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Doing just what I did night-before-last and yesterday morning, again last night and this morning: No leakage. Only difference? When I stored the tank, this morning, I left the juice ports and AFC wide open. Even nearly identical juice levels.

I wonder...?
 

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Just my experience, mine also leaked right above the airflow as well. Untill I learned how to wick it the right way. Then every once in a while it would start seeping a little above the AF. Then a few days later it leaked all down my mod but I noticed the top glass O-ring was hanging inside the tank. Everytime I moved it and re-tightened it would move again. Untill I took it back apart and dried the O-ring the glass and where the O-ring sits with a paper towel. This time it stayed in place and I honestly haven't a any leaks since. My point being is the air leaked from the top killing the vacuum in the chamber causing it to leak out the bottom or air flow holes. I think it was from messing with the tank and trying to make it tight. This what I've experience so far but no more leaks or seeping at all since. It might not be everyone's fix but between wicking and resembling this tank works like a champ.
 

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makes no sense to me.
Unlike with the juice ports & AFC open: With them closed the juice tank is a closed system. So if the air & liquid warms, pressure increases,...

Only a theory. Doesn't necessarily hold any liquid.
 

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Unlike with the juice ports & AFC open: With them closed the juice tank is a closed system. So if the air & liquid warms, pressure increases,...

Only a theory. Doesn't necessarily hold any liquid.
The AFC doesn't "close" anything. The air side is an open container. Closed or open isn't going to change anything.

In order for it to leak out the bottom, something has to replace it in the tank. Air has to replace it or it would be a vacuum. So if there is a leak, there has to be bubbles. The easiest route would be juice ports.

If the tank leaks, and there is never a bubble, then that means there is no vacuum. That means it is an air leak and the tank is simply draining. The juice flow control at that point isn't going to stop anything. It's not a seal.
 

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The AFC doesn't "close" anything. The air side is an open container. Closed or open isn't going to change anything.
Hmmm... true.

In order for it to leak out the bottom, something has to replace it in the tank. Air has to replace it or it would be a vacuum.
Unless the leak were due to expansion of the contents of the tank. I'm not an expert in gas or liquid thermal coefficients, so I've really not idea how feasible that might be.

The reason it occurred to me was that my tank sat all night long in the home office/computer room. We close the door, at night, it's in a far corner of the house, and it's the most exposed corner. So it gets cool at night, in wintertime. When I put the tank away the next morning, it got put in a container in a box located on the kitchen table: Perhaps the warmest room in the house. The only difference between the day it leaked and the day it did not was that, on the day it did, I'd closed the juice ports and AFC before putting it away. Everything else was exactly the same: Same wicking, same juice and same liquid level (w/in a fraction of a ml).

Of course: That does not explain why it leaked on me, two nights prior, when I'd simply been using it--and not particularly heavily. It's possible that was flooding due to improper wicking. (I don't believe so, but it's not out of the question.)

You've seen the pictures of the disassembled lower assembly. What is your theory as to what provokes apparently random leaking via the area between the two portions of the lower assembly?
 

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The juice isn't going to expand. The only time that would mater is a closed vessel. If there is any air, it would accept the expansion. Air does expand and contract with temp. But you are talking about minor temp changes. Not like going from a freezer to room temp. Then it would be the heating cycle. Meaning cooling would increase vacuum. Heating would expand. But we are still talking minute pressure differences and volume changes. A drag off the tank would solve it probably.

The juice control isn't a seal. But it's possible it would slow a leak down. Seeping out the seam is still a miniscule amount. A tenth of a ml. Doesn't take much. You might conclude it doesn't leak closed, but maybe it's just not enough to show. Still fine if it keeps it clean. IDK. But the fuller the tank and smaller the air pocket the less effect that would have.

My phone doesn't do well copying links... Google a thread on ECF, "OBS Crius RTA?". On page 46, a post by AMD trucking has the pics. About half way down the page. You can see for yourself.
 

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Google a thread on ECF, "OBS Crius RTA?". On page 46, a post by AMD trucking has the pics. About half way down the page. You can see for yourself.
Thanks, @Powerman! From that post: "I took mine apart and installed a small O-ring."

I actually read the entire thread, from what appeared to be about the time members there first started reporting problems (somewhere around page 21). If I'm reading correctly: There's no O-ring in there at all? The only thing preventing juice escaping is the "quality" of the dimensioning of the parts and the tightness of the press fit? If so: The question is not "Why does it leak when it does?" but "Why does it not leak all the time?"

What a shame. The design concept is a good one. All they needed to do was:
  • Slightly better manufacturing, esp. QC
  • Install an O-ring between the two parts that rotate against one another
  • Use PEEK insulator material
  • Fasten the lower assembly together with a threaded 510 pin, rather than a press fit
Fasttech has clones. Quite possibly of better quality than the originals. For about half the price. This does not reflect well on OBS, IMO, from whom I'm definitely disinclined to buy a product in the future.

I am, however, toying with the idea of buying one of those Fasttech Crius clones. Just for shits & grins. Not because I want or need another tank like the Crius, but to see, for myself, if the FT clone at half the price really is better than the OBS original.
 

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I didn't read the thread... But there is a ring in there. I don't know if there never was like they said. Vaping Devil picked his out. On mine, you can see a clear silicone ring in there. I read that post as he replaced... But he didn't replace, he said he installed. I don't know if their "fix" was to add a o-ring.... To me their fix needs to be a serviceable o-ring.
 

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I didn't read the thread... But there is a ring in there. I don't know if there never was like they said. Vaping Devil picked his out. On mine, you can see a clear silicone ring in there. I read that post as he replaced... But he didn't replace, he said he installed. I don't know if their "fix" was to add a o-ring.... To me their fix needs to be a serviceable o-ring.
I guess what he meant was he installed a second O-ring, then? There's a video (Russian) where you can watch a guy take the assembly apart. An O-ring does pop out, but it's not clear from where. He temporarily places that O-ring somewhere and makes a comment, but I neither speak nor understand Russian, so it's Greek to me.
 
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I gotta tell you...... This POS called a Crius is really pissing me off.
I know how to wick the fucking too so this is more of a venting.
Soaked the deck in super hot water, dried it all out, rewicked and perfect for 4 fills.
Then suddenly the weeping starts. Bring out the paper towel and wrap around mod. Next thing you can see liquid coming out through the joint between the AFC and Juice control ring. Then more through the air holes.
Ok so it's a nice Vape but then turns to shit after some use. What the Fuck! Is what I'm thinking. If it sucks why doesn't it leak or seep right away? Of course it regains your trust after 3 tanks and you begin to think ah ha then comes the fuck me words.
Mine has taken a flight across the room. Hopefully it vaporizes itself into a distant memory.
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im refilling mine 3-5 times a day and no leakage or nothing for 2 days now
 

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Another Glowing Testimony to The Awesomeness that is The OBS Crius!

Nice rant, @TheVapingDevil. Sorry the thing's frustrating you. Yeah: The Crius' ways seem to have no rhythm or reason. Do the exact same things X times and sometimes it'll goof up--other times it'll behave.
 

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I gotta tell you...... This POS called a Crius is really pissing me off.
I know how to wick the fucking too so this is more of a venting.
Soaked the deck in super hot water, dried it all out, rewicked and perfect for 4 fills.
Then suddenly the weeping starts. Bring out the paper towel and wrap around mod. Next thing you can see liquid coming out through the joint between the AFC and Juice control ring. Then more through the air holes.
Ok so it's a nice Vape but then turns to shit after some use. What the Fuck! Is what I'm thinking. If it sucks why doesn't it leak or seep right away? Of course it regains your trust after 3 tanks and you begin to think ah ha then comes the fuck me words.
Mine has taken a flight across the room. Hopefully it vaporizes itself into a distant memory.
Thanks for listening


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Haha hahaha haha lolz... best laugh I've had all day. We feel your pain.
 

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Another Glowing Testimony to The Awesomeness that is The OBS Crius!

Nice rant, @TheVapingDevil. Sorry the thing's frustrating you. Yeah: The Crius' ways seem to have no rhythm or reason. Do the exact same things X times and sometimes it'll goof up--other times it'll behave.
Omg this thing is a royal pita. I just wish it would either do it right away or not at all

I have made an observation that seems to directly correlate but in the end it still turns to shit but oh well here it is.
After a nice cleaning and warm bath, the juice control is nice and tight when you turn it. Like a dry oring or something. After a few fills it starts to get looser and looser then bamm here comes the seepage and leaks. It's gotta be a piss poor design am I am about done fucking with this. There are plenty more other devices out there and I don't care if I gotta spend the 65 dollars for that VCMT to get what I have been looking for. How hard is it yo get a tank that has flavor and doesn't leak, seep or shit on ya. Lolol


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I gotta tell you...... This POS called a Crius is really pissing me off.
I know how to wick the fucking too so this is more of a venting.
Soaked the deck in super hot water, dried it all out, rewicked and perfect for 4 fills.
Then suddenly the weeping starts. Bring out the paper towel and wrap around mod. Next thing you can see liquid coming out through the joint between the AFC and Juice control ring. Then more through the air holes.
Ok so it's a nice Vape but then turns to shit after some use. What the Fuck! Is what I'm thinking. If it sucks why doesn't it leak or seep right away? Of course it regains your trust after 3 tanks and you begin to think ah ha then comes the fuck me words.
Mine has taken a flight across the room. Hopefully it vaporizes itself into a distant memory.
Thanks for listening


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LOL Mine fooled me enough to give it rave reviews after the first few tanks. Then it started misbehaving!
 

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LOL when you actually find a leakproof RTA let me know. I actually doubt such a thing exists, but I can still hope!
I saw one the other day by joytech. I think it's a cubid or something like that. Only has occ but I'm sure an rba may come but it won't suit my needs.


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I saw one the other day by joytech. I think it's a cubid or something like that. Only has occ but I'm sure an rba may come but it won't suit my needs.


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I've never found the RBA portion of a tank to be much good. They leak too!

The Kayfun V4 (clones) didn't leak really. But then they had the tightest draw in the world (and I have three that need rehoming). The fogger was just a water spout (sold), I never could get my Billows V2 not to leak (two that need rehoming) - and there's been a bunch more forgettables. Which is why I keep going back to the Crown OCC coils. I'm really perfectly happy with those, but I'd still like to find the ultimate rebuildable that's not an RDA (too high maintenance with the amount of juice I use, even though I'm very fond of my velocity mini).
 

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I've never found the RBA portion of a tank to be much good. They leak too!

The Kayfun V4 (clones) didn't leak really. But then they had the tightest draw in the world (and I have three that need rehoming). The fogger was just a water spout (sold), I never could get my Billows V2 not to leak (two that need rehoming) - and there's been a bunch more forgettables. Which is why I keep going back to the Crown OCC coils. I'm really perfectly happy with those, but I'd still like to find the ultimate rebuildable that's not an RDA (too high maintenance with the amount of juice I use, even though I'm very fond of my velocity mini).
I'm right there with you lady. Still searching and glad I have the crown to bring me back from the angry land that the Crius puts me in. Lol


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I'm in the same boat with my Crowns. I've been using others, but when I need to grab one... It just performs period with no problems. Completely consistent. My two won't be going anywhere.

I need to use my Griffin more. My TC freaked out and burnt the wick. Nothing to do with the Griffin. Anyway, I need to get a solid week. I need to pry myself away from my Evo and VCMT. I need to put it through some abuse before I can say for sure.... But so far, not even a hint of a leak anywhere. So far....
 

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I'm in the same boat with my Crowns. I've been using others, but when I need to grab one... It just performs period with no problems. Completely consistent. My two won't be going anywhere.

I need to use my Griffin more. My TC freaked out and burnt the wick. Nothing to do with the Griffin. Anyway, I need to get a solid week. I need to pry myself away from my Evo and VCMT. I need to put it through some abuse before I can say for sure.... But so far, not even a hint of a leak anywhere. So far....
Be sure to update us on the 'so far' part:p
 

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not having issue siwth my crius
its great
but i want a bigger build deck to try out claptons with..I may not even like claptons or any of these other "advanced" coils.... but if i do the griffin is the only thing I see that fits my needs...but its got a tiny tank

crowns are very reliable...unless you get a crappy coil..some people get lucky and never get a bad coil... i seem to get all of theirs...25% of mine wind up bad. but since i pay like $150 a piece..not big of a deal

im so confused as to why others who have much much more experience with RTAs like amanda vapin devil vujim etc are having such issues with their criuses,?criusi? criusci? and i am getting so lucky with mine

I have had some sort of leakage at first. some time sit was form filling and not closing the juice flow....sometime I have no idea. but going on 3 days and changed teh wick yesterday....not a drop out of it and iv ebeen through 40mls in it, Had it outside in the cold, left it laying down sitting up, all the normal use and abuse i give a tank and it sbeen leak free for 3 days
 

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not having issues with my crius
its great but i want a bigger build deck to try out claptons with..
Well, OBS made one good Crius... and you got it. So be happy. :) Want a bigger build deck? Buy yourself an RDA. You've a world of choices.
 

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I've always been fairly sure that my problem with RTAs is vaping a tank an hour (or so) - 30 mls a day. My tanks get really hot - so much so, that with top fill I can't refill them until they cool down.

The velocity mini has a bigger deck, and it's easy to build on. I haven't yet tried clapton wire in the Crius, but you should be able to fit in a 2.5mm coil, clapton or otherwise. I'll give it a try if I stop being so annoyed with my Crius LOL
 

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I've always been fairly sure that my problem with RTAs is vaping a tank an hour (or so) - 30 mls a day....
Wow !!! 30mls a day !!! Where do you buy your juice?
 

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the closet i came to getting a clapton was
2x26ga 32ga wrap 316L
1.97mm id 5 wraps...but it fluctuated between .09 and .1 so my mod wouldnt work right all the time since it stops at .1
but i know the fluctuation was because the coils were just barely touching the build deck cover

i know others have got claptons working ina crius but those were kanthal which makes the resistance much higher. i might pick up some kathal
all i have to work with is 28ga 316l and this premade clapton wire

I do think that these seepage issues are possible cause form the mating surfaces themselves not being flush. so there a low spot in on surface, and in some positions it seals fine, in othe rpositions(when rotating the jfc) it does not seal.
I urge those having issue sto check the metal ring that holds the glass in place at the bottom for flatness

and i wonder if a o ring that was flat and thin enough on the deck below the juice ports would solve the issue completely
 

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Wow !!! 30mls a day !!! Where do you buy your juice?
DIY LOL Otherwise I'd be broke:p

On the claptons, I've never seen clapton premade wire in SS - only kanthal, which is what I have.
 

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I've always been fairly sure that my problem with RTAs is vaping a tank an hour (or so) - 30 mls a day. My tanks get really hot - so much so, that with top fill I can't refill them until they cool down.

The velocity mini has a bigger deck, and it's easy to build on. I haven't yet tried clapton wire in the Crius, but you should be able to fit in a 2.5mm coil, clapton or otherwise. I'll give it a try if I stop being so annoyed with my Crius LOL

i got the ss clapton wire on ebay
 

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Omg this thing is a royal pita. I just wish it would either do it right away or not at all.
Yeah, that's the biggest problem, really. It's otherwise such a great RTA that you just want so badly to work right that you keep trying it and hoping "Maybe it won't..." and *BANG*: Juice everywhere :(

At this point I'm keeping mine. Maybe OBS will eventually realize they're destroying their reputation with this thing and build an assembly that actually works right. "Works right" being defined as "Doesn't come with a pre-damaged insulator and isn't prone to randomly leaking e-liquid all over the user and everything else."

I will eventually inform Wetvapes that the assmblies they're sending out as replacements are no better than the ones they're replacing. Maybe OBS doesn't care about its reputation, but I'm certain Wetvapes cares about its.
 

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My Crown gets a film above the AFC. There is usually juice in the ring. But that isn't a big deal to me. It's minor. I don't consider that a "leak". To me, that's acceptable. Just not a big deal.

The Crius, not so much. I have 3. I got another base and a free top to make 4. I have not used them in order to know which one is which. My first seemed to leak so I cleaned it and it's on my dresser. The others have leaked to some degree, but I have used other tanks. I can't really say whether any of them are bad or worse than others. I clean them up and they are good for a bit then it seems to accumulate juice and I'm always wiping it off.

I can't say what is a leak and what is a wick. But even it it doesn't leak now, it will leak in the future just because the design. It's a really great performer, but OBS has to do something. It won't last long term. People will not continue buying them the way they are. If OBS is in this for the long haul, they have to acknowledge it, address it, and improve it. They are not going to replace gen 1s, but they have to come out with a gen 2 that is trouble free. Perils of jumping on gen 1 gear in a fast paced market place I guess. I guess I just need to accept being a beta tester if I want latest greatest.
 

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My Crown gets a film above the AFC. There is usually juice in the ring. But that isn't a big deal to me. It's minor. I don't consider that a "leak". To me, that's acceptable. Just not a big deal.

The Crius, not so much. I have 3. I got another base and a free top to make 4. I have not used them in order to know which one is which. My first seemed to leak so I cleaned it and it's on my dresser. The others have leaked to some degree, but I have used other tanks. I can't really say whether any of them are bad or worse than others. I clean them up and they are good for a bit then it seems to accumulate juice and I'm always wiping it off.

I can't say what is a leak and what is a wick. But even it it doesn't leak now, it will leak in the future just because the design. It's a really great performer, but OBS has to do something. It won't last long term. People will not continue buying them the way they are. If OBS is in this for the long haul, they have to acknowledge it, address it, and improve it. They are not going to replace gen 1s, but they have to come out with a gen 2 that is trouble free. Perils of jumping on gen 1 gear in a fast paced market place I guess. I guess I just need to accept being a beta tester if I want latest greatest.
I get that film with the crown and even some juice in the base after extended use. I take the coil out after a week and clean the base so to me it's part of regular maintenance program.
Crius on the other hand, is the same as your experiences. I can't believe it's my wicking because it wicks great at the beginning and still wicks great when it leaks without the over juicing and popping of juice in your moth you would expect if it was on the deck.
The juice is just getting through and leaking out of probably more than one place


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And I don't know about the top fill either. The pull up side fill is cool. But if any air leaks, then it drains. I have no clue if that is a problem. When I fill there is juice in the space, and it seems to be sealed. I've never had a leak there on any of them. I've just been curios how it would fare longterm. Who knows. I know I like a positive seal I can screw down on for peace of mind.
 

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The juice is just getting through and leaking out of probably more than one place
I remain convinced that, other than wicking issues, it's only one place, and that's the faulty seal between the two halves of the lower assembly.

And I don't know about the top fill either. The pull up side fill is cool. ... I've just been curios how it would fare longterm. Who knows. I know I like a positive seal I can screw down on for peace of mind.
I kind of wondered the same thing.
 

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The side fill is nice but I wonder bout its ability to seal long term. Also if you listen carefully you can hear it pulling air out as you lift it. I'm sure it also compressed air when you close it that could be contributing. I have been closing mine real slowly and turn the tank over as soon as I can when closing without having juice pour out. This forces the bubble up to the juice holes. I then take a hit and finally open up the juice holes. It all seems to make sense and might help a bit but I'm still experiencing the problems.


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see i still think its weird
you all are having serious issues...im not,
im wondering if i can help you all becuase thi sis my first rta and besides the deck space ( which is not a real issue- just wish for more) and i do not like the top/side fill. it seem slike it might be a issue at some point.

@AmandaD you keep saying your crius gets hot. that make sme wonder if something is wrong.

Im run mine at .5 ohms with 316l 10 wrap 2mm ID at 48watts
i just tried to suck through about 2-3ml in 5 mins - man my lungs hate me at the moment and that lead to a few slight dry hits. But this thing is a s cool as room temp still. Mine does not heat up. It did the first day or two until I felt I perfected my coils and wicks on it. Now it never seems to heat up .

SO this makes me curious as to why yours heat sup so much. I know you go through twice as much juice as me in a day. But what ohm/build/watts are you running to get it so hot.

Im wondering if that heat combined with the fact if i remember correctly you run heavy PG is thinning your juice, making the metal and other material inside the tank get slightly misshappen and allows yours to leak

because if i also remember correctly you had slight cracks in your ceramic insulator; but i dont remember if you got the deck replaced....if not that may be causing the heat and the leak

is any one else @TheVapingDevil @vuJim @anyone else having these leaking issues, experiencing their tank heating up above room temp?
Im wondering if all who have this leakage experience the heat up issue and they are connected.
 

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see i still think its weird
you all are having serious issues...im not,
im wondering if i can help you all becuase thi sis my first rta and besides the deck space ( which is not a real issue- just wish for more) and i do not like the top/side fill. it seem slike it might be a issue at some point.

@AmandaD you keep saying your crius gets hot. that make sme wonder if something is wrong.

Im run mine at .5 ohms with 316l 10 wrap 2mm ID at 48watts
i just tried to suck through about 2-3ml in 5 mins - man my lungs hate me at the moment and that lead to a few slight dry hits. But this thing is a s cool as room temp still. Mine does not heat up. It did the first day or two until I felt I perfected my coils and wicks on it. Now it never seems to heat up .

SO this makes me curious as to why yours heat sup so much. I know you go through twice as much juice as me in a day. But what ohm/build/watts are you running to get it so hot.

Im wondering if that heat combined with the fact if i remember correctly you run heavy PG is thinning your juice, making the metal and other material inside the tank get slightly misshappen and allows yours to leak

because if i also remember correctly you had slight cracks in your ceramic insulator; but i dont remember if you got the deck replaced....if not that may be causing the heat and the leak

is any one else @TheVapingDevil @vuJim @anyone else having these leaking issues, experiencing their tank heating up above room temp?
Im wondering if all who have this leakage experience the heat up issue and they are connected.
When the tank is cool, like first thing in am it works great. Once it starts to warm up it seeps. I have 24 g dual 316 ss in mine at .19 Im hitting it with 50 watts limiting to 480 degrees. It doesn't get hot but slightly warm as I would suspect. But once that happens it starts seeping till it sits for awhile. I had a cracked insulator and the new deck does not have cracked insulator but it's no better than the original


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One thing I have noticed and it may be design flaw or not but once it's connected to your mod, I can apply side pressure to the drip tip and you can see that the tank will wiggle but not the base. It's a poor design because it's press fit not a mechanical fastener connection


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My leaking/weeping/seeping issues don't seem to correspond to any particular set of circumstances or usage I've yet been able to identify. The original bottom assembly did it a very, very little bit, but had a seriously cracked/fractured insulator. The newer one has leaked/weeped/seeped fairly significantly at least once--and, I think, twice. The fitment between top and bottom sections of the bottom assembly is noticeably sloppier on the new assembly as compared to the original, while the insulator has but a single crack--which is about as bad as the least significant of the multitude of cracks in the old one.

I do not vape heavily. When I decided to give this new bottom assembly a 2nd chance, at @Izen's urging, I vaped pretty hard (for me) at the end of the evening. The tank might have warmed slightly. I experienced no problems with stray e-liquid that evening.

I'm vaping a 50/50 juice.
 

Mattp169

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One thing I have noticed and it may be design flaw or not but once it's connected to your mod, I can apply side pressure to the drip tip and you can see that the tank will wiggle but not the base. It's a poor design because it's press fit not a mechanical fastener connection


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mine does no such thing. nothing wiggles or moves.

MAYBE....
even though you got replacement decks, theres an issue with the whole damn thing both the the deck and the top
and they fixed it and I got one that was fixed????????
 

TheVapingDevil

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mine does no such thing. nothing wiggles or moves.

MAYBE....
even though you got replacement decks, theres an issue with the whole damn thing both the the deck and the top
and they fixed it and I got one that was fixed????????
Or most likely the only one lolol


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AmandaD

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There's nothing wrong with my replacement deck - no cracks! My build is around 0.3 ohms, and I run high VG, not high PG. All my tanks get very hot, not just this one. And most of them leak (except the Crown), so this is no surprise to me :p
 

WARCHOP37

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So I'm going to keep trying with this Crius v3...

So I got some 26g SS 316L in and decided to give that a go. Dual vertical build.
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Wicking it right into the channels
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Washed her up and kept it dry. Looks like no leaks so far, but I haven't used it yet.
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Hoping for the best here, I really do want to love this thing, but all the hate you are all experiencing is what I'm seeing too. So here's hoping for the best.
 

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WARCHOP37

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@vuJim I wanted everyone to see what I've been working with. My macro lens kinda gets you close enough to see where issues may arise, however I don't know still to this day what is causing that weeping/seeping. As I said, I wanna love this tank, and like a good partner, I'm not just gonna give up on something I want to love so much.
 

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