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  1. HeadInClouds

    HeadInClouds Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years ECF Refugee Unlisted Vendor Vape Media

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    I am speaking only for myself. Others who post recipes here may or may not agree with me, but I hope they will post their opinions here, too!

    It is common courtesy to ASK FIRST before re-posting other people's work elsewhere on the web!

    Vapingunderground is where I have chosen to post and maintain my "HIC's" recipes -- because I like it here! This is where my recipe notes, tips, substitute ingredients, and people's comments are all readily available. Having those details together can be important for success with a recipe.

    Out of acknowledgement for my choice to use vapingunderground as my "repository", out of common courtesy, and with the hope that DIYers will get all relevant information -- I would appreciate anyone re-posting my recipes (on Reddit or elsewhere else) to ASK me first, please! I would generally prefer that you link back to the original post here, because updates are frequently made - and they exist only here on vapingunderground.
     
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    I'll add to that, that should anyone have questions in regard to an original recipe, they can ask the creator of that recipe and get real help from the creator.
     
  3. UncleRJ

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    Sounds a lot like common courtesy to me......................

    Gotta check the forum rules to see if such behavior is allowed:D
     
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    I know I've seen in some places that when you try and copy info, it's disabled. However, to copy/paste a link to a post does work. I have no issue with that.
     
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    @UncleRJ can you get this stickied for us?
    would really appreciate it..
     
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    eh, people can take snapshots etc.. that won't stop them..
    it just goes to show no morals or ethics on their parts.
    Rude.
     
  7. UncleRJ

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    Done!
     
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    <3 ya Uncle!! You rule! :D
     
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    Even though I agree with you @HeavinInclouds this is the INTERNET and these forums are viewable just by search you do not need to be a member to see any of this... So for the members this is great but anyone can copy and past anything
     
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    This is the (latest) disclaimer I posted on Reddit, where the vapingunderground recipe forum is being copied:

    I am HIC (HeadInClouds) from vapingunderground.com. Because my recipes were copied over here without my knowledge, I have a disclaimer for anyone who sees them here.

    Recipes named "HIC's ..." are my creations. Vapingunderground.com is my home base and recipe "repository". I post and maintain my completed recipes in the DIY recipe forum there -- including detailed descriptions, substitute ingredients, variations, and sometimes CHANGES or additions. I will not see any comments or questions on my recipes that are posted here - but I will on vapingunderground. If there are any notes, additions, or changes made after someone posts them here - YOU will not know unless you go to MY original posts on the recipes forum at vapingunderground.

    I keep my recipes and all details together on vapingunderground so that DIYers have complete information in one place. Having them copied here as anything other than a link makes maintenance impossible for me -- and means you all see possibly-outdated versions.

    -- HIC (aka HeadInClouds from vapingunderground)
    (just posting a copy here to explain my frustration)
     
  11. MrScaryZ

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    @HeadInClouds I understand your frustration the one thing you could do is ask for a recipe area that is only available to members..
    But even then somone can create an account copy all your recipes In the early days of the Internet even before on the Arpanet it was common coutesy nobody cares now theft is the common...
     
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    The 'conversation' feature here works like a private sub-group. Very useful feature at times!
     
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    That doesn't make it "right", or acceptable behavior.
     
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    Well said HIC ! It comes down to simple courtesy .
     
  18. MrScaryZ

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    Did I say it did?
    But it is reality like it or not


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    He's copy/pasting ALL the recipes from VU. I'm curious how @VaporJoes feels about that. Thoughts, Joe?
     
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    Yes true but does not fix the problem


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    there are no rules on the Internet you cannot stop them a disclaimer is all that can be done


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    Heading off to work.... gonna stay tuned, though.
     
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    Not according to this:
    http://mason.gmu.edu/~montecin/copyright-internet.htm

    (Someone else posted this link in another thread)
     
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    Reddit has been notified, and I will update here if/when I get a reply.

    (Moderator or not, he appears to be in violation of their own user policy.)
     
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    @Amanda that does not apply this work is created in the public sector (The Internet) unless HeadinClouds decides to copyright these recipes its up for grabs
    Read "Material in the "public domain" is intellectual property that does not come under copyright laws"
     
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    @HeadInClouds I mean no disrespect but if you are so concerned about them copying this then why put it on a forum?
    Putting things on a Forum is known to be "up for grabs" another example Vaporjoes.com nothing keeps someone from coping one of @VaporJoes
    deals and putting it on their own site... This happens all the time...
    For example now that your recipes were on Reddit they have been copied by now my thousands and will probably show up all over the place...

    "Sad but True" -- Metallica
     
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    Am I misreading this part (taken from the link I posted!)
    When creating a Web page, you CANNOT:
    • Put the contents of another person's or organizations web site on your Web page
    • Copy and paste information together from various Internet sources to create "your own" document. [You CAN quote or paraphrase limited amounts, if you give credit to the original source and the location of the source. This same principle applies to print sources, of course.]
    • Incorporate other people's electronic material, such as e-mail, in your own document, without permission.
    • Forward someone's e-mail to another recipient without permission
    • Change the context of or edit someone else's digital correspondence in a way which changes the meaning
    • Copy and paste others' lists of resources on your own web page
     
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    Sorry but that's just a first class Ahole move Botboy. Just sayin'. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should. At least give the guy that's worked so hard on all this stuff a PM or some kinda "heads up"! The really messed up thing is that HIC is such a good guy, he probably would have been fine with it and guided you on how he would have like to have seen it done. Kinda makes me wonder if all those recipes that Botboy's been posting here are even his own. Why would they be? Some people must just wake up and say "what can I do to be the douchiest douchenozzle I can be today???"
     
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    @AmandaD and who is going to enforce this?
     
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    @AmandaD you are looking at the rules of a University there rules not Internet rules....Every College has rules
    There usually called Computer use policies what you are looking at is What is considered "Plagarism" Which is very serious in College I know when I was in College many people got expelled for this.. But on the Internet is open.. the only rules that apply to a person are their ISP's rules beyond that
    nothing..
     
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    Well then why are there copyright laws?
     
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    @cherrycakes so when people copyright their material it is protected to a certain extent but lets use mods for example each and every mod maker from the US that has a mod cloned there option is to sue for copyright infrigment.. There are many lawsuits for copyright infringement but it takes years to make it to court and alot of money out of your pocket if you lose and were suing for lets say 100,000 dollars worth of damage and you lost your lawyer will chare you buy the hour.. Thats why most of the time unless you are a huge company or a smart businessman you have lawyers ready to take on anyone...
    if it is not copyrighted then nothing can be done.. For example lets look at youtube.com many people break copyright's there are many categories of copyright and then sub categories... Ever see the 5 or 30 sec commercial before a youtube video? If so that means its not an original work
    and those commercials have been put in place by the youtube for the copyright owner to get whatever percentage they get usually music on youtube..

    Make sense?
     
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    Ah, duh, I knew I was missing something LOL Thanks!

    I think the whole point is that it was underhanded. I don't think he's ever even posted in our large FA thread.....all he had to do was discuss it first and there wouldn't be quite so much rancor.
     
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    Same here. Had to keep out of military systems though because my dad was an officer in the Air Force working with ICMB's.
    But university and telecommunications...
     
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    it wasn't just HIC.. but wllmc and Jason..

    and if the webmaster(s) get wind and get ticked.. they can do something..

    but no, it will not stop people from snatching..
     
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    thing is.. it's happened elsewhere too, and people took their recipes to pm..
    me.. I just fix the percentages.. sometimes..
    and if there is a question, and i do not want to post the right amounts in public, then i have the option of pm
    or here.. conversation..

    thing is, it's sad when we have to do it, all over an egotistical person aptly named botboy..
    an honest person would not do this.. much less any Man..
     
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    that is true if said website has rules then so be also rules that are not witten can and are enforced I do it all the time


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    YAY!!..

    okies, time for me to be good.. I can not do this round and round bit..
     
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    Same that's why I do not post any recipes online


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    See - that's a loss for the good guys that could learn from your experience, MrScaryZ. It truly is.

    Personally, I'd like to see the recipe you vaped right before your current avatar photo was taken....lol!
     
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    Haha hey it's Halloween soon. Some of my recipes are on Facecrap I mean Facebook as of late I really have not been active. :)


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    Yeah it just sucks, really I'm so new here and to vaping as a whole I don't have much to offer, and I have no idea what a conversation is LOL. If it comes to that I'm doomed:(
     
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    Where on reddit??
     
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    check him out CC..

    http://www.reddit.com/user/Botboy141

    you will find his last comment:

    Flavour Art Recipes by Botboy141in DIY_eJuice
    Botboy141[S] 1 point 5 hours ago

    Appreciate the disclaimer HIC. All of these recipes I cRoss posted are linked back to your OP on VU as well.

    I will update Orange Tic Tacs to reflect your name as well (names were copied directly from the thread titles on VU).


    has been removed.. nor has he given any credit to the others he plastered..
     
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    Is it the diy_eJuice one??
     
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    yeps.. that is where he is a mod.. ;)
     
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    I am the one who posted the original copyright link and have to apologize because I posted the link from the wrong tab in my browser as I had multiples open at the time.

    The correct link was supposed to be: http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/copyrightable-subject-matter

    That being said, because I am a full disclosure type of guy and have a problem trying to stop researching, I'll also share the following which strengthens general internet content:
    http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/copyright
    http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/intellectual-property
    http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/works-not-covered-copyright

    Unfortunately I also found this reference which specifically excludes the ingredient list and proportions of recipes, but still protects and content related to the other content related to the ingredients:
    http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl122.html

    So, the sad news is that botboy144 is doing things that upset the general community, but nothing that is protected by current copyright laws.

    Sorry for the answer and the confusion,

    Bill
     
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    Heya Bill..

    it's no sweat.. really.. all he did was damage good people that like to share and help others..
    obviously there are reddit people here, so, who knows..
    thing is, i know how it feels to have recipes all over the www..
    it will take time before sharing freely again for anyone..

    its why i post some right, some a bit off and some way off..
    in the end, it is up to the person making the juice..
    what makes me happy, might not be so for others..

    copywrite or not.. there are people that do get off on things like this..
    people "hack" for obvious reasons..
    just like there are people out there that make it all about themselves..
    but once you have something nice that you freely give passed around like a trophey..
    it is hard..
    took me over a year.. last place i posted was ecf..
    i used to be active on fb.. same reasons..
    some more serious than others..
    but people can be sick.. i could use other words..
    but what is the point?

    its happened.. and it will kick him in the butt..
    and i do expect to see alts of his around as well..
    so be it..

    but thanks for the help on copywrite.. it just does not matter..
    if someone wants something bad enough, they will find ways..
     
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    It will be interesting to see how reddit replies to the complaint which depends on their TOS

    I think that most troubling thing about the whole issue is @Botboy141 indication that he plans to start selling "his" line of juice in the near future given that it is apparent that he gets a lot of his recipes from this site and others instead of developing his own.

    It's sad the level that some people will stoop to in order to make a buck.
     
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    The fact alone that he is a mod there.. well..
    and has not come back here and apologized, nada..
    at least not publicly..
     
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