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Yeah, that's definately one reason why I tend to shy away from swivels. But honestly, I've kind of grown fond of free-handing simpler types of wire. It's more satisfying, somehow.

Don't get me wrong, though. I use swivels when I have to. You just reminded me that I need to upgrade them hehe. Goes to show how rarely I use them.
What kind of craziness do you create without swivels because swivels and I are currently at war and for me it's easier when I feed the higher gauge with my fingers so I'm really just wondering what you can do without them because once I have an idea of what can be done I usually can work it out. I just thought they where kind of a needed thing. I hate them


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I can't remember what size my swivels are, but the ones I picked up are way oversized for what we are doing. Got them for that reason. Bigger swivel will dissipate the heat better. That and the eyelets are huge... easy to thread lots of wire through.

I used to like to freehand, but once I started using good swivels, I won't go back to freehand unless I have no choice. The speed I can pull a solid wrap off is night and day difference when I use swivels. I see the difference in skill set when I see the folks on YouTube videos bust a FC out freehand faster than I can thread the swivel eyelet! HAH

I just have better control and consistent results since going to swivels. So that is just how I roll now.
 

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Personally, I can see absolutely no reason not to use swivels.

If I were to drive a car to work, and the only option were bumpy roads and slow speed limits, then fine. That's what I would do. But if there were a commuter train depot right next to my house, and I could get to work in less than half the time, without the hassles of driving, the choice is obvious. To say that I get a sense of accomplishment or personal satisfaction from driving myself would be a moot point.
 

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No no thank you.

It seems everyone does it differently I just have to find a way that works. Squidoode's video showed just using 3 pieces and threading it halfway through the swivel, making 6 ribbon wires all pinched at the swivel hook.

That's what I've been trying, but might try something different today. I think using 6 smaller strands of ribbon would be easier to manage... Maybe...

I think when you use long pieces of the ribbon they tend to bend and curl on themselves.

Another issue I have is that when I apply pressure with my hands on the stakced wire if I happen to let them go, they curl up like, well like ribbon on a Christmas present...

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i'll see if i can put a quick vid or a slide show together, i think my thoughts got muddled in translation.
 

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Redid the Fraples on the TM² as one of them touched the outer barrel and melted a wrap.....Same shit different day.
This time is used 5 x .6 Ribbon/24N80/38KD (7 Wraps/3mm ID), I need to buy more Ribbon...
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i'll see if i can put a quick vid or a slide show together, i think my thoughts got muddled in translation.
i watched that video (it's been awhile), and i will most deff be posting some thing for you guys, later today.
@BrettVapes: i got you covered dude. don't cut that ribbon yet!! lol
 

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My TM2 just got here... making some staples for it now!

Did anyone get an email that their Goon RDA shipped out yet?

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Nope was just going to ask you if you got anything on that...Nothing on their facebook or IG about it either...
 

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Nope was just going to ask you if you got anything on that...Nothing on their facebook or IG about it either...
I hope they aren't going to push the date back again.... you ordered the SS one?

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Personally, I can see absolutely no reason not to use swivels.

If I were to drive a car to work, and the only option were bumpy roads and slow speed limits, then fine. That's what I would do. But if there were a commuter train depot right next to my house, and I could get to work in less than half the time, without the hassles of driving, the choice is obvious. To say that I get a sense of accomplishment or personal satisfaction from driving myself would be a moot point.
agreed. if you can do it that way, i tip my hat to you, because i can't. me; the easier the better :p
 

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Some beautiful builds you all make. One day I hope to make some pretty vape porn like in this post. Once I get a cordless drill, the Dremel I have is not the best for control.
I've only started building again about 5-6 weeks ago and I'm already making decent coils. Just don't get detoured when you make a mistake, push threw and keep going. It really just takes patience, and as corny as it sounds, the will to to make them. I tried posting some pictures of my builds to show you where you can get in such a short time. But for some reason tapatalk is experiencing issues right now. Will post in a little while

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i watched that video (it's been awhile), and i will most deff be posting some thing for you guys, later today.
@BrettVapes: i got you covered dude. don't cut that ribbon yet!! lol

well here it is. it's a real rough vid, but in the end, i think i was able to explain it better this way than the ramble i posted earlier, lol
 

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I hope they aren't going to push the date back again.... you ordered the SS one?

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I ordered a Brass version which was supposed to ship out today, the SS was supposed to be last week and then this week...
 

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Some beautiful builds you all make. One day I hope to make some pretty vape porn like in this post. Once I get a cordless drill, the Dremel I have is not the best for control.
Lol Chef makes my coils, I just use all his throwaways and it just makes me look that much better ;)
 

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I've only started building again about 5-6 weeks ago and I'm already making decent coils. Just don't get detoured when you make a mistake, push threw and keep going. It really just takes patience, and as corny as it sounds, the will to to make them. I tried posting some pictures of my builds to show you where you can get in such a short time. But for some reason tapatalk is experiencing issues right now. Will post in a little while

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this is a great little group here. i've seen it help more then one builder go from simple coils, to Claptons, and beyond.
 

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I LOVE using swivels...you guys just dont have a nice super heavy duty set...
Can you show me what you use I have two different kinds I only use one and link them with jump rings at first I got cheap ones but then got better ones maybe it's not technically the swivels it's more the fact I go so fast with the swivels I can't see as good as when I feed it with my nails like when I make a normal Clapton. It probably doesn't help the roll of the 37gauge is huge and it's hard for me to get a rhythm down that works. When I'm working with normal size spools it's not that much of an issue but this SS has me thinking I need to create something to keep the roll at a 90degree angle from the core wires and put the needed tension on the roll. All I'd need is a rod to go threw the center of the spool and something to keep it up so with my free hand I could feed it like I do with the reg Clapton. I need to brainstorm


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Can you show me what you use I have two different kinds I only use one and link them with jump rings at first I got cheap ones but then got better ones maybe it's not technically the swivels it's more the fact I go so fast with the swivels I can't see as good as when I feed it with my nails like when I make a normal Clapton. It probably doesn't help the roll of the 37gauge is huge and it's hard for me to get a rhythm down that works. When I'm working with normal size spools it's not that much of an issue but this SS has me thinking I need to create something to keep the roll at a 90degree angle from the core wires and put the needed tension on the roll. All I'd need is a rod to go threw the center of the spool and something to keep it up so with my free hand I could feed it like I do with the reg Clapton. I need to brainstorm


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Nothing Special...
I hold the spool down by my knee when Im sitting down...
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Yeah, but some people might not understand that. Not everyone shares the same sense of humor that you and I have.
True, excuse my loss of Grey Matter ;), I think it was the bag of paint chips I was eating earlier...They just taste too damn good!
 

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It's the salt. Makes everything taste better.
 

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Idk if this is widely known or not but I was just playing around with the RX200 and found something that wasn't in the manual... When the device is off, press the fire button and the down button and it will display each battery level by volts (I believe that's what its displaying). Again, I dint know if this function is know to all, or If I just stumbled on it....but its a pretty cool feature since when the device is on it only shows a little digital battery meter and not an exact %.

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This feature isn't entirely accurate. Mine shows 4.16 4.26 4.11 but when I check the batteris with a Fluke multimeter, they all three show 4.17x (don't remember the thousandths place).
 

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I ordered a Brass version which was supposed to ship out today, the SS was supposed to be last week and then this week...
I spoke to someone there 2 days ago and he told me that the brass and copper were sending out next week

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I spoke to someone there 2 days ago and he told me that the brass and copper were sending out next week

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Today is the 21st...thats what was written on the FB...This is getting aggravating, they keep sending out free RDA's but cant provide them to paying customers on time...
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Today is the 21st...thats what was written on the FB...This is getting aggravating, they keep sending out free RDA's but cant provide them to paying customers on time...
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I just sent them an email ... I'll let you know what they say

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well here it is. it's a real rough vid, but in the end, i think i was able to explain it better this way than the ramble i posted earlier, lol
I gotta say thank you a million times for that! Wow! Really put made things clear that weren't for me with this ribbon wire. I really appreciate the video! I'll try again now and report back, thank you!!!!!

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They just responded to my email
I said is my order not shipping out today?

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No it's not orders are being shipped in order received you will get tracking info once labels have been created

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Back to basics tonight.
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28/34 clapton 12 wraps 3mm id 1.8 ohms. Got it in an avocado rta. Thing doesnt really like subohm but god its just flavor.

Ive got a building itch lately and now its fun trying to get shit tiny as hell and 1ohm plus.
 

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Back to basics tonight.
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28/34 clapton 12 wraps 3mm id 1.8 ohms. Got it in an avocado rta. Thing doesnt really like subohm but god its just flavor.

Ive got a building itch lately and now its fun trying to get shit tiny as hell and 1ohm plus.
I got a dual fused Clapton sitting jn my Griffin right now.... 2x 28KA1/38KD 12 wraps w/ 3mm ID .86ohm - Series build. I love it!

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Im absolutly loving this avocado. The velocity style deck is great for it and the style is nice. Just everything abiut hownits set up is great.

And on the back to basics, now something alittle more nuts. Im having alot of troubke keeping framed builds tight and flat so i decided to just play with keeping shit flat. Technically just a multi core clapton but still a great learning experiance and once i get it all figured out in my velocity, im sure it will be a great vape.

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For the recourd im still having alot of trouble keeping things flat. Any tips? Ive tried wire and masking tape and nothing seams to really work for me. Out of ideas on thisnone
 

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I am just glad to get to this point...
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Got my framed staple prepped. Gonna relax and take a long break because it took me literally hours to get it right. Again, still a total bitch. But I'm sure after a few goes at it I'll have it down decent enough.

It wouldn't have happened this fast without your video, which I really really appreciate. Went above and beyond to help a guy out which is amazing.

Gonna wrap it up with some 38 later tonight and if all goes well I'll have a framed staple under the belt.

Not even sure what I'll put it in if I do, or what device because I don't have a mech mod :/ steam shows it would be a .08 dual at 5 I think.

Then again, sort of cart before horse...

Thanks again Poppa

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Im absolutly loving this avocado. The velocity style deck is great for it and the style is nice. Just everything abiut hownits set up is great.

And on the back to basics, now something alittle more nuts. Im having alot of troubke keeping framed builds tight and flat so i decided to just play with keeping shit flat. Technically just a multi core clapton but still a great learning experiance and once i get it all figured out in my velocity, im sure it will be a great vape.

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i'd say that wrapping 3cores with a straight up clapton is harder than making an alien, why not just wrap a clapton on a bigger diameter wire then squeeze the 3wires in and hammer flat?
 

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I can freehand claptons and multicore. (Its how i learned) but ince you go swivle you dont go back :D
for me i dont have a space set up just for building so i just do whatever is quickest, im sure the learning how to do aliens without swivels will stand me in good stead ;)
 

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i'd say that wrapping 3cores with a straight up clapton is harder than making an alien, why not just wrap a clapton on a bigger diameter wire then squeeze the 3wires in and hammer flat?
Its 24x3 for the core..... im runnin super low on core wire. All i have left anymore is 22 and 24. I got a feeling im gunna spend a chunk of change on wire next payday
 

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The whole swivel vs non swivel is just preference...

At least that's how I look at it. However you prefer to build is the right way for you..

Swivels just make it so easy! Love em.

Matt

i wasnt saying one is better than the other, i use both ways,i saw you guys saying about freehanding so i thought i'd blow my trumpet :D its always good to learn every which way
 

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Oh I know!! All good!!

Hey guys also would like opinions... Looking around for a cheap mech box...

3fVape has a couple I'd be interested in for a damned good price... Anyone have either one, and can speak to the quality?

And also 3fVape I've never purchased from them, though I see others here have. Is it a good experience, buying from them?

http://www.3fvape.com/mechanical-mo...d-aluminum-copper-2-x-18650.html#.VvCv-3NlDqA


http://www.3fvape.com/mechanical-mo...d-aluminum-copper-2-x-18650.html#.VvCv-3NlDqA


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Its 24x3 for the core..... im runnin super low on core wire. All i have left anymore is 22 and 24. I got a feeling im gunna spend a chunk of change on wire next payday
we all do ever payday.

the dog is starving right now because i'm eating his kibble. he tried going for the bowl once,,,,, and only once. he's waiting for payday too. lol
 

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Until I struggled with aliens I free handed single core claptons, FC's every time. I loved it, a bit more personal with the builds when you free hand it... But it's awful nice to be able to throw one end of the cores in a chuck and the other in some swivels and just go full bore at it...
See that's thing, I go max RPM and torque right from the start... ...I'm not bragging or anything, but I've been doing my claptons and fused claptons that way for a long time, so it's kind of "lock-in and vroom vroom!" for me at this point. I stopped watching my hands about a year ago. I can feel when it's going to slip about a half-inch before it gets there. That gives me more than enough time to let off the trigger a smidge for a split second, feel it catch, and then we're wrapping at full power again. And that's very, very rare.

Point is, it doesn't feel particularly arduous for me. Both techniques are about as easy for me, so when I can, I choose the one I enjoy more. Multi-wire coiling is supposed to be fun, right?

Definitely needed for things like the alien. Though I can see framed staples being done without swivels.
Absolutely. It can be done. I think it's much easier with swivels though... ...easier on the hands at least. You better have spent some time with a shovel if you want to try freehanding them lol.

What kind of craziness do you create without swivels because swivels and I are currently at war and for me it's easier when I feed the higher gauge with my fingers so I'm really just wondering what you can do without them because once I have an idea of what can be done I usually can work it out. I just thought they where kind of a needed thing. I hate them
Not much... ...I'm more into simple builds. I put together a trick build every now and again, but my mainstays are the forerunners in the clapton family. I just like them best. Like, if I'm going to do a build that just needs to work tomorrow before bed that I can keep in for weeks if I want, it's always going to be a standard or fused clapton. I've tried a lot for novelty's sake, but that's what I always come back to, so that's what I do the most of. But if that's not the case for you, you'd best learn to get along with them!

I LOVE using swivels...you guys just dont have a nice super heavy duty set...
Haha, like I said, I'd probably use them more if I had good ones. No doubt, man! Still probably not very often, though... ...only when necessary. I'm set in my ways like an old man. I've been stubbornly doing things the hard way my whole life.

Personally, I can see absolutely no reason not to use swivels.
If I were to drive a car to work, and the only option were bumpy roads and slow speed limits, then fine. That's what I would do. But if there were a commuter train depot right next to my house, and I could get to work in less than half the time, without the hassles of driving, the choice is obvious. To say that I get a sense of accomplishment or personal satisfaction from driving myself would be a moot point.
Haha, I'm the type to occasionally ride my bike to work. Almost 8 miles, man. If I wake up feeling good in the morning and I just wanna ride, then I'll leave the car at home. I've noticed that by the time I get to work, my senses/mind are sharper and my body just has this inertia to it. Gets you going in ways the standard commute doesn't. Sometimes it's good for the body, mind, and spirit to face little challenges throughout your day... ...if you're up for it. Keeps you from stagnating.

Sometimes, I'll start a wire-making sesh with freehand and as I start getting into it, I start thinking up stuff I can't freehand, and that's what makes me break out the swiv's. Gets the inspiration juices flowing sometimes. I never think to do things I need swivels for otherwise, save for the occasional coilporn.

But that's beside the point. You guys and your swivels. Never woulda thought this would provoke such a response. Fuckin swivelers. I get it, man! :rolleyes:
 
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I used to free hand every thing. But i stsrted useing swivles for everything. Even basic claptons. When i free hand i just leave the spool on the table but with my lack of spool tammers, the spools unrsvle and tangle and i loose wire to it. But when im useing swivles, i wrap with the spool and keep tension on it and it keeps my spools tangle free and no lost wire. thats probably the only reason i use swivles as much as i do. But if i get spool tamers ill probably free hand simple shit if im just bustin out a quick build.
 

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