ORCHID MODIFICATION THREAD

[pwnby]

Got the tubing in today for a couple new wide JFC chimneys. The last were 8mm ID; these will be almost 10mm ID. (compared in foreground)

Gonna try a different construction this time using an aluminum washer inside the chamber to sandwich the epoxy. That way no epoxy will be exposed to either the juice or the vapor. Will also strengthen the chimney assembly, making it easier to work on.

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Love it. If u have a materials list, post it for us if you don't mind. I need to make one of these badly.

 

[CosmicVapor]

Is their a dripping kit for the v4? If so where do I get it?


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[M5amhan]

I just do a line item cancellation of the things holding up the order. Have never had them split an order. Have you?

no lol if i were to cancel the deck that was one of the main things i needed, everything else besides the scissors were tack on items. ill just wait it out, hopefully i see it by april haha

 

[alex31804]

Is their a dripping kit for the v4? If so where do I get it?


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If you don't have a problem dripping through the tip or removing it to drip I would use a nano glass kit or a bell cap. Drill a Itty bitty hole in the sides to line up with the coil, and leave off the chimney. That's what I've been plotting for a spare base, I would imagine with dual airflow from below and the sides it would have decent flavor.

 

[TheWestPole]

Love it. If u have a materials list, post it for us if you don't mind. I need to make one of these badly.

The three stainless tubes I'm working with are 3/8, 7/16 and 1/2" OD, all with .028" wall thickness. I buy them from either Amazon or Amazon Supply in 12" lengths. The o-rings are all 1/16" thickness Buna N rubber from a readily available assortment pack. Got mine on eBay. Top caps are either Kayfun or Taifun GT depending on the tank. All are from FT.

Will post links to specific parts as soon as I am able.

 

[TheWestPole]

Is their a dripping kit for the v4? If so where do I get it?

If you don't have a problem dripping through the tip or removing it to drip I would use a nano glass kit or a bell cap. Drill a Itty bitty hole in the sides to line up with the coil, and leave off the chimney. That's what I've been plotting for a spare base, I would imagine with dual airflow from below and the sides it would have decent flavor.

I assume one would remove the chimney and use long wicks arranged in the space between the chamber deck and the base of the tank, which forms a ring shaped juice well. Then you would drip mostly down the sides to that wick ring, avoiding the air holes in the deck.

A regular tank and top cap setup might make it easier to arrange the wicks, @alex31804. Haven't tried it myself.

 

[HellB]

Hi guys, i'm new here. Can any of you Orchid pros help me in here?
I've bought a Orchid V3 (small size) can you tell me if i like to change the appearance to a brass look does this tank fit?
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1799703

Can i transform this tank and make it bigger with this 2 parts?
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1987602
https://www.fasttech.com/products/2019803

Thanks in advance.

 

[TheWestPole]

Hi guys, i'm new here. Can any of you Orchid pros help me in here?
I've bought a Orchid V3 (small size) can you tell me if i like to change the appearance to a brass look does this tank fit?
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1799703

Can i transform this tank and make it bigger with this 2 parts?
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1987602
https://www.fasttech.com/products/2019803

Thanks in advance.

Yes, yes and no. The Kayfun nano tank is a direct replacement for your stock tank. The full size Kayfun tank too. The Kayfun chamber however does not fit Orchid threads. One or the other of these is what you need:

https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10009751/1918600-replacement-chimney-for-orchid-v4-rebuildable
https://www.fasttech.com/products/0...acement-chimney-for-orchid-v6-rta-rebuildable

Welcome to the thread.

 

[HellB]

Thank you very much. I've read the all 27 pages and arrived to the same conclusion, learned a lot, with your posts manly.
Just another question this will fit the v3 out of the box:
https://www.fasttech.com/p/1976700
Will it hold more juice?

Thanks man your the Orchid mod master of the all www.

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[TheWestPole]

Thank you very much. I've read the all 27 pages and arrived to the same conclusion, learned a lot, with your posts manly.
Just another question this will fit the v3 out of the box:
https://www.fasttech.com/p/1976700
Will it hold more juice?

Thanks man your the Orchid mod master of the all www.

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Thanks, @HellB.

Yes, the bell cap fits but it's also nano size and holds the same. If you want to get more capacity out of a your tank you can shorten the bottom of the chamber. Orchid V1-3 chimneys are longer than they need to be. You can remove ~4mm and still make a good seal with the top o-ring. (Measure before doing this though. Yours may be a bit shorter. ) My bell caps with chambers shortened 4mm gain ~1 ml to 3 ml total measured. The same would be the case using your stock tank of course.

Here's an example:

I love bell caps. Remember though that Kayfun caps don't have chimney clearance between the o-ring and drip tip. You have to open that up yourself if you use a chimney that has not been shortened. You'll see what I mean.

 

[HellB]

Ok Thanks once again I'll order these parts then a little diy and I'll post with my mechanical mod stingray brass. Now i have to wait 2 or more weeks for the Chinese mail.

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[acv987]

So I got an Orchid V4 to replace my KFL+. so far its awesome. My Kayfun feels like im trying to suck a milkshake through a coffee stirrer now. The only issue i have is filling. If I fill from the top Im losing a small bit of capacity. Filling from the bottom is almost impossible with the chimney blocking the hole. I either send juice out the chimney or add like 3 drops every 10 seconds. I have started reading this thread but dhave you guys/gals came up with a solution? Is there an easier way to fill and or increase capacity?

 

[pwnby]

So I got an Orchid V4 to replace my KFL+. so far its awesome. My Kayfun feels like im trying to suck a milkshake through a coffee stirrer now. The only issue i have is filling. If I fill from the top Im losing a small bit of capacity. Filling from the bottom is almost impossible with the chimney blocking the hole. I either send juice out the chimney or add like 3 drops every 10 seconds. I have started reading this thread but dhave you guys/gals came up with a solution? Is there an easier way to fill and or increase capacity?

Poly center tube off FastTech. You can fill max VG thru the bottom fill screw with ease with it

 

[acv987]

Poly center tube off FastTech. You can fill max VG thru the bottom fill screw with ease with it

Ill check it out!

 

[acv987]

https://www.fasttech.com/products/3023/10009751/2047405-replacement-acrylic-tank-for-orchid-v4-rta
is that what you are referring to?

 

[DoctorIdiot]

https://www.fasttech.com/products/3023/10009751/2047405-replacement-acrylic-tank-for-orchid-v4-rta
is that what you are referring to?

That's the one! There's a seven pack too, but some of the color choices are questionable. Still, I use six of that tank on my six orchids.

And pwnby is correct, that tank 100% fixes the filling problems.

 

[acv987]

That's the one! There's a seven pack too, but some of the color choices are questionable. Still, I use six of that tank on my six orchids.

And pwnby is correct, that tank 100% fixes the filling problems.

Cool ill try to pick one up. This RTA is amazing. There i was perfectly happy with my kayfun thinking there was no reason to ever switch then BAM the orchid v4 is a beast.

 

[pwnby]

https://www.fasttech.com/products/2034904

Polycarbonate if you don't want the acrylic. It says for v6, but fits both a v4 and a kayfun. I bought 3 lol
I personally like the PC over pmma.

Welcome to the new order. The grass is definitely greener over here lol

 

[HellB]

So let' do the maths on this and recap all the lessons learned @TheWestPole without shortening anything.

Orchid v3 keeping the original chimney:
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1976700
Using this Kayfun Bell Cap we alter the looks, maybe resistance to shock and a little tank capacity or none.

https://www.fasttech.com/products/2141906
Using this Replacement Acrylic Tank for Kayfun V4, there's no need to change the chimney and we gain new looks and maybe an extra 1ml juice and 3mm in height. Or not I thought that the v3 tank part was 24,5mm or 25mm but maybe i'm wrong and it's more than 27mm if this is the case this change only alter the look.

https://www.fasttech.com/products/1855604
And with this one maybe we can gain some new look and extra juice since it's larger (23,6mm), again this has 25,8mm in heigt don't know the exact size that the v3 as out of the box.

Orchid v3 with the v4 chimney:
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1918600
https://www.fasttech.com/products/2047404
Using this 2 parts we change the looks, tank capacity to 4ml and grow almost 10mm in size.

Am I right with my thoughts? And is this the cheaper way to have 3 different Orchid types?

 

[TheWestPole]

So let' do the maths on this and recap all the lessons learned @TheWestPole without shortening anything.

Orchid v3 keeping the original chimney:
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1976700
Using this Kayfun Bell Cap we alter the looks, maybe resistance to shock and a little tank capacity or none.

https://www.fasttech.com/products/2141906
Using this Replacement Acrylic Tank for Kayfun V4, there's no need to change the chimney and we gain new looks and maybe an extra 1ml juice and 3mm in height. Or not I thought that the v3 tank part was 24,5mm or 25mm but maybe i'm wrong and it's more than 27mm if this is the case this change only alter the look.

https://www.fasttech.com/products/1855604
And with this one maybe we can gain some new look and extra juice since it's larger (23,6mm), again this has 25,8mm in heigt don't know the exact size that the v3 as out of the box.

Orchid v3 with the v4 chimney:
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1918600
https://www.fasttech.com/products/2047404
Using this 2 parts we change the looks, tank capacity to 4ml and grow almost 10mm in size.

Am I right with my thoughts? And is this the cheaper way to have 3 different Orchid types?

Yes, you got it, except forget this tank IMO.



You gain nothing. The bigger OD does not translate to greater capacity. The ID is the same. The Kayfun V4 tank is a better choice to get ~3/4 ml more capacity with the stock chimney.

 

[HellB]

Thanks man I'm waiting for my orchid and checking for improvements to order when it arrives. The size of the v3 without drip tip 41.4mm so what's the original tank size?

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[TheWestPole]

Thanks man I'm waiting for my orchid and checking for improvements to order when it arrives. The size of the v3 without drip tip 41.4mm so what's the original tank size?

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V1-V3 tanks, which correspond to Kayfun nano size, are 25mm +/- 1mm in length.
V4-V6 tanks, which correspond to Kayfun regular size, are 34mm in length.

I didn't realize you haven't got yours yet. Got a link to the specific model?

 

[HellB]

V1-V3 tanks, which correspond to Kayfun nano size, are 25mm +/- 1mm in length.
V4-V6 tanks, which correspond to Kayfun regular size, are 34mm in length.

I didn't realize you haven't got yours yet. Got a link to the specific model?

https://www.fasttech.com/p/1861400

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[TheWestPole]

https://www.fasttech.com/p/1861400

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I don't have that model, or any V3s for that matter. The tank looks 24mm long, three 8mm sections. I don't like the looks of the chimney. Do not shorten it. What I said earlier about the chimney being longer than it needs does not apply to the one shown here. Also, for the same reason, this chimney is not long enough to work with Kayfun V4 tanks.

With this sectioned tank you'll to be lucky to get 2ml into it. Ditto for the Kayfun bell cap. That is very little for a thirsty Orchid.

I suggest you go ahead with the extra 34mm tank and V4 or V6 chimney to match it.

 

[HellB]

Thanks once again. All the V3 on fasttech have the same chimney, don't know the actual size maybe 22mm, the v4 has 32mm but they have another one:
https://www.fasttech.com/products/3023/10009751/1855602
This one only says Orchid Chimney and it's 28mm, think it's from v3.5. Going to wait for the RBA arrives then mesure it. But i'm going to buy both chimneys.

https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10009514/2070401-orchid-v3-styled-rta-rebuildable-tank-atomizer
In this one you can see the bell cap fits and they stated that the chimney has 22,1mm.

 

[M5amhan]

Thanks once again. All the V3 on fasttech have the same chimney, don't know the actual size maybe 22mm, the v4 has 32mm but they have another one:
https://www.fasttech.com/products/3023/10009751/1855602
This one only says Orchid Chimney and it's 28mm, think it's from v3.5. Going to wait for the RBA arrives then mesure it. But i'm going to buy both chimneys.

that one is from the orchid v1/v2 but it will fit v3 size tanks i believe

 

[M5amhan]

also like westpole said the v3 doesnt hold much at all, i can literally vape a tank in like 20 minutes mildly chain vaping, which is why the kayfun v4 fitting the deck changed my entire experience

 

[TheWestPole]

I'm with @M5amhan on both points here.

The pic here https://www.fasttech.com/products/3023/10009751/1855602 shows a V1-2. That is the one that will let you use the 27mm Kayfun V4 tank. However, if you're going to get it you might consider the 30mm Taifun GT Nano tank. More juice and still fits that chimney. The tank OD is 23mm though.

Otherwise I stand by the 34mm recommendation.

 

[HellB]

Yes @TheWestPole the Taifun sounds good but the 23mm wide maybe don't fit, there some reviews on FT that guys use this on v3:
https://www.fasttech.com/products/0...lacement-pc-colored-nano-tank-for-taifun-gt-7
I think first I'll buy the v1v2 chimney the bel cap and the KF4 27mm tank. I'm not an heavy vapour guy, don't need a big tank, the reason that i bought the v3 it's because of it's size.

 

[TheWestPole]

Yes @TheWestPole the Taifun sounds good but the 23mm wide maybe don't fit, there some reviews on FT that guys use this on v3:
https://www.fasttech.com/products/0...lacement-pc-colored-nano-tank-for-taifun-gt-7
I think first I'll buy the v1v2 chimney the bel cap and the KF4 27mm tank. I'm not an heavy vapour guy, don't need a big tank, the reason that i bought the v3 it's because of it's size.

Cool. Stuff at FT is so cheap I tend to buy a lot of extra components to try out. Taifun GT Nano has been my standard for small tanks, though I use Kayfun bell caps with a shortened V1-2 chamber all the time. Just love the one piece look.

Enjoy.

 

[MirkoGradski]

Look at this.

I feel like this shouldn't be like this after a weeks use. Thoughts? Anyone?

Maybe I'm just being dramatic. I've never seen it like this.

 

[Wabah58]

Look at this.

I feel like this shouldn't be like this after a weeks use. Thoughts? Anyone?

Maybe I'm just being dramatic. I've never seen it like this.

My coils will get like that in a week with dark juices. Tobacco flavors really gunk them up too.

 

[TheWestPole]

Look at this.

I feel like this shouldn't be like this after a weeks use. Thoughts? Anyone?

Maybe I'm just being dramatic. I've never seen it like this.

Those wires are heavy gauge and I'm wondering if you're pushing the wattage a bit. Looks like some burning. Otherwise I would chalk it up to the kind of juice and the fact that Orchids push so damn much of it. Rewicking and burning off coils weekly is not out of whack for certain juices.

 

[cindycated]

I went nuts with too much tension once and got something like that. Also, I've been getting less gunking with spaced coils with smaller diameters (down to 2mm diameter coils now) - I think the wick in my fatter coils may have been overfeeding the coils, then the excess (unvaped) liquid just sits there and gets burned up into crud.

 

[KeyserSoze]

The key is vacuum in the tank, which means being aware of the juice channel openings where the chimney meets the base. If even one is left uncovered by the juice in the tank the tank can lose its vacuum. Once the vacuum is lost the juice can seep out any available opening, air holes at the bottom or drip tip at the top.

Think of three basic positions:

Upright. Vacuum is maintained and the juice doesn't seep freely into the chamber. I carry my Orchids around in my shirt pocket to keep them in this position and have no problems.

Upside down. This is the safest for storage. The tank loses its vacuum but the juice has nowhere to go. Make sure you vape it when you turn it righside up again to build the vacuum. Otherwise it can leak.

Sideways. Worst position. Vacuum is lost as a juice channel opening is uncovered, at which point juice can seep to an open air hole in the deck and out the side. You can lose almost an entire tank of juice this way.​

This is true of all attys of this type, with the degree of leaking risk depending on your juice thickness and wicking style. I have had an Erlkonigin empty an whole tank of juice into my computer bag in less than an hour.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for your ever-helpful posts TheWestPole. The next time the Orchid leaves the house she'll be upside down.

 

[TheWestPole]

Thanks for your ever-helpful posts TheWestPole. The next time the Orchid leaves the house she'll be upside down.

Hope it helps. Never actually do it myself.

 

[Rommel]

One thing i learned the hard way is to never, ever bring a full tank with you to the airplane when it takes off. Just trust me with this.

 

[TheWestPole]

Got the tubing in today for a couple new wide JFC chimneys. The last were 8mm ID; these will be almost 10mm ID. (compared in foreground)

Gonna try a different construction this time using an aluminum washer inside the chamber to sandwich the epoxy. That way no epoxy will be exposed to either the juice or the vapor. Will also strengthen the chimney assembly, making it easier to work on.

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Change of plan. Ordered 1/2" OD tubing and will do that first. I realized with that size I could fit a 3/32" thick o-ring without having to drill a gland for it. The area inside the thread ring of the top cap should be just the right diameter and depth. Hope it works. Will be easier and cheaper to adapt the top cap that way.

Came in today (far right).

 

[TheWestPole]

Okay, I have to admit it. I'm jonesing for new Orchid models. It's nearly two months since this one came out.

C'mon Shenzhen, Dongguan, Guangzhou, whatever. You know what you have to do, don't you?

 

[Authentic Mods]

Why am I reposting this Billow RTA on this thread? Take a look.

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http://www.eciggity.com/billow-rta-by-ehpro-eciggity/

Nice

It looks like the white area at the base of the deck is a big gasket / modified O-ring that should hold the pyrex tube in place and create a seal to prevent leaking at this area. I'm correct, this would allow one to simply dump juice from the top without needing to use the bottom fill screw.

Kind of like with the Smoktech RSBT (you can see the thin O-ring on the bottom assembly below) ...

Nice avatar

Orchid V4 with OSO style drip tip

Nice

Stupid Bad Seals...

Ha

 

[InMyImage]

Hey guys. I know that some of you got Kayfun v4's and were less than thrilled with them.

I have 2 Tobeco Orchid v4's that I have decided to part with. They have barely been used because I don't care for the amount of airflow and really prefer my Kayfun v4 and KFL+v2's so the Orchids have only had a couple of tanks run through them and I've been using the allen head screws so the phillips heads are pretty much untouched.

I also have a couple of quartz nano kits for them that have not been used or put together.

Let me know if one of you wants to trade. I'll put them up for the rest of the community probably Friday or Saturday.

PM me if you are interested.

 

[DoctorIdiot]

Ha

Wow, you made an awful lot of content-free posts in a very short time. Somebody needed to get to the link-posting threshold, methinks...



By the way, anyone else think it's a bit fishy/hilarious that someone whose motto is "Authentic Mods, NO CLONES" is posting in a thread that is 100% about a clone atomizer that is in every single way better than the "authentic" atomizer whose only accomplishment was to inspire the brilliant cloners to make more and more fantastic versions of the device?

I'm sure you are long gone since you got your requisite "posts" to hit the threshold that'll allow you to go post spammy links elsewhere, but if you just happen to actually come back to this thread, you really should READ it so you can find out just how foolish your "NO CLONES" stance looks to us and anyone else with eyes to see.

I'm not "against" authentics by any means, as taking such a foolishly dogmatic approach in that direction is just as silly and ridiculous as taking a dogmatic approach in the OTHER direction. but i am highly amused that such a person would pick such a dramatically inappropriate thread to sprinkle with their meaningless replies.

ah well, carry on all

by the way, westy, i'll have a head-to-head comparison of the goblin vs my CLONED (gasp) orchids pretty soon. i just need one more weekend with my babies...

 

[TheWestPole]

Hey guys. I know that some of you got Kayfun v4's and were less than thrilled with them.

I have 2 Tobeco Orchid v4's that I have decided to part with. They have barely been used because I don't care for the amount of airflow and really prefer my Kayfun v4 and KFL+v2's so the Orchids have only had a couple of tanks run through them and I've been using the allen head screws so the phillips heads are pretty much untouched.

I also have a couple of quartz nano kits for them that have not been used or put together.

Let me know if one of you wants to trade. I'll put them up for the rest of the community probably Friday or Saturday.

PM me if you are interested.

Sorry, IMI. I've retired my Kayfuns and never took the V4 plunge. Good luck though.

 

[TheWestPole]

Wow, you made an awful lot of content-free posts in a very short time. Somebody needed to get to the link-posting threshold, methinks...



By the way, anyone else think it's a bit fishy/hilarious that someone whose motto is "Authentic Mods, NO CLONES" is posting in a thread that is 100% about a clone atomizer that is in every single way better than the "authentic" atomizer whose only accomplishment was to inspire the brilliant cloners to make more and more fantastic versions of the device?

I'm sure you are long gone since you got your requisite "posts" to hit the threshold that'll allow you to go post spammy links elsewhere, but if you just happen to actually come back to this thread, you really should READ it so you can find out just how foolish your "NO CLONES" stance looks to us and anyone else with eyes to see.

I'm not "against" authentics by any means, as taking such a foolishly dogmatic approach in that direction is just as silly and ridiculous as taking a dogmatic approach in the OTHER direction. but i am highly amused that such a person would pick such a dramatically inappropriate thread to sprinkle with their meaningless replies.

ah well, carry on all

by the way, westy, i'll have a head-to-head comparison of the goblin vs my CLONED (gasp) orchids pretty soon. i just need one more weekend with my babies...

Good points, Doc.

I love that the Orchid market is truly post-clone and progressive, so much so that it has inspired neo-authentic competition . I just want all of them to keep up the pace of improvement and variation. Not that I'm actually waiting for them to do what I can do for myself.

Look forward to the Goblin comparison.

 

[DoctorIdiot]

Sorry, IMI. I've retired my Kayfuns and never took the V4 plunge. Good luck though.

I gave my wife all my kayfun lites, but I did get one v4 just to try it. She hated the more complicated filling/juice control aspect of it, but I actually use it as my "in the office" semi-stealthy vape. it's got more airflow than the KFL+, but I can still pretty easily vape a tankful during a work day without ever blowing obnoxious clouds. It's sitting here on my smok Groove II, comforting me between meetings.

of course, my m80 is sitting in my car with two orchids and a goblin, waiting for me to go take a stroll...

 

[TheWestPole]

Okay, they finally cloned the Kayfun long m-tank. Good news considering it was previously way overpriced and hard to get.

New on FT.



https://www.fasttech.com/products/1...fun-v3-0-styled-rta-rebuildable-tank-atomizer



Of course I'm only interested in the tank. It's specified at 48mm, which is a nice bump up from the 40mm Taifun GT regular tanks I use all the time. Now, as soon as they offer it a la carte a 5 pack will go in the cart.

I may not wait though. For this price getting the tank and usable top cap for a 1/2" chimney Orchid is pretty tempting.

 

[HellB]

Okay, I have to admit it. I'm jonesing for new Orchid models. It's nearly two months since this last one came out.

C'mon Shenzhen, Dongguan, Guangzhou, whatever. You know what you have to do, don't you?

What the ... is this? Large Juice consumer?
I've seen that logo before, this Mini doesn't add nothing.
http://www.vapordna.com/Project-Sub-Ohm-Orchid-RBA-Atomizer-by-Aethertech-p/or0001.htm

 

[TheWestPole]

Okay, they finally cloned the Kayfun long m-tank. Good news considering it was previously way overpriced and hard to get.

New on FT.

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https://www.fasttech.com/products/1...fun-v3-0-styled-rta-rebuildable-tank-atomizer

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Of course I'm only interested in the tank. It's specified at 48mm, which is a nice bump up from the 40mm Taifun GT regular tanks I use all the time. Now, as soon as they offer it a la carte a 5 pack will go in the cart.

I may not wait though. For this price getting the tank and usable top cap for a 1/2" chimney Orchid is pretty tempting.

Ordered it. I have no shame when it comes to Orchid ambitions.

 

[InMyImage]

Ordered it. I have no shame when it comes to Orchid ambitions.

I'm just curious if you leave anything you buy stock

 

[TheWestPole]

New: Silverplay clone pre-order on FT.



Obviously no samples yet, because they are using photos of the authentic. I would like see photos of the actual clone before adding this to my Orchid/Taifun/Kayfun parts bin.

Remember, Silverplay designers put as much compatibility into this as they could. You could use just the base/deck and build up from there with compatible pieces. That would give you external AFC with airflow and juice channel improvements over the stock Orchid. Most importantly to compatibility is the M20 x .5 tank threading on the base. Secondly, I believe the chamber threading to the base is also Orchid compatible at M14 x .5, though I have not confirmed this yet. The threading of the chamber to the chimney is Kayfun compatible at M12 x .5. This means the tank size can be increased in all the ways we have been using, except with the addition of new screw-on Kayfun chimney choices. Top caps choices will be equally open and familiar to us. The Silverplay chimney to top cap threading is not compatible however.

I prefer full time wide open airflow, so the external AFC doesn't mean much to me. The JFC on my recent Orchids allows me to dial in the taste without compromising the airflow. However, those of you who want the ability to adjust the vape to taste might appreciate the external AFC feature. It's the traditional way to accomplish that.