglug
 

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Are you gonna sell this Infos doc? With the pending FDA regulations, this Infos are very useful for them!? Don't you think? I have psychologist in my DNA as well? What U think doc?
I'm not as smart as you are but I think my defensive personality can figure out what's obvious? !


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So, an out of work behavioral scientist, residing in the storage room of an electronics store, whom recently switched from smoking to vaping.
If your financial situation is true, you have my sympathies. As one person with a physical disability to another, you have my sympathies there as well. But clearly, a physical disability is only as limiting as we make it.
Now if you're seeking our motivation to define your own, I can advise you that clearly we all follow w different path to the same destination
Actually, I'm an esoterica/occult expert. I did study a lot of psychology in college, though. My financial position is an open book. My wife and I live on about 2/3 the amount of income as the "poorest family in America" touted by the media, per household member. If you feel sorry for us, then you are the only one suffering, as we are quite happy. I do not define my motivations at all; I decide them. I am genuinely curious about desires and motivations in general, especially regarding something I love so much (vaping/smoking).
 

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I am the exception to the rule. I am 61 years of age and relatively new to vaping compared to most. I am an introvert and generally vear away from relationships and conversation. I function much better in the cyber-world since actual personal relationships are not required. My father smoked and as a child learned to deal with 2nd hand smoke but I hated it. I tried smoking a pipe in my early adulthood but the smell of many pipe tobaccos gave me migraines. At age 39, I met my wife who was 25 at the time. She was a smoker and I was very persistant that she quit for health reasons. I also just could not take the smell of the nasty cigs. She went to a guy here in town that did hypnosis for smoking cessation and has been a non smoker ever since. In August of 2014, my son took his own life in our home after suffering from bi-polar disorder for many years. I was devestated and still go to counseling to help manage my feelings of guilt and depression. After our son died, my wife smoked a few cigs with friends and I could see that she was going back down that road. I read about vaping and thought that it would be a good outlet for her and satisfy her need for the relaxation she found in smoking. We went to the cigarette store and bought pen type electronic cigarettes to get her through this terrible time in our lives. I really found enjoyment and relaxation from the nicotine even though I had never been a smoker. The rest of the the story is in my obsessive tendencies. I started trying to get better vape from better products and got into the sub-ohm thing. This intrigued me in every way both as a method for relaxation and as a hobby of building my own coils in search of the best vapor that included flavor and billowey clouds. I recently got into DIY juice to save money and find the best flavored e-juice. I vape strictly for enjoyment and the relaxation and stress relief. I think that vaping has been a blessing to me and my wife and is helping us through this difficult time.
 

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Actually, I'm an esoterica/occult expert. I did study a lot of psychology in college, though. My financial position is an open book. My wife and I live on about 2/3 the amount of income as the "poorest family in America" touted by the media, per household member. If you feel sorry for us, then you are the only one suffering, as we are quite happy. I do not define my motivations at all; I decide them. I am genuinely curious about desires and motivations in general, especially regarding something I love so much (vaping/smoking).
I'm glad to hear you are happy,
You said that you hold two doctorates, what are they in?
Wait are you the author?
 

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Are you gonna sell this Infos doc? With the pending FDA regulations, this Infos are very useful for them!? Don't you think? I have psychologist in my DNA as well? What U think doc?
I'm not as smart as you are but I think my defensive personality can figure out what's obvious? !


VAPE ON
I'm not selling anything to anyone. I have very little need for money. You are every bit as smart as me, EJ, just less educated, and you can solve that without college! Ihave learned much more in public libraries, online university resources, and forums like this than I ever did in college.
 

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I am the exception to the rule. I am 61 years of age and relatively new to vaping compared to most. I am an introvert and generally vear away from relationships and conversation. I function much better in the cyber-world since actual personal relationships are not required. My father smoked and as a child learned to deal with 2nd hand smoke but I hated it. I tried smoking a pipe in my early adulthood but the smell of many pipe tobaccos gave me migraines. At age 39, I met my wife who was 25 at the time. She was a smoker and I was very persistant that she quit for health reasons. I also just could not take the smell of the nasty cigs. She went to a guy here in town that did hypnosis for smoking cessation and has been a non smoker ever since. In August of 2014, my son took his own life in our home after suffering from bi-polar disorder for many years. I was devestated and still go to counseling to help manage my feelings of guilt and depression. After our son died, my wife smoked a few cigs with friends and I could see that she was going back down that road. I read about vaping and thought that it would be a good outlet for her and satisfy her need for the relaxation she found in smoking. We went to the cigarette store and bought pen type electronic cigarettes to get her through this terrible time in our lives. I really found enjoyment and relaxation from the nicotine even though I had never been a smoker. The rest of the the story is in my obsessive tendencies. I started trying to get better vape from better products and got into the sub-ohm thing. This intrigued me in every way both as a method for relaxation and as a hobby of building my own coils in search of the best vapor that included flavor and billowey clouds. I recently got into DIY juice to save money and find the best flavored e-juice. I vape strictly for enjoyment and the relaxation and stress relief. I think that vaping has been a blessing to me and my wife and is helping us through this difficult time.
Touching story, Pescadore. Man, I wish they had a "love" button in addition to "like".
 

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I'm glad to hear you are happy,
You said that you hold two doctorates, what are they in?
Wait are you the author?
My doctorates are in esoteric sciences and philosophy. I am a little embarrassed to admit that I didn't earn these in a classroom, but rather, like Einstein, I was awarded them for my work. Yes, I am an author, but my books are way too obscure for anyone here to have heard of. They are mostly tiresome, boring translations of and keys to ancient magical texts, not very exciting. The universities, lodges, agencies, and other organizations that used to fund my work never gave me much money, claimed exclusive rights over my findings, and then would throw me a bone in the form of an honorary degree. Actually, I could probably wallpaper my room with all the doctorates I've "earned", and still have plenty left with which to wipe my ass. My real payment was in being exposed to "the wisdom of the ages", the "secrets of the universe", and all that jazz. Was it worth it? Sure. Now I know all kinds of crazy shit! For example: I'm probably the only man alive who can explain every single passage in the Gospel of Thomas correctly, as I memorized the key when I studied it for a lodge in Saudi. My little brother, on the other hand, is a bit more famous. He is Paul C. Porter, the award winning scientist who discovered that asthma is actually a fungal infection (google him). He earned his 2 doctorates the old fashioned way- political ass kissing in grad school! But
seriously, I am most proud of him.
 

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I started using tobacco (dipping) at 13. I liked the burn in my lip and the affects the nicotine had on my brain. It wasn't just the "buzz" but the new way my brain would function. The way I could think about something more deeply.

I started using because I wanted to. It wasn't considered cool, but some guys did use dip that young.

By the time I was 15, I was smoking 1-2 PAD.

I am an introvert.
 

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Who decided what self-actualization actually is? And who decided that critical thought is a benchmark of it?
Those who have experienced it. Their opinion is pretty much unanimous.

It just sounds like someone in a stuffed shirt (not you) trying to tell the rest of us how to be ourselves.
That "stuffed shirt " would be Abraham Maslo, and he merely pointed the way.

Self-actualization to me is when what's on the outside reflects what is on the inside.
Actually, that would be individuation, not actuation. Individuation is a much loftier goal, and harder to achieve, so if that is what you are after, then I am much more impressed with you than if you were after actuation. Any old asshole can eventually actuate, but it takes a spiritual giant of a man to individuate! My hat's off to you, bean. You're looking within like a boss!

Critical thought can help or hinder that process. People who think too much are wasting time trying to figure out the process when all they need to do is just be.
I've never, in all my inner or outer journeys, found critical thought to be a hindrance in any way. Since you have taken the path of individuation, you must understand that critical thought is your main line of defense against an onslaught of psychospiritual dangers out there. "There is no such thing as wasted time." -Jim Henson Much like room for Jello, there is always time for clear, critical thinking. And please, for the love of fuck, bean, drop the "just be" taoist crap. It's good to understand and all, but that shit will melt you away into oneness and collectivism. Stick to the path you're on, man; it's not easy, but it will set you free!
 

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I started using tobacco (dipping) at 13. I liked the burn in my lip and the affects the nicotine had on my brain. It wasn't just the "buzz" but the new way my brain would function. The way I could think about something more deeply.

I started using because I wanted to. It wasn't considered cool, but some guys did use dip that young.

By the time I was 15, I was smoking 1-2 PAD.

I am an introvert.
Unique! Thank you, Freemind
 

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You, sir, are a very developed individual. I also do not own a car; in fact, I own no vehicle at all. I do not own a cell phone, either, nor do I ever watch television. I am about as far as one can get from materialism yet still survive in America. I could be said to be utilitarian as regarding certain objects, but my way of looking at things ignores both form and function; purpose is what really matters to me. If something is created for its form, I admire and appreciate it for its form; likewise, if something is invented for a particular function, I judge its merit on its performance. Form and function are just opposite poles of the same magnet called purpose. I see only the magnet. All that really matters to me is what motivation caused it to be. I do realize that things just are (in sort of a tao sense), but intent means everything to me, and supplies me with the criteria with which to evaluate any given thing.
So you have abandoned technology, however you are using a computer and interfacing with the INTERNET?
 

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So you have abandoned technology, however you are using a computer and interfacing with the INTERNET?
I have not abandoned technology, I have overcome material attachment. I use other people's shit, and always return it better than I received it.
 

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How do you manage to eat, support yourself?

Whisky, you should really READ the thread. Not just scan it, READ it. He is an honorary member of the REAL Illuminati!! You think they would let him starve? He is creating multiple accounts to drive up his post count and then overthrow VU on behalf of Big Tobacco! Barney would be disappointed...... lolololol Bean number what???
 

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Whisky, you should really READ the thread. Not just scan it, READ it. He is an honorary member of the REAL Illuminati!! You think they would let him starve? He is creating multiple accounts to drove up his post count and then overthrow VU on behalf of Big Tobacco! Barney would be disappointed...... lolololol Bean number what???
I about spewed vegetable juice everywhere laughing! I wish those assholes were paying me, they can afford it! And yes, they are quite real. They have a website and everything. So do the masons. It's not like they're hiding. They are actually pretty good guys, and they are happy to answer any questions, unless you're some kind of hostile, foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.

P.S. regarding multiple accounts: Karebear really is my wife, Karen.
 
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Whisky, you should really READ the thread. Not just scan it, READ it. He is an honorary member of the REAL Illuminati!! You think they would let him starve? He is creating multiple accounts to drive up his post count and then overthrow VU on behalf of Big Tobacco! Barney would be disappointed...... lolololol Bean number what???
I READ enough to make my own conclusions without wasting a whole lot of my time, You can thank me later:cool::cool::D
 

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I about spewed vegetable juice everywhere laughing! I wish those assholes were paying me, they can afford it! And yes, they are quite real. They have a website and everything. So do the masons. It's not like they're hiding. They are actually pretty good guys, and they are happy to answer any questions, unless you're some kind of hostile, foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.

P.S. regarding multiple accounts: Karebear really is my wife, Karen.
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