Evolv to release DNA75 w Board?

[Nailz]

You know the more I think about this mod, $125 isn't a terrible price for it, there is still DNA 40 devices that are around that mark, I admit I paid $50 for my VT40, but that was because of a 50% off sale, and the DNA40 devices when they 1st came out, was around $200. Out of all my devices (about 15 of them) I love my VT40 the most, nice clear display, great battery life, and just always works really well, the reason I want this mod, is because of how much love the VT40, so if HCigar make the one above, I have changed my mind and would pay the $125 for it

 

[Tpat591]

You know the more I think about this mod, $125 isn't a terrible price for it, there is still DNA 40 devices that are around that mark, I admit I paid $50 for my VT40, but that was because of a 50% off sale, and the DNA40 devices when they 1st came out, was around $200. Out of all my devices (about 15 of them) I love my VT40 the most, nice clear display, great battery life, and just always works really well, the reason I want this mod, is because of how much love the VT40, so if HCigar make the one above, I have changed my mind and would pay the $125 for it

They will only be $125 for the first few months and then prices will drop as the market becomes saturated. Then the sales and discounts will start.

 

[conanthewarrior]

OK, hotcig are releasing a DNA75, that takes either a Single 18650 or a single 26650 battery.

EDIT: It comes out on 10th May.

It is compatible with Escribe, which you may already know, I have been given the green light by a friend to post this to let you know of the upcoming device. I quite like the look of it, here it is:

 

[DevAuto]

OK, hotcig are releasing a DNA75, that takes either a Single 18650 or a single 26650 battery.

EDIT: It comes out on 10th May.

It is compatible with Escribe, which you may already know, I have been given the green light by a friend to post this to let you know of the upcoming device. I quite like the look of it, here it is:

Thanks for posting this info. Now I need to start looking to see where I can find one to review!

 

[conanthewarrior]

Thanks for posting this info. Now I need to start looking to see where I can find one to review!

I gather it will launch on the China based websites first, I will clarify this though with my friend to find out. But the 10th of May is when it is for release.

I really hope it is a good device, as I like the look of it myself, my DNA200's rarely get used at higher than 75W, so this would be great-plus it would be my first 26650 regulated mod .

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I gather it will launch on the China based websites first, I will clarify this though with my friend to find out. But the 10th of May is when it is for release.

I really hope it is a good device, as I like the look of it myself, my DNA200's rarely get used at higher than 75W, so this would be great-plus it would be my first 26650 regulated mod .

I'm looking at the new board myself but I have a shit load of high quality 18650's already. I'm not sure I really see a big advantage of 26650's vs 18650's (size compared to capacity). Definitely seems like companies put more R&D into 18650's then 26650's. On top of that a lot of the single 26650 mods are set up in that triangular pattern where the 510 connector is on the skinny side resulting in 25mm atomizers overhanging the mod. Not saying I won't, just not sold on that design as of now.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[conanthewarrior]

I'm looking at the new board myself but I have a shit load of high quality 18650's already. I'm not sure I really see a big advantage of 26650's vs 18650's (size compared to capacity). Definitely seems like companies put more R&D into 18650's then 26650's. On top of that a lot of the single 26650 mods are set up in that triangular pattern where the 510 connector is on the skinny side resulting in 25mm atomizers overhanging the mod. Not saying I won't, just not sold on that design as of now.

Cheers,
Steve

That is very true what you are saying, there will be a difference due to it being capable of using either 26650's or 18650's. From what I can see regarding the hotcig though, it seems the 510 connection is on the 26650 side, and it states it is 30MM, so there shouldn't be overhang with 25MM atomisers.
Other devices may suffer from what you say, I guess we will both have to find out when they are actually available and reviews are coming in, from all manufacturers to see which of the lot suits us as individuals the best .

I do see where you are coming from though, I will see what the device is like from reviews ETC before this time round, with the DNA200 I adopted quite early to the first one, I will wait a while this time before I do get one, that is if I do though, justifying a new mod now is harder and harder the more I get :/, especially more expensive mods.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I'm not saying I won't end up getting one (I only have so much willpower ). With eight additional Samsung 25R's and eight LG HG2's (18650's) still in the mail, I'm not in a hurry to switch over to 26650's atm.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[DevAuto]

I'm looking at the new board myself but I have a shit load of high quality 18650's already. I'm not sure I really see a big advantage of 26650's vs 18650's (size compared to capacity). Definitely seems like companies put more R&D into 18650's then 26650's. On top of that a lot of the single 26650 mods are set up in that triangular pattern where the 510 connector is on the skinny side resulting in 25mm atomizers overhanging the mod. Not saying I won't, just not sold on that design as of now.

Cheers,
Steve

I have two 26650 mods that are distinctly different, but both of them came with an 18650 adapter to allow the use of my existing 18650 battery stock. From the quick looking I have done at the trending of new 26650 mods hitting the market, most of them appear to come with an adapter, although this was only through cursory searching, not in depth research. I do have a single 26650, 3500mah battery (because it came with one of the mods), and performance difference between that and my LG HG2s is negligible in either of the mods.

As to shape, I can say that this is where my mods are different. One tapers to a 22mm front face, and over hang is a definite issue, the other does not, the tank mounts more to center and will allow for a significantly wider tank, up to 30mm without overhang. Both of them are fairly comfortable to hold and neither seems to be "too big" which was one of my initial concerns.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I have two 26650 mods that are distinctly different, but both of them came with an 18650 adapter to allow the use of my existing 18650 battery stock. From the quick looking I have done at the trending of new 26650 mods hitting the market, most of them appear to come with an adapter, although this was only through cursory searching, not in depth research. I do have a single 26650, 3500mah battery (because it came with one of the mods), and performance difference between that and my LG HG2s is negligible in either of the mods.

As to shape, I can say that this is where my mods are different. One tapers to a 22mm front face, and over hang is a definite issue, the other does not, the tank mounts more to center and will allow for a significantly wider tank, up to 30mm without overhang. Both of them are fairly comfortable to hold and neither seems to be "too big" which was one of my initial concerns.

I understand all that, this isn't my first rodeo. My way of thinking is if I'm going to use an 18650, I'm not going to buy a thicker 26650 mod and then use an adapter for an 18650. Might just as well just buy a thinner 18650 mod if that's what I'm planning on using anyway.

I already have a Reuleaux, DX200 with the 2 x 18650 battery compartment, along with 3 that use Lipo's. I'm thinking a small DNA75 is in order for me personally.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Tpat591]

Assuming all have heard that FT has the SMY SDNA75 on Presale for $100. Code MAP get it down to $66.49.

Looks like a pistol gripped VTC.

 

[Tpat591]

 

[SmilinVapor]

Any good preorders on this yet?

 

[Nailz]

Only china sites efun.top for the hcigar and fasttech for the smy

 

[TechnoGeek]

I heard Hotcig also has a 26650 mod planned for the DNA75. Nothing official, just something I read on a different forum.

Cheers,
Steve

I've seen that in a few places as well.... If only the 26650 batteries were as good as the 18650s...sure they are higher mah, but lower amperage rating. I watched youtube review PBusardo, he was reviewing the Vape-Forward Stout &The Beyond Vape Centurion(both 26650/18650 devices - Wismec), and ran into a problem where he could NOT get the devices to do 100watts(some wouldn't even do much more than 50watts!) with ANY 26650 batteries, BUT a 18650 did just as well, Sony VTC4(when he tested the Centurion)!

It's a LONG review, I picked the spot near the end where he is demonstrating the issue...

Maybe since they are coming out with high amp devices, the battery makers will up their game?

So, a DNA75 with a 26650 battery, I wonder if Evolve is going to have a VERY short list of recommended batteries?

 

[conanthewarrior]

I've seen that in a few places as well.... If only the 26650 batteries were as good as the 18650s...sure they are higher mah, but lower amperage rating. I watched youtube review PBusardo, he was reviewing the Vape-Forward Stout &The Beyond Vape Centurion(both 26650/18650 devices - Wismec), and ran into a problem where he could NOT get the devices to do 100watts(some wouldn't even do much more than 50watts!) with ANY 26650 batteries, BUT a 18650 did just as well, Sony VTC4(when he tested the Centurion)!

It's a LONG review, I picked the spot near the end where he is demonstrating the issue...

Maybe since they are coming out with high amp devices, the battery makers will up their game?

So, a DNA75 with a 26650 battery, I wonder if Evolve is going to have a VERY short list of recommended batteries?

That is very true. Due to the single cell configuration, at 75W, at cutoff voltage with efficiency factored in, it is drawing 24.16A from the battery.

At Nominal voltage, it is still 20.89A.

I think there probably will be a short list of recommended batteries for this, although myself with the DNA75 I would probably not use it often at it's maximum output, and the 40-50W range would probably be where I would use the device.

However, there will be people who want to use it at 75W, so there does need to be a suitable cell for the device. I am not up on 26650 cells as much as I am on 18650's, so there may well be a 26650, with a fairly good capacity, that has a 25A CDR for people who set the cut off above 3V, to at least 3.2V.

I am going to wait for a while for this one, to see what the best choice will be in the end, whether that be a smaller, 18650 device, or a larger, 26650 device.

EDIT: I mistakenly used the efficiency of the DNA200 to calculate with. I did not realise this board would have an efficiency of 85% vs the 200's 97%. I am gathering that as this would pull more than 25A, and the max is 25A, a small amount of power will be dropped to stop the input current exceeding 25A.

 

[BillW50]

EDIT: I mistakenly used the efficiency of the DNA200 to calculate with. I did not realise this board would have an efficiency of 85% vs the 200's 97%. I am gathering that as this would pull more than 25A, and the max is 25A, a small amount of power will be dropped to stop the input current exceeding 25A.

Yeah I wouldn't put a lot of stock in those efficiency ratings anyway. Check this out, a DNA200 supplying 10 watts to the coil, is drawing 14 watts at the battery. That is an efficiency of 71%. The DNA200 might be indeed 97% at 200 watts, but not at 10 watts.

 

[SteelDriver]

Still think 133 watt devices are the sweet spot mho only.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Still think 133 watt devices are the sweet spot mho only.

They do seem to be from a safety standpoint most definitely, 133W will be drawing just over 20A if the batteries can still put out that power. Plus, it is more than enough for the majority of vapers.

I gather that is why the 133W limit is there for dual 18650 DNA200 devices-most people use 20A cells, Evolv know this, so stayed safe.

 

[DevAuto]

Still think 133 watt devices are the sweet spot mho only.

75 watt is overkill for many vapers, especially in TC mode, or higher ohm coils ... Not everyone wants or needs to vape above the 30-50 watt range. A 133 watt version will be good for those that are pushing the limits of a 75-100 watt setup.

 

[Nailz]

Short video showing the HCigar VT75

 

[TechnoGeek]

75 watt is overkill for many vapers, especially in TC mode, or higher ohm coils ... Not everyone wants or needs to vape above the 30-50 watt range. A 133 watt version will be good for those that are pushing the limits of a 75-100 watt setup.

I would agree 100% I'm not sure as far as TC mode goes, as i've heard it uses more battery..... and big difference there is going to be battery life. That said, I think a lot is going to be determined by price...a DNA75 around $75.00 will sell, at $100, not so much..

Finally, 26650 battery tech is currently no where near the level of 18650s....if it was, I'd already own a 26650 mod...something like the Wismec Presa TC100W, or similar... I'm really hoping that with all the 26650 mods out there, and coming out that the 26650 battery manufactures take notice, and improve their batteries. I'm just not sure though, as batteries for vaping are pretty much a grey market, except for the re-wraps like efest.....

 

[TechnoGeek]

That's a little bit disappointing. Then again it is the first place I've seen it listed and it is a pre-order. Hoping to see it go on sale in the future for around $100. Heck I got my VT200 for under $120 shipped and that came with the 3s Lipo.

Cheers,
Steve

I agree, I think even $100 is a bit too much for a DNA75 device, given the current pricing for the DNA200's There are plenty of SMALL 900mah - 100mah DNA200 devices around the $120-$140 mark....given that, what's the point of of a DNA75, if it costs close to the same? If form factor, function,battery life and cost are similar, why would you? To me, this needs to be priced around the $75.00 mark to be worthwhile.....

 

[f1r3b1rd]

I agree, I think even $100 is a bit too much for a DNA75 device, given the current pricing for the DNA200's There are plenty of SMALL 900mah - 100mah DNA200 devices around the $120-$140 mark....given that, what's the point of of a DNA75, if it costs close to the same? If form factor, function,battery life and cost are similar, why would you? To me, this needs to be priced around the $75.00 mark to be worthwhile.....

power specification doesn't dictate the price of a board.
the device should be running about the same as the cost of a dna200, minus the cost of the battery.

 

[BillW50]

@f1r3b1rd: Really? You think a 10 watt stereo should cost the same as a 200 watt stereo? I would think 200 watt regulator chips costs more than 75 watt ones. Plus you need a bigger box as well.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

The boards are going to be the same cost to make.
Evolv has stated in the past, somewhere the cost to manufacture the boards are pretty much the same. I can't find a source to quote though. Think about it, they will do the same thing, just tuned down, to my knowledge. It would be like a sx350j, weather you use one batter at 75w or two batteries at 150. It is still the same board

You are correct on the box, but I'm not so sure a single battery box will be to much less than a dual. Other than say battery leads, sled and a few other nominal items.

We will see whenever it's released,


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[kim leith]

that would be a no go for me, unless the mod offered a new amazing feature like Kanthal power boost

Posted this question on another forum. What is the chip that will give a 200W "boost" for a nano second, then drop down to what you set it to?
Zero ramp time is what I'm shooting for.

 

[BillW50]

@kim leith and @f1r3b1rd: I like to understand why some wants a boost for Kanthal coils? Oh I get it, but I also get it could be quite dangerous in the wrong hands too. At least with TC, it won't go over 600°F no matter what (unless you turn off TC of course). So all you have to do is to use one of the fine TC wires. Or is this a problem?

 

[f1r3b1rd]

some people don't like tc, others don't like the material used.
working with nickel was a nightmare, TI tasted like poo to me, before SS, I used tc, because of the no dry hit, but it was terrible to work with,
plus, lets say I want to put my petri on my hexohm, with a SS build its only at 0.19ohms, which is too low to safely use on the hexohm, so I have to rebuild it,
the best part of the dna is the boost, I get with tc. but then I have to manage the battery all day.
then you have something like say the kf4 and suape, which are not the best at giving you a great connection for tc.
yet, do work well with a Kanthal boost.
to say its dabgerous or difficult is disingenuous at best, I'm fairly sure that if yihi, oyetech or even provape can do it, so could evolve.
provape is in the dinosaur era and they offer it

it would be great to have one device that I could have everything on.

I don't see the danger, fire 5% higher than my setting for 1-2 seconds, then back to my set output

 

[BillW50]

@f1r3b1rd: Ok I guess I can see all of that. Although if I was running a company like Evolv, I don't know if I would add a boost to power mode. I would be worried about lawsuits and/or the FDA coming down and banning all devices that could produce toxic vapors. Although that would include power mode I guess too. So you are still screwed.

A SIDE NOTE ABOUT SOFT NICKEL: You know you people freaked me out about nickel being so soft that I wouldn't try it for 6 months. As I used only tempered nickel that was very close to the stiffness of Kanthal. After 6 months I decided how bad could it be? As it isn't as soft as solder and I think I could bend solder into a coil shape and even wick it (I know don't vape it though). And I bought a spool of regular nickel wire and I absolutely love that stuff. Here is a simple build I did last month on a Subtank RBA. Just a few minutes and I was done and vaping. I am still vaping on that same coil too.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

tempered nickel is easier, but watch how hard you tighten your post screws. Its harder but brittle. It will snap easy, especially with grubnuts.

as to the lawsuit, i would call another load of doodoo on that. There is no way that adding that feature with the correct limitations woul dbe any worse than what is in place now.
maybe they have an aversion to Kanthal.

 

[BillW50]

tempered nickel is easier, but watch how hard you tighten your post screws. Its harder but brittle. It will snap easy, especially with grubnuts.

Yeap, that part is definitely true. Soft nickel works really well under screw heads for me. Oh I just remembered that I have on my todo list three nickel builds on three velocity decks. Ouch, that could be a problem and I might have to resort to Kanthal.

as to the lawsuit, i would call another load of doodoo on that. There is no way that adding that feature with the correct limitations woul dbe any worse than what is in place now. maybe they have an aversion to Kanthal.

Yeah I dunno. All I know if they do it, there is no turning back. And if something bad happens, you can't just recall them all back.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Yeap, that part is definitely true. Soft nickel works really well under screw heads for me. Oh I just remembered that I have on my todo list three nickel builds on three velocity decks. Ouch, that could be a problem and I might have to resort to Kanthal.

the very reason i want Kanthal boost.

 

[Tpat591]

http://vapenw.com/hcigar-vt75-evolv-dna75

 

[f1r3b1rd]

well i'll be damned, It is right at 100$
I'm man enough to say I'm wrong. - especially when its a good thing

 

[ChrisL]

Still hoping Volcano or VS jump on board. 1300 LiPo, 2amp quick charge, small and light form factor, multiple color options, and under 100 bucks. Dreaming??

 

[Wingsfan0310]

well i'll be damned, It is right at 100$
I'm man enough to say I'm wrong. - especially when its a good thing

With the coupon code 20%offPre-Orders it's actually $79.99

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Nailz]

With the coupon code 20%offPre-Orders it's actually $79.99

Cheers,
Steve

Thank you,don't normally do pre-orders, but for that price I will

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Thank you,don't normally do pre-orders, but for that price I will

Your welcome Nailz. Just trying to look out for my vaping friends. No reason to pay more than we have to. I'm always on the lookout for good deals.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[fuseryder]

With the coupon code 20%offPre-Orders it's actually $79.99

Cheers,
Steve

Pre-ordered it, at that price I can't resist another chance to play with escribe

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[Nailz]

Shouldn't be too long to start getting them looking at facebook

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Shouldn't be too long to start getting them looking at facebook

With all the new 25mm RTA's I've gotten recently I just pre-ordered one as well (should be no overhang). I usually shy away from pre-orders but I couldn't pass up that price. I figured I better jump on quick because I believe they limit the pre-orders to a certain amount then it comes up as sold out. I went with the Red (I have a ton of Black mods so I figured why not try the Red, plus I really like my Blood Red Lavabox).

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Tpat591]

http://evolvapor.com/dna75.php

 

[skt239]

I don't know if anyone caught it but vapnfagan (youtube review guy) did a "quick look" at the VT75 but now it's come down. I tried to share the link and its no longer available. Checked both the mobile and regular site and nothing. Anyone else see it? If not, he gave a pretty detailed overview and I did pay kinda close attention so I there is anything you have wanted to know about, I might have an answer.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

well damn!!! gonna have to wait and see who can shrink a mod down around it

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I don't know if anyone caught it but vapnfagan (youtube review guy) did a "quick look" at the VT75 but now it's come down. I tried to share the link and its no longer available. Checked both the mobile and regular site and nothing. Anyone else see it? If not, he gave a pretty detailed overview and I did pay kinda close attention so I there is anything you have wanted to know about, I might have an answer.

I have a question. Did you notice if the + and - buttons are next to each other (side to side) like on the board (and all my DNA200 mods) or above and below each other like on the pictures?

Thanks,
Steve

 

[Tpat591]

 

[fuseryder]

Your welcome

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[skt239]

I have a question. Did you notice if the + and - buttons are next to each other (side to side) like on the board (and all my DNA200 mods) or above and below each other like on the pictures?

Thanks,
Steve

Button placement is just like it is in the picture.

 

[skt239]

Your welcome

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